Munazrah of Maulana Ameen Safdar Okarvi (RA)

[bokhari]

As-Salamu 'Alaikum Warahmatullahe Wabarakatuhu,

Brothers and sisters,

Can anybody tell me from where I can buy the Munazrahs (CD/VCD) of Maulana Ameen Safdar Okarvi (RA) in Rawalpindi/Islamabad. I have listened his beyanaat (audio) and read his Majmu-e-Rasaail and interested to see his Munazrahs with Deviant sects.

Jaza'kallah.

WasSalaam
Muslim Brother.

[Shaykh]

As-Salamu 'Alaikum Warahmatullahe Wabarakatuhu,

Brothers and sisters,

Can anybody tell me from where I can buy the Munazrahs (CD/VCD) of Maulana Ameen Safdar Okarvi (RA) in Rawalpindi/Islamabad. I have listened his beyanaat (audio) and read his Majmu-e-Rasaail and interested to see his Munazrahs with Deviant sects.

Jaza'kallah.

WasSalaam
Muslim Brother.

Assalam U Aalaikum

In case you do find some, kindly let me know. Can you also tell me about where did you get his bayans etc.

Wassalam

Shaykh

[bokhari]

As-Salamu 'Alaikum,

Brother Shaykh, you can download his lectures from http://www.ahnaf.org/ website. Just go to the Audio section and browse through the very useful lectures by Maulana Ameen Safdar Okarvi (RA) and Maulana Abu Bilal Ismaeel Muhammadi (HA).

WasSalaam,
Bokhari.

[Shaykh]

Assalam U Aalaikum

Dear Brother Bokhari

Jazakallah for the link...also where are you from...probably in Pakistan...???

Wassalam

Shaykh

[bokhari]

As-Salamu 'Alaikum,

Yes brother, I am from Pakistan.

WasSalam.

[Muawiyah]

try Maktabah Dar ul `Ilm 699 Aabparah, i've seen it advertised on some Islamic books

[Aamir]

Brothers.... ive heard a number of his debates on audio cassette

Maulana Amin Okarvi (deobandi)

VS

Maulana Saeed Asad (Barelwi) - Noor/bashar



Maulana Amin Okarvi (deobandi)

VS

Maulana Saeed Asad (Barelwi) - Ilm-Ghaiyb



Maulana Amin Okarvi (deobandi)

VS

Maulana Saeed Asad (Barelwi) - Gustakh Kaun


Maulana Amin Okarvi (deobandi)

VS

Maulana Yunus Nomani (deobandi-mamaati) - Hayat un nabi



If i remember correctly i think a place in the north of England by the name of Leeds Islamic Cassette Centre used to sell them....

[tazkiyyah]

who wins?

[Aamir]

How long's apeice of string ...lol

Respected brother as is normally the case in these munazarah's - one side will give daleel from quran n sunnah n hanfi fiqh proving ther viewpoint, the next guy will then do exactly the same trying to prove his point....

rarely do we see clearcut refutations.... instead its just counterclaims.... although alhamdulillah Maulana Amin (RA) stand up well to maulana saeed asad... - if a brelwi brotehr heard it he would say 'saeed asad clearly won' but if a deobandi brother heard it he would say in favour of maulna amin..... Allahu alam

[navman35]

ther is a tareekhe manazarah by master imeen safdar okarvi (r.a) with the ahle hadith famous scholar known as shaikh ul arbe wal ajam moulane shah badi udeen sindi al rashdi also known as the salfi peer (peer chanda) he was a very well know scholar
master ameen became famous after debating him,it was a five hour munazarah on five deferent issues.it is on audio.i've heard the only one part which is on taqleed.i was after the rest.i was wondering if anybody has the rest parts

[Aamir]

^^^ Bro is it available on-line anywhere?

[Aamir]

SUBANHALLAH .... FOUND IT ... ABOUT HALF WAY DOWN THE PAGE

LECTURES (http://ahnaf.com/downloads/pafiledb.php?action=category&id=7)

INFACT I HIGHLY RECOMEND YOU CHECK OUT SOME OF THE OTHER LECTURERS TOO..

[bokhari]

AsSalamu 'Alaikum brothers,

You can download quite a few lectures of Sheikh Ameen Safdar (Rahimaullah) from www.ahnaf.com

WasSalaam.

[navman35]

SUBANHALLAH .... FOUND IT ... ABOUT HALF WAY DOWN THE PAGE

LECTURES (http://ahnaf.com/downloads/pafiledb.php?action=category&id=7)

INFACT I HIGHLY RECOMEND YOU CHECK OUT SOME OF THE OTHER LECTURERS TOO..
jazakallah bro. thats what i was looking for,but i dnt think its complete is it?

[Aamir]

No probs bro... each part is 1 hour 30 minutes abns there are 4 parts which makes it 6 hours. so im assumng it is th efull version... ive not listened to it all myself yet...

Does anyone have more info on mUlana Ameen (ra) when did he pass away, cos he seemd like he was one of th etop deobandi munazirs of his time

[Abu Suliman]

No probs bro... each part is 1 hour 30 minutes abns there are 4 parts which makes it 6 hours. so im assumng it is th efull version... ive not listened to it all myself yet...

Does anyone have more info on mUlana Ameen (ra) when did he pass away, cos he seemd like he was one of th etop deobandi munazirs of his time

i also heard he was a ghair muqqalid before is that true?

[Aamir]

Yeah thats true.... his lecture about why he became hanfi is quite good.... i think he became student of Shaikh ul haidth manulana sarfraz khan safdar db if im not mistaken.

[navman35]

No probs bro... each part is 1 hour 30 minutes abns there are 4 parts which makes it 6 hours. so im assumng it is th efull version... ive not listened to it all myself yet...

Does anyone have more info on mUlana Ameen (ra) when did he pass away, cos he seemd like he was one of th etop deobandi munazirs of his time
i suppose it must be the complete munazarah
because of this munazarah he became recognized and famous amongs the deobandi's and every were.this was his turning point.even shah badi udeen him self congratulated him after the munazarah,cuz shah badi udeen was untouchable every body feared him and rated him all over the world and called him sheikh ul arb e wal ajam.
moulana ameen passed away i think in the year 2000.i remember it was the year when moulana younas nomani came to the uk cuz the jamiat ulama of birmingham gave an invitation to master ameen okarwi (ra) he accepted it but a week later he passed away for that reason they had no choice but to call alamah younas nomani instead

[navman35]

Yeah thats true.... his lecture about why he became hanfi is quite good.... i think he became student of Shaikh ul haidth manulana sarfraz khan safdar db if im not mistaken.
i don't think he was a student of sheikh ul hadith safraz sahib (DB)but cld be possible that he must have studied for abit from him.also of his age he studied along side some ulamah even with allamah younas nomani they also done alot of work together they even done a munazarah against the salafis on the issue of taraweeh which was about 9 hour master ameen was the munazir and allamah younas nomani was the sadar.it was also one of the successful munazarah's,but all this happened before ther ikhtilaf on hayat masalah.
darul uloom bury students did a full article on him in subulasalaam magezine few years ago.i think it still can be available.

[navman35]

regarding the most top deobandi munazir's no doubt master ameen okarwi was known to be the top munazir but allamah younas nomani was known to be the most successful munazir but was put down due to the ikhtilaf.personally i think the best munazir we have is moulana chaan muhammed cuz he has debated all the top munazirs such as shaikh ul hadith zubair ali zai (known to be a teacher of asma ur rijaal) expert in chains of narrators,also talibur rehman (known to be a specialist on deobandi's and written the book "ad deobandia") and kazi abdur rasheed (the top ahle hadith munazir at the present moment).thers also good munazirs such as abu billal jhangvi muhammed ismail muhammedi and moulana manzooor menghal whom i think are good,but all of this is my view only.

[Aamir]

Was it in 200 when ther wa ssuppsoe to be a debatre between maulana nomani and a breliw scholar by the name of maulana saqib or something

[navman35]

Was it in 200 when ther wa ssuppsoe to be a debatre between maulana nomani and a breliw scholar by the name of maulana saqib or something
it wasn't a manzarah,allamah saaqib shami can't debate to save his life lol.he tried to cause fitnah in the azmat e sahabah (ra) conference.
i was their when it happened,all what happened was that in the conference of azmat e sahaba (ra) allamah saaqib shaami tried to enterupt the gathering when allamah younas nomani was about to start the bayan so the organizers tryed to explain to him but he didn't listen so allamah younas nomani sorted him out and told him to bring saeed assad and allahmah saqib shaami got scared so allamah younas nomani then started his bayan,i also have that on cassette.it was well interesting to see saaqib shami get a bashing from allamah younas nomani .i thing saaqib shaami under estimated him.it taught him a lesson

[Aamir]

Bro.. ive ben looking for Allama Nomani and Maulana saeed asad talk.. not debate but just a talk sitting next to each other on video.. u know wher ei can get it from

[navman35]

Bro.. ive ben looking for Allama Nomani and Maulana saeed asad talk.. not debate but just a talk sitting next to each other on video.. u know wher ei can get it from

i've seen the diallage on vcr and on audio.it was a very good success for allamah younas nomani.i think it can be available from leeds islamic cassette centre.its really good to watch cuz saeed asad is a very good munazir.their is another munazrah on dua baad salatul janazah with saeed asad. it was a big down fall for saeed asad.

[Aamir]

Allama Saeed Asad is quite a big munazir too... i need to get hold of the VCR's from somewhere.. bro u gt an e-mail add?

[navman35]

Allama Saeed Asad is quite a big munazir too... i need to get hold of the VCR's from somewhere.. bro u gt an e-mail add?
uh yea definitely moulana saeed assad is a top munazir.from amongst the barelvi's i think he is the best cuz he manly stays on the subject.plus he has done a good job on some of the deobandi's and ahle hadith
if u want my email i can send it trough the private message

[bokhari]

AsSalamu 'Alaikum brothers,

You can also find audio lectures and digitized books at http://www.ahnaf.org

You can also find the first volume of his famous book "Majmua-e-Rasaail" at http://www.ahnaf.org/e/downloads-cat22.html

There are three volumes of the above mentioned book (in printed format). Anybody who is interested can buy and read the Dalaail by Maulana Ameen Safdar (Rahimahullah).

He was ghair muqallid initially, but changed to Hanafi after having a conversation with two students of Syed Anwar Shah Kashmeeri (Rahimahullah) (ref: heard in his one of beyaan)

If my information is wrong, please correct me.

WasSalaam,
A muslim brother.

[navman35]

im after another munazrah of master ameen okarvi with kazi abdul rasheed (ghair muqalid) on rafal yadain.its on vcr.

[Al-Burhan]

Assalam O Alaikum

Brother can u plz help me get the munazira by moulana chaan muhammed with those ahle hadith 'scholars'? I mean if it's on the net I would be pleased to get the link or if it's on cd or cassete, can u send it to me on email or something like that? I am in Beijing China so it's not possible to find it here...

MOD: no public posting of email addresses.

waiting for ur repy, if possible send me a private email plz, jazakAllah

[Al-Burhan]

i think the best munazir we have is moulana chaan muhammed cuz he has debated all the top munazirs such as shaikh ul hadith zubair ali zai (known to be a teacher of asma ur rijaal) expert in chains of narrators,also talibur rehman (known to be a specialist on deobandi's and written the book "ad deobandia") and kazi abdur rasheed (the top ahle hadith munazir at the present moment).

Assalam O Alaikum

Brother can u plz help me get the munazira by moulana chaan muhammed with those ahle hadith 'scholars'? I mean if it's on the net I would be pleased to get the link or if it's on cd or cassete, can u send it to me on email or something like that? I am in Beijing China so it's not possible to find it here...

MOD: email clipped

waiting for ur repy, if possible send me a private email plz, jazakAllah

[Taalibu-Allaah Ta`aalaa]

Assalam O Alaikum

Brother can u plz help me get the munazira by moulana chaan muhammed with those ahle hadith 'scholars'? I mean if it's on the net I would be pleased to get the link or if it's on cd or cassete, can u send it to me on email or something like that? I am in Beijing China so it's not possible to find it here...


waiting for ur repy, if possible send me a private email plz, jazakAllah

Assalaamu`alaykum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh

It would be nice if attachments or links be posted here too

shukran
Wassalaam

[navman35]

Assalam O Alaikum

Brother can u plz help me get the munazira by moulana chaan muhammed with those ahle hadith 'scholars'? I mean if it's on the net I would be pleased to get the link or if it's on cd or cassete, can u send it to me on email or something like that? I am in Beijing China so it's not possible to find it here...



waiting for ur repy, if possible send me a private email plz, jazakAllah
asalaam brother.try this site http://tauheed-sunnat.com/a/downloads-cat42.html it shld help i will try to get hold of more debates by master ameen safdar (r.a) and allamah younas nomani sahib and let u know.

[Al-Burhan]

wa alaikum assalam

hmm... I have listen to some debates by Moulana Amin Safdar Okarvi RA, I would like to get those debates by Moulana Chan Muhammad that u referred to in ur post with those so called 'scholars' Zubair Ali Zai and Talibur Rehman (author of Ad Deobandiyah). Plz if u can help. JazakAllah

[Al-Burhan]

JazakAllah...

Now I've downlaoded it... thanx for it, it's really what I was looking for. If u get more of such material about ghair Muqallideen plz give the links.

[Aamir]

Alos brothers... Maulana Chan Mohammed has alos produced a point by point refutation of mulana kokab okarvi (brelwi) defamations against the elders of deoband..... highly recommended too:

http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/a/downloads-cat140.html

Dr Allama khalid Mahmood was also agreat munazir of his time from all accounts, ive never actually heard any of his debates although older people tell me he was excellent alhamudulillah.. ive read the account of his famous munazara of 1981 in Sheffield against Mulana Abdul Qadir jilani and co (of yanabi fame)....

im not sure if Allama sahib still does debate....

and im still looking for his book (mutaala e brlwiyat)... no luck :(

[Abu Suliman]

Alos brothers... Maulana Chan Mohammed has alos produced a point by point refutation of mulana kokab okarvi (brelwi) defamations against the elders of deoband..... highly recommended too:

http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/a/downloads-cat140.html

Dr Allama khalid Mahmood was also agreat munazir of his time from all accounts, ive never actually heard any of his debates although older people tell me he was excellent alhamudulillah.. ive read the account of his famous munazara of 1981 in Sheffield against Mulana Abdul Qadir jilani and co (of yanabi fame)....

im not sure if Allama sahib still does debate....

and im still looking for his book (mutaala e brlwiyat)... no luck :(

yes i went to a talk by the respected Allamah last week Masha'Allah he is very good yes it would be great if could get hold of hes debates.
iam sure you can get the book from hes academy i know a cousin of mine got it from pakistan the full set.

[Aamir]

Brother the book has got banned in pakistan recently according to the guys at albalgah.. wallahualam.... Allama Sahib is a gem amongst the deobandi scholars throughout not just the UK but the whole world. The way he explains isues is amazing, and he is one of a very few select scholars who when he speaks he has the full attention of fellow scholars... brother dont suppose you have the phone number for his academy??

Also you mentioned u went to his talk last week?? where was his talk???

[Al-Burhan]

Bismillah
Assalam O Alaikum

U people won't be surprised to know that while I am living here in Beijing for my studies, I am facing some ghair muqallideen here. They have started their campaign even here in Beijing in the small Pakistani community over here. So currently I am looking for all what I can get online, because here I can't find any books at stores. Specailly if anyone can find some material like 'Ebaraat e Akaabir' of Moulana Sarfaraz Khan Safdar DB where he has clarified the statements by our Akaabir on which Barelvis made objections. Similar clarification of the objections of Ghair Muqallideen will be very helpful here. Some material that I've found in this regard is on these sites...

http://darululoom-deoband.com/urdu/teachings/5_2.htm
http://darululoom-deoband.com/urdu/current/index.htm
http://www28.brinkster.com/mushrf/070104/TFAZAIM.html
http://www31.brinkster.com/ak4thanvi/devidfdfdance.html

and more topics on http://www31.brinkster.com/ak4thanvi/deviat.html

Wassalam
Zeeshan

[Abu Suliman]

Brother the book has got banned in pakistan recently according to the guys at albalgah.. wallahualam.... Allama Sahib is a gem amongst the deobandi scholars throughout not just the UK but the whole world. The way he explains isues is amazing, and he is one of a very few select scholars who when he speaks he has the full attention of fellow scholars... brother dont suppose you have the phone number for his academy??

Also you mentioned u went to his talk last week?? where was his talk???


Insha'Allah i will try to get you phone number for the academy, the talk was in B'ham Masjid Uthman in Smethwich i heard he might be at the Azmat e Sahabah(ra) conference on 2nd of July.
yes he has anlot of attention of ulema when he talks quite a few ulema were there he is very learned Masha'Allah.

[navman35]

Insha'Allah i will try to get you phone number for the academy, the talk was in B'ham Masjid Uthman in Smethwich i heard he might be at the Azmat e Sahabah(ra) conference on 2nd of July.
yes he has anlot of attention of ulema when he talks quite a few ulema were there he is very learned Masha'Allah.

the week before the smethwich conference he did a talk in the seerat conference,even one of our great scholars sayid suliman alhussaini an nadwi was well impressed by allamah khalid mahmood sahib.mashalah i persanly think he is the most knowledgable deobandi scholar in the uk.he is known as shiekh ul islam of europe,he is currently the chief justice of the supreme court of pakistan and has also written a book eesaarul hadith in 3 volume against the ghair muqalids.
i think he has only done one munazrah that was against the barelvis.alamah zia ulqasmi was also present in the debate.im after that debate

[navman35]

JazakAllah...

Now I've downlaoded it... thanx for it, it's really what I was looking for. If u get more of such material about ghair Muqallideen plz give the links.
their is another debate its on the topic :(dos the deobandi ibarat contain shirk and kuffar and are ghair muqalids liars)on these to subjects by moulana chan muhammed with zubair alizai and talib ur rahman,they also discuss wahdatul wujood.mashalah moulana chaan muhammed gives them a good bashing lol and they get cought out im many place.i was very impressed by moulana chan muhammed.
ther is a friend of mine who is gonna put all the debates by moulana chan muhammed and allamah younas nomani soon on the net.i will let u know what site they will put them on, but inshalah it will be done soon

[if0rg0t]

What's with Qari Maulana Chan sahib and his ahl-e-hadith counterpart? Their debates are horrible ... A bunch of 3rd graders could have a more honorable and sober debate than that ... Plus, the points they raised were rediculous ... making a big deal out of typos in books, etc .. I really expected more from the Ulema. I'm very dissapointed. They were all shouting, throwing fists in the air, cursing each other indirectly, never letting the other talk ..

[if0rg0t]

subjects by moulana chan muhammed with zubair alizai and talib ur rahman,they also discuss wahdatul wujood.mashalah moulana chaan muhammed gives them a good bashing lol and they get cought out im many place.i was very impressed by moulana chan muhammed.
ther is a friend of mine who is gonna put all the debates by moulana chan muhammed and allamah younas nomani soon on the net.i will let u know what site they will put them on, but inshalah it will be done soon

Where is the second part of the debate on wahdatul wujood and other things of aqida? I watched the videos at http://www.deenekhalis.com/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,33/func,select/id,57/
and in the last video (part 4) they are just starting to debate wahdat ul wujood towards the end and it all erupts in commotion and it goes nowhere. Is there another part which isn't on the website I mentioned above?

[navman35]

Insha'Allah i will try to get you phone number for the academy, the talk was in B'ham Masjid Uthman in Smethwich i heard he might be at the Azmat e Sahabah(ra) conference on 2nd of July.
yes he has anlot of attention of ulema when he talks quite a few ulema were there he is very learned Masha'Allah.

ive asked moulana imdadul hassan nomani the organizer of azmat e shabah conference.he said allamah khalid mahmood will be ther for defenate,also shiekh ul hadith moulana mohammed fazal ameen will be ther.he is the shiekh ul hadith of moulana zia ul qasmis madrsa.he has been teaching bukhari in the madrassa for over 40 years

[navman35]

Where is the second part of the debate on wahdatul wujood and other things of aqida? I watched the videos at http://www.deenekhalis.com/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,33/func,select/id,57/
and in the last video (part 4) they are just starting to debate wahdat ul wujood towards the end and it all erupts in commotion and it goes nowhere. Is there another part which isn't on the website I mentioned above?
i've already said in the post before that inshallah it will be on the net but brother u must get use to pakistani mentality lol thats the way they discuss,its normal for them but i understand what u mean its the way our ppl mentality is u cant take that away but for ppl from deferent places get affended when thay see such discussions or debates

[Aamir]

Apparently Allam sahib was a student of Sheilk ul Islma Allama Shabbir Ahmed usmani (ra)

Below is a brief bio... im trying to translate it myself fromau urdu book so bear with me lol

Allama Khalid is one of the great schoalrs in Pakistan and holds a high positon in the hearts and minds of the people. His teachers include Maulana Syed Sulaiman nadwi, mufti muhammed hasan amrastari, mualna khair muhammed jhaldanry, mufti muhammed shafi and mulana idirs kandhalvi. Allama sahib has held positions of ustaad of hadith, head of reasearch and proffessor at a number of different institutions. Initially Allama sahib was a proffessor at Muree College but then became associated with tanzeem e Ahle Sunnat Waljamat and shone in the protection of the honour of sahaba.

Allama sahib started introduced a new publication called dawat which has illuminated many hearts. Even with financila difficlties Allama sahib toured the country preaching love for the sahaba in all major cities.

in 1966 Allamam sahib came to England and established a academy in Manchester of which he became the director of the academy. Even in the UK Allama sahib continued his tireless effort in propagating love for the sahaba and defence of the ahel sunnah through speeches, confrences and munazara's.

I also think Allama sahib did his Phd at Birmingham University.

[Ansari]

Where is the second part of the debate on wahdatul wujood and other things of aqida? I watched the videos at http://www.deenekhalis.com/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,33/func,select/id,57/
and in the last video (part 4) they are just starting to debate wahdat ul wujood towards the end and it all erupts in commotion and it goes nowhere. Is there another part which isn't on the website I mentioned above?

I am looking at the first part of the video, and they are still debating for 30 minutes what the topic of the discussion is....

[Aamir]

^^^ its normally the case brother.... they take ages to set out the rules of engagement lol... debates for 8-10 hours are not uncommon

[Al-Burhan]

their is another debate its on the topic :(dos the deobandi ibarat contain shirk and kuffar and are ghair muqalids liars)on these to subjects by moulana chan muhammed with zubair alizai and talib ur rahman,they also discuss wahdatul wujood.mashalah moulana chaan muhammed gives them a good bashing lol and they get cought out im many place.i was very impressed by moulana chan muhammed.
ther is a friend of mine who is gonna put all the debates by moulana chan muhammed and allamah younas nomani soon on the net.i will let u know what site they will put them on, but inshalah it will be done soon

It it the debate u were talking about?


http://www.deenekhalis.com/componen...c,select/id,57/
and in the last video (part 4) they are just starting to debate wahdat ul wujood...

[Al-Burhan]

I just finished the fourth part... I wonder why the salafis put this munazira on their website!!! rather it should be made available on every hanafi website. They've accepted their mistake so many times in this munazira but couldn't prove a single point against the hanafis. But unfortunately the munazira which was labelled as 'Aqaid e Ulema e Deoband' had no debate on aqaid!!!

http://www.deenekhalis.com/componen...c,select/id,57/

but u need to be very patient like me to go through it... It took both parties around two hrs to agree on the topic and conditions of munazira!!!

[navman35]

It it the debate u were talking about?
the debate is recorded by the salifies, its on ther web site and its ther version i just seen a bit of it,but the one i've seen full is on vcr from the hanafi sided recording. they discuss the issue of wahdatul wujood at the end and they discuss some aqaid.they also discuss some mistakes made by the ahlehadith ulamah.
some times they cut out the bit which i think its unfair ive experienced that before from the salafis.

[Al-Burhan]

its unfair ive experienced that before from the salafis.

I know they do such things while quoting from Hanafi scholars to issue their rulings of kufr and shirk, and myself experienced that too. I am waiting for that Munazira to be uploaded to a hanafi website that u said ur friend is planning to upload. Then we'll be able to compare the two and see what the salafis have done here. I have sent an email to the salafi website asking them to upload the remain parts and now waiting for their reply.

One such act of giving out of context statements happened when one of the salafis posted on a group that hanafis say that Hadaya like Quran... May Allah save us from their filthy tactics.

[Saalik]

:salam:


I have read a book over his life and his work, a very brave person, devoted his entire life for defending the aqeedah of ahl-e-sunnah wal jammah .
may Allah accept him as His loyal servant.


:ws:

[Aamir]

:salam:


I have read a book over his life and his work, a very brave person, devoted his entire life for defending the aqeedah of ahl-e-sunnah wal jammah .
may Allah accept him as His loyal servant.


:ws:

Sorry brother. Who are you refering to.. Maulana Ameen??

[Al-Burhan]

I have just finished listening to the Munazira of Moulana Amin Safdar Okarvi RA with Pir Jhando (Ghair Muqalid)
http://ahnaf.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=7&min=10&orderby=titleA&show=10
on Taqlid, Fatiha Khalf al Imam and Amin bil Jehr. MashAllah Moulana Okarvi defended the maslak of Ahlus Sunnah with complete authority in all the topics. I wish I could find more of his munaziras with ghair muqallideen. Please if some one can find more of his debates plz give the link or if it's possible upload to a site. JazakAllah.

[navman35]

im after a munazira by moulana yousaf rahmani (r.a) with irfan mashadi.dos any 1 know of that',and im also after th munazara by moulana ismail muhammedi.ive heard two of his, 1 on fathiha khalfal imaam and 8rakah taraweeh i was wondering if ther was any more of his munazarahs available

[Al-Burhan]

.ive heard two of his, 1 on fathiha khalfal imaam and 8rakah taraweeh

Where are these two munaziras??? Did u listen to them on VCR or from the net?

[Aamir]

im after a munazira by moulana yousaf rahmani (r.a) with irfan mashadi.dos any 1 know of that',and im also after th munazara by moulana ismail muhammedi.ive heard two of his, 1 on fathiha khalfal imaam and 8rakah taraweeh i was wondering if ther was any more of his munazarahs available


Brother ive heard maulana yusuf rehamini's debate agaisnt a brelwi scholar by the name of Maulana Muratb Ali Shah on Haazir Naazir.... i didnt know he had debated irfan shah. What was te debate about and what was the outcome. Mulana rahmani was also a great servant of ahle Sunnah. May Allah enlighten his grave. Ameen

[navman35]

Where are these two munaziras??? Did u listen to them on VCR or from the net?
ive only seen them on vcr.he has done more but i cant get hold of them

[Al-Burhan]

Is it possible to transfer them to PC???

[navman35]

Brother ive heard maulana yusuf rehamini's debate agaisnt a brelwi scholar by the name of Maulana Muratb Ali Shah on Haazir Naazir.... i didnt know he had debated irfan shah. What was te debate about and what was the outcome. Mulana rahmani was also a great servant of ahle Sunnah. May Allah enlighten his grave. Ameen
i've heard the 1 with muratab mashalah its a good debate.the 1 with irfan mashadi was really good moulana mashadi was very young and i was told mashadi didnt do well and made him self look bad

[navman35]

Is it possible to transfer them to PC???
as i said ive got friend who is working on it and inshalah all the debates which i have il put them on the net

[navman35]

i heard he might be at the Azmat e Sahabah(ra) conference on 2nd of July.
mashalah he did a good talk in azmat e sahabah confrence but only did it for a few minutes.also alamah younas nomani did a talk and allamah ali sher haidery did the final talk mashalah also alamah ali sher hadery is to be known amongst the top ulamah

[Aamir]

Bro navman u mean Allama Ali Sher Haydri (head of SSP) was there???? .... maybe you can give us a breakdown of how the gathering went who the speakers were what they talked about etc. That would be helpful

[navman35]

Bro navman u mean Allama Ali Sher Haydri (head of SSP) was there???? .... maybe you can give us a breakdown of how the gathering went who the speakers were what they talked about etc. That would be helpful
brother thats gonna be a mission an a half lol...
i missed moulana obaidur rahman zia's bayan,everybody said it was really funny mashalah.i also missed qari khubaib from jhalm.alamah khalid mahmood done a a short bayan but was brilliant mashalah he's got class.moulana yahaya abbassi impressed the majmah by going trough the names of khulafa e rashideens familys and how they had a link with each other.which i think was very unique it a bayan worthwile listening to.allamah younas nomani did the same last time but i was told that he was ask to talk on the subject of hayatul ambia cuz ther has been lot of false acusation put on which he was gonna clarify due to the short of time they didn't go in to it.moulana watto has his intertaning way of expression mashalah the speech was good.sheikh zahir did a speech in english it was about a sahabi who is not know.then alamah ali sher hadery did exellant tafsir on sura fath he was the final speaker but cldnt finish it due to short time and dua was done by sheikh ul hadith moulana fazal ameen.ther wer other ulamah but these were the main ulamah

[Aamir]

Jazakallah bro... sounded like a excelent gathering.... any recordings i wonder

[Al-Burhan]

Here are some newly added bayans on Taudeeh And Sunnah - Islamic Library by Moulana Khalid Mehmood

http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/a/downloads-cat214.html

[Aamir]

Jazakallah bro Zeeshan.... Allama's sahib's lecture on hayat un nabi is highly recommended to all

[navman35]

Jazakallah bro Zeeshan.... Allama's sahib's lecture on hayat un nabi is highly recommended to all
ive heard his talk on hayat unabi,its not that good he dosnt bring much dhaleel.a freind of mine ask him a few months ago about this masala and abt moulana younas nomani.he said in a angry tone (HAM SAB EKH HAI, KOI IKHTALAAF NAI OR IS MASALAH KU CHURDAY)that thez no ikhtilaaf and we all are one.my freind was suprised at his responce.he was trying to indicate that we shld leave this issue and more better issues are to be delt with.he is also very close with alamah younas nomani.

[Aamir]

ive just purchased a copy of tajaliyat e safdar which is over 8 volumes.. a hugely difinitive work on primarily the fitna of ghair muqaalad's.... Maulana Ameen was amazing a he battled the entire fitna e ghair muqqalad single handedly... highly recommended

ther is a certain bit located about this issue of hayat and mamaat and the history behind it... it talks about mulana inayatullah shah (rah) and the controversy in the 1960's, how maulana Ghulamulla khan (ra) did rujoo to the hayati viewpoint and how Qari Muhammed Tayib sahib (ra) specifically came to Pakistan to try and put an end to the controversy... fascinating reading so far.


Bro u heard maulana abu muhammed ismaeel muhammedi's bayan on hayat un nabii thought that was good??

http://ahnaf.com/downloads/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=725

[Al-Burhan]

ive just purchased a copy of tajaliyat e safdar which is over 8 volumes.. a hugely difinitive work on primarily the fitna of ghair muqaalad's.... Maulana Ameen was amazing a he battled the entire fitna e ghair muqqalad single handedly... highly recommended

Where did u buy it from? Are u in Karachi?

[Aamir]

No Bro im in the uk.. i brought in the uk.... its published my Maktab a imdadiya, khair ul madaris Multan... hugeley recommend.. - u might be able to purchase it online from albalgh.. not sure

[navman35]

ther is a certain bit located about this issue of hayat and mamaat and the history behind it... it talks about mulana inayatullah shah (rah) and the controversy in the 1960's, how maulana Ghulamulla khan (ra) did rujoo to the hayati viewpoint and how Qari Muhammed Tayib sahib (ra) specifically came to Pakistan to try and put an end to the controversy... fascinating reading so far.


brother this is the view piont from the hayati's.if u listen to what ishaati's had to say then u myt understand it better.u hav to remember that our pakistan mentality is that when we get one point we go on and on abt it asthough the other point is basless.
hazrat moulana inayatullah shah sahib bukhari (ra)did not sign almuhanad was becouse ther wer certain issues apon other points (not hayat masalah) which he desagreed with,cuz he read all of it but qari tayyab went to hazrat shiekh ul quran moulana ghulamullah khan tawheedi (ra) first and he signed it straight away relying apon qari sahib (ra) plus due to the fitna but ive heard the bayan after the signatures and in that bayan he read out what he said and explained his aqaeed while holding the document wer he signed and challenged any one to come forward and debate with him or hazrat bukhari on hayat but no one deard to cum forward that was a very powerfull bayan,and he did not do rujoo and said that was his aqeedah
after that ppl tryed to cause fitnah but never succeded even when they planed to go undercover and challenge hazrat bukhari.they took alamah khalid mahmood,but when he realised that his own ppl are actually causing the trouble he back out and told them he wasnt intrested thats why now he dosnt want to get envolved even now when ppl are trying to cause fitna with allamah younas nomani he still dosnt want know

[navman35]

Bro u heard maulana abu muhammed ismaeel muhammedi's bayan on hayat un nabii thought that was good??

ive head him many times all im gonna say is that he is a nother person they are trying to use.have u heard the bayan by hazrat moulana enayatullah shah bukhari sahib (ra) its on 4 cassettes,ucan get it from leeds cassette house.

[Aamir]

Jazakallah for your input akhi. May Allah Taalah inshallah reward you. I persoanlly view the hayati/mamatee issue as a cancer. I hope inshallah that they all can come together and settle there differences for the sake of Allah..inshallah...

Navman ive never actaully heard any bayans from the mamatee viewpoint... do u have any links?? and alos how is ur friends plans with putting Allam youni's sahibs debates on net going?

[navman35]

Jazakallah for your input akhi. May Allah Taalah inshallah reward you. I persoanlly view the hayati/mamatee issue as a cancer. I hope inshallah that they all can come together and settle there differences for the sake of Allah..inshallah...

Navman ive never actaully heard any bayans from the mamatee viewpoint... do u have any links?? and alos how is ur friends plans with putting Allam youni's sahibs debates on net going?
brother it wld be good if they come together and settle there differences,its sad to say that i've been very close with the hayati moulana's who actually started this fitna for personal reasons. thats why im not impressed by them.they caused all the fitna in the whole of uk and now they them selves have made up with allamah younas nomani.
u can many get ishaati ulamah bayans from pakistan.
ther is a shop in birmingham amsons islamic shop they are opening a website wer u will get moulana younas nomanis bayans another friend of mine has got contacts with tauwheed and sunnah website and he is planning of sending all allamah younas nomani bayans and debates inshalah

[Al-Burhan]

Here are some bayans by Moulana Amin Safdar Okarvi (RA)'s younger brother Moulana Mufti Muhammad Anwar Okarvi DB... MashAllah he appears to be very similar to his brother

http://www.defendersofislam.com/Ver2.0/UlemasOnline.htm

[Aamir]

brother it wld be good if they come together and settle there differences,its sad to say that i've been very close with the hayati moulana's who actually started this fitna for personal reasons. thats why im not impressed by them.they caused all the fitna in the whole of uk and now they them selves have made up with allamah younas nomani.
u can many get ishaati ulamah bayans from pakistan.
ther is a shop in birmingham amsons islamic shop they are opening a website wer u will get moulana younas nomanis bayans another friend of mine has got contacts with tauwheed and sunnah website and he is planning of sending all allamah younas nomani bayans and debates inshalah

Bro which Ulama in the uk that started the fitna are you refering to?

[navman35]

Bro which Ulama in the uk that started the fitna are you refering to?
if i mention the moulana's name then it feels like im causing the trouble cuz he has made up with allamah younas nomani.the moulana has done a bayan on this masalah and u will realise how much trouble he was trying to cause.he used the words like that mamatees are khawarijee, mutazili ,rafizee and even said dhajaalee and went to the extent that u cant even read namaz behind them and u cant even send ur kids to learn quran from them.
he is mainly influanced by the khadaami group who are known to put fatwas upon nearly all the deobandi jamaat.

[Aamir]

Who are the khaddamis??? .. bro on a side note you know anything about this.....

http://www.*********.com/masabih/showthread.php?t=2651

Su*nniport.com

"Just to let every one know a debate on the illme ghaib of the prophet saw should be happening soon between barelwis and deobandis. This debate will happen in the UK. Naeem Rabbani son of Abdullah Ateeq of Cradley Heath has been trying to get some one from the Barelwi side for 4 months. According to him Mashadi sahib is ready but according to sources he doesnt know anything about it. The deobandis have asked for any barelwi scholar to come forward this includes saeed asad, kokab noorani. any one who is willing. There is another thing the debator of the deobandis is called maulana yunus Nomani."

IS this true????????

[Aamir]

Allama Saeed Asad is a knowledgable aalim. The others especially Kokab Sahib is hell bent on causing trouble... But Qari Chan sorted him out. Hashmi Mian.... another one who smears our akaabir left, right and centre. Although im not sure he debates....

Whatever happens keep us posted bro....

btw the brelwis are fighting amonsgt themselves these days.... Irfan Shah is at loggerheads with Peer Abdul Qadir and ya-nabi...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2787018843732303300 - half way through ....

[navman35]

btw the brelwis are fighting amonsgt themselves these days.... Irfan Shah is at loggerheads with Peer Abdul Qadir and ya-nabi...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2787018843732303300 - half way through ....
whats the ikhtalaf about?

[Aamir]

All sorts..lol .... the permisiibility of the slogan Haq Chaar Yaar and who is the most afzaal in the ummah after the prophet (sallahu alyhiwassalm).. if u go to sunni*port website u can read up about it l

[navman35]

oh yea i just listen to irfan mashadi

[Al-Burhan]

are there any debates of Qari Chann muhammad with barelvis available on the net?

[Al-Burhan]

HEre are some very good movies... Moulana Chann Muhammad answering Berelvi accusations with video proofs!

http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/a/downloads-cat140.html

Highly recommended

[Aamir]

I've heard those... the lies of the brelwis are gobsmacking

[navman35]

i've heard it aswell,but its not full.he also has done a similar 1 with the ghiar muqalids.its on vcd.

[Al-Burhan]

i've heard it aswell,but its not full.he also has done a similar 1 with the ghiar muqalids.its on vcd.

I wish it were also made available on the net... how can I get that?

[aaskir]

i've heard it aswell,but its not full.he also has done a similar 1 with the ghiar muqalids.its on vcd.


Brother, I wish I could get these VCDs or DVDs on ghair muqalideens. I am at beijing, china. I am not sure how can we do that. Any suggestion?

[navman35]

[he also has done a similar 1 with the ghiar muqalids.its on vcd.]

Brother, I wish I could get these VCDs or DVDs on ghair muqalideens. I am at beijing, china. I am not sure how can we do that. Any suggestion?
the good news is that my freind is gonna send it to one of the brothers on tauheed and sunnah web site.i hope it all works out inshalah

[aaskir]

the good news is that my freind is gonna send it to one of the brothers on tauheed and sunnah web site.i hope it all works out inshalah

JazakaAllah brother, will be anxciously waiting...

[meer]

brothers there is a book"futuhaat e safdar" by maulana ameen safdar saahab in 3 volumes
which covers most of his munazaras.Better get it.

[Aamir]

where can we get it from bro

[meer]

brother i reside in india so i do not have any idea about any other place.i will inform you the maktab that is publishing it.inshALLAH

[meer]

i'm from hyderabad, A.P.

[Al-Burhan]

i'm from hyderabad, A.P.

hmmm...! ;)

[Al-Burhan]

i'm from hyderabad, A.P.
Are there any prominent Deobandi Madaris and Scholars there in Hyderabad Dakan? What is the general trend in common muslims, are they Deobandi, Barelvi or Salafi? What I heard from my mother gives an impression that there were more barelvis in those days. Specially there is a certain town called BARKAS, where the muslims of arab origin are in majority, what about this town? and where exactly do u reside? I mean which town? ;)

When I listen to Mufti Nawalur Rehman of ShariahBoard, I feel as if he is from Hyderabad as well. Is it true?

http://www.shariahboard.com/mnr_bukhari.php

Wassalam

[Al-Burhan]

as i said ive got friend who is working on it and inshalah all the debates which i have il put them on the net

I think it's been a long time now. Has he uploaded the debates somewhere?


and brother Meer, my questions plz... ;)

[meer]

Waalaikumassalam

after a long time brother

by the way mufti nawal ur rehmaan sahab is fron hyderabad.

here now Alhamdullilah deobandis have increased (barkath of tableeghi jamaath)i think it is about 40%

barelvis are more but u know maximum arein old city( here the city is divided in two new and old) and that too illetarte and far from deeni ilm. for example 70% of barelvis in hyderabad is from very poor prople.

and salafis here are in minority(offcourse every where there are) but some what more in mehdipatnam, barkas.

in barkas there are arabs(maximum shafi) but due to far from deeni ilm now they are converting to salafism