A question for "YaNabi"

[faqir]

Asalamu alaykum Akhi,

I've visited the YaNabi site. Its quite nice - especially for Shaykh Hamza Yusuf talks but Bro that forum is pretty nasty. What do you think?

[YaNabi]

Assalamualaikum wr wb wm wa brother Faqir

well its true that our forums have quite often been a victim of "Emotions", we at YaNabi always work hard to the best of our ability and our site covers such broad spectrum and we are also in our initial stages, these factors usually prevent us to have a better control over all. but the will is there to look into all issues AlHamduLILLAH.

Lack of communication is also one of the reason which leads to misunderstanding, suspicion, rumours and what not which prevents parties involved to reach a final stable conclusion.

As we all know the blame game and finger pointing is a never ending vicious circle which costs lots of time and energy and even worst fruits no Result, merely acts as a log for the fire. Sooner this fire extinghuishes the better, hmm now how can that be done with out scarificing the Unity of Sunnis? Here comes the need of intellectuals who have sheer determination and passion for Islaam.

Most of the members are growing so are their perespectives and ways of doing things change as they grow. I my self who was primarily a very staunch opposer of Deobands have changed and my stand is not as same as it use to be when i earlier join YaNabi Managment. I have begin trying to judge more on individual basis rather than generalising, painting everyone with same brush and see how the gaps can be changed with bridges.

Slowly but steadily InshaALLAh YaNabi will continually be going under changes to get better and better and for that Brothers like Faqir's comments are extremely vital for the Healthy Growth & Existence of any Site.

We would like and hope from the bottom of our heart that our fellow Muslim Brothers and Sisters show some initiative in helping YaNabi out in this aspect, by having suggestions and realistic workable ideas. Because end of the day brother Faqir, people like you can make all the difference.

JazaakAllahKhair
Wa^assalaam
YaNabi Seravnt

[Abu Usama]

Salam,


We would like and hope from the bottom of our heart that our fellow Muslim Brothers and Sisters show some initiative in helping YaNabi out in this aspect, by having suggestions and realistic workable ideas. Because end of the day brother Faqir, people like you can make all the difference.

yes, i also have a suggestion. Remove this (http://www.***********/activeweb.cfm?a_id=810) garbage written against the deobandis, if you can.

Wasalam

[Saleel]

:salam:

YaNabi, my suggestion would be to remove the slander that was posted on the forums about me being a Wahhabi. That wasn't nice!

Also, please stick to this rule on sunniforum.com: email addresses are not allowed to be posted. I've had to remove your address from all three of your posts already.

Also, until your site stops posting slander against Deobandi's, the link to the site will not be permitted on sunniforum.com.

:jazak:

:salam:

[Abu Usama]

salam,

i strongly suggest that we all listen to the first 22 minutes of this (http://www.malik.net/.islam/mp3/lectures/hamza_yusuf/Dajjaal-007.mp3) part of a speech by shaykh hamza yusuf from 1998.

[YaNabi]

I will not only remove the "garbage" brother but would love to publish if any intellectual addresses the points/objections raised. The end - case solved.

isnt clearing the doubts the whole point!!

Unity cannot be reached by hiding things, u tell me can it be? then that unity will not last long and it will be a fake unity. As a Muslim its fardh on you address those points raised and clarify them so that they no longer be riased by some Muslims.

if so and so says something and if find it wrong...what do i do? i contact him/her show the picture which i am aware off. this how things r solved.

we can just like in all the others threads in many diff forums can have 200 page long debate! but will that leave anyone convince...i dont think so!

Please brother Usama i have emailed u...and many times in yanabi forums as well have asked u to shed some light on those objections....so that atleast this and the future generations can have little good time


so the proper thing would be we both clarify eachothers objections thats it!

if u can tell me that all those points r lies then plz send me a point by answer of it and i will publish it make sure that it should answer the objection made rather each answer causes 10 more questions.

we have even fwd u the video

one can say its lie, its hoax, its consiprasy and what not but will it solve the issue? No it wont.

i dont beleive in debates, u address all the points

and if u have any objections regarding our beleifs we will try our best to answer u...thats the most both the parties can do and must do to answer eachother to the best of their ability!

now comment whether certain point is 1.False/Wrong or 2.being taken out of context or 3.it never existed?

if its is false then what can be done about that?

if its has been taken out of context well then what is suppose to mean correctly?

if it never existed then from where did it end up in the book being referred?


these r the real questions...and it need convincable answers...and its not about u and me its about millions of muslims....


wa^assalaam

[YaNabi]

and i assure u all if someone answers it just how wonderfully Mufti Adam answers the objections

YaNabi will be the first site to spread the word around and put all its effort to shorten the GAP!!

I promise...this is any honest attempt from me and i await for same.

[YaNabi]

Brother Saleel whats ur id on YaNAbi i will definetly look into it!

[Abu Usama]

please read this (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=anti-deobandi+material&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=8jp5pp%24rmf%241%40samba.rahul.net&rnum=1)

and also, since you are persisting in this topic of "clearing issue up", why don't you clear up the statements from Imam ahmed raza khan berelvi found on http://ahnaaf.tripod.com?

[Saleel]

:salam:

Brother Saleel whats ur id on YaNAbi i will definetly look into it!
My ID was Saleel Majeed. I used "was" because I choose not to go on to such a filthy forum anymore :)

My replies were deleted by your mods, whereas the slander against me was kept. I would appreciate it if the slander is also removed :insh:.

:jazak:

:salam:

[iqadeer]

Assalam 'Allaikum,

The charges against the founding fathers and noble Scholars of Deoband are incorrect. This is what I believe. How could I believe that Shaykh Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, a servant of Allah who devoted his life for spreading the noble traditions of Allah's beloved messenger and purifying souls through tazkiyya have a belief that Allah has lied!!! Even a sinful and ignorant person of my stature realizes better than that then how is it that a Saint of Allah remain ignorant of such a belief? A person who aquired 'ilm from the likes of Shah Abdul Ghani Naqshbandi and tazkiyya from Hadhrat Haji Imdad ullah Muhajjir Makki. Let's be careful with respect to entertaining such thoughts about people of taqwa, as it was evident from his lifestyle.

This is a question for you my respected brother, Yanabi.

Secondly, a notable Syrian Hanafi Scholar, Shaykh Ramadan Bouti has given a similar reply regarding this question, which can be found at

http://www.bouti.com/bouti_e_fatawa_c14.htm#18

Can we say that Shaykh Ramadan's understanding of this issue is twisted as well? No, this is an established position and not just an opinion of Shaykh Rashid Ahmed Gangohi that he somehow arrived at. This is exactly what Shaykh Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri has explained in al-Muhannad.

If you agree with the above, it is enough to prove that Shaykh Ahmad Rida's allegation was untrue. In this matter, I find the safest course to take is to consider the Ulema of Deoband as innocent. If we do that, we can make Husn-e-Zann that Shaykh Ahmed Rida made the wrong ijtihad in declaring them infidels. However, if we agree with Shaykh Ahmed Rida's opinion, we will be forced to harbor grudge against Sunni scholars of Islam and this might be spiritually harmful for us.

Allah knows best.

[YaNabi]

Brother Usama i cannot reply u on this....things being said r out of my reach...i will begin with contacting Brother Jehangir of Ala_Hazrat yahoo group ...let me see what he and his members has to say about the link u brought to my attention and for which u seek answers.

in the mean time plz if u want this to be solved prepare to address the objection raised by Barelvis.

i am ready to get this thing solved as much as possible.....even if we could get one doubt clarify that will be huge success.

[Abu Usama]

in the mean time plz if u want this to be solved prepare to address the objection raised by Barelvis.

It is not possuble for me to do so, since i do not have access to the primary sources. However, i again urge you to read this reply (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=anti-deobandi+material&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=8jp5pp%24rmf%241%40samba.rahul.net&rnum=1) which contains some refutations from GF Haddad from 4 years ago. Now someone might say "oh don't quote him, he changes his mind" etc, but the point is not him, the point is that he is bringing daleel which clearly contradicts many of the positions taken by the okarvi muqallids.

[Abu Usama]

Assalam 'Allaikum,

Can we say that Shaykh Ramadan's understanding of this issue is twisted as well? No, this is an established position and not just an opinion of Shaykh Rashid Ahmed Gangohi that he somehow arrived at. This is exactly what Shaykh Khalil Ahmad Saharanpuri has explained in al-Muhannad.

Allah knows best.

Salam,

I have to disagree to this. I'm not saying its kufr (because its not) but to attribute kadhib to Allah is wrong. There was no debate on this before shah ismaeel dhelvi brought it up. And i'm talking about the specific word "kadhib" (to lie) because in terms of aqeedah, the asharis do hold that Allah (swt) can act contrary to what he has said, but will not do so (but nobody called this kadhib) so that for example, he has promised to throw firawn in the fire, but is able to not do so, but will not go against what he himself has said.

The problem is the use of that word because of what it denotes, rather than what the ulema-e-deoband meant by it. Because what the word implies is an imperfection of Allah (swt) which is unacceptable.

[muslim786]

Salam,

I have to disagree to this. I'm not saying its kufr (because its not) but to attribute kadhib to Allah is wrong. There was no debate on this before shah ismaeel dhelvi brought it up. And i'm talking about the specific word "kadhib" (to lie) because in terms of aqeedah, the asharis do hold that Allah (swt) can act contrary to what he has said, but will not do so (but nobody called this kadhib) so that for example, he has promised to throw firawn in the fire, but is able to not do so, but will not go against what he himself has said.

The problem is the use of that word because of what it denotes, rather than what the ulema-e-deoband meant by it. Because what the word implies is an imperfection of Allah (swt) which is unacceptable.

Assalamulikum WR WB,

Fully agreed brother Abu Usama. Imperfections can never be attributed to Allah SWT. And to dispel the other arguement that this limits Allah SWT, as everyone knows Allah SWT is NOT and cannot have been begotten, but does this limit Allah :astagh: , lieing is a similar imperfection and should be treated the same, also it has grave consequences if it were possible, just think about it.

Allah SWT Knows best and is above all imperfections.

[iqadeer]

Assalam 'Allaikum,

My intent here was not to stir up a debate or a controversy but somehow I have succeeded in it :( .


At this point, I don't find this debate worth pursuing any further. I will, however, leave the objectors to ponder over the following words of Shaykh Ramadan Bouti's answer:

"He is not disabled to do so, but He is exalted to commit indecencies and all misdeeds, for it is firmly established that He is qualified with all the attributes of perfection and exalted from all the attributes of defects by His own free decision"

[Ansari]

Are there any barelvi's who say deobandi's are not wahhabi's?

[faqir]

From the Guiding Helper website (Maliki fiqh / Ashari Creed)

> Another scholar by the name of Khalil Ahmad Ambetwi
> Saharanpuri in his Baraheen-e-Qaati`ah (pg. 278, lines
> 13,14 Kutub Khana Imdadiya, Deoband) quotes Gangohi's
> self-defense in the Fatawa Rashidiyya:
> "This is the meaning of Imkaan-e-kizb (possibility of telling a
> lie) that Allah Ta`ala has the power of telling lies but
> this will not happen."
>
> In the beginning of Baraheen-e-Qaati`ah (page 6 Kutub Khana
> Imdadiya, Deoband) Khalil Ahmad Ambetwi Saharanpuri wrote
> that "the question of [attributing Allah Most High the
> power of] lying has not only been raised just now but there
> has always been a debate on this issue by previous Ulema."
>
> Are these views a part of the Sunni tradition because the
> central mosque of my area tells me that such beliefs are
> kufr [!!?]. Sorry to have to bother you with this but it
> seems a bit confusing. I know you mentioned that we don’t
> go around making takfir on people and I am not suggesting
> that at all but I was wondering if this issue or concept
> existed in the past among our shuyukh or is this something
> that has newly appeared under the name of our previous Ulama?




Very few issues are genuinely new. This issue has been
dealt with by our scholars in the past.

Now, we think we are beginning to understand your true question.
Your true question is:

a) Can Allah act against His previous word or command?
This is what the scholars you quote are calling
"Imkan al-Kadhib" (perhaps a bad choice of words).

The answer given by the `Ash`ari and Maturidi scholars is that:

"Yes. It is contingently possible for Allah to
act against His previous word. But, Allah is
true to His word and we can say with surety
that it won't happen. This is the meaning
of the verses in the Qur'an that state:

"wa law laa kalimatun sabaqat..."

"If it were not for a word already issued by Allah,..."

[al-Qur'an 10:19]"

Thus, it is not kufr to believe such, but is part of the
`Ash`ari and Maturidi aqidah system which allows Allah
the right to perform all contingent actions as the
Qur'an states - "wa huwa `alaa kulli shay'in qadeer"

Reference:
[{al-Durr al-Thamin Sharh al-Murshid al-Mu`in,
discussion on wajib al-`aradi and wajib al-dhaati
in section describing the three types of rational
statements}]

[faqir]

The False Allegation
Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, a founder of Deobandi Movement has the following
beliefs:
1. The Almighty Allah can speak a lie. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 1 pg. 20)
2. Allah has already spoken a lie (Taqseedul Qadeer pg. 79).

The Truth



The view of Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi Saheb is that Allah is far
above and pure from being attributed with falsehood. There is no blemish of
falsehood in His words at all for Allah says, 'Who is more truthful than
Allah in speech.' He who believes that Allah speaks a lie is an accursed
outright Kaafir and opposed to the Qurãn and Sunnah. (Fataawa Rashidiyya
part 1 pg. 3)

Clarification (I)


Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 84:

'From servant Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, after Salaam
Masnoon, you have inquired concerning the Masalah 'Imkaane Kizb'
(possibility of falsehood). But 'Imkaane Kizb' in the sense that Allah Taãla
has the power to act contrary to what He has ordered, but will not to do
with His Free Will, is the belief of this servant. The Qurãn Shareef and the
Sahih Ahaadith bear testimony to this belief, and this is the belief of all
the Ulama of the Ummah too. For example, Firáwn is promised to be thrown
into Hell, but Allah Taãla has the power to enter him into paradise,
although He will never give him paradise. And this is the Masalah under
discussion at the moment. This is the belief of all my friends. The enemies
must have related it differently. Referring to this Power and the
non-occurrence of it is termed 'Imkaane Zaati' and 'Mumtana bi Ghayr'

Was salaam

Rashid Ahmad Gangohi.

Look, how they lay waiting with vicious, malicious attempts to defame this
noble personality. If it is not slander then what is it?

To distort the above mentioned Masalah and refer it to Hadhrat Moulana
Rashid Ahmad Gangohi Saheb is totally evil and wrong. It is a slander and
slander is worse than back-biting,

Clarification (II)


Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 90:

'That person who believes or utters with the
tongue concerning Allah Taãla that "He spoke a lie", is positively a Kaafir,
an accursed and opposed to the Qurãn, Hadith and the unanimity of the Ummah.
He is definitely not a Mu'min. Taãlallaahu ammaa yaqoolu dhaalimoona oluwwan
kabeeraa. (Allah is far above from what the transgressors are saying).'



The misrepresenter, besides being involved with misrepresentation, has
earned the wrath of Allah. Let the Hadith of the Master of the Green Dome
once again ring in his ears. 'A person does not target another with impiety
or a person does not target another with Kufr, but it returns to the former
if the latter is not guilty of it.' (Bukhari)

Taqdeesul Qadeer is not compiled by the Ulama of Deoband. In fact there is
no such Kitaab by this name.

[mujahida]

Assalam Alaikum

Well, this is my first post here on this forum.

I don't think that 'YaNabi' is a suitable name. Say 'Ya(any of Allah's names)'

Assalam Alaikum

[YaNabi]

Assalamualaikum

Sister Mujahidah would u please tell us all why you think YaNabi is not a suitable name?

[Hamood]

Yanabi is one of the sites which don't bridge gaps but they create more fitnah. You can just tell by visiting their forums, its nothing but fitnah. (no offense to the member 'yanabi')

[YaNabi]

Sunnilink, every one is entitile to have their views...anyways thanks for speaking ur mind. Perhaps u can suggest us how bridges can be build.

Sister Mujahida i look fwd for ur reply

[Saeed Mazhar]

It is not possuble for me to do so, since i do not have access to the primary sources. However, i again urge you to read this reply (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=anti-deobandi+material&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=8jp5pp%24rmf%241%40samba.rahul.net&rnum=1) which contains some refutations from GF Haddad from 4 years ago. Now someone might say "oh don't quote him, he changes his mind" etc, but the point is not him, the point is that he is bringing daleel which clearly contradicts many of the positions taken by the okarvi muqallids.

I read the google group link that you gave.
I do not know if you are searching for truth or trying to defend deobandis here.

In point 1) Allah can speak a lie, Shaykh Haddad gives the benefit of the doubt that Rashid Gangohi meant something else. If you look at his book review of Taqwiyatul Iman, he states:

Ismāīl Dihlawī was the first of the Wahhābīs of India to forward the heresy of imkān kadhib or - the possibility of lying - (on the part of Allāh Most High!) and was imitated in this belief by the Deobandīs Shaykhs Ahmad Rashīd Gangohi (d. 1323/1905) in his Fatawa-e-Rashidia and his apologist Khalīl al-Saharanfūrī (d. 1927) in his al-Barāhīn al-Qātia.


Shaykh Haddad may have written that google group post when he may have not known complete details of the deobandi texts. In many of the points he speculates and says that it may have been taken out of context, or he cant imagine a scholar uttering these words.

But they are there alright, in those books of Ulema-e-Deoband.


wassalam.

[Saeed Mazhar]

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12042#post12042


The False Allegation
Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, a founder of Deobandi Movement has the following
beliefs:
1. The Almighty Allah can speak a lie. (Fataawa Rashidiyya part 1 pg. 20)
2. Allah has already spoken a lie (Taqseedul Qadeer pg. 79).

The Truth



The view of Hadhrat Moulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi Saheb is that Allah is far
above and pure from being attributed with falsehood. There is no blemish of
falsehood in His words at all for Allah says, 'Who is more truthful than
Allah in speech.' He who believes that Allah speaks a lie is an accursed
outright Kaafir and opposed to the Qurãn and Sunnah. (Fataawa Rashidiyya
part 1 pg. 3)

Clarification (I)


Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 84:

'From servant Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, after Salaam
Masnoon, you have inquired concerning the Masalah 'Imkaane Kizb'
(possibility of falsehood). But 'Imkaane Kizb' in the sense that Allah Taãla
has the power to act contrary to what He has ordered, but will not to do
with His Free Will, is the belief of this servant. The Qurãn Shareef and the
Sahih Ahaadith bear testimony to this belief, and this is the belief of all
the Ulama of the Ummah too. For example, Firáwn is promised to be thrown
into Hell, but Allah Taãla has the power to enter him into paradise,
although He will never give him paradise. And this is the Masalah under
discussion at the moment. This is the belief of all my friends. The enemies
must have related it differently. Referring to this Power and the
non-occurrence of it is termed 'Imkaane Zaati' and 'Mumtana bi Ghayr'

Was salaam

Rashid Ahmad Gangohi.

Look, how they lay waiting with vicious, malicious attempts to defame this
noble personality. If it is not slander then what is it?

To distort the above mentioned Masalah and refer it to Hadhrat Moulana
Rashid Ahmad Gangohi Saheb is totally evil and wrong. It is a slander and
slander is worse than back-biting,

Clarification (II)


Fataawa Rashidiyya pg. 90:

'That person who believes or utters with the
tongue concerning Allah Taãla that "He spoke a lie", is positively a Kaafir,
an accursed and opposed to the Qurãn, Hadith and the unanimity of the Ummah.
He is definitely not a Mu'min. Taãlallaahu ammaa yaqoolu dhaalimoona oluwwan
kabeeraa. (Allah is far above from what the transgressors are saying).'



The misrepresenter, besides being involved with misrepresentation, has
earned the wrath of Allah. Let the Hadith of the Master of the Green Dome
once again ring in his ears. 'A person does not target another with impiety
or a person does not target another with Kufr, but it returns to the former
if the latter is not guilty of it.' (Bukhari)

Taqdeesul Qadeer is not compiled by the Ulama of Deoband. In fact there is
no such Kitaab by this name.

["aur ghanay choopo"]

how do we indeed?
perhaps going back to the classical scholars that both sided agree on?

["aur ghanay choopo"]

how do we indeed?
perhaps going back to the classical scholars that both sided agree on?

i mean't the deobandi/berailvi khilaf

[Saeed Mazhar]

please read this (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=anti-deobandi+material&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=8jp5pp%24rmf%241%40samba.rahul.net&rnum=1)

and also, since you are persisting in this topic of "clearing issue up", why don't you clear up the statements from Imam ahmed raza khan berelvi found on http://ahnaaf.tripod.com?

I dont know if this clears up the statements of Imam Ahmed Raza Khan or not, but here are some links for you to add to the Ahnaf site:

Aalahazrat Par 150 Etrazat Kay Jawabat (http://www.*****************/Library/UrduBooks/AalahazratPar150EtrazatKayJawabat/AalahazratPar150EtrazatKayJawabat.html)

Charges Levelled against Imam Ahmed Raza (http://www.************/Mujaddid/Mujaddid_Charges%20Levelled.htm)

In defense of Imam Ahmed Raza Khan (http://www.************/Mujaddid/Mujaddid_In%20Defence.htm)


I am sick of this Deobandi/Barelvi debate.
Can't we talk about something else on this forum?

["aur ghanay choopo"]

i mean't the deobandi/berailvi khilaf

but what of the ignorance that is prevalant in the indo/pak, why not work together to iradicate that, rather then falling out on fiqhi issues, i mean their probably are dodgy goings on but the berailvy ulama aided with their deo bandi brethren should work together to get rid of.
Also if their are unacceptable things in either sides books why not reject them, removing them from the text or framing and footnoting categorically where an 'alim has made an error?
both sides acting firmly on this, whilst leaving furui issues as a difference of opinion?

but human beings what they are, i dont see it happening, not unless we change what is inside us?

[Muawiyah]

The Maliki Guiding Helper site on Imkaan al- Kadhib (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11649&postcount=19)

They say it's the correct Ashari and Maturidi aqeedah.

[Saeed Mazhar]

Shaykh Haddad on the correct aqeedah (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12040&postcount=10)


The Maliki Guiding Helper site on Imkaan al- Kadhib (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11649&postcount=19)

They say it's the correct Ashari and Maturidi aqeedah.

["aur ghanay choopo"]

Who?
its a basic Maliki text

[Hamood]

Sunnilink, every one is entitile to have their views...anyways thanks for speaking ur mind. Perhaps u can suggest us how bridges can be build.

:salam:

Everyone is entitled to have their views, but what is going on on your site is pretty obvious, and when the public forms a general opinion you ought to take it seriously. A lot of people think your site creates more differences rathen than building bridges. My suggestion would be the best way to build bridges is shut down your site, I bet more bridges could be built that way. Or simply concentrate on other more relevant issues, not a whole lot of people are interested in knowing why the deobandis are wahabis, and of course nobody cares why you think that way either.

[YaNabi]

assalamualaikum wr wb wm wr wa Brothers and Sisters..Eid Mabrook!

well well well...all this talk...balme game can simply never end....where have we reached...few brothers and sisters have complained...i did seriously want them to think for a second if anyone complains to them in that manner would they like to correct it...or would they feel strongly to correct it...i dont think so...in this forum...most of the time brotherhood and dignity is well maintained even when the quite controversial issues are being discussed...now y the members of yanabi r not even being treated like muslims...its so common that to find on ur site..hug a salafi (to whom deobandis, tableeghi jamaat are aswell biddatis and mushrikeen's...basically in their opinion a cult...who is on a deviated path)...and sympathy for wahabis and ikhwanis...and for so many other people...but no love no sympathy for those who r hanafi and maturidi just like u but r aswell sympathetic to barelvis!

brother sunni link...dont u see that yanabi is one of the biggest Sunni Traditional Islamic site on the world wide web...and above that we have close to 50k its on daily basis mashaAllah...and we r fairly new....our email accounts gets filled with the prayers and thank you letters which people send us from all over the planet...brother i understand there is some stuff on our site which u will not agree with...but site is not only all about that...what have u or ur site have done to build bridges?...u must have build bridges with everyone but have u with any barelvis?....man its about time ur site take a stand and come to accept who and what is the defination of ahlus sunnah wal jamaah....love peace tolerance all can always be maintained but let at least first clear our positions.......salaaam

i apolagise in advance if i have somehow offended to anyone!

[suhayl]

Salaams

Brother with the username "Ya Nabi", could you please choose another ID please?

It feels uncomfortable saying "Ya Nabi" when replying to your posts. We don't want to be calling you "Ya Nabi" everytime we want to reply to you because you are not a prophet.

Secondly we have had members who have been a little uneasy with such a username, so let's build bridges (for benefit of everyone) and choose a new name, inshallah.

Jazakallah Khair.

[YaNabi]

assalamualaikum

my name is ibrahim

it may not be quite appropriate to name my self YaNabi...the reason i chosed that id...so that brothers and sisters know i am part of YaNabi team...lot of people seems to have rong picture of the site ....and i am sure few still do....i can be approached...this is the first step towards bridge building

as for calling Ya RasoolAllah or YaNabi to our Holy Prophet (sawawaws).....for more details on that plz check sunnah.org or sunnipath.com or masud.co.uk

[suhayl]

Mashallah, nice name, brother Ibrahim.

I understand the point you are making and have checked the sites you have mentioned. Though it would be preferable if you did choose a different ID, whether it is to promote your site or not.

As you mentioned yourself


it may not be quite appropriate to name my self YaNabi

Jazakallah Khair

[YaNabi]

assalamualaikum

i think i did justify why i chosed that id....inshaAllah i will have new id soon

[Abu Usama]

To brother Ibraheem (i presume, although it could be one of the others i guess).

You talk about bridge building here, but in reality at the same time your actions on your own site testify that you are merely performing lip service to this and nothing else. Just carry on deluding yourselves brothers, but know that you will be held accountable for the others you lead astray aswell.

I finally decided to take the advice of the ulema and not get involved with such peoples as yourselves over at that shia/khwaarij influenced so-called berelvi site. May Allah (swt) enable us all to staw away from the shayatheen amongst the jinn and men. Ameen.

[suhayl]

i think i did justify why i chosed that id....inshaAllah i will have new id soon

Whether you justified choosing the ID or not is besides the point and I did not say you didn't justify choosing it.

Thanks for co operating

[suhayl]

Salaams Ibraheem

Please post a message in the brothers section stating your new ID.

We will then EDIT this one to the new one.

Jazakallah Khair

Wasalaams