Deobandi

[Ali08]

Can someone please explain what deobandi is and what their beliefs are, how they originated, how many followers there are, etc.?

[Omar HH]

Deobandis are just Sunnis.

Deoband is a place in India that has a really big center of Islamic learning called Darul `Uloom Deoband. If someone graduates from that school or their madrassa system then they are called "Deobandis"

Just like if someone graduates from al-Azhar they are called Azharis.

Most Deobandis are Hanafis in fiqh.

They are not a sect - just people who graduated from a particular school.

:jazak:

[eTeacher]

The following should be helpful as well:

http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/

sincerely,
nazim mangera

[Ali08]

Deobandis are just Sunnis.

Deoband is a place in India that has a really big center of Islamic learning called Darul `Uloom Deoband. If someone graduates from that school or their madrassa system then they are called "Deobandis"

Just like if someone graduates from al-Azhar they are called Azharis.

Most Deobandis are Hanafis in fiqh.

They are not a sect - just people who graduated from a particular school.

:jazak:
So it's just the name of a school. Do they generally have a strict belief or anything? Or does it vary? So it wasnt any way of thinking or anything. When did it originate?

[Omar HH]

It's just the name of a school. The people in that school have a specific way of thought. Their beliefs are the same as the Sunni belief it's just that some of the members of that school disagree with minor secondary issues which have difference of opinions both way. They tend to be very strict in fiqh (law) because they are very pro-Sunnah.

For example if you goto a Deobandi website you will see they have some stricter rulings on some things than an Arab Hanafi website or a Moroccan Maliki website. That is because the people from that school are generally stricter on following the Sunnah.

Their belief is the same as the Sunni belief which is following the beliefs of the Salaf, Sahbaa, Ahlul Bayt and Muslim tradition which were written down by Imam Tahawi, Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam al-Ghazali, Imam al-Ash`ari, Imam al-Maturidi, Imam al-Sanusi, Imam al-Haddad, Imam Ibn `Ashir and many more in there various books on `Aqeedah - which consist in writing down the beliefs of the Sahaba, Salaf, Ahlul Bayt, and Muslim tradition onto a peice of paper.

:jazak:

Yes the Deobandis are a school. They are not a sect or another belief. They are just a school which puts emphasis on the Sunnah. This is how I can best describe it.

It's the same as the Azharis which are a school and have their own emphasis.

:jazak:

[Ali08]

The following should be helpful as well:

http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/

sincerely,
nazim mangera
thanks for the link

[Ali08]

It's just the name of a school. The people in that school have a specific way of thought. Their beliefs are the same as the Sunni belief it's just that some of the members of that school disagree with minor secondary issues which have difference of opinions both way. They tend to be very strict in fiqh (law) because they are very pro-Sunnah.

For example if you goto a Deobandi website you will see they have some stricter rulings on some things than an Arab Hanafi website or a Moroccan Maliki website. That is because the people from that school are generally stricter on following the Sunnah.

Their belief is the same as the Sunni belief which is following the beliefs of the Salaf, Sahbaa, Ahlul Bayt and Muslim tradition which were written down by Imam Tahawi, Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam al-Ghazali, Imam al-Ash`ari, Imam al-Maturidi, Imam al-Sanusi, Imam al-Haddad, Imam Ibn `Ashir and many more in there various books on `Aqeedah - which consist in writing down the beliefs of the Sahaba, Salaf, Ahlul Bayt, and Muslim tradition onto a peice of paper.

:jazak:

Yes the Deobandis are a school. They are not a sect or another belief. They are just a school which puts emphasis on the Sunnah. This is how I can best describe it.

It's the same as the Azharis which are a school and have their own emphasis.

:jazak:

I kind of like that. So you can follow that and be strict but don't have to change beliefs like I was leaning towards Hanbali because they are stricter but I liked the Hanafi basics. So you can still be Hanafi and be strict.

[Omar HH]

Yes brother.

The Qur'an says "Ask Ahlul Dhikr if you do not know"

Prophet :saw: said that if the Qadi makes a mistake when he gives a ruling he is given one good deed.

The Salaf said "Differences of opinion in the Ummah of Muhammad :saw: is a mercy for the people"

All of which points to the fact that if you follow a valid Mujtahid Mutalaq (Abu Hanifa, Shafi`i, Malik, Ahmad) or a Mujtahid within a madhab that you will have a valid way of following.

Therefore we should follow the scholars in our actions. Yet not engage in talfiq which means to follow two or more scholars in one action that both scholars or madhabs or mujtahids would find invalid. For example do Wudu like a Hanafi and then break it with what breaks it with the Hanafi madhab and so you say you follow Shafi`i.

Yet the scholars of spirituality have stated it is better to follow one madhab in all actions so that one will grow spiritually and not follow his desires. Following your desires and picking the weakest opinion of all madhabs is not allowed.

:jazak:

[Sunni_Student786]

..... They tend to be very strict in fiqh (law) because they are very pro-Sunnah.

For example if you goto a Deobandi website you will see they have some stricter rulings on some things than an Arab Hanafi website or a Moroccan Maliki website. That is because the people from that school are generally stricter on following the Sunnah......
:jazak:

Bro Omar,

I know that you did not mean for your statement to sound as if Arab Hanafis or Moroccan Malikis are not strict about following the Sunnah, but that is how it came out.

The Ulema of Deoband and, in fact, all Orthodox Ulema are strict about following the Sunnah, it is just that the Ulema of Deoband tend to emphasize Hadith text and are more likely to consider the abandoning of particular Sunnahs as sinful, or makruh i tahrimi (i.e. makruh bordering on haraam). They are also more likely to approach with caution a non-Sunnah, yet still not expressly prohibited, thing (e.g. the Mawlid an Nabi) or way of doing something, than some of their non-Deobandi counterparts.

At the end of the day, all Orthodox scholars, if they are truly worthy of wearing the label, are strict in following the Sunnah.

[Omar HH]

Bro Omar,

I know that you did not mean for your statement to sound as if Arab Hanafis or Moroccan Malikis are not strict about following the Sunnah, but that is how it came out.

The Ulema of Deoband and, in fact, all Orthodox Ulema are strict about following the Sunnah, it is just that the Ulema of Deoband tend to emphasize Hadith text and are more likely to consider the abandoning of particular Sunnahs as sinful, or makruh i tahrimi (i.e. makruh bordering on haraam). They are also more likely to approach with caution a non-Sunnah, yet still not expressly prohibited, thing (e.g. the Mawlid an Nabi) or way of doing something, than some of their non-Deobandi counterparts.

At the end of the day, all Orthodox scholars, if they are truly worthy of wearing the label, are strict in following the Sunnah.

Oh no I do not mean that.

I mean that the Deobandis emphasize it to a large extent - such as it being a sin to have your pants below your ankles. While in the Maliki madhab it is not even makruh.

:jazak:

[muslim786]

Oh no I do not mean that.

I mean that the Deobandis emphasize it to a large extent - such as it being a sin to have your pants below your ankles. While in the Maliki madhab it is not even makruh.

:jazak:

But the point is in the Maliki madhab that view is considered to be the sunnah.

[thetruth]

The following should be helpful as well:

http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/

sincerely,
nazim mangera

Asalamualaikum, are you by any chance related to Abdurrahman Ibn Yusuf Mangera?

[hope_n_fear]

Oh no I do not mean that.

I mean that the Deobandis emphasize it to a large extent - such as it being a sin to have your pants below your ankles. While in the Maliki madhab it is not even makruh.

:jazak:

:salam:

How do the Maliki scholars interpret the hadith that states whatever's below ankle would be in fire?

:ws:

[mummum]

Just for my knowledge: Is it not even a established Sunnah not to cover ankles?

[Omar HH]

The Malikis say it is a minor mandub to have your pants above the ankles from what I have learned.

:jazak:

[hope_n_fear]

The Malikis say it is a minor mandub to have your pants above the ankles from what I have learned.

:jazak:

:salam:

Mandub meaning?

:ws:

[Omar HH]

:salam:

Mandub meaning?

:ws:

A good deed, reccomended, "mustahab."

In the Maliki madhab here are the types of reccomended actions:

Sunnah (strong mandub)
Raghibah (medium mandub)
Fadilah (weak mandub)
Nafilah (very weak mandub)

A Sunnah would be praying witr and the `id prayers for example.
A raghibah would be 2 rak`ats before Fajr.
A fadilah would be to pray taraweeh.
A nafiilah would be the Istikhara prayer.

:jazak:

[hope_n_fear]

:salam:

So pants above ankle is a minor mandub, meaning, if done then rewarded, if not then no sin?
But isn't the warning of 'whatever below ankle is in fire' strong enough to make it sinful if not acted upon?

:ws:

[Omar HH]

:salam:

So pants above ankle is a minor mandub, meaning, if done then rewarded, if not then no sin?
But isn't the warning of 'whatever below ankle is in fire' strong enough to make it sinful if not acted upon?

:ws:

No it is not enough. Because there is no interpretation of hadith to make legal rulings by lay men. Fiqh is given precedence over hadith. The hadith also is not speaking of pants - it is speaking of the izaar. If you have ever worn the izaar you will know that you have to be very purposeful to make your izaar hang below your ankles.

Yes there is no sin. It is not even makruh meaning doing it is not even disliked. Nor did all the Maliki scholars say it was reccomended but some of them said it was reccomended.

Kibr is what is haram. Kibr in wearing clothing is haram. If you put your pants above your ankles for the intention of showing off then this is a a major haram.

From what I have seen the following madhahib allow the pants below the ankle (meaning it is not sinful but could be disliked):

Shafi`i, Maliki and Hanafi.

It is just *maybe* for Hanbali (I do not know their position) and it is makruh tahriman for the Deobandi Hanafis (not all Hanafis).

This does not mean the Deobandis are bad for believing this. My point is that others should not pick on others because their pants are below the ankles due to the *obvious* ikhtilaf.

And bi Allahi Tawfiq,

wal Hamdulilah,

Omar.

[eTeacher]

Asalamualaikum, are you by any chance related to Abdurrahman Ibn Yusuf Mangera?

Assalamu Alaikum,

We have the same last name/surname. That's about it. But I've known the Sheikh since my days of studies in England and also I usually talk to him over the phone and stuff. There is another Mangera on this forum as well, but we are not hagas/relatives. : )

sincerely