Questions Regarding the Study of Nahw and Sarf...

[YousefAbusSafar]

As salaamu 'alaykum,

1.) Can someone please direct me to where I might find an online copy of "Hidaayatun Nahw" in 'Arabic? (If there is and english copy as well that would be good in addition to the 'arabic)

I prefer that it be in pdf format because none of the arabic grammar files posted here are coming out correcty on my computer.

2.) Can someone explain to me how to make the aformentioned files open properly?

I just seem to be getting a whole bunch of scattered letters and numbers thrown together on the page.

3.) Could one of the more knowledgable brothers on the forum give me some advice regarding my plans in learning arabic.

I'm up to about chapter 22 in madeenah book three, but I'm finding the aquisition of new vocabulary to be very difficult in book three due to the simply fact that there is such an abundance of new vocab in madeenah book three, even though they don't list the new words at the end of the chapter.

I'm trying to look up all the new words with dictionary.sakhr online and read them each forty to fifty times with their english meanings, but even with that, I'm finding them to be very difficult to hold on to and often forget them shortly after finishing the lesson I read them in (I'm trying to read each lesson at least nine times, so I'm really trying inshaa'allaah).

3a.) Do you advise me to go out of my way to learn the vocabulary in book three, or should I just not worry if I forget words and wait until I read them in texts in 'aqeedah, fiqh, tafseer, hadeeth, etc. and, inshaa'allaah, memorize them later?

3b.) I've been finding myself losing steem in madeenah book three due to the abundance of new vocab and need for the dictionary.

Do you reckon that having finished up to lesson 22 (more than half of book three) is enough for me to move on to books like "Binaa'ul Af'aal" and "al Aajurrumiyyah"/"Hidaayatun Nahw" and then proceed to reading books like "Qassasul Ambiya" with a dictionary and move on from there reading classical texts to build vocab?

3c.) (and lastly) What are the main differences between "al Aajurrimiyyah" and "Hidaayatun Nahw"? Is it limited to "Hidaayah" having more explanation and examples or is there more to it then that and which one do you recommend I study at my present level, if either.

My level of arabic, for those who may advise me regarding this, is such that my ability to converse is superior to my understanding as I've been living in an arabic country for more than a year, wa lillaahil hamd, so I'm conversing, albeit with a limited vocab, and still unable to understand much of the Qur'aan and books of the scholars such that I may have to go to the dictionary anywhere from 5-15 times on a page depending on the level of difficulty of the language of the given book I may be trying to read and thus have found going to books to be very discouraging at present.

I would appreciate to have as many of these questions answered as is possible by those who are qualified to answer them.

Allaah yajzeekumul khair.

Ma'as salaamah,
Yoosuf

[muhammadnur]

Salaam,

You're ahead of me in language but from what I read from books on how to learn language. You should start reading a lot more. I wouldn't worry about learning the vocab from Medina book 3. You should start reading books in the subject areas of your interest. This way the vocabulary will stick better because you're constantly going to run into it through your further reading and you already have an interest in the subject. If you're that far in the medina books you don't "need" the ajerumiyya. I've only gone over part of hidaya nahw so I can't say how much more you would need from it. But if you know what you've covered in the 3 medina books well, you can study more grammar for enhancement but you should probably schedule your time with more reading. And this phase in my opinion is the hardest because its the most tedious, because you are so dependent on the dictionary that it makes reading abit boring and cumbersome. So one way would be to read the book with someone who could translate. This way as you get to new words\phases\expressions you can just jot them down.

May Allah make it easy.

[abdullatif]

Bismillah

how long did it take you to get to book 3

[safwana]

As salaamu 'alaykum,

1.) Can someone please direct me to where I might find an online copy of "Hidaayatun Nahw" in 'Arabic? (If there is and english copy as well that would be good in addition to the 'arabic)



I prefer that it be in pdf format because none of the arabic grammar files posted here are coming out correcty on my computer.

2.) Can someone explain to me how to make the aformentioned files open properly?

I just seem to be getting a whole bunch of scattered letters and numbers thrown together on the page.

3.) Could one of the more knowledgable brothers on the forum give me some advice regarding my plans in learning arabic.

I'm up to about chapter 22 in madeenah book three, but I'm finding the aquisition of new vocabulary to be very difficult in book three due to the simply fact that there is such an abundance of new vocab in madeenah book three, even though they don't list the new words at the end of the chapter.

I'm trying to look up all the new words with dictionary.sakhr online and read them each forty to fifty times with their english meanings, but even with that, I'm finding them to be very difficult to hold on to and often forget them shortly after finishing the lesson I read them in (I'm trying to read each lesson at least nine times, so I'm really trying inshaa'allaah).

3a.) Do you advise me to go out of my way to learn the vocabulary in book three, or should I just not worry if I forget words and wait until I read them in texts in 'aqeedah, fiqh, tafseer, hadeeth, etc. and, inshaa'allaah, memorize them later?

3b.) I've been finding myself losing steem in madeenah book three due to the abundance of new vocab and need for the dictionary.

Do you reckon that having finished up to lesson 22 (more than half of book three) is enough for me to move on to books like "Binaa'ul Af'aal" and "al Aajurrumiyyah"/"Hidaayatun Nahw" and then proceed to reading books like "Qassasul Ambiya" with a dictionary and move on from there reading classical texts to build vocab?

3c.) (and lastly) What are the main differences between "al Aajurrimiyyah" and "Hidaayatun Nahw"? Is it limited to "Hidaayah" having more explanation and examples or is there more to it then that and which one do you recommend I study at my present level, if either.

My level of arabic, for those who may advise me regarding this, is such that my ability to converse is superior to my understanding as I've been living in an arabic country for more than a year, wa lillaahil hamd, so I'm conversing, albeit with a limited vocab, and still unable to understand much of the Qur'aan and books of the scholars such that I may have to go to the dictionary anywhere from 5-15 times on a page depending on the level of difficulty of the language of the given book I may be trying to read and thus have found going to books to be very discouraging at present.

I would appreciate to have as many of these questions answered as is possible by those who are qualified to answer them.

Allaah yajzeekumul khair.

Ma'as salaamah,
Yoosuf


for your answers ask faqeeh An-nafs he will advace you with the right kutubs inshallah.

[safwana]

go to this website www.fadabooks.com there is a book call nahwul wadih its a excellent kitab. ive nt prayed ir my self but i no people who have prayed it.

[YousefAbusSafar]

Jazaakumullaahu khairan for all the beneficial advices.

I don't know who the brother, Faqeehun Nafs is.

Could someone tell me how to contact him as I'm unable to use the pm function for some reason as well.

As for how long it took me to get to book three, well, it took about 3 and a half years since the time I started book one.

The reason for that is that I studied each chapter in book one, literally, about 20 times, even several times with cassettes explaining it.

I felt that would help me not forget the info, and it did make it easier since at that time, I was living in America, unable to practice what I was learning, since I only had a few arab friends and even they spoke english so I thought, if I wanted to have all the qawaa'id and vocab firm in my memory, I'd have to really go over it a lot.

In addition, I wound up changing books before I even got into book two. I switched to another book from Ann Arbor Michigan. I think it was called Modern Standard Arabic.

I went over each of the first 21 chapters with the cd explanation six times before it started to become too difficult and I realized I'd made a mistake by leaving the madeenah books and went back to them.

Once I got to my current residence, Jordan, going through book 2, was just a matter of how much effort I was putting forth. At times I wasn't studying much so I didn't make a lot of progress but eventually I started studying each chapter an average of 6 times a day till I finished the book, then went over each chapter an additional 3 times another time and the qawaa'id from book two were pretty easy to retain since I was practicing all of them due to speaking with the people and just generally being in an arabic environment, wa lillaahil hamd.

Now, since I've been in book 3, it's been taking a little while due to the fact that it's defninetely more difficult than the first two and even more so, due to the large amount of new vocab, so I often find myself putting it down for more than a month at a time.

I had decided to just study "Binaa'ul Af'aal" and "al Aajurrumiyyah" instead of it to firmen and consolidate my knowledge of nahw and sarf and complete it and then start reading books, but I'm not entirely sure what's best for me right now.

I'm able to understand "Binaa'ul Af'aal" somewhat, even without a teacher, by using the dictionary, but no doubt, I'm missing out on many of it's benefits. Unfortunately, I'm finding it difficult to memorize the verb forms from "Binaa'ul Af'aal" except the ones that I'm already using in my daily life, so I'll probably have to go over it a lot in order to retain it.

As for al Aajurrumiyyah, I'm finding that to be pretty easy now. I understand most of it from having studied the madeenah books, although there are a few things I need the dictionary for, but it's pretty easy now, wa lillaahil hamd.

Allaahu yajzeekumul khair.

Ma'a salaamah,
Yoosuf

[seyedone]

Salamz

where did you get a copy of Bina'al Al-af'al from? Ive been looking for that book.

[Yusuf]

Salamz

where did you get a copy of Bina'al Al-af'al from? Ive been looking for that book.

Wa'alaykumusalam.

I'm not sure of the matn itself is online but there's a sharh on meshkat: http://www.almeshkat.net/books/open.php?cat=16&book=1200

[Husain]

As for the Arabic problem, if u are using XP, here is a brief explanation of how to put it right.
If it doesn't work, I will give u a link to a site thats very detailed with pics.

To put arabic on to your computer do the following:

"Go to Control Panel, choose "Regional and Language options", then choose install files for complex scripts and right-left lang.you would need your XP cd for this

Thereafter choose "Details" under text services and input languages"
Under installed services choose "add" and under "input languages" select Arabic-Saudi Arabia"
Choose "Ok" then "Apply"- you would need your XP cd for this

Then go back- probably by pressing cancel.

There after choose "advanced" from the choices at the top and under the option "select the lang. to match the lang. version of the non-unicode programs you want to use" make that Arabic-Saudi Arabia.

In the table below that, check every box that has arabic. I think there are 7."


As for your learning Arabic:

My opinion is that attempting to learn the Arabic language through arabic is a waste of valuable time and effort.
You would do much better learning the grammar and sarf from a good english book, then once you have learn that, start reading arabic books non-stop, until u have a decent grammar built up.

If u had to learn French - or any other foreign language- would you choose a book in the french language or one in the english language?

I learnt Arabic through the Arabic medium - under teachers who studied in Madina- in school for more than 5 years and learnt virtually nothing except a little vocab.

In madrasah where we learnt Nahw and Sarf in English, i learnt everything I needed - perfectly- in both these fields in about 6 months!

For the next two years I used a dictionary when reading Arabic, thereafter the dictionary could be put aside, to be used on rare occasions where I come across a strange word.

There are a number of good books available in English in both Nahw and sarf.

In Nahw I would advise Tawdheeh an-Nahw by Ml.Hasan Dockrat and in Sarf "Kunuz as-Sarf" by Ml.Ebrahim Kadwa.Very good, but extremly detailed.

As for Hidayah an-Nahw, I don't think its available on the net, plus I don't think it has been translated into english.

As for the vocab, don't lose hope.

You will never remember every word you come across, you will just have to read and read and everytime you come across a word you don't remember, u open the dictionary, until you end up at the stage I was, that I could remember exactly where on the page in the dictionary most words are, as a result of checking the same word so many times!!!

[godilali]

"In Nahw I would advise Tawdheeh an-Nahw by Ml.Hasan Dockrat and in Sarf "Kunuz as-Sarf" by Ml.Ebrahim Kadwa.Very good, but extremly detailed."

Where can you purchase these books from?

[Husain]

Tawdheeh an-Nahw is published by Madrasah Arabia Islamia.
darululum@webmail.co.za

Kunuz as-Sarf by Madrasah Inamiyyah.
alinaam@yebo.co.za

You could get both from any of the two.

[godilali]

Does Kunuz as-Sarf cover weak verbs (i.e. naqis, ajwaf, lafeef, mahmooz, etc.)? I ask this , because I have a couple of english language sarf books, but none of them touch on this topic.

[Yusuf]

Here's the Hidayat al-Nahw which brother Godilali linked me to: http://www.almeshkat.net/books/open.php?cat=16&book=817

and the matn of Binaa al-Af'aal can be downloaded from here: http://www.alhazmy.net/articles_sound.aspx?id=122&first=0&t2=

[Husain]

Jazakallhu Khairaa

One point to note.
This copy of Hidayatun Nahw is a modified version.
In addition to the text, headings, summaries at the end of every chapter and questions have been added.
These extra's aren't part of the original kitab, but they are really beneficial.

[Yusuf]

Jazakallhu Khairaa

One point to note.
This copy of Hidayatun Nahw is a modified version.
In addition to the text, headings, summaries at the end of every chapter and questions have been added.
These extra's aren't part of the original kitab, but they are really beneficial.

Barakallahu feekum for pointing that out.

[MRahman]

Salaam, In terms of buying any arabic books, the best website i have found is www.neelwalfurat.com.

Hidayatun Nahw is a really good matn, and in my opnion better than ajrumiyyah as it is more detailed, if after hidayatun nahw you want to further your studies in nahw the 2 other best books i have studied are:

قطر الندى and شرح ابن عقيل , after studying these books you appreciate books like 'Hidayatun Nahw', because these books go in so deep you sometimes dont know what your studying.

My personal advice would be to any student of knwoledge is to study under the supervision of a sheikh/scholar/teacher, as knowledge is not from the books, and specially the hadith scholars warn us against the people who take from the book only, as there is only so much one can take from the books.

Finally to improve your arabic read story books, where mistakes made will not be a problem, however my advice to all is do not study any aqeedah books or fiqh books without supervision, as mistakes can have an affect on your aqeedah. قصص النبيين is a really good book to start with.

And Allah Knows Best!!!!

[godilali]

What do you think of nahwul wadih?

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.net/twealib/0298.pdf
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.net/twealib/0299.pdf
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.net/twealib/0300.pdf

[MRahman]

What do you think of nahwul wadih?

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.net/twealib/0298.pdf
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.net/twealib/0299.pdf
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.net/twealib/0300.pdf

Salaam, nahwul wadih is OK for starting nahw new in arabic as a first arabic text, but it is not as detailed as other texts.

salaam

[Abdul Malik Mujahid]

As salaamu alaikum I would like to know where I can find cassettes/CD's that have explanation of the Madinah books (the 3 book series). JazakumAllahu khairun.




As for how long it took me to get to book three, well, it took about 3 and a half years since the time I started book one.

The reason for that is that I studied each chapter in book one, literally, about 20 times, even several times with cassettes explaining it.

[muhammadnur]

As salaamu alaikum I would like to know where I can find cassettes/CD's that have explanation of the Madinah books (the 3 book series). JazakumAllahu khairun.

http://www.muhammadnur.com/medinabook1.html

[YousefAbusSafar]

As salamu 'alaykum,
Akhi, the only website that I know of that was selling them is troid dot org.

If you live outside of Canada it could take a while to arrive and sometimes their cassettes don't have the best sound quality but aside from that I will do a google search and see if I find anyplace else for you that has them insha'allah.

[YousefAbusSafar]

here's the url:

http://www.**********/store/home.php?cat=274

Those are mp3 cd's. You might want to call troid before ordering them to make sure that they are what I'm thinking they are (the actually duroos) because I'm not sure, so matter of fact, call before you order them.

Then:

http://www.**********/store/home.php?cat=288

These are the cassettes for book one and two and a few cassettes from book three. I've never seen cassettes for book three except the first few lessons.

I don't think the sound quality is likely to be a problem but you might want to call them before ordering to make sure because, like happens when dealing with mass produced cassettes on those high speed casette machines and tdk tapes, you might get a dud every now and then, so just a warning. It's not just troid, it's any place that sells cassettes in that fashion in general and maybe they've improved since I last ordered from them anyway.

By the way, just fill in troid dot org in the blanked out parts.

I'm not trying to push that website on anyone, as I have disagreements with them on some issues to, but they are the only site I know of that has these duroos so I'm just trying to help the brother find what he was looking for insha'allah and that's it.

Like always, take the good and leave the bad.

[eTeacher]

I could be wrong, but the audios for the 3 Madinah books that I've come across are just an audio rendering of the text. So there's not really any use in buying those cds/cassettes. I haven't really come across any cds/cassettes which explain all the lessons.

So be careful before you buy any audios of the set.

Salam,
nazim

[YousefAbusSafar]

Allah yajzeekal khair akhi.

I was concerned that that may have been the case with the cd's simply because I'm unfamiliar with them, but as for the cassettes, I actually used to have them even though I didn't get to use them all but I listened to the book one cassettes and some of book two and they actually are an audio explanation of the madeenah books explaining them in english.

Those are the ones on the link I provided for the cassettes, as for the cd's I can't speak on behalf of them, but the cassettes are an actual english explanation which would be much more helpful than just using the english notes in the back.

I only didn't study all the cassettes due to leaving the country and I got rid of many of my belongings but they were very beneficial.

I don't remember who did the explanation but it was very good, masha'allah, but if you feel the need to make sure you can call troid to check but this is from what I know because I used to own them.

Now that I think of it, you may be able to find them in the states as well as I just remembered another site that may sell them.

I'll get back to you with the url if they have them still insha'allah.

And jazakallahu khair E-Teacher for the e-mail for Daral 'Ulum Jamaica, NY.

[YousefAbusSafar]

Unless you find them somewhere else, I guess there is only troid for now. They didn't have them listed on the other site in the states.

I sugges, if your in doubt, you at least call troid to ask them if they are an explanation, but like I said I owned them before and bought them from troid, so unless something changed they should be (referring to the cassettes, as I don't know about the cd's, you might not want to risk it with the cd's without asking first).

[eTeacher]

http://www.muhammadnur.com/medinabook1.html

Assalamu Alaikum Brother,

Are those explanations of the books or just someone reading out the text? I would really like to hear the explanations of the books the ones Br. Yousef is talking about....

[godilali]

Brother muhammadnur's link does have brief explanations. It is not merely someone reading the text.

YousefAbusSafar: are you the user that used to be called yoosufassunnee? If so, it is nice to see you back.

[YousefAbusSafar]

As salamu 'alaykum,
Yes I did used to have the Yousef as Sunni account, wal hamdulillah.

Allah yajzeek al khair

[muhammadnur]

Allah yajzeekal khair akhi.

I was concerned that that may have been the case with the cd's simply because I'm unfamiliar with them, but as for the cassettes, I actually used to have them even though I didn't get to use them all but I listened to the book one cassettes and some of book two and they actually are an audio explanation of the madeenah books explaining them in english.

Those are the ones on the link I provided for the cassettes, as for the cd's I can't speak on behalf of them, but the cassettes are an actual english explanation which would be much more helpful than just using the english notes in the back.

I only didn't study all the cassettes due to leaving the country and I got rid of many of my belongings but they were very beneficial.

I don't remember who did the explanation but it was very good, masha'allah, but if you feel the need to make sure you can call troid to check but this is from what I know because I used to own them.

Now that I think of it, you may be able to find them in the states as well as I just remembered another site that may sell them.

I'll get back to you with the url if they have them still insha'allah.

And jazakallahu khair E-Teacher for the e-mail for Daral 'Ulum Jamaica, NY.


:salam:

sidi could you go to my site http://www.muhammadnur.com/medinabook1.html and tell me if this is the same as the cassettes you received from troid?

Muhammad-Nur

[YousefAbusSafar]

Allah yajzeekal khair akhi Muhammad.

Those are the same ones and Akhi 'Abdul Malik, no need to go to troid.

You've got all the same durus right here for free, wal hamdulillah from Akhuna Muhammad, masha'allah.

These are the exact same ones for all three books.

[eTeacher]

As salaamu alaikum I would like to know where I can find cassettes/CD's that have explanation of the Madinah books (the 3 book series). JazakumAllahu khairun.

The following site might be of use to you:

http://www.madinaharabic.com/Index.htm

Salam,
Nazim
www.xanga.com/emam

[Muaz bin jabal]

http://www.matari.com/Arabic_Lessons/ petty good lesons for madinah arabic book 1 an 2 diffrent from the other link

[SeekerOfGuidance]

There are a number of good books available in English in both Nahw and sarf.

In Nahw I would advise Tawdheeh an-Nahw by Ml.Hasan Dockrat and in Sarf "Kunuz as-Sarf" by Ml.Ebrahim Kadwa.Very good, but extremly detailed.

As for Hidayah an-Nahw, I don't think its available on the net, plus I don't think it has been translated into english.



:salam:

I have a book called "A simplified Arabic Grammer" by Maulana Hasan Dockrat. Is that the same book as Tawdheeh an-Nahw and if not what are the differences?

:jazak:

[Husain]

:ws:

Yes, it is the same book.