question about paradise

[Nafeesa]

i know that u shud hate what Allah hates and love what he loves

is it haram to desire haram things in paradise?

[Abu 'Abdillah al-Maliki]

Sister, it is probably better that you read the descriptions of Paradise given by Allah and His Rasul (sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam) which tell us what IS in Jannah, and also remember that you won't desire anything there that Allah doesn't want you to desire, likewise whatever you will get there you will be so happy and satisfied with it that you wouldn't even think about asking for anything else...

As for the issue of "weed" in Paradise, I think it is safer just to leave that matter to Allah...

[bd_syed]

Sister Nafisa,
Knowledge of Islam is vast. You are to learn more & more. Please see some quotation in which Allah Subhanahu Taala has mentioned about Paradise.
You know there are Eight Paradise. In Paradise there are Lot of things to see , to eat, to drink, lot of things to enjoy like Hur /Gelmon. . But there is also a Paradise where there is nothing but Allah.
Please read the Thread "Who is Awlia? Properly.
I am placing a Part of that thread for your consumption.
ELME TARIKATIt is such a knowledge/Philosophy without which it is impossible to lead life as per Shariat (Rules of Islam). The knowledge required to lead the life as per Shariat and to get closer to Allah and to achieve the love of Allah, overcoming all the hindrances and adversity those appears in following the rules -regulation of Shariat, is known as Elme Tarikat.
2. In all four stages of knowledge bad influences of Nafs is there.
In the stage of Shariat :- Nafs influences to work against Shariat.
In the stage of Tarikat :- Nafs influences to claim for Nabuwat / Belayet.
In the stage of Marifat :- Nafs influences to claim partnership and claim ownself as God being enlighten by the noor(light) of Allah.
In the stage of Hakikat:- There is no entry of Iblish Shaitan, Nafs and Feresta (Angels).

As such, at this stage (Hakikat) a man become perfect man becoming saved from the influences of all enemy. As such in all stages we have to struggle against the Iblish and Nafs to become perfect man and reach the stage of Hakikat and finally to reach the final destination the Didar-e-Elahi ( Meeting Allah).

3. Human bad habits like Sex, Anger, Greed etc. can not be destroyed without the lustre (noor) of Allah. Similarly stupidity and foolishness is not removed without the Marifat ( Hidden Knowledge) of Allah .
Allah teaches without any media through his Elme Ladunni (Hidden /Invisible Knowledge) and by dint of that knowledge men can earn knowledge about Allah , offer prayer, can see the pious Ruhus and know prophet Mohammad (sm). He can discuss with the Ferestas, Poigambar (Prophet), and Hazrat Mohammad (sm). As a result they give the good news of the ‘Bisale Abdi’ ( Ever Lasting Meeting).

4. If an Alem (learned man) read thousands of books but cannot acquire knowledge of ‘Hidden Elm’ , he will not be known as Alem. Man cannot acquire the Spiritual Power / Ruhaniat by Jaheri Elm (ExternalKnowledge). This category of Alem (Alem without Spiritual knowledge) will only gain Heaven. Jaheri Elm will not reach the Holy Herem Sharif ( Place of getting closer to Allah). So they will be deprived from getting proximity/closeness of Allah. As a bird cannot fly without two wings, similarly the Alem (learned man) who will not be in possession of both Jaheri (External) and Bateni (Hidden ) knowledge , he will not be able to reach the Monjile Maaksud( Closeness to Allah)/will not be able to get closer to Allah.

5. He who will acquire the Jaheri & Batini Elm and in line with those he will offer prayer to Allah with devotion , he will get place in the stage of closeness with Allah .
Allah has mentioned, “ Halo my men! If you desire to enter my Herem , then do not look to any of the Mulk (Earthy Life), Malakut and Jabarut. The reason for that is :
Mulk (Earthy) is the enemy of Alem (Learned Man),
Malakut (Life after death) is the enemy of Aref ( Spiritualist) and Jabarut is enemy of the islamic theologist (Woli Allah).

Those who will be attracted to these three world they will be deprived from getting in closeness to Allah. However , they will not be deprived from getting status /rank. Those who are really for getting closeness of Allah , Almighty Allah the greatest has kept such gift in return which have not been seen, heard, felt by anybody. In the Herem of Allah there is no blessing of Hoor (Beautiful Lady), Gelmon (Beautiful young boys), and other favors of heaven. There is only ever wanted thing Didar-e-Elahi- Meeting of Mawla Allah Subhanahu Taala.
In Hadis-e-Kudsi it is stated that, Allah says, “My Mumin Banda ( True Believers) get closer to me through their Nafal Ibadat and I honored them with my friendship. When I treat someone as my friend ,I grant him my Noor on all parts of his body . So his all activities is actually guided by me. So knowledge of such man become great/noble knowledge. Because who is nourished and brought up under the guidance of Allah, his heart becomes store house of mystery of Allah. Hallo my Banda (Man)! If you want to know that then you follow the quoted affairs.”Conclusion : Those who follow the above quoted activities & become closer to Allah they are Woli Allah. Aulia is Plural of Woli.[/FONT]

[Omar HH]

It is not haram it is reccomended to love Paradise.

Yet we should love Allah and his Messenger :saw: more.

Wassalam.

[Nafeesa]

bd syed, i didnt really understand ur post cuz its a bit too technical for me, but whats this gelmon thing ur talking about
In the Herem of Allah there is no blessing of Hoor (Beautiful Lady), Gelmon (Beautiful young boys), are u saying there will be the male equivalant to hoors. please elaborate more on this.

[sunflower]

are u saying there will be the male equivalant to hoors. please elaborate more on this.
Sister nafeesa I have heard this from shaykh Hassan Ali :that there will be young servant boys and women who enter paradise will be free to "take" a servant boy (one,two or how many .....)if they so wish.

[Nafeesa]

Sister nafeesa I have heard this from shaykh Hassan Ali :that there will be young servant boys and women who enter paradise will be free to "take" a servant boy (one,two or how many .....)if they so wish.

ive never heard that before, do u know where he got that from, are there any verses in the quran which talk about this or any hadiths.

n how old are these "boys"

[sunflower]

ive never heard that before, do u know where he got that from, are there any verses in the quran which talk about this or any hadiths.

n how old are these "boys"
Im not sure of the verses, will try and get the info. He didnt say how old the boys are only that they will be there for the use of women if they so wish.

[Omar HH]

Im not sure of the verses, will try and get the info. He didnt say how old the boys are only that they will be there for the use of women if they so wish.

are you sure women get boys to enjoy?

i have never heard this.

[sunflower]

are you sure women get boys to enjoy?

i have never heard this.
well thats what shaykh hassan ali said towards the end of his lecture on paradise....

[Omar HH]

hmm...

i thought that a man gets as many women as he wants and then the woman though looks more beautiful then all the women in paradise and thats her treat.

not that men get alot of women and women get alot of men?

wassalam.

[Pr1nce]

I have heard of this "gelmon" thing. Didn't Imam Ghazali write something about them in Ihya Ulum al-Din?

[sunflower]

hmm...

i thought that a man gets as many women as he wants and then the woman though looks more beautiful then all the women in paradise and thats her treat.

not that men get alot of women and women get alot of men?

wassalam.
Is man finding hard to believe that Allah is to treat women in such a way......men get all the huris, so women get the young boys.

[Omar HH]

Is man finding hard to believe that Allah is to treat women in such a way......men get all the huris, so women get the young boys.

No. I have just never heard this in my life.

I also heard that women do not get these because any modest respectable woman would not want young boys to enjoy as it goes against modesty.

[sunflower]

No. I have just never heard this in my life.

I also heard that women do not get these because any modest respectable woman would not want young boys to enjoy as it goes against modesty.
Actually shaykh hamza said on the marriage lectures that whatver a women does in her bedroom with her husband of course cannot be taken as immodest on her part. Anyway Allah knows best. Somenone could say 72 virgins is not modest

[Omar HH]

No I mean to have lots of young boys.

Some Shaykh said this is immodest and of course women won't have this.

At least I *think* I heard this.

[sunflower]

No I mean to have lots of young boys.

Some Shaykh said this is immodest and of course women won't have this.

At least I *think* I heard this.
Maybe at some point i can fin this info and pass it on inshallah

[Omar HH]

shaykh gibril said:

2- Why would the Qur'an frequently mention a sexual reward specific to men in Paradise and never its equivalent for women?

The Holy Qur'an keeps a high sense of modesty in addressing the sexual rewards of women in Paradise because clarification of such matters was and is beneath the dignity of a woman to seek, especially an Arab woman, and most especially an Arab woman of the Quraysh or the Ansar.

This does not mean that such rewards do not exist, on the contrary - Allah Most High is able to create them, plus He is Most Just and Equitable, plus He is the Most Generous of those who possess generosity! But out of tact, the "how" or "what" of this particular matter, is not broached.

A contemporary example of this sense of pudeur is that a father openly promises to fetch the best wife he can for his son - and hearing this makes the son happy -, but if he were to promise to fetch the best husband for his daughter he would hurt her feelings, as the girl does not ask but is asked - needless to say, in traditional society, not the wild West.

The least one should say is that Allah Most High is perfectly able to reward the men among the faithful with chaste maidens of great beauty in Paradise, just as explicited in the texts and without divestment of meaning; and Allah Most High is perfectly able to reward the women among the faithful with a perfect equivalent left unnamed out of regard for the greater modesty of women. No-one Allah rewards can be possibly disappointed. Then there are more rewards different than this, and greater yet different than the preceding, and higher yet, etc. and Allah is Most Knowing.

[sunflower]

shaykh gibril said:
The least one should say is that Allah Most High is perfectly able to reward the men among the faithful with chaste maidens of great beauty in Paradise, just as explicited in the texts and without divestment of meaning; and Allah Most High is perfectly able to reward the women among the faithful with a perfect equivalent left unnamed out of regard for the greater modesty of women. No-one Allah rewards can be possibly disappointed. Then there are more rewards different than this, and greater yet different than the preceding, and higher yet, etc. and Allah is Most Knowing.
He has put this very well , allah knows best.