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Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
12-12-2005, 11:13 AM
as salamu alaykum

what is the origin of the 3 pillars which are stoned during hajj, which represent shaytan?

in addition, what is the origin of the maqam ibrahim?

mospike
12-12-2005, 01:06 PM
What do you mean "origin" brother

If you mean where does it come from, its just a pillar built there to identify the three places at which Shaytaan tried to interfere with Ebrahim (as)

The Maqaam is the stone that Ebrahim (as) and Ismaeel (as) used to elevate themselves when building the Baitul Ateeq

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
12-12-2005, 01:24 PM
What do you mean "origin" brother

as salamu alaykum

origin meaning the history behind it, how it came to exist etc etc


If you mean where does it come from, its just a pillar built there to identify the three places at which Shaytaan tried to interfere with Ebrahim (as)

jazakallah - but who built them? and when?


The Maqaam is the stone that Ebrahim (as) and Ismaeel (as) used to elevate themselves when building the Baitul Ateeq

jazakallahu khayr

Dua
08-01-2006, 10:44 PM
Asalaam Alaikum,
I have heard of a fatwa that if a woman cannot get a mehram to perform Hajj with then she can perform it with a large group of women in the same situation. Is this possible and right to do so?

eTeacher
09-01-2006, 12:32 AM
as salamu alaykum

what is the origin of the 3 pillars which are stoned during hajj, which represent shaytan?

in addition, what is the origin of the maqam ibrahim?

If no one else answers it before Wednesday, Insha Allah I'll answer your questions. Currently, I'm really pressed for time. On Tuesday, I have to lead Eid prayers. Congregation? 8000 people. 8000 critics. Busy right now preparing a speech.

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
06-02-2006, 04:50 PM
salams

u have time for that answer?

jazakAllahu khayr

eTeacher
08-02-2006, 07:13 PM
salams

u have time for that answer?

jazakAllahu khayr

I've started working on it Bro... : )

eTeacher
09-02-2006, 04:35 AM
DETAILED HISTORY OF MAQAMU IBRAHIM

http://magic-city-news.com/artman/uploads/maqam.gif

The literal meaning of Maqam is: a place of standing or where a person stood. When we say ‘Maqamu Ibrahim’, it means the place where Ibrahim Alayhis Salam (Peace be upon him) stood. The Maqamu Ibrahim is also known as the Station of Ibrahim (A.S.)

What particular incident is this standing of Ibrahim Alayhis Salam being referred to when we say “Maqamu Ibrahim”? Scholars of Islam mention a few opinions:

(1) This was the stepping stone used by Ibrahim (A.S.) to construct the K’abah. When Ibrahim A.S. was building the K’abah, his son Ismail (A.S.) would pass stones to him. After the K’abah reached a certain height, it became hard for Ibrahim (A.S.) to lift up the rocks or to reach the height of the K’abah. So Ibrahim (A.S.) used a stone to stand on to complete the construction of the K’abah. The footprints of Ibrahim (A.S.) were imbedded into the rock when he stood on it. This rock took the name of Maqamu Ibrahim. Most of the scholars have adopted this view when they discuss about Maqamu Ibrahim.

(2) It has been narrated that Ibrahim Alayhis Salam arrived to the city of Makkah to visit his beloved son Ismail (A.S.) Ismail Alayhis Salam’s wife stepped forward to pour some water for him to wash his head whilst he was still riding his means of conveyance. She put the stone under one of his feet and she washed one half of the head/hair/face. His foot had sunk in the stone. Then she took the same stone and put it under his other foot and she finished washing him. His other foot left impressions on the stone as well. This same stone later became known as Maqamu Ibrahim or the standing place of Ibrahim Alayhis Salam.

(3) Ibn Abbas (May Allah be pleases with him) is of the opinion that the whole Hajj is Maqamu Ibrahim. The Wuquf (standing) of Arafah is Maqamu Ibrahim. Pelting of the stones is Maqamu Ibrahim. Tawaf and Sa’ee and all the other acts of Hajj come under the definition of ‘Maqamu Ibrahim’. The stone upon which Ibrahim (A.S.) stepped on to construct the K’abah is one those Maqams.

From the above we can conclude that Maqamu Ibrahim is the place where Ibrahim stood to build the K’abah. Here’s a close up of it:

Side View:

http://www.abunashaykh.com/Gallery/Haram%20Al%20Sharief/IMAGES/Maqam%20Ibrahim%20(4).jpg

Aerial View:

http://www.abunashaykh.com/Gallery/Haram%20Al%20Sharief/IMAGES/Maqam%20Ibrahim%20(3).jpg

In the early era of Islam, the Maqamu Ibrahim was attached or adjacent to the K’abah. It remained like that in the period of Abu Bakar (R.A.) as well. In the era of Umar (R.A.), it was moved further away from the K’abah because it was becoming hard to perform Tawaf. This is because we all know that after completing the Tawaf of the K’abah, we have to perform two Rakats of Tawaf behind Maqamu Ibrahim as the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihe Wasallam did. Since the Maqamu Ibrahim was right adjacent to the K’abah, it’s quite clear that it must have been hard to perform Tawaf when people were performing their two Rakats right next to the K’abah and impeding the smooth movement of the crowd. To make the Tawaf easy for the people, Umar (R.A.) moved the rock away from the K’abah. Also, it’s very hard for people who are performing their two Rakats to be focused in their prayers because of the fear of being trampled upon by those performing Tawaf. So Umar (R.A.) moved it to facilitate the Tawaf and also to make it easy to concentrate in the two Rakats of Tawaf for those who perform their two Rakats right behind the Maqamu Ibrahim.

Those of you who have gone for Hajj/Umrah know very well how hard it is to make Tawaf and to perform the two Rakats behind the Maqamu Ibrahim because of the huge crowds. The Saudi police try their utmost to keep people as far away from the Maqam as possible, but some people just don’t get it. They want to stand right behind the Maqam and put those who are making the Tawaf through peril and danger. That is why scholars like Sheikh Qaradawi are of the opinion that just as Umar (R.A) moved it to ease the Tawaf and the two Rakats for the Muslims, today the Maqamu Ibrahim should be moved further back to ease the Tawaf and the two Rakats of Tawaf for Muslims. I concur with Sheikh Qaradawi’s opinion. Also, if you don’t find space to perform the two Rakats near the Maqamu Ibrahim because of overcrowding, then the two Rakats can be performed anywhere in the Masjid Al-Haram. They also can be performed in the hotel.

Currently the Maqamu Ibrahim is located in front of the door of the Kabah:

http://www.islamicfinder.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Maqam_Ibrahim2.jpg

Older structure of the Maqamu Ibrahim :

http://www.abunashaykh.com/Gallery/Haram%20Al%20Sharief/IMAGES/Maqam%20Ibrahim%20(1).jpg

A few more pictures (old) of the Maqamu Ibrahim:

http://www.islamicfinder.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Haram_Makki37.jpg

http://www.abunashaykh.com/Gallery/Haram%20Al%20Sharief/IMAGES/Rainy%20Day%20(5).jpg

Most of the above information has been taken from the famous Quran commentaries under Surah #2 Verse #125 and also from Al-Bidayah Wannihayah by Ibn Kathir.

Muztik
09-02-2006, 12:17 PM
Salams
Jazakallah for that very detailed and informative post.
Theres just a little typo though, see below


In the early era of Islam, the Maqamu Ibrahim was attached or adjacent to the K’abah. It remained like that in the period of Abu Bakar (R.A.) as well. In the era of Umar (R.A.), it was moved further away from the K’abah because it was becoming hard to perform Tawaf. This is because we all know that after completing the Tawaf of the K’abah, we have to perform two Rakats of Tawaf behind Maqamu Ibrahim as the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihe Wasallam did. Since the Maqamu Ibrahim was right adjacent to the K’abah, it’s quite clear that it must have been hard to perform Tawaf when people were performing their two Rakats right next to the K’abah and impeding the smooth movement of the crowd. To make the Tawaf easy for the people, Umar (R.A.) moved the rock away from the K’abah. Also, it’s very hard for people who are performing their two Rakats to be focused in their prayers because of the fear of being trampled upon by those performing Tawaf. So Umar (R.A.) moved it to facilitate the Tawaf and also to make it easy to concentrate in the two Rakats of Tawaf for those who perform their two Rakats right behind the Maqamu Ibrahim.

eTeacher
09-02-2006, 04:53 PM
Salams
Jazakallah for that very detailed and informative post.
Theres just a little typo though, see below

Jazakumullah for your comment and also for correcting my mistake in a humble kind manner. But Bro......I still don't get it.....What did I spell wrong? : ) If you or anyone else could point it out and be more clear, I would appreciate it.

Muztik
09-02-2006, 05:09 PM
Jazakumullah for your comment and also for correcting my mistake in a humble kind manner. But Bro......I still don't get it.....What did I spell wrong? : ) If you or anyone else could point it out and be more clear, I would appreciate it.

sincerely,
nazim

'...Two Rakats of Tawaf behind Maqamu Ibrahim...'
I think it should be/ you mean Two Rakats of Salaah. (oops have I been praying two rakat salaah after tawaf incorrectly??!!)

Wasalam

eTeacher
09-02-2006, 07:01 PM
'...Two Rakats of Tawaf behind Maqamu Ibrahim...'
I think it should be/ you mean Two Rakats of Salaah. (oops have I been praying two rakat salaah after tawaf incorrectly??!!)

Wasalam

Jazakumullah for that. If you ask Mufti Google and you type in two rakats of Tawaf, many answers will come up with that specific wording. Those two rakats are known as Two Rakats of Tawaf. Tawaf is mentioned to differentiate those two rakats from other types of two rakats.

You can check this link (http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=two+rakats+of+tawaf&fr=FP-tab-web-t-334&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8&u=www.islamsa.org.za/library/hajj_and_umrah.html&w=two+rakats+tawaf&d=HSuN0G1aMIBK&icp=1&.intl=us) and also this link (http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=two+rakats+of+tawaf&fr=FP-tab-web-t-334&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8&u=www.radioislam.org.za/misc/Haj%2520in%2520Detail.htm&w=two+rakats+tawaf&d=PC66A21aMOV-&icp=1&.intl=us) which has the wording Two Rakats of Tawaf.

I think it would have been better if you asked about that wording instead of saying it was a typo : ) Or you could have said the first time something like, "I think....." Just to cover your back...but hey...it's all good....If we see someone doing something, don't immediately think it's wrong. We might be wrong in thinking that the person is doing something wrong. That is why, if we do inquire about any action, we should not use words which hint towards the person's 'perceived' mistake. Because it could turn out that he is right and I am wrong.

azba
09-02-2006, 07:38 PM
can a jus ask u ppl wots in dat thing sorry:(

Muztik
09-02-2006, 09:37 PM
Jazakumullah for that. If you ask Mufti Google and you type in two rakats of Tawaf, many answers will come up with that specific wording. Those two rakats are known as Two Rakats of Tawaf. Tawaf is mentioned to differentiate those two rakats from other types of two rakats.

You can check this link (http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=two+rakats+of+tawaf&fr=FP-tab-web-t-334&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8&u=www.islamsa.org.za/library/hajj_and_umrah.html&w=two+rakats+tawaf&d=HSuN0G1aMIBK&icp=1&.intl=us) and also this link (http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=two+rakats+of+tawaf&fr=FP-tab-web-t-334&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8&u=www.radioislam.org.za/misc/Haj%2520in%2520Detail.htm&w=two+rakats+tawaf&d=PC66A21aMOV-&icp=1&.intl=us) which has the wording Two Rakats of Tawaf.

I think it would have been better if you asked about that wording instead of saying it was a typo : ) Or you could have said, "I think....." Just to cover your back...but hey...it's all good....If we see someone doing something, don't immediately think it's wrong. We might be wrong in thinking that the person is doing something wrong. That is why, if we do inquire about any action, we should not use words which hint towards the person's 'perceived' mistake. Because it could turn out that he is right and I am wrong.

Sincerely,
Nazim Mangera

Jazakallah for that valuable lesson...
goes to show that you never are too old to learn!
...and probably also that I should maybe do the work I'm paid to do by my employer, instead surfing the net.
Just wanted to know if Mufti Yahoo and MSN are also ok sources for sound Islamic fatawa? : )

Eating humble pie...

Muztik
10-02-2006, 03:16 PM
Salams
I recalled reading this in a book before and thought I would share here

“The Hajar Aswad and Maqaam Ibraheem are 2 jewels from amongst the jewels of Jannah. Had Allah not concealed their radiance, they would illuminate everything between the East and the West.” (Sunan Kubra)

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
13-02-2006, 05:52 PM
jazakallahu khayr, shaykh eteacher.

as-salamu `alaykum

mospike
20-02-2006, 06:47 AM
Tell me something.
Was the Maqam used by Ebrahim (as) as an elevator, did it lift him up and down.
Allahuakbar, if this is the case surely it is a miracle!!!!

today we need trasal's etc...

Jamroll
21-02-2006, 04:17 PM
Salam,

Brother, I think you misunderstand. The Maqam was not used as an elevator that moved up and down. Think of it as a stepping stone, which allowed them to take a step up.

Noor ul Islam
12-03-2006, 04:23 PM
Salam,

Brother, I think you misunderstand. The Maqam was not used as an elevator that moved up and down. Think of it as a stepping stone, which allowed them to take a step up.
AssalaamuAlaikum
I think the stone did actually move up and down like an elevator and it surely is a miracle. I think it is in Maraful Quran in the tafseer of Surah Al-Buqrah