Rabita Shareef

[ozgurislam]

Question:

As salamu aleykum,

What do you think about Rabita Shareef as practiced by some Naqshibandies and other people of Tawassuf?

Please visit this site for information about Rabita Shareef:

http://www.nurmuhammad.com/NaqshbandiSecrets/ShaykhAdnankabbanirabitashareefmuraqabah.htm

It seems to me a major bidah and shirk.

Was salaam

Answer:

Assalaamu alaikum

These customs are not permissible.

Abdul Kader Hoosen
mufti@telkomsa.net

[Muhammed Bahauddin]

As Salamu Alaikum

Thats not good answer.

Imam Rabbani and Shah Naqshibandi itself used to make Rabitah.

Its a good deed and its very important in Tassawwuf, especially in the Naqshibandi Tarikah.


As Salamu Alaikum

[Sad ibn Abu Waqqas]

As Salamu Alaikum

Thats not good answer.

Imam Rabbani and Shah Naqshibandi itself used to make Rabitah.

Its a good deed and its very important in Tassawwuf, especially in the Naqshibandi Tarikah.


I agree. And it seems we all make rabita to people, whether we know it or not. It is instinctive and natural for us.

So why should we not consciously direct our rabita to those who are good models for us?

[abdullatif]

Bismillah
as sallamu alaikum

just apoint of adab and having agood opinion of others , Is not to say one is invloved in bidah and shirk. for what in essense what is being said is that one is a innovator, or mushrik. Lets all have god opinion of any who has said thet two shahaddas, Different tariqas do things different one should ask the shuyukh to clarify not the murids

[ozgurislam]

As Salamu Alaikum

Thats not good answer.

Imam Rabbani and Shah Naqshibandi itself used to make Rabitah.

Its a good deed and its very important in Tassawwuf, especially in the Naqshibandi Tarikah.


As Salamu Alaikum

As salamu aleykum,

Imam Rabbani has more things where we can doubt about, one of that i had started a thread located here:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10537

Please ask a ''neutral'' Hanafi Ulema about this matter

Rabita is found out 800 years after the death of our Prophet SAW.

Ve madem ki Türksün su patelledigim makaleleyi bir oku:

Selamun-aleyküm hocam Mürşide rabıta olayının aslı var mıdır, varsa nasıl yapılmalıdır? Eğer yoksa yapılmasındaki sakıncalar nelerdir? Selam ve dua ile

Cevap:

Rabıta, bağ ve ilgi anlamında Kurân asıllı bir kavramdır. Bu kelimenin Kurân-ı Kerim’deki anlamı konusunda Râğib el-Isfehanî’den şunları öğreniyoruz:

Muhafızların bulunduğu mekâna ribat denir… Murabata, muhafaza etme, koruma anlamındadır. Allah (cc): “Ey müminler! Sabredin, sabırda yardımlaşın ve murabata/rabıta yapın” (4/200) derken bununla kastedilen şey, İslam ülkesini korumak için sınır boylarında nöbet tutmaktır. Nöbetçilerle beraber, savaş atlarının da hazır tutulduğu sınır kulelerinin adı da ribat’tır. Demek ki rabıtada bağlı olma, dikkani ayırmama gibi bir mana da vardır.

Murabata/rabıta iki türlüdür: 1. Yukarıda söylediğimiz, İslam ülkesinin sınır boylarında nöbet tutmak ve düşmana karşı uyanık olmak. Bu mana murabatanın hakiki manasıdır. 2.Nefsin hilelerine karşı uyanık olmak. Bu da murabatanın mecazi manasıdır. Bu manada olarak Hz. Peygamber (sav) de şöyle buyurmuştur: “Bir namazın ardından diğerini beklemek ribat/rabıta kabilindendir”. “Size Allah’ın hatalarınızı ne ile sileceğini, derecelerinizi ne ile yükselteceğini söyleyeyim mi? Evet, buyur, söyle dediler. Zor şartlarda dahi mükemmel bir abdest almak, mescitlere doğru çok adım atmak, bir namazın ardından diğerini intizar etmek… İşte ribat/rabıta budur, rabıta budur, rabıta budur”

Bunlardan çıkan sonuç şudur:

Rabıta kelimesinin aslı Kurân-ı Kerim’de ve sünnette bulunmaktadır ve hakikat ve mecaz anlamları, Râğib’ten alarak yukarıda zikrettiğimiz gibidir. İkinci olarak, Kurân-ı Kerim’de ve sünnette bulunan bir kavramı Hz. Peygamber’in ve onu izleyenlerin anladığı gibi anlamak esastır. Bu ve benzeri kavramları doğru anlayabilmek için muhtaç olduğumuz birinci kural budur.

İkinci kuralımız ise, sık sık tekrarladığımız gibi şudur: İbadetler tevkîfidir, yani Hz. Peygamber tarafından sabitlenmiştir, onlarda hiçbir artırma ve eksiltme olmaz. Çünkü ibadetlerin neler olduğu ve nasıl yapılacağı akıl üstü konulardır ve bizler ibadetlerden hiçbir şeyi kaldıramayacağımız gibi, onları değiştiremeyiz ve eklemeler de yapamayız. Onlar tamamen Mabudun hakkıdır ve onlara müdahale bidat sayılır. Efendimizin ifadesiyle; “Bütün bidatler dalalettir ve bütün dalaletler de cehenneme götürür”.

Tasavvufta rabıta denince, Nakşiler tarafından (Yani Hz. Peygamber’den yaklaşık 800 sene sonra) geliştirilen bir disiplin akla gelir. Mürit şeyhini sevecek, ona kalben bağlanacak, buradan Hz. Peygamber’e, oradan da Allah’a ulaşılacak ve O’nunla irtibatlı olunacaktır. Bunun için mürit öncelikle şeyhinin suretini hayal edecek, onun güzelliklerinin, ahlakının kendisine feyezan etmesini isteyecektir. Hatta şeyh müridini Allah’a bağladığı için onun kendisi bizatihi rabıtadır/bağdır. (Enver Fuad. Mu’cem 88). Bu hayal etmeyi gerçekleştirmek üzere bazı tarikatlarda müritler, üzerlerinde şeyhinin resmini bulundurmaktadırlar. Hatta Hz. Peygamber (sav) adına yapılan hayali bir resmi üzerlerinde bulunduran tarikat mensupları da vardır ve bana bu resmi gösterdiler. Bu elbette cehaletten öte bir cinayettir.

Böyle bir eğitim tekniği kullanıldığında olumlu sonuçlarının ve bir takım psikolojik faydalarının olup olmayacağı eğitimci gözüyle tartışılabilir. Ama rabıtanın bir ibadet olduğu var sayılırsa bunu İslam’ı anlama usulü içerisinde bir yere oturtmamız elbette mümkün gözükmemektedir. Şöyle de diyebiliriz: Bir ibadet düşünün ki, Hz. Peygamber onu hiç yapmamış, öğretmemiş ve onu izleyen selefi salihin de böyle bir şeyden haberdar olmamıştır. Böyle bir ibadetin olması mümkün değildir. Bu anlamdaki rabıta için delil getirilen: “Sadıklarla beraber olun” mealindeki ayet-i kerime, ya da “Kişi sevdiğiyle beraberdir” hadisi şerifi de İslamî gelenek içerisinde “rabıta” ortaya çıkıncaya kadar hiç böyle anlaşılmamıştır. Zorlama bir tevil yapmadan böyle anlaşılması da mümkün değildir. Zorlama tevillerin insanları saptıracağını da bizzat Kurân-ı Kerim söylemektedir. (Bkz. 3/7). Sahabe efendilerimizin Hz. Peygamber’e olan sevgilerinden böyle bir uygulama çıkarmak da mümkün değildir. Aksi halde, Allah Rasulü’nü izleyen 800 yıl, insanlar, hatta bizzat Hz. Peygamber’in kendisi bunu keşfedememiş ve anlamamış olurlardı. Oysa akide ve ibadetler konusunda en doğru anlama, Hz. Peygamber’le beraber olanların, sonra da onları izleyenlerin anlamasıdır. Bunda bütün İslam alimleri ittifak halindedir.

Şunu da bilmeliyiz ki, tasavvuf diye anlatılan şey; bir hal, İslam’ın daha dikkatli ve hassas yaşanma biçimi; zikir, zühd, ibadet ve tefekkür olarak Hz. Peygamber’den beri varolan bir yaşama biçimidir. İslam’ın ta kendisidir. Tarikatlar ise –Kitap ve sünnet çizgisinde kaldıkları sürece- tasavvufun mektepleri ve mezhepleridirler. Ancak rabıta tasavvufun şartlarından değildir ve tasavvufun ehli sünnet çizgisinde yaşandığı ilk yüzyıllarında da onda bu anlamda bir rabıta hiç olmamıştır. Sevginin, bağlılığın, kardeşliğin, ittibaın rabıta diye anlatılması da elbette isabetli olmaz. Dolayısıyla rabıtayı kabul edip etmemekle, tasavvufu kabul edip etmemek farklı şeylerdir. Doğrusu sağlam tarikatlerdeki güzel insanların hatırı için rabıtayı da onların anladığı gibi kabul etmek isterdim. Ancak İslamın ve hakikatın hatırı daha büyüktür ve buna karşı saygısızlığı hiç göze alamam, bu sebeple de dini bir delile dayanmayan bir uygulamayı gerekli göremem.

Durum bu olmakla birlikle, birleri bunu bir eğitim aracı olarak görür ve uygularlarsa kendi bilecekleri bir şeydir ve dediğimiz gibi bu tartışılabilir. Ancak ben hiçbir tarikatın rabıtaya böyle baktığını görmedim. Aksine o bir ibadet olarak görülür ve hatta müritler çoğu zaman onu günlük farz namazlarından daha önemli tutarlar. Bunun hükmünü ise yukarıda anlatmaya çalıştık.

Bu noktada şunu da zikretmeliyiz ki, tasavvuf bu günkü hali itibariyle bir İmam Rabbanî’ye muhtaçtır. Nasıl onun zamanında tarikatlar İslam’dan çok uzaklaşmışlardı ve o bu konuda bir tecdid gerçekleştirip, onları tekrar Sünni ve Kurânî çizgiye oturttu ise, bu gün de bunu yapacak birisine şiddetle ihtiyaç vardır. Çünkü çok azı hariç, tarikatlar bu gün ya cehalet ve sapmaların, ya da sahtekarlık, derin ilişkiler ve düzenbazlığın hakim olduğu karanlık odaklardır. Başta Erenköy cemaati olmak üzere, Çarşamba ve İskender Paşa cemaatlerini ve benzeri bazı küçük cemaatleri elbette bu çirkinliklerden uzak tutmalıyız, ancak tecdid, teceddüt ve yeniden Kurânî çizgiye gelem ihtiyacının umumi olduğunu söyleyebiliriz.

Günümüzdeki en büyük İslam alimleri, sözünü ettiğimiz anlamdaki rabıtaya bidat olarak baktıklarını da burada zikretmeliyiz. Mesela Ramazan el-Bûtî şöyle söyler:

ولاشك أن هذا الذي استحدثه مشايخ الطريقة أخيراً يعدّ بدعة‏،‏ إذ هي شيء لا أصل له في الدين. http://www.bouti.com/cgi-bin/bsearch.cgi

“Şüphesiz tarikat şeyhlerinin sonradan icad ettikleri rabıta bidattir, çünkü bunun dinde hiçbir dayanağı bulunmamaktadır”.

Ves selam

[Tazkiyah]

Ozgurislam do you have something against Mujadid Alf Thani (Rahmatullah Alayh) or the Naqshbandi Tariqa. The thread about the movement of the finger doesn't nullify the prayer. Rabita Sharif varies within the Naqhbandi Tariqa. I am familer with both the Mujaddi Line and Haqqani line. Also i would also suggest your read more into the maktubat it goes into great detail of his spirtual experiances etc.

[ozgurislam]

Ozgurislam do you have something against Mujadid Alf Thani (Rahmatullah Alayh) or the Naqshbandi Tariqa. The thread about the movement of the finger doesn't nullify the prayer. Rabita Sharif varies within the Naqhbandi Tariqa. I am familer with both the Mujaddi Line and Haqqani line. Also i would also suggest your read more into the maktubat it goes into great detail of his spirtual experiances etc.


I have nothing agaist a Tareeqa as long as it is inside the shariah (which Rabita Sharif is definitly NOT) and the beliefs of the Ahla Sunnah.

As for the Makbuat these are Imam Rabbani's personal experiances and investigations, as a matter of fact the Makbuat is not a treatise or risalah but merely letters which he wrote to other people.

[Abu Hurayrah]

Dancing girls with pink hijab. They must have seen this in Quran and Sunnah.

http://www.nurmuhammad.com/

[Omar HH]

NurMuhammad is not an official Haqqani site and has been severely criticized by some of the senior murids such as James `Umar McConnell (hafizahullahi ta`ala).

Even the naqshbandi.org official site was ordered to be closed by Shaykh Nazim as well as sunnah.org. I heard this from James `Umar himself. But Shaykh Hisham Kabbani is not listening.

Wassalam.

[ozgurislam]

Dancing girls with pink hijab. They must have seen this in Quran and Sunnah.

http://www.nurmuhammad.com/


Your'e my man Abu Hurayrah :D

And what it is not a official site, why is it not closed then? And why we can't find on any of the site you name any refutation? ;)

[ozgurislam]

By the way it is listed in the Wikpedia as the 1 st link voor de Haqqani and this is sweeps of your claim to be no official site.

[Omar HH]

It is not "official" but it is run with Haqqani dollars by Shaykh Hisham through a 3rd party.

Wikipedia is no source.

Even Naqshbandi.org which IS official and Sunnah.org was asked to be shut down by Shaykh Nazim himself - so shut up.

Wassalam.

Mod Note: Please discuss in a respectful manner. :jazak:

[Omar HH]

Your'e my man Abu Hurayrah :D

And what it is not a official site, why is it not closed then? And why we can't find on any of the site you name any refutation? ;)

You are wrong,

Naqshbandi.org issued a statement in June saying which sites were official and which were not showing that NurMuhammad is NOT official.

Wassalam.

[ozgurislam]

See below what kind of Bidah and Shirk they make,

For the full PDF book:

http://nurmuhammad.com/Dwnlds/StepStepMuraqabahIllistrations.pdf

And if you want more **** go to their books section on their site

And this is going on with all Rabita Shareef practicesers.

“Truth has come and falsehood has perished. Verily falsehood (by its very nature) is perishable”
(Holy Qur’aan)


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Mod Note: Sorry no pics of animate beings allowed to be displayed on the forum. :jazak:

[Omar HH]

Shaykh `Abdal Rahman al-Shaghouri - the Shaykh of Shaykh Nuh Keller had hadras in which they would say:

Ya Rasul Allah Madad,
Ya Habib Allah Madad,

By the way that site is NOT official again.

Wassalam.

[ozgurislam]

Shaykh `Abdal Rahman al-Shaghouri - the Shaykh of Shaykh Nuh Keller had hadras in which they would say:

Ya Rasul Allah Madad,
Ya Habib Allah Madad,

By the way that site is NOT official again.

Wassalam.


madad ya sayyidi madadul haq ya mawlana shayk nazim haqqani

it doest mather whether the site is official or not this says enough

[Tazkiyah]

According to Authentic Ulema using Madad is permissible providing you know the reasoning behind it. As I also know the deobandi Ulema consider this as shirk. Shaykh Haddad has a good article on the subject. For further information check

http://www.sunnah.org/aqida/madad.htm

* and yes I know Shaykh Gibril is Baya with Mawlana Shaykh Nazim but still is a good article explaining the above subject.

[Abu Hurayrah]

No need to say shut up Respected People.

[Tazkiyah]

'The Reality of the Sheikh
-Maulana Sheikh Nazim Al Haqqani

Allah Almighty is ordering His servants to follow the steps of His
friends, and to be with them. Therefore we should be like neighbors
with blessed people with our physical body. Then we may be closer
through our hearts. If a pipe does not connect to a tap there will
be no water from the tap; spring water may reach to you through
pipes. You must have pipes so that the tap can give water. Likewise
all the Prophets, and Sayyidina Muhammad alaihi salaam peace be upon
them are carrying heavenly streams and mercy to our hearts. Therefore
we must always keep connection to their holy and pure hearts in order
to recieve wisdom from heavens; you may reach to them and drink from
their grand mercy streams. Without the saints/awliya, it is not
possible to reach to this. You simply cannot reach to it. Allah
Almighty made the awliya to be His mercy springs. The one who
reaches to them is going to be alive and be a real living person.
Those who reaching to awliya, will reach to ever lasting
life. How can we reach to Allah? This is so difficult. But to
reach to His representative is to be with Allah.
If a person does not reach to the awliya, it is difficult to reach
to blessings. There are common blessings which reach everyone, to
even unbelievers.. if not, they wouldn't exist. But if you want to
get much closer, you need another kind of blessing. The person who
is heedless looses his expensive life and wastes his precious time.
As for an authorized person, it is not important for him outwardly,
but in reality, he is always with his sheikh. He has a kind of
telephone to his sheikh, to see what news he may benefit from. This
has nothing to do with our own will, but it is the will of the sheikh
who is taking from the presence of the Holy Prophet Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wa sallam peace be upon him. The sheikh is always
with the presence of the Prophet Muhammad whose reality is always
with Allah.
The servant who is asking to reach to the Divine Presence of Allah
Almighty, of the Prophet Muhammad and of the sheikh, must always keep
his observation/muraqaba/attentive observation, or watchfulness, on
the sheikh. You should always observe your sheikh, as he is always
looking after you. He never leaves you. To observe means to know,
that the sheikh is always with you, and that he is always watching
you. The follower/murid is never alone.
Say 'Ya Allah', 'Don't leave me alone with my ego'. When the
murid is not with his sheikh, he will be with his ego, and with the
satan, and the ego has millions of tricks to play on you. When the
murid keeps observation of the sheikh --for one minute, a while, or
as much as he can do-- the sheikh will be with him, and in every
situation, he will support him. The observation brings the
support/medad. If you are cutting off, then the sheikh's support is
cut off. The sheikh supports the one who is walking on the way to
Allah.. as a car fills up its tank at a petrol station before moving
on. A real authorized person, has such a station to make you to reach
to Allah Almighty. He is also taking from the presence of his sheikh,
who is taking from the presence of the holy Prophet Muhammad who
receives from the presence of Allah Almighty. If you cut this
connection off, you will be left alone, and be like a tape recorder
with finished batteries. Instead if you have support through a
cable, it will never cut off, or become less. Always it will
continue and go on.
For how long do you want to stay with your ego? To observe the
sheikh is one of the most important things, so that you can always be
with the sheikh, and so that you may be able reach to the presence of
the holy Prophet Muhammad. Then you will be able to observe the
Prophet Muhammad, and you may see that the eye of the Prophet
Muhammad is looking at you, and that you come to know the meaning of
the Quranic verse which says that the holy Prophet is among you, he
is not absent. If there is no observation/muraqaba, you will never
see or feel anything.
Muraqaba makes the servant to hear things from the sheikh, and he
will see and watch events and things also. Then you may see 'the
reality of the sheikh' whose power is surrounding the whole world -if
he is a true one. There are no borders.. No! Not if the
responsibility has been given to him, officially, by the holy
Prophet. His power is always present, in every place, on the land
and in the Oceans. Wherever you go he is present.
When you have a good connection, at first you will hear -like a
kind of divine telephone to the sheikh- and he will show you the way
by what he tells you. After this, when the murid becomes higher in
his maqam/station, he will begin 'to see' also the sheikh who is
directing him with words. This is the highest level from the muraqaba
of the murid, until the murid climbs up to the observation of the
Holy Prophet Muhammad whom he will first hear until he gets higher
and then he will see the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
Of this state, the greatest of the holy ones used to say 'If we are
not looking at the holy Prophet Muhammad even for the blink of an
eye, and if he is cut off from being directly in front of us, we
would not count ourselves as being muslims anymore'. This is because
if a man is with his ego he is not a believer -no iman/faith. Until
he is with Allah Almighty, the holy Prophet Muhammad, and the other
Prophets, he will be cut off, and there will be nothing else to serve
accept his ego. He would have made himself to be a servant of his ego
until they will say of him 'Did you see the one who made his own ego
to be his God' the Holy Quran. This person will no longer separate
what is allowed or forbidden. He will say 'I am free, and that which
I want to do, I will do'.
Therefore, the observation of the sheikh by the murid, is the most
important thing for his improvement on the way, and if not, his
diesel or petrol will finish, and he will stand on the way without
moving. When he insists that he doesn't want to think about his
sheikh, he will be left there.
These are some sensitive points which satan and his supporters have
interfered with to cheat the ones who are on the way. They say that
it is making partners with Allah -shirk- when one observes the
sheikh. It cannot be and is not shirk or unbelief. It is only that
these people have no understanding about how to obtain a 'true
state'. Muraqaba is for one on the way, and it is to be done always
until he reaches to the Divine Presence. Then he will be from one of
those who have reached, and there will be nothing left in him of the
worries of the world or of the hereafter. He will be in permanency.
This is a very precise and heavy lecture, and no one else in this
time from the authorized people may speak about this except our
Grandsheikh's representative. Tariqat/path is to have adab/good
manners, and is for guiding people to the highest level of adab.
Becoming a true murid means being an accepted one in the Prophet
Muhammad's sallallahu alaihi wa sallam peace be upon him presence,
and in the Divine Presence. 'O Allah, give Your most beloved servant
more majesty and honor'. Who does not make dhikr/zikr has no divine
light, and the person who has no light is blind.. so the veils cannot
be taken away.

[Sunni_Student786]

Dancing girls with pink hijab. They must have seen this in Quran and Sunnah.

http://www.nurmuhammad.com/

Could you expand on that bro as I have no idea what it is that you are talking about.

Sorry, but I don't know too much about these things.

Wa'salaam.

[mussnoon]

Bismillaahi wass-Salaatu wass-Salaamu'alaa Rasoolillaah.




Dancing girls with pink hijab. They must have seen this in Quran and Sunnah.

http://www.nurmuhammad.com/
Could you expand on that bro as I have no idea what it is that you are talking about.

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Ditto.

والسلام عليكم

[Muhammed Bahauddin]

Es Selamun Aleykum

@Özgürislam

Mademki sen Türksün, o zaman Ahmed Cübbeli Hocanin "Tarikat-i Aliyye'de Rabita-i Celiyye" okursaniz, hemen anlarsinizki, Rabita Sünnetdir.
http://ahlusunna.airmode.de/IHVANFORUMRABITAVETASAVVUFRISALESI.chm if you speak turkish, click this link

There are much Dalil for Rabita.

First you criticize Imam Rabbani Ahmed Faruk, I dont know why, I think because of the Finger Matter, and I did read this Maktub in my own Maktubat and the argumentation is very good and the Dalils are really perfect. After all, its an Ikhtilaf and in Ikhtilaf is no problem.

Rabita is not the Idea of some ppl. Even when it would be so, is this a thing which the Ummah did accept and which the Ummah use, and how can somebody claim the ppl with shirk, when they follow the way of Mawlana Halid, which had the rank of Allame-Jihan and Qutbu Hajegan and which had Ijaza from Rasulullah (sa).

Let us say, that the Rabita is not only in the Naqshibandi Tariqah. Muhammed Osman el-Medeni is proofing this truth in his book "Basiretus Salikin" in the 15. Chapter, where he says, that Rabita is in all Tariqahs:

"You have to know; the one who says: Rabita is only in the Halidiyya Tariqah, is a lier and is speaking against the truth and the Tassawwuf Books.
In the Book of the Kadiri Tariqah, which is well known and called Mafatihul Gayb is written: "From the ways of Rabita, Dhikr and Meditation is this a different way."

Haci Muhammed Parisa (ks) says, that Haci Muhammed Bahauddin Naqshibendi did order him, to hide his face in his imagines.

Molla Abdurrahman el-Jami (ks) ordered his Pupil Abdulghafur el-Lari (ks) to imagine his appereance.

Abdulwahab es-Sharani(ks) says in his Book "El-Bahru'l Mewrud": "The Murids which are not indulgently in the Rabita, have a promise from us, that we know them. We know our Murids when they face our Heart Mirrors and so we know those, who did turn away and not."

Through all those proofs its shown, that all Tariqah have Rabitah (Muhammed Osman el-Medeni, Basiretus Salikin, P.137)

Lets give us some examples from other Turuq:
From the Shazali Tariqah Great Shaykh and Wali Hilmi Efendi (ks) wrotes the 7 Adab of Dhikr in his Book "Telhisul Me'arif" and he says to the last adab:
"You have to imagine the appereance of the shaykh between your eyebrowns, and this is the strongest adab."(Hasan ibni Muhammed Hilmi, Telhisu'l-Me'arif, p.146)

A Shaykh of the Shazali, Ibn Ataullah esh-Shazali (ks) says in his Book "Mifathul Felah fi Adabiz zikr": "The one which is in an education of a Shaykh has to imagine the appereance of his Shaykh between his eyes, because he is a friend and a leader on the spiritual way. The first time he starts with dhikr, he calls him to help and has to believe, that he is calling Rasulullah (sa) to help, because the shaykh is the representative of him." (Dusari er Rahmetul Habita, Mektubat-i Hamishi 1/267)

Master Nadwi is describing his shaykh as: "An Alim like an ocean, one of rare ones which are wellknown in the Hanafiyya Fiqh".
His Shaykh was "Ahmed Riza el-Kaderi" (ks) and he wrotes in his Book "El-Wazifatul Qarimah":
The Murid is turning his Body in a room, where is silence and where he is alone, to the house of his Shaykh. If this one is already dead, he is turning his body to his grave and he imagines with high respect the appereance of his Shaykh. He believes strongly that he is with the Shaykh and that from the Shaykh to him flows the Barakah and Noor of Rasulullah(sa). With this imagination, he becomes so strong, that he never need any struggle. After all, the appereance of the shaykh will be seen by the Murid and he will have no problems and struggles on this way." (Ahmed Riza, el-wazifatul qarimah, p.36)

Here we see, that the Rabitah is in all Tariqahs existing. and even when it would not be, isnt it enough that the Master of all Turuq, the Naqshibandiyya, have it?

Allamah Ibn Hajar says in his Fatawa: "The only way, which is clean of jahil Sufis, is the way of the Naqshibandiyya"

Sultanul Ulama Molla Aliyyul Kari (ks) says in his Book "El-Hisnul Hasin" and "Miskat": "Somebody which does know the Ahadith of Rasulullah (sa) and which did research them, did understand the sayings and the situation, which is one of those who knows what to say and what to do, know very well that the Naqshibandi Tariqah is the same way which Rasulullah (sa) showed after his first Wahy, that he recommend his Ummah this way and that the great ones of the Ashab followed this way."

Seyyid Mahmud el-Alusi (ks) says in his book "el Feyzul Warid" that the great Ulama did praise this way cause of its quality and honor.

This alone shows us, that the Rabita is accepted by the Ulama.

Imam-I Azam Abu Hanifa says in his "Qasida-i Maymuna-i Mubaraka" or called "Durru Meknun":
"Oh Efendi! I have a heart which is very bound on you, and I have a soul which is full with your love."
"When i dont speak, Im thinking on you in my silence
and when I speak, then I'm praising you."
"When I hear about you, I only hear wonderful Things
and where I look, I always only see YOU!" (ed-Durrul Meknun, Beyt N.43-45) This shows the Rabitah of this great Mujtahid.

Sayyidut Taifa Junayd al-Baghdadi says about Rabita:
"The shortest way to reach the target, is imagining of the appereance of the shaykh and to learn the spiritual things from him. So the Murid is destroying hisself in the Murshid." (Aziz Mahmud Hudai in his Jamiul Fezail we Kamiur Rezail)

Sufyani Thawri, Erdebili, Salih Ibnul Mubarek, Suhrawardi, Imam of Hanefi Ubaydullah Ahrar es-Semerkandi, Hanafi Faqih Muhammed Zahid el-Kawsari, Allame Jami, Allame Nablusi, Allame Abdurrauf el-Munawi, Imam Sharani and Hadimi, Saduddin Teftazani, Allame Seyyid Sherif Jurjani, Allame Mewlana Abdurrahman el-Fadhil el-Jami, Allame Muhammed Ibni Said el Hadimi, Hanafi Imam Allame Ahmed ibni Muhammed Hamewi, Arifibillah Tajuddin Ibni Zakariyya el-Hanefi el-Hindi el-Osmani (ks),İbn-i Kemal el-Vezir,Firuzâbâdî,Imam Nejmuddîn-i Kübrâ, Abdülhakîm Seyâlekûtî, Allâme İbn-i Abidîn, İsmail Hakkı Bursevî, Âlim-i kâmil Ârif-i Billah İbrahim Hakkı Erzurumî, Leader of 70.000 Awliya Mujaddidi Alfi Thani Alimi Amil Imam Rabbani es-Seyyid Ahmed el-Faruki's Serhendi, Shaykhulislam Hirewi, all those great Ulama did accept Rabita.

How can we, as totally jahils, start to say SHIRK?

As Salamu Alaikum

[ozgurislam]

What Authentic Ulema has accept Madad? Yes youre Nakshi Ulema has accepted!

And about the finger issue by Imam Rabbani what he has good daleels! Subhanallah how possible you name a sunnah thing MAKROOH or HARAM Imam Rabbani is giving sources from fatawa books to strenghten his own view ''not to point'' The finger issue is a proven sunnah all those people did denied this (like Al Kaydani who call it haram and others of same mind like Imam Rabbani who is saying better not to do) are all refutated by Mulla Ali Qari and Ibn Abidin and others...

Turkish brother please read the book of Ferit Aydin called: Tarikatta Rabita ve Naksibendilik and WAKE UP BRO YOURE SLEEPING!!!

http://feridaydin.tripod.com/Rabita.PDF

The author himself used to be a nakshsibandi shayk where after deep research he refrained from.

And I ASK YOU please visit www.nurmuhammad.com and Please tell me is there BIDAH/SHIRK on the site yes or no!

[ozgurislam]

PS:

This Muhammad Bahauddin is claiming to me in his Turkish writing to me that RABITA is SUNNAH? Subhanallah make tawbah!

Mademki sen Türksün, o zaman Ahmed Cübbeli Hocanin "Tarikat-i Aliyye'de Rabita-i Celiyye" okursaniz, hemen anlarsinizki, Rabita Sünnetdir.
<<<<RABITA IS FROM SUNNAH!!!!


DON'T YOU SHAME TO SAY THIS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE WORD SUNNAH MEANS? I THINK YOU DEFINITLY DON'T KNOW

[Muhammed Bahauddin]

As Salamu Alaikum

I did already say, its an Ikhtilaf and in Ikhtilaf both sights are accepted. (Finger Matter)

Madad is accepted, pls look to the Tawassul Area.

I think you even dont know what Rabita is, first of all, pls start to explain Rabita, how yourself know it.

And yes, its Sunnah but Im not interested right now to translate anything.

[ozgurislam]

As Salamu Alaikum

I did already say, its an Ikhtilaf and in Ikhtilaf both sights are accepted. (Finger Matter)

Madad is accepted, pls look to the Tawassul Area.

I think you even dont know what Rabita is, first of all, pls start to explain Rabita, how yourself know it.

And yes, its Sunnah but Im not interested right now to translate anything.


It is not an Iktilaf only some people of the Tawassuf ignored this sunnah. There is a general agreement that Nabi SAW point his finger in salah (they only have ihtilaf how he did point etc..)

Madad is not accepted from a Shayk or a dead Shayk, but of course this is against your belief.

Please read the PDF link i give you (the book of Ferit Aydin) and i think you are not aware what is shirk according to the Ulema of hanafees,

please read this :

Hanefî Ulemasına göre Şirk ve Sebepleri
Dr. M. b. Abdurrahman el-Humeyyis

http://www.islah.de/akide&tevhid/akd00002.pdf

you don't need to translate those ayats from the Quran for me you better buy a good Tafseer of the Quran instead of reading the Tafseers made by Nakshibandies to figur out what those ayats really mean (those you want to translate for me)

PS: what about the nurmuhammad site? let me guess you agree with them?

[Tazkiyah]

You both disagree.. so who is trying to prove what to who now..Either you consider it Shirk or permissible..

[ozgurislam]

See below what kind of Bidah and Shirk they make,

For the full PDF book:

http://nurmuhammad.com/Dwnlds/StepStepMuraqabahIllistrations.pdf

And if you want more **** go to their books section on their site

And this is going on with all Rabita Shareef practicesers.

“Truth has come and falsehood has perished. Verily falsehood (by its very nature) is perishable”
(Holy Qur’aan)


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YES OF COURSE NOW MY IMAGE HAS BEEN CLIPPED! WHY? BECAUSE IT CONTAINS SHIRK???

[Muhammed Bahauddin]

As Salamu Alaikum

Im not interested in reading anything, cause it is not Shirk and I know all those arguments.

Its like when a Wahabi sends me an Article against Tawassul, I know all the arguments and I dont have to read it, cause its only boring me to read it again and again and again.

I have no time for games and things like this, Rabita is not Shirk and the Ulamah are not against it, I did list them and between them are really great Scholars like Aliyyul Kari, Ibn Hajar, Ibn Abidin (ra).

Tawassul and Madad are the same story. I dont look the Nurmuhammed site cause I'm not a religion police which has to look everything and has to check everything and really, Im not interested.

I dont point with my finger, better I do nothing as doing it wrong and I follow Imam Rabbani in this point. Thats my way and my way is okay. And if a Sunnah is followed or not in the Prayer, it doesnt make the prayer invalid.

Rabita is not Shirk, thats the point and we dont have to argue anymore, cause the scholars did accept it and we have not the knowledge about this.

Sayyidut Taifa Junayd al-Baghdadi says about Rabita:
"The shortest way to reach the target, is imagining of the appereance of the shaykh and to learn the spiritual things from him. So the Murid is destroying hisself in the Murshid." (Aziz Mahmud Hudai in his Jamiul Fezail we Kamiur Rezail)

I did wrote much evidences, so pls read it again and open your heart.

Ubadyullah Ahrar says: "Why is it not shirk to imagine all those Dunya things, like money, his wife, his shop, his work, his childs but imagine an Awliya is Shirk?"

Good Question.

Salam alaikum

[VeiledOne]

YES OF COURSE NOW MY IMAGE HAS BEEN CLIPPED! WHY? BECAUSE IT CONTAINS SHIRK???

:salam:

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[Muawiyah]

whatever does the ayah quoted in the begining of the rabita page (Surah Aal `Imran ayah 200 (http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=3&tid=10323)) have to do with some sufi ritual?

[Abu Asma]

As salaamu alaikum,

While reading this forum I was listening to a talk by Shaykh Husain Abdul Sattar and he was mentioning rabita, but I could not really understand what he meant by it. Could anybody familar with the naqshabandi tariqa of Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad (Allah perserve him) explain rabita according to his teachings?

wa salaam

[Salim]

On tasawwuf.org there is a talk by Shaykh Kamaluddin Ahmed on the topic of rabita. Just click where it says representivies or something like that then the shaykhs name and scroll down until you find it.

[ozgurislam]

As Salamu Alaikum

Im not interested in reading anything, cause it is not Shirk and I know all those arguments.



Its like when a Wahabi sends me an Article against Tawassul, I know all the arguments and I dont have to read it, cause its only boring me to read it again and again and again.




I have no time for games and things like this, Rabita is not Shirk and the Ulamah are not against it, I did list them and between them are really great Scholars like Aliyyul Kari, Ibn Hajar, Ibn Abidin (ra).

The list of who did denie it is much longer, beside the scholars you name didnt do the rabita which is here in question




Tawassul and Madad are the same story. I dont look the Nurmuhammed site cause I'm not a religion police which has to look everything and has to check everything and really, Im not interested.

You don't look ofcourse then you will see what kind of shirk it is!



I dont point with my finger, better I do nothing as doing it wrong and I follow Imam Rabbani in this point. Thats my way and my way is okay. And if a Sunnah is followed or not in the Prayer, it doesnt make the prayer invalid.

Ofcourse your'e following Imam Rabbani in this matter, Imam Abu Hanifa and his Companions were wrong and after all Imam Rabbani is a greater mujtahid not?




Rabita is not Shirk, thats the point and we dont have to argue anymore, cause the scholars did accept it and we have not the knowledge about this.


Yes the scholars who think like you they accept it.



Sayyidut Taifa Junayd al-Baghdadi says about Rabita:
"The shortest way to reach the target, is imagining of the appereance of the shaykh and to learn the spiritual things from him. So the Murid is destroying hisself in the Murshid." (Aziz Mahmud Hudai in his Jamiul Fezail we Kamiur Rezail)

This no source for proof


I did wrote much evidences, so pls read it again and open your heart.

Ubadyullah Ahrar says: "Why is it not shirk to imagine all those Dunya things, like money, his wife, his shop, his work, his childs but imagine an Awliya is Shirk?"

Yes you simply submit and translate the FORGED evidenses of your Shayk, and this what the people of tawassuf always do relying on evidences fit to their selfs, or on fabricated reports.

(like the one who is used for making Rabita to a dead shayk o awliya:

they quote a mawdu hadeeth in which Nabi SAW should have said: When things are going not the way you like, ask help from the persons in the graveyard.

“İşlerinizde darlığa düştüğünüz zaman kabirdekilerden yardım isteyiniz.”

Ölüden yardım isteme konusunda şu hadis uydurulmuştur: “İşlerinizde ne yapacağınızı şa*şırdığınızda kabir ehlinden yardım is*teyiniz.”
Bu, Aclûnî'nin Keşf'ül-Hafâ adlı kita*bında yer alır. Aclûnî, bu söz için "İbn-i Kemal Paşa'nın el-Erbaîn'inde böyle geçer." ifadesini kullanır. İbn-i Kemal o sözü peygamberimize mal etmiş ama hiçbir kaynak gös*termemiştir. Bununla kalmamış, sözün doğruluğunu ispat için fel*sefi izahlara girmiştir. Kimi tarikatçılar da bu sözden hareketle “bir veli ölünce ruhu, kı*nından çıkmış kılınç gibi olur” derler.
Aclûnî, halk ara*sında hadis diye bilinen sözleri toplamış ve onların doğrusu ile asılsız ola*nını ayırmaya çalışmıştır. Bu sebeple o kitapta çok sayıda uydurma ha*dis vardır. Kitabın başında Peygamberimizin şu sözü vardır:


"Kim benden söylemediğim bir şeyi naklederse cehennemde oturacağı yere hazırlansın."

[Tazkiyah]

So it's an Anti tasawwuf thing you for the Naqshbandi Tariqa..

[VeiledOne]

As salaamu alaikum,

While reading this forum I was listening to a talk by Shaykh Husain Abdul Sattar and he was mentioning rabita, but I could not really understand what he meant by it. Could anybody familar with the naqshabandi tariqa of Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad (Allah perserve him) explain rabita according to his teachings?

wa salaam

I believe by Rabita he meant to keep the company of the Shaykh and continuously seek his advice. If one is not able to be in the physical company of the Shaykh, then to keep in touch with him and let the Shaykh know of one's condition and based upon this the Shaykh advises and guides the individual.


On tasawwuf.org there is a talk by Shaykh Kamaluddin Ahmed on the topic of rabita. Just click where it says representivies or something like that then the shaykhs name and scroll down until you find it.


Rabeta-e-Shaykh (http://www.tasawwuf.org/zambiaitikaf/1424/maulana_kamal/rabeta_shaykh.ram)
Mufti Kamaluddin Ahmed (Khalifa of Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad Naqshbandi) explains the importance of Rabeta-e-Shaykh.


The Rabita of the Naqshabndi mujadidi tariqa is different from the Rabita of the Naqshandi haqqanis.

[ozgurislam]

Sufism embraces countless different sects. Fundamentally, they are innovators both in there origin and in their name. They are not complying with the Qur’ân, the Sunnah and the practice of the Companions at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and after his death.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) warned against this when he said: “Whoever innovates in our religion something that is not from it will have it irejected.”

He also said: “Whoever does something innovated will have it rejected.”

There is no doubt that the rites of Sufism and its various brotherhoods never existed at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him), nor were they known to the Companions. This is clear in spite of the Sufis’ efforts to attribute these practices of theirs to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and the Companions.

In this concern, we say whatever we find of good, righteousness, true remembrance of Allah, piety and devotion in Sufism is more evident in pure Islam. Consequently, Sufism in and of itself is useless. We should be satisfied with what the people of the first, most preferable, centuries were satisfied with.

Conversely, whatever Sufism contains of innovations, falsehood and extremisms should be immediately abandoned.

This is a general ruling on Sufism. On the individual level, the ruling will be different from one person to another and from one Sufî approach to another. There are some devoted men in Sufism who are pious and righteous in spite of the fact that they also have fallen into some minor innovations. At the same time, there are some extremists who could be classified as unbelievers on account of their belief in certain false creeds.

Some of them believe that Allah manifests himself in some of His creatures, which is total nonsense. They would even say that the Creator and the creation is the same thing. Some Sufîs have a belief that when worshippers attain a certain level of spiritual awareness, they are exempted from the legal teaching of Islam.

Sufism was one of the catastrophic factors working against the Islamic nation throughout its history. It made people fall into weakness and humiliation. It destroyed the nation’s ability and efforts by its innovations and falsehood. It also engaged people in useless issues and encouraged unemployment, laziness and indolence.

The Sufi concept of loving Allah without fear or hope is misguided. Allah has ordered His servants to do the same as he ordered His prophets; that is - to obey Him and worship Him. Allah guided his Prophets to every possible form of righteousness. Likewise, He forbade them from all manner of sin. Thereafter, He promised the Prophets and the believers great rewards in this life and in the Hereafter.

Allah says: “If any one desires a reward in this life, in Allah’s (gift) is the reward (both) of this life and of the Hereafter” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 134].

Likewise, Allah has warned whoever disbelieves in Him and disobeys Him of punishment in this life and in the Hereafter.

Allah has guided His servants to fear Him and to to place their hopes in Him. He praises whoever does that. Allah says: “These were ever quick in doing good works: they used to call on Us in yearning and awe and humble themselves before Us.” [Sûrah al-Anbiyâ’: 90]

He says: “Those whom they call upon do seek (for themselves) means of access to their Lord, as to who are nearest. They hope for His mercy and fear His wrath: for the wrath of thy Lord is something to take heed of” [Sûrah al-Isrâ’: 57].

The true believers in Allah worship Him because they love Him, glorify Him, fear Him, and place their hopes in Him. This is the correct application of belief in Allah’s names and superior attributes. He is merciful but at the same time He is strict in punishment. Allah says: “Tell My servants that I am indeed the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful; And that My chastisement will be indeed the most grievous chastisement” [Sûrah al-Ra`d: 49-50].

Allah’s names and attributes imply that we should have all of these feelings: love, reverence, fear, and hope in Him.

The claim of some ignorant Sufis that they worship Allah because they love Him without any fear of Hell or any desire for His Paradise is a serious form of misguidance. Satan has convinced them of this errant way and made them think it is the best one. In fact, their claim derogates the prophets and the obligation of the people to follow them. This claim also belittles Allah’s rewards and punishments. This atitude is opposed to what Allah wants from His servants.

Allah has told us about Paradise and Hell so that the believers will yearn for Paradise and endeavor to be saved from Hell.

Fear and hope are two pillars of belief, and Allah has praised His servants who put both of these pillars into practice.

Whoever worships Allah without any consideration of fear and hope will be missing this obligation. He will also be missing out on Allah’s reward and the praise that Allah has bestowed on those who carry out this obligation.

The Sufis are contradicting human nature by their claim. Allah has created in people the desire to like what suits them and dislike what hurts them.

Allah told us that His servants solicit Him to avert from them the wrath of Hell and to provide for them what He promised them.

Allah says: 'Those who say, 'Our Lord, avert from us the wrath of Hell, for its wrath is indeed an affliction grievous'." [Sûrah al-Furqân: 65] and says: “And there are men who say: “Our Lord, give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter and save us from the torment of the Fire.”[Sûrah al-Baqarah: 201]

Among the supplications made by people of piety and understanding is to say: “Our Lord, grant us what You did promise unto us through Your Messengers and save us from shame on the Day of Judgment; for You never break Your promise” [Sûrah Âl-`Imrân: 194]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered us, upon reading the tashahhûd in our daily prayers, to seek refuge with Allah from four things: the torment of Fire, the torment in the grave, the trials of this life, and the Anti-Christ.

Those who worship Allah for other reasons, not out of fear or hope, will be abandoning such supplications. In this case, they are losing two virtues. One is that they are deprived of this righteous supplication and, second, the response from Allah for those who offer it.

This call of the Sufis is an unnatural innovation in our religion. We should dismiss such ideas and those who espouse them. We will never succeed except by following the way of the prophets and the pious predecessors.

Allah orders us to ask Him in every prayer to guide us: “Show us the straight way, the way of those on whom thou has bestowed thy grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath and who go not astray.” [Sûrah al-Fâtihah: 6-7]

[Muhammed Bahauddin]

As Salamu Alaikum

I think you dont understand ozgurislam.

I dont worship to my shaykh, he is the Mirror of Allah and through him I get barakah and noor. There are much evidences for this thing and Im really not interestet in any discussion and explanation.

So the topic is ending here, for me.

salam

[Goldi]

Brother ozgurislam. A refutation of tassawwuf is of no use here. It is the unquestionable view of the ulama of ahl us sunnah that the practice of tassawwuf is not a reprehensivle innovation.

Allahu A'lam