Personal Attacks

[Hamood]

I have seen some members personally attack other members in the debates forum when the topic concerns a certain scholar or sect, etc. One member went as far as to question another members beliefs when the debate was not suppose to be about personal beliefs. To me that doesn't seem right and I think it doesn't create a healthy atmosphere for having a civil debate. Personal attacks have no room in this forum.

:jazak:

[muslim786]

Same can be said about your unneccesary threads!!! As for attacking someones beliefs if you are referring to me, you can see I was merely asking the person what he believes. I have never attacked anyones beliefs. Unlike you who has tried his utmost best to bring the name of a well respected Imam into disrepute.

[muslim786]

If you act in a good and well respected manner, people on here generally will treat you like that too. As for posts which are bad in your opinion please kindly press the bad post button, and the mods will be notified.

[Haamilul Qur'aan]

:salam:

The thread has been closed. Please keep in mind that you are brothers in Islam and as such, should speak to each other with respect and kindness. Bashing, hating, and accusing one another is definetely incorrect Muslim akhlaaq.

:salam:

[Hamood]

Brother and Sister in Islam,

"Please keep in mind that you are Brothers in Islam and should speak to eachother with respect and love. Bashing, hating, and accusing one another is definetely not in correct Muslim akhlaaq."

I would like to see where I was disrepectful to a member in that particular thread. Please let me know, I believe I was being repectful in addressing the issue. I was being respectful, I used careful wording not to offend anyone. I like everyone else in this forum can make mistakes, so if you can point out where I was rude I wouldn't mind in fact it would help me next time.

Also, this personal attacks thread was not referring to the ahmed raza khan thread, because I believe there were no personal attacks in there. But it was referring to a different thread.

Plus, I really think, you should review the ahmed raza khan thread and look closely WHO SAID WHAT. And there seems to be no reason to close it, other than the fact that muslim786 became a little too emotional/personal in the end which might have led to this decision. No hard feelings brother, but it seemed that way. Is it not also true, that a lot of threads seemed be locking and closing around you?

[Hamood]

sister ninjabi,
salaam,

One more thing, if there is a discussion going on with respectful manners, and all of a sudden someone says something which is not considered respectful to another member (like using language such as "before you mouth of"), do you decide to close that thread and put an end to what could be an interesting discussion or you simply delete/edit the disrespectful post? I would think the latter is the right thing to do since why put an end to a perfectly sensible discussion without the discussion actually being the part of the problem?

[Haamilul Qur'aan]

:salam:

My apologies. With all due respect, I would humbly like to point out that I did not mention any names in my above post. I merely stated that 'bashing, hating and accusing' is incorrect Muslim akhlaaq. I have closed the Ahmed Raza Khan thread, because I took note of a few members who may have been offended/angered. I noted the slight rise of tempers and emotions and did not want it to extend any further. As I had mentioned in that thread, if another moderator wishes to open it, then by all means, they may do so.

Also, if there is a problem with another thread, you can report it by using the 'report bad post' at the top of each post.

:salam:

[Hamood]

Same can be said about your unneccesary threads!!! As for attacking someones beliefs if you are referring to me, you can see I was merely asking the person what he believes. I have never attacked anyones beliefs. Unlike you who has tried his utmost best to bring the name of a well respected Imam into disrepute.

I think your questions were tantamount to an attack. You selected the questions which you know the other person differed on. And why would you want to know his personal beliefs when the discussion was on Al-Albani? I found that quite disrespectful brother. I'm sorry but I really did. We really need to concentrate on the discussion rather than the person. The last thing we want to do is disunite ourselves, we need more love and more wisdom to deal with such issues. We really do.

As far as the discussion on Ahmed Raza Khan, could you please tell me where I personally attacked the imam? I said earlier in that thread, and I will say this again, the discussion was suppose to be specifically about the allegations not his personal beliefs. I urge the mods to understand my point and re-open the thread.

Jazakallah.

[Hamood]

:salam:

My apologies, Akhi. With all due respect, I would humbly like to point out that I did not mention any names in my above post. I merely stated that 'bashing, hating and accusing' is not correct Muslim akhlaaq. I have closed the Ahmed Raza Khan thread, because I took note of a few members who may have been offended/angered. I noted the slight rise of tempers and emotions and did not want it to extend any further. As I had mentioned in that thread, if another moderator wishes to open it, then by all means, they may do so.

Also, if there is a problem with another thread, you can report it by using the 'report bad post' at the top of each post.

I apologize once again if I have said anything to anyone that might have been offensive/disliked.

May Allah guide us all on the Straight Path.

:salam:

Walaikum assalam,

I understand your reason to close the thread. But the point of my thread was not to anger anyone, naturally people get angered. But that would happen in any thread. I have seen a lot more anger in other threads but they remain open. I guess some issues are more sensitive than others, but I would respectfully like to point out that the discussion can be very civil if certain elements can be prevented from ruining it. Not pointing fingers, but I'm noticing a pattern. I don't think all parties can remain happy and smiling in debates. Anyway, I think that particular thread should not have been closed. But thats just my opinion, maybe I feel strongly because I didn't really get the chance to learn the issue from both sides.

[muslim786]

I think the title of your thread will answer your question in regards to attacking the Imam.

[UmmIbrahimIsa]

assalamu alaikum wr wb

bismillaahir rahmaanir raheem.
In the name of Allah, most Kind, most Merciful.

There are certain rules upon when you joined SF not to engage yet some people tend to forget when they're in a fit of anger and end up breaking the rules.
The best thing to do is when you see this or if you feel that a post is inappropriate because it falls into 'breaking of the rules' then you should report it and let a moderator take care of it as soon as they can insha'Allah.

Realize that we are all humans and we all make mistakes as well as the moderators are people too. We have online lives or responsibilities as well as offline lives and offline duties and responsibilities. We are not on 24/7 nor can we be on right when you report the post or be able to take care of it right when you send it in. However if we happen to be on when you send it in we can go and check out the matter and take care of it as soon as we can insha'Allah but we are humans too and we make mistakes, where some moderators read word for word and all the threads, some just skim through it as they have other priorities to attend to.

Again if you find a post is getting to the point of where you find it slandering someone or attacking you personally or anyone else to report it, rather than posting it within the public forum because it will just give the others to start another discussion or fight about the fighting going on and people will end up taking sides and that won't help.

This is an islamic discussion board and we need to act accordingly. Just imagine would you behave in such a manner if you were standing side by side? Would you sit there in the masjid talking amongst each other and personally attack each other as you are doing on the board here? No, instead you guys will give each other the benefit of the doubt and excuse each other for their faults and mistakes and move on. How can we expect Allah swt to be merciful and forgiving to us if we cannot do the same for our muslim brothers and sisters? Subhan'Allah, we have the opportunity to have this islamic discussion board where we can discuss islamic issues or just issues that are happening around us, and we should have the decency to be good about it and respectful and kind towards each other. We should be polite and patience and understanding with each other.
If we want people to treat us with respect we should give people respect back, and if we want people to listen to what we are saying then we should listen to what they are saying, and when i say listen i mean read about what they're saying and find the message or point that they're trying to make.
Don't think of it as a personal attack against you, unless they accuse you of something. Just remember though despite they might be pointing a finger at you, there are 4 pointing back at them, so you should ignore them trying to pick a fight with you instead just ignore it and report it. Though if you feel you can discuss it without attacking them then please feel free to do so, however if it is possible you can take the matter up in your own private gender only general rooms, like the bro only forum and exchange emails or instant messaging to take care of the issue so its between you guys and clear it up before it gets out of hand and you say things you regret, or wouldnt say in the fit of anger.
If you take care of the issue between just the two of you then it wont go public and ppl wont feel that they have to take sides.

Right now reading whats going on in this thread is making me think huh whose right and whose wrong? but then i say astagfiruAllah! its really not my concern or my business of this, its not about whose right or whose wrong its about doing the right thing as a muslim person. You have to do these things for the sake of Allah swt and i really hope you dont get offended about this and if I did offend you I apologize but this is just my naseeha to you, on how you can improve it.

We moderators appreciate the feedback you give us and comments and suggestions on how to improve the site but just remember we are humans too and we cant be online 24/7, nor can we accomodate everyone to what they want. If you do something there will always be one person disagreeing with it and you cant satisfy them all.

Now best thing for you to do is report the post and let us take care of it. If you feel as if you were picked on and that someone is favoring the other over you or whatever to take care of the issue through the gender only forum and ask the bro admins about it, as well as if it was a sis to a sis in the sis only forum. Now if its between a bro and a sis, to perhaps contact the admins in report the post to take care of the matter.
insha'Allah.

Please re-read the rules on SF, and insha'Allah we can help each other and strengthen our remembrance of Allah swt. Let's all forgive each other and move on, cuz holding a grudge wont help us..yet looking away and moving on will...:)

[muslim786]

Is it not also true, that a lot of threads seemed be locking and closing around you?

Whats this supposed to mean, like I said to you brother if you want to know the beliefs of these so called barelvis go ask their alim before you speak about their beliefs, I am sorry for using the word mouth off, but that is exactly what people on here do.

[Hamood]

Whats this supposed to mean, like I said to you brother if you want to know the beliefs of these so called barelvis go ask their alim before you speak about their beliefs, I am sorry for using the word mouth off, but that is exactly what people on here do.

salaam,

Brother, I explained earlier in that thread, my intentions were not in that particular thread to discuss the beliefs of Ahmed Raza Khan or the beliefs of Barelwis. I had absolutely no plans to do that in that thread. On the other hand, I wanted to learn/debate the following things:

1. Whether what I had read (the fatwas) were actually true or a fabricatoin?
2. Was this fatwa interpreted correctly, and was interested in knowing the different interpretations and what other members input on that was...stuff like that.
3. What was the response to this fatwa by other ulema since its been quite some time.

I mean the above 3 things are without any personal attacks attached. Although my title was not intended to attack the imam himself rather the fitna that might have been created by the fatwa, I apologize if it offended you or anyone else. I would change the title right away if I can.

Plus, lets just chill out. I apologize if I offended you or anyone else.

And as brother saleel said,

"If you can't handle the heat in the debates forum, I advise you don't enter it." :p

:salam:

[muslim786]

Also brother you can learn the barelvi beliefs from masud.co.uk.

[Hamood]

Also brother you can learn the barelvi beliefs from masud.co.uk.

:salam:

Ok thanks, I look forward to learning the Barelwi beliefs. But you keep missing my point, the ahmed raza khan thread was not my way to learn or slander him or his beliefs or the movement he founded. It was specifically about the blanket fatwa and its consequences. Maybe a detailed discussion/analysis and after knowing the reason for making the fatwa it would have led me to where you think I'm at right now (being concerned about his beliefs). ;) I really hope the mods can re-open that thread once this point has been made clear. :insh:

[Yusuf]

I agree with bro sunnilink, the thread should be re-opened inshaAllah.

[UmmIbrahimIsa]

assalamu alaikum wr wb


btw: you dont have to read all the posts or threads within this forum. It's up to you, your choice. You dont have to reply to all the posts in here if you dont want to, you dont have to read them all if you dont want to either, that's your choice up to you. But if you do reply to them please make sure to have some haya, and respect, patience and understanding. Make sure to follow the rules and give each other benefit of the doubt. Meaning no name calling, flame-baiting, back biting, slandering, gossiping, shoe flying, fingers pointing, hands smacking, computers hacking, eyes rolling, heads banging, fists smashing.....
When in doubt do without. When in anger, go drink some water, read qur'an, pray 2 rakats, make wudu...lie down...take a breather... rest.. count to ten....count to ten backwards..... read a book....play a stress reliever game, sleep...do something..
but just dont post a versus fight in here and expect people to take sides or wonder what's going on or get them involved into something they probably have no idea what its all about or do they want to know what it is all about.
cuz its not really our business, its between you guys and you guys should settle this within your own bro only room, or if you are advised by the admins or the bro moderators not to take care of it in there, then please take care of this issue off sunniforum meaning through email, instant messaging but something and resolve it or at least let it go and forgive each other and move on...insha'Allah.

if not for the sake of yourself or for the sake of your muslim brothers and sisters on here, do it for the sake of Allah swt.

To Him we come from and to Him we return.
dont let what you say on here be your last...
its better for you to make dua'ah, read quran, pray and fast.
Better to get along rather than to fight,
Hard to wander in the dark, not seeing the light.
So please can you let this drop and go
stop this nonsense, and just say no
no more bickers, no more hate
best to read what you can handle in the debate
if you cant take it, nor keep your cool
all this fighting will make you a fool
insha'Allah you can keep this forum under control
so the ppl watching in secret wont say they've scored a goal.

ok...bros and sis...pls get along ok..insha'Allah.

[Haamilul Qur'aan]

:salam:

The thread has been re-opened, :insh:.

Please note the above by sis. UmmIbrahimIsa and keep it in mind when posting.

:salam:

[Yusuf]

MashaAllah. JazakAllahu khair for re-opening. Look forward to reading the replies :)

[A D I D A S]

I have been attacked many times too!!!
Thats the way it is.

[Hamood]

I cannot seem to change the title from "Fitna of Ahmed Raza Khan" to "Fatwa of Ahmed Raza Khan". I would like to request one of the mods to make this change as I noticed that was one of the things that was disliked by a brother. Jazakallah.

[A D I D A S]

Fitnah of ahmed raza khan is the right title I think.
What fatwas? Huh

[Hamood]

Fitnah of ahmed raza khan is the right title I think.
What fatwas? Huh

I agree but I would recommend a better and more fitting title, "Ahmed Raza Khan's Takfir of Deobandis". I think the mods should change the title to that because thats whats being discussed in that thread rather than any questions being asked.



What fatwas? Huh


His fatwa calling deobandis kafirs.