Murabitun

[Salaf]

Assalam u Alaikum

I was just wondering what you all think of the Murabitun?

They seem to me to be the only Sunni group who are saying anything worth listening to right now.

Wassalam

[faqir]

Wa alaykum asalam,

What are they saying?

:D

[Salaf]

Shaykh Abdalqadir as-sufi is their leader. His website has a lot of good articles.

http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/phtml/index.php

They promote all areas of Islam and establish islamic communities all over the world.

They are also highly critical of the wahhabis and more importantly the modernists. I feel sometimes that many sunnis will immediately attack the wahhabis but are willing defend any modernist who is a good speaker.

I'm sorry if I sound a bit extreme. :rolleyes:

[faqir]

I get the feeling they are living in a world of their own when it comes to issues like paper money and zakat and Islamic banking and so on but otherwise I've read some of his books and they're quite interesting.

[Muawiyah]

What's this "Tareeqah Mariamiah"?

[Shaykhs-Pir Sahib]

their idea of the re-institution of zakat and the real dinar and dirham - the authentic and true islamic monetary system based on gold and silver is actually very good and very accurate in principle - and has had effect in places such as UAE and Malaysia. One can now open 'accounts' of gold and trade in these new minted coins in those countries.

although practically speaking, i fail to see how it can be implented until the muslims leaders adopt it, withdraw from the IMF and world bank etc - not something they would like to do obviously.

of course, credit is due to the murabitun for their galliant efforts, but often some of their goals are not practical and implementation would be too difficult for most Muslims.

Groups are groups, and with it comes a group mentality, and the murabitun (along with HT, ALM, Ikhwan etc) are not free from it, and this is obvious from my experience directly with them... their attack on modernist, qutbi/salafi/ihwani thought deserves recognition, however.

its worth mentioning that Shaykh Hamza Yusuf used to be part of this group a long time ago....

[Muawiyah]

I personally think that modernists are a bigger threat than "salafis" though both of these sects are similar in being skeptical.

[Salaf]

I personally think that modernists are a bigger threat than "salafis" though both of these sects are similar in being skeptical.

Absolutely

I don't think there is enough criticism of the modernists from sunnis to be honest and instead they tend dump all the blame on "wahhabism".

One reason for this I believe is that modernists appear to be "nice muslims" who are always defending islam from attacks by the kuffar with their constant lectures on "Human's rights in Islam" and "The Islamic constitution". Hence sunnis are more hesitant to criticise them.

I've been to a lecture by one such modernist who dualy commended Muhammed Abdul ibn Wahhab as an islamic reformer and at the same time was preaching human rights. These insane contradictions are rife in modernist literature.

[Muawiyah]

What do the brothers think of the shaykh's conspiracy theory regarding the wahhabies?

[Salaf]

What do the brothers think of the shaykh's conspiracy theory regarding the wahhabies?

Which conspiracy?

[Muawiyah]

I'm reading "Letter to an Arab Muslim" right now. The shaykh has implied that the saudi leadership secretly hates Rasoolullah sallallaahu 'alyhi wa sallam because of his condemnation of Najd as a source of fitan.

[Salaf]

I'm reading "Letter to an Arab Muslim" right now. The shaykh has implied that the saudi leadership secretly hates Rasoolullah sallallaahu 'alyhi wa sallam because of his condemnation of Najd as a source of fitan.

A lot of muslims say that the wahhabis hate the Prophet (SAW).

I don't completely understand what they mean to be honest.

[Salaf]

Here are some talks by the Murabitun on education.

http://www.norwich.ac/conference/

"The Educated Man" is very good.

[Shaykhs-Pir Sahib]

as salamu alaykum

one great book they recently released is:

"Sufis and Sufism: a Defence"

it is a translation of a book (second edition) written by two well-known scholars from the islamic universtity in Fes, in response to two scathing attacks on our Imam, Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Alawi al-Maliki, and issues which the salafiyya have no comprehension of.

the book is an absolute MUST for those who do not understand issues such as:

1. mawlid an-nabi

2. tasawwuf - and jihad of the sufis

3. tawassul through the living and dead

4. intercession of the prophet (s)

5. the opinion that Madinah is superior to Makkah (indeed a valid opinion, and one which Imam Malik and many other scholars held)

..and the adab is immaculate - unlike the salafi counterparts who wrote the original books, which are quoted in many parts of the book.

[faqir]

Interesting article I came accross today by Sh. G.F. Haddad .....


The Murabitun
and Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani:
Umar Vadillo’s
“The Esoteric Deviation in Islam”

http://www.abc.se/~m9783/o/murb_e.html

[auron]

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Texashedge/oct182004.htmlhttp://joevialls.altermedia.info/wecontrolamerica/oilscam.html

[Muawiyah]

Does Shaykh Nazim say that Umar and Uthmaan Radhi Allaahu `anhum became kaamil through his du`aa?

[Adam]

As Salaamu Aleikum,

Subhanallah. What reading… :( Was accustomed to such tones and terminologies from the Neo-Kharijite/Neo-Mutazilite quarters – but have been sparred from it from amongst the People of Tasawwuf. The entire correspondence between Sidi Umar and Shaykh Gibril is very, very disturbing.

I do not know quite what to say, except that I have immense love and respect for Shaykh Abdal Qadir al Murabit. I also have immense love and respect for Shaykh Nazim al Haqqani. Does not mean I share any admiration for Der Fuhrer or I am fond of proselytizing on the arrival of Imam Mahdi Aleihi Salaam… :rolleyes:

May Allah bless the Shuyukh abundantly and shower His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon them and their students. I pray that Allah brings forth worthy and able students in their places to reflect that beautiful light of Salaam and Sakina. As a Jahil Aammi I can only admit love, admiration and my prayers for all righteous Shuyukh of our time – known and unknown – whom I have benefited immensely from, including Shaykh Abdal Qadir al Murabit, Shaykh Nazim al Haqqani, Shaykh Feisal Abdul Rauf, Shaykha Farriha al Jerrahi, Shaykh Kabir Helminski, Shaykh Asif Durakovic, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Shaykh Murabit al Hajj, Shaykh Nuh Keller, Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri, Shaykh Habib Ali al Jifri, Shaykh Ahmed Fredericks, Shaykh Syed Ikram in addition to all living guides of the Shadhili, Darqawi, Sanusi, Burhani, Naqshbandi, Jerrahi, Mevlevi, Qadiri, Rufai, Chisti, Khalwati, Habibi, and Ba Alawi Turuq…

A scary reminder that no matter who we are – we are never safe from the lowest in us. May Allah cover us from our shortcomings, wrongdoings, transgressions, sins, errors, omissions, ignorance and disobedience. :cry: May Allah enable us to realise what the entire affair and business is about and not let us waste our precious time and life-energy in the prisons of dispute and debate...

Lord increase the love between us - through you, by you, for you and unto you.

Subhaana Rabbika Rabbil Izzati Amma Yasifun, wa Salaamun alal Mursalin, wal Hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alamin. As Salaatu wa Salaamu Aleika ala Rehmatulil Alamin.

Salaam wa Nur,
Adam

[Lisanulhaq]

Assalamu Aleykum Dear Friends,

No, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim does not say that, from his dua, Umar and Uthman (raa)became kamil. Thats totally absurd, Im one of his murids, and I have been to Cyprus alhamdulillah. There is nothing of the sort among MAwlanas teachings. Ma'salaama,

Lisan

[GenN]

Assalamu Aleykum Dear Friends,

No, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim does not say that, from his dua, Umar and Uthman (raa)became kamil. Thats totally absurd, Im one of his murids, and I have been to Cyprus alhamdulillah. There is nothing of the sort among MAwlanas teachings. Ma'salaama,

Lisan


Assalmu alaykum brother.

A few more questions:

Does sheikh Nazim allow people to do sajada before him

Does he allow mixed gender congrgations.

Does he think the next grand naqshbandi sheikh after hi is going to be the mahdi?

These are claims i have head.

[ahsanirfan]

salam o alaikum

i found this video of shaikh nazim.. keep in mind that the people there are not all muslims... the shaikh is at a New Age foundation.... why he chose to do what he did in this video is still beyond me... wallahu alam...

http://www.shaykhnazim.net/sn-009.htm

only the 'modem' video works and it requires an extra codec to play... besides there are pictures there too.. if it doesn't work

Ma'as salam

['Abd al-Mustafa]

I personally think that modernists are a bigger threat than "salafis" though both of these sects are similar in being skeptical.


they are not sects

In Islam there is no such thing as a sect

[Lisanulhaq]

Assalamu Aleykum Friends,

Im glad you are all asking me these questions, please allow me to clarify. Mawlana Shaykh Nazim doesnt allow mixed gender congregations, in Cyprus, the women have a totally seperate guesthouse, and you can only approach there if you have a wife, or sister, etc.

The sajda issue is a non-issue, people just tend to make things up. Keep in mind, Mawlana is very old, and a lot of brothers help Mawlana while he's walking, etc. Thus, when Mawlana is sitting, when he requests to get up, the brothers come, and someone may hold his feet to stabilize, it may look like its sajda, but it is not, thats for sure.

About the Grandshaykh issue, Mawlana never even calls himself grandshaykh! There was someone who came to interview Mawlana one time, and thay asked him "what shall we call you, Mawlana, or Shaykh, or what?" Mawlana looked at them, and said "Ana Abdullah" and that was it. That interview is documented and is on tape, in arabic.

We wait for Imam Mahdi, and if Imam Mahdi happens to come out, he's the grandshaykh of everyone no matter what, am i right? He teaches us to wait for him, and be prepared, and that is it.

About the video, it's just a method of da'wa. Why look at the video as a means to judge, why not look at how many people he has made Muslim? Look at how he speaks against his OWN turkish government, in the open, without fear. He openly called Ataturk a Shaytan, whereas, if anyone else says it, you would be thrown in a Turkish prison.

Thank you all for the questions, I hope im able to shed some light. I recommend, instead of listening to rumors, make a visit to Cyprus, and sit with him, you will see not one sunnah being missed. If you read the translated book, al-Qalaid al-Jawahir about Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra), you will have flashbacks about the book, and the parallels of how Shaykh Jilani (ra) lived, and how Shaykh Nazim lives. After all, Shaykh Nazim is his great grandson. Ma'salaama,

Lisan ul-Haq

['Abd al-Mustafa]

Assalmu alaykum brother.

A few more questions:

Does sheikh Nazim allow people to do sajada before him

Does he allow mixed gender congrgations.

Does he think the next grand naqshbandi sheikh after hi is going to be the mahdi?

These are claims i have head.


lets keep them exactly the way they are 'these are claims I have heard'

[ahsanirfan]

thanks for clarifying brother lisan ul haq.. otherwise i wud have held opinions about him that werent true.. however.... i did see some women with covered heads in that video.. initially i did think that this was some sort of dawah technique.. but when i saw those women with covered heads, muslims in my opnion. i thot .. how can muslims make tawwaf to a man? that point is still unclear to me... please clarify brother... jazak Allahi khair once again for clarifying the other points.... and please dont misjudge me.. i feel that ishud clarify my doubts otherwise i will fall into error myself...

ma'as salam

[ahl-e-bayt]

salam ...

this murabit guy is definetly shady. All he talks about is politics. I read his book letter to an arab friend and read some of his stupid quotes here and there. Simply wack. On the other hand the naqshbandi leader is very successfull in dawa. and shouldnt be compared with this conspiracy theorist

[Lisanulhaq]

Assalamu Aleykum Brother Ahsanirfan,

Alhamdulillah, im glad you are asking, and trying to clarify things. People tend to judge before trying to find out the facts. The tawaf is just a kind of dhikr, as you may know, among the people of tasawwuf, there are many different kinds of dhikr. The Shadhiliyya, they have the Hadhra, standing dhikr, in Bosnia, they have one that deals with stomping, the whirling of the Mevlevis, etc.

So this dhikr was done, but it is not really a Naqshbandi dhikr, nor did we do that in Cyprus. Allah knows why it was done, but Mawlana knows what he's doing, he has definitely proven himself in methods of da'wa. No musical instruments are even used, just the duff at most. I see you are in Ontario, is Montreal near you? You can attend dhikr with Shaykh Ahmed Kone, he's a very down to earth man, and inshaAllah, just by your attendance, all doubts will be taken away inshaAllah. Ramadhan Mubarak to all, ma'salaama,

Lisan ul-Haq

[ahsanirfan]

i have heard of standing in circle and making dhikr.. at most moving in a circle and making dhikr... but i have never heard of moving in a circle around person and making dhikr..... however i do understand that the sheikh knows more than i..

anyway.. montreal is like MILES away from here..... and i do know sheikh ahmed kone... at least i have heard of him and read about him.... he sounds like a good sheikh.. anyways.. speaking of shuyukh.... i am interested in the shadhilli tariq... does anyone know of a shadhilli shaykh in mississauga, ontario, canada? i think there is one, mufti yusuf (my teacher) told me that there was one.... if anyone cud lemme know where he lives or his contact number that wud be amazing..... anyways.. jazak allahi khair

[Yasser]

assalaamua'alaikum wa rahmatullah,

Ahsan bhai, there is Sidi Hamza Karamali, in Mississauga, whose a very knowledgeable brother mashaAllah (sometimes answers questions and translates fatwas on sunnipath) and also a mureed of Shaykh Nuh. He usually hosts zikhr sessions at his place. I have a friend who follows the shadili tariqa that knows him well and if you'd like i'll get Sidi's contact info and e-mail you.

wassalaam

[Lisanulhaq]

Assalamu Aleykum Brother Ahsanirfan,

I heard of a Shadhiliyya shaykh in the Toronto area named Shaykh Ahmed Bakhoor, or something to that effect. I can't exactly remember his first name, but Shaykh Bakhoor was his title, have you looked into him?

I know Shaykh Nuruddeen Durkee's email address, he is a Shadhiliyya shaykh, and lives in the USA. Perhaps you'd like to email him and see if there is one around? If you are interested, I can send you his email address privately via email.

Perhaps I can give you a bit of advice, though im nobody, but its just some experience I had in the way. In the path to try and reach nearness to ALlah, one needs some one on one time with the shaykh, it is very important. The Shaykh has to be kamil, and this is more stressed in the Shadhili tariqa. Therefore, I do know of Shaykh Nuh, may Allah bless him, but that one on one contact is not there, for the shaykh to make tawajjuh. At the same time, Shaykh Nuh doesnt have a khalifa, so you might find it very difficult if you strive really hard, and this I say by experience.

You may ask Shaykh Nuruddin Durkee, he'll probably tell you the same thing, since this is a core idea in the traditional Shadhili turuq. The shaykhs job is not to ONLY to give fatwa, but to see the heart of the murid, and try and make changes within the heart. So find someone like that, and you will find the path inshaAllah open, and wide.

If you are financially fit, and can travel, then Shaykh Nuh's may inshaAllah work well with you. If you are interested in the email address, drop a message here of your email addy, and I will reply promptly inshaAllah. Also brother Ahsan, please remember that when you have narrowed down your tariqas, make istekhara, and inshaAllah, Allah will inspire you in the right direction, and you can benefit from whoever your shaykh may be. When I did my istekhara to join tariqa Naqshbandiyya with Mawlana Shaykh Nazim, I dreamt of Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani (ra), and he directed me to be murid of Shaykh NAzim, alhamdulillah.

Not everyone is meant to be on the same path, so I always consider istekhara to be the best way. Ma'salaama,

Lisan ul-Haq

[ahsanirfan]

Jazak Allahi khair both of you, brother Yasser and brother Lisanulhaq... i appreciate your help... shaykh nuh can be of help actually.. since his suhbas are held in buffalo (not so far from hamilton) in the summers... however to go further than that wud be beyind my means.... and if i find someone in mississauga that wud be amazing.. i know of a naqshbandi zawiya as well and was looking inot that too.... i wud appreciate it very much if you cud provide me with contacts of the shaykhs mentioned... btw.. how does one access the brothers forums (coz i have to put my email there for these brothers to be able to send me the contact info)?

ma'as salam

[Yasser]

assalaamua'alaikum wa rahmatullah,

JazakaAllahu khair as well bro. To gain access to the brothers forum, i believe, just click usercp on the top right below the signpost icon and once there it is the second option in the miscellaneous part of the control panel (group memberships) on the left side.

I'll get in touch with my friend and get the info to you asap.

wassalaam

Yasser

[ahl-e-bayt]

Does any one know any sheihks in the Baltimore Washingon area?

Does anyone know about bawa muhayideen? in PA ... I talked to a friend of mine and he said that he wasnt strong on sharia, however i really doubt that but i dont know why i doubt that. I just always felt he was a true guide.

[Lisanulhaq]

Assalamu Aleykummm,

Bawa Muhayiddeen, from what I saw, is very traditional. I met Shaykh Muhammad Akili in Philadelphia, and he is a GREAT man and great shaykh mashaAllah. He is from Rifai tariqa, but traditional Rifai, he doesnt pierce himself, etc. He studied under Bawa back when Bawa was alive.

I recommend, dear brother, if you have not, please visit the grave of Bawa Muhayiddin, you will see that his maqam/dergah is full of baraka, and there is a well of zam zam there, you can drink out of it. At the same time, i totally recommend that you visit Shaykh Muhammad Al-Akili, he is a great man, and a great shaykh, excellent in his shariah, fiqh al-hanafi. I recommend you contact him, and go visit him in Philadelphia, you should make a special trip out just to meet him.

In the DC area, I know of Shaykh Nuruddin Durkee. You should go visit him as well, he is a great man also, was a good friend of my shaykh, Shaykh Mazhar Jamil, who was khalifa of Mawlana Shaykh Nazim. He passed away about a year ago. [edit]

At the same time, you may attend a dhikr naqshbandiyya there in DC, i heard they do a strong one. InshaAllah you will enjoy that, ma'salaama.

Lisan ul-Haq

[UmmZaid]

Salaam 'Alaikum

Regarding shayukh of the Shadhili way in Ontario: There is a sheikh in Toronto, his name is Sheikh Faisal Abdur Razzak. I think his website is islamic forum.com or something like that. I'm sure if you ask around, you'll meet people who know him... if you haven't heard of him already.

[jameel]

salam
try visiting livingislam.com to see what shaykh gibril has to say about them.

[Brit]

Salaam 'Alaikum

Regarding shayukh of the Shadhili way in Ontario: There is a sheikh in Toronto, his name is Sheikh Faisal Abdur Razzak. I think his website is islamic forum.com or something like that. I'm sure if you ask around, you'll meet people who know him... if you haven't heard of him already.

I know him. He's the uncle of my close friends.

[Salaf]

Salaam

Has anyone seen the debate about livingislam on the Bewely updates group.

Apparently the site has a lot of perrenialist material on it.

[Mossy]

Salaam

Has anyone seen the debate about livingislam on the Bewely updates group.

Apparently the site has a lot of perrenialist material on it.

Yeah.. For some reason Umar Vadillo seems not to like them much. Looking at his book on the esoteric deviation in Islam, it's not hard to see why ;)

It all seems a bit sordid (http://www.abc.se/~m9783/o/dstm_e.html)...

[saq333]

salaam,

im hearing a lot about this group.

whats the low down on them?

salaam
saqib

[Abdullah_Faysal]

It this what you are talking about

http://murabitun.cyberummah.org/exposed/

I don't agree with him that Hilter was a great man, he was a disbeliver, and he killed himself.

Salam Calaykum


:astagh:

[saq333]

It this what you are talking about

http://murabitun.cyberummah.org/exposed/

I don't agree with him that Hilter was a great man, he was a disbeliver, and he killed himself.

Salam Calaykum


:astagh:


Wsalaam,

Yeah! I went to that website, it scared the heck out of me!!
It looked like something you see on 20/20 or Dateline, with all these newpaper articles and stuff.
Crazy man.

Its confusing thoguh.

is there anyone on this board that supports them? Id like to hear their viewpoint.

[Muawiyah]

"Once I was helping Hajj Abd al-Aziz Redpath to move house in Norwich, and while moving furniture around, me and a brother came across a pile of .38 special bullets boxes. That day we realized the hidden agenda was much bigger than we had thought..."

I commend them!

[Muawiyah]

Ok, that guys real charge is that the shaykh is actually a white-supremacist who has worn "islamic" clothes to get arab funding. I don't know if that's true or not, but starting a refutation with charges of "anti-semitism" and "militancy" or "terrorism" sort of invalidates whatever is about to come next.

[saq333]

Salaam,

Ive been in a Yahoo Group "Bewelyupdates" for several months now.
I first joined it to learn about Maliki Fiqh;
didnt know that it was a major Murabitin gathering.
Actually most didnt talk about anything; good debates and stuff like on Sunniforum.
Br Umar V also posts on there regularly, and seems like a good guy.

but, it just seems to me that this group is a little shady.


Check out this post by AbdurRahman Lomax. Many of you may know of him, he's written countless essays and stuff, mostly on comparative religion. I came across this one, and it was written in 1997:

as-salamu 'alaykum.

I lived for a time, in 1978-79, in Tucson, with the followers of the
shaykh, AbdulQadir, and edited and helped to publish a number of books
by him. I was ejected from the community rather abruptly, an event
which I very rapidly came to appreciate with deep gratitude. I caution
my reader against jumping to conclusions about this.

The majority of the people whom I knew as AbdulQadr's people at that
time subsequently left or were thrown out. But I did follow up the web
site suggested by Othman and apparently some of the people, especially
among the English fuqara, are still with the shaykh. ("Fuqara"
literally means "the poor," but it is used to indicate the followers
of a shaykh.)

But what really fascinates me is that, in the United States at least,
quite a few of the most knowledgeable Muslims have been associated, at
one time or another, with AbdulQadir, some quite closely. AbdulQadr
encouraged his followers to pursue their education in traditional ways
(at al-Azhar and elsewhere) and he also attracted Muslims who were
already well-educated and knowledgeable in the diyn.

So when I saw the article on the Murabitun, which is the name by which
his followers are now known, I immediately followed up on it and
downloaded the documents at the site. I was immediately struck by one
oddity: the style of the writing seemed familiar.

It does, in fact, resemble the style of AbdulQadr himself. I am
drawing no conclusions from that fact.

othman@sinet.it (Othman The Italian) wrote:

>The Murabitun sect has for over 25 years used Islam and his people as
>a trampolin to launch freemasonic projects. Its founder, scottish Ian
>Dallas alias Shaykh Abdalqadir al-Murabit, has been an infiltrate
>working closely with right wing neo-nazis and the royal colonial
>family of England.

The article claims that the origins of Ian Dallas are unknown.
Probably that is true for him, but Ian Dallas was fairly well-known
before he accepted Islam. In the film "Don't Look Back," Bob Dylan
mentioned him: "There is only one interesting man in England, and it's
that man Dallas." Dallas also played the magician, I am told, in the
most famous Fellini film, the name of which escapes me at the moment.

But I never heard him talk about his pre-islamic life, nor much about
himself at all.

>The damage they have inflicted on the Muslim Ummah
>almost can't be measured:

Well, can it or can't it be measured? Does that mean that it is very
great or very small?

>in Spain they have sold the mosque they ran
>for over a decade to the vatican, ignoring the offers put forth by
>local Muslims; in the UK they attempted a similar act with the Norwich
>Ihasan mosque, but they were promptly stopped by the local Muslim who
>reacted by all possible means.

In Spain, I hope they got a good price.

There are dark implications in the charges. AbdulQadr is called an
"infiltrate" (the grammar in the announcement is not as good as on the
web page); this is, frankly, ridiculous. He is the leader of a cult,
no doubt, and it might be possible that he is "working with the royal
colonial [sic] family" in England, but, if so, it would be either
calling them to Islam, or working with some of them after they have
accepted Islam, or doing business as one would do business with a
leading family in a country where one is active.

If a mosque is waqf, it is somewhat offensive that it be sold, but the
owner of a building has a right to sell it. Presumably, if they sold a
building, they had the right to sell it, else the building was not
sold at all.... And that a building is sold to the Vatican (whatever
that means: does it mean the Catholic Church or some agency thereof?)
is pretty irrelevant.

>Ian Dallas has held secret meetings with ex-CIA agents, freemasons and
>notorious satanist; his litterature is full of reference to the works
>of such people. He went as far as stating that:

And now we come to the meat of the charges. Essentially, the charge is
that AbdulQadr is a Sufi. Shocked, I'm shocked....

>-- the light of Allah is BLACK,
>-- Allah is everywere,
>-- the the ummah went astray with Abu Hanifah,
>-- Abu Hanifah might have poisoned Ja'far as-Siddiq,
>-- The blackstone of the Ka'bah is in reality the Templars' Holy Grail,
>-- Hitler was a Muslim,
>-- Saudis are fire-worshippers because they trade in oil,
>...and much more.

Some of these are quite interesting. About the "light of Allah," what
color is it *not*? The one about the Templars is fascinating.
AbdulQadr may or may not have said any or all of these things at one
time or another, though I somewhat doubt that he said "Allah is
everywhere." However, AbdulQadr was known for saying pretty much
whatever needed to be said to shake his people out of their
complacency.

> The incredible thing is that for so long he got away
>with it! But then a small group of his follower understood that things
>were wrong and turned against him: they exposed the whole truth,
>working against all odds. Now, after a long struggle, the full text of
>this explosive exposure-book is available on the Net:

What odds? How difficult is it to write a piece and put up a web page?

I have not read much of the piece yet, just the first screen of each
page and then a fair amount of the postface, a piece by a disgruntled
follower -- for a short time -- of AbdulQadr who clearly has not
integrated his experience.

> http://www.sinet.it/Islam/murabit/dall-00.htm
> ,,,,don't miss it. Before it gets censured!!! After all: you have
>been affected too!!

It would be pretty effective, if one actually fears that there might
be some censorship, to post each of the chapters here on s.r.i. But
this fear of censorship betrays the paranoia which permeates the book.

Yes, I have been affected, yes, al-hamdu lillah.

I doubt that I would be Muslim today if not for AbdulQadr, though, of
course, Allah is the doer of what he intends. In his company and in
the company of his followers, I experienced what might be possible in
a Muslim society, and then the whole thing was demolished, and I was
left to try to rebuild it on my own. This, I think, is his project.

Those who remain attached to him, one should be aware, are not
necessarily his true followers. When he told me that I "must" leave,
one of his followers said to me, "Don't pay any attention to that,
just hang around and in a few weeks it will all blow over." I was
astounded to hear this.

AbdulQadr had told the story of a faqir of Al-Alawi, I think it was,
who was told by his shaykh something like "Go away," and the man
travelled for the rest of his life.

He once sent two question to the zawiya for the assembled fuqara to
consider. "Are you hobbits, and do you want to change?" (The reference
is to Tolkien's little creatures of comfort and habit.)

The fuqara solemnly considered the question, and decided to send back
the message, "Yes, and Yes." But there was one dissent. I said, for
me, the answer was "Yes, and No." After all, if I wanted to change,
surely I would be changing....

I think I may have previously written in s.r.i. how I was asked to
leave, but it might have been in private e-mail, so here it is:

I was put into retreat by AbdulQadr, to make hadra. At first, I was
not told how long this would go on. I was simply told to stand and
make dhikr from fajr to maghrib, and then recite a certain litany
until 'isha, and to continue this until further notice. During the
day, other fuqara were sent into the room to stand with me.

Now, I had an image of myself as pretty much of a wimp. But I was
amazed to find that, after an hour or two with me, the other fuqara
had to stop. They could not keep up.

But, after the first half of a day and the next full day, I was
beginning to be pretty sore. And I had business matters which had not
been turned over. Anyway, in the middle of the night, I left the
retreat and walked home, a few miles away. Shortly thereafter, a
message arrived from AbdulQadr. I was to meet him at the zawiya. So I
went there and was told that the instructions were that I was to drink
a quart of water and have a meal with some meat and wait for him to
arrive. Not much later he showed up, and we were left alone.

He said "Don't worry, I expected you to walk out. But I thought it
would take three days." (Actually, when the khilwa started, I had
thought, I could do this for three days, then I'll have to leave
because of the business.)

But I said to him, "I've been thinking ..." He seemed a bit surprised.
"... You told everyone, the other day, that you have been assuming
that we have a contract, and that we must tell you if we do not have a
contract. Well, we do not have a contract."

I was referring to "contract" as it is understood in law, which means
an agreement between two or more parties where one will do A in
consideration of another doing B. It is the essence of a contract that
the respective duties be clear. If they are not clear, there is no
contract, and it is of the essence of a contract that it cannot be
entered into unilaterally. I did not mean that I was not willing or
did not *want* to have a contract, but was only indicating that it was
not clear.

AbdulQadr's immediate response was, "you must leave." Then he said,
"It is a shame. You were so close...." Then he said, "You must not
talk about fana." And then he said to go out and eat the meal which
had been prepared for me.

So I went out and ate, and the muqaddim (who was subsequently to
become another refugee from the fuqara) came and sat with me, and we
talked. I said, "when a baby is born, if you try to pull the cord out
of the mother too quickly, you can kill the mother." The muqaddim then
went in and spoke with AbdulQadr. He came out shortly and said,
"AbdulQadr has three messages for you:"

(1) When you explain a metaphor you kill it."
(2) You are teaching without knowledge.
(3) You must leave immediately.

When I went home, I found that the fuqara who had been living with me
had abruptly moved out. I went to my business, which was being run by
fuqara, and it had a note on the door, "closed for the day, sorry for
the inconvenience." I sent a letter to AbdulQadr, I forget what I
wrote, probably some bubbles rising from my nafs, and it was returned
unopened.

A year or so later, I was travelling in California and I passed
through Santa Barbara, where Harun Sugich was living. He had been the
muqaddim in Tucson before, somewhat mysteriously, he had been replaced
by the man mentioned above. He told me that a few weeks after the
incident described, AbdulQadr told him, "I don't know what AbdulRahman
was talking about. I don't have a contract with anyone."

Harun gave me a phone number for AbdulQadr who was then in Los
Angeles. I called it and one of the English fuqara answered. I said
that I had a message for AbdulQadr. He asked me what it was, and I
said, "As-salamu 'alaykum." The man left the phone for a moment, and
then came back. He said, "AbdulQadr returns your salaam and says that
whatever you do, you will find success."

This was, I think, in 1980. I have had no further contact with
AbdulQadr.

When the company of the fuqara was taken from me, I was left with
nothing but Allah. How could I be other than grateful?

When I was with the fuqara, we spent most of our time sitting around,
drinking tea, and talking about how superior Islam was over all the
kufr around us. But when I was left to myself, I started to actually
read the Qur'an, to put my time into its company. I left Tucson, sold
my business (which was a minimum-wage trap for me) for a debt owed,
found a new profession (which still supports me and my wife and allows
me the time to write), went through personal changes, numerous and
extensive, and am still travelling. Perhaps we'll show up in
Philadelphia, perhaps not.

My greetings to the fuqara. Surely the Messenger is found with the
fuqara.


AbdulraHman Lomax

[Muawiyah]

Whatever is it supposed to mean? {please don't give "When you explain a metaphor you kill it" type answers}

Also, when you do the "standing zikr" mujahidah from Fajr to Maghrib are you excused from zuhr and `Asr? Or do you pray them standing? or are you given a break at prayer time?

[saq333]

Ok, that guys real charge is that the shaykh is actually a white-supremacist who has worn "islamic" clothes to get arab funding. I don't know if that's true or not, but starting a refutation with charges of "anti-semitism" and "militancy" or "terrorism" sort of invalidates whatever is about to come next.

I agree.
that neonazi stuff is just slander.
I talk with some people who belong to the murabitun, they arent like that.

what does bother me though, is the mysteriousness of their shaykh abdulqadir

[Omar HH]

I'm personally at least suspicious of them.

I trust Shaykh Gibril Haddad.

Jazakallahu Khayrun

[muslim786]

I'm personally at least suspicious of them.

I trust Shaykh Gibril Haddad.

Jazakallahu Khayrun
but isnt the guidiing helper foundation affiliated with them?

[Sunni_Student786]

.........At the same time, i totally recommend that you visit Shaykh Muhammad Al-Akili, he is a great man, and a great shaykh, excellent in his shariah, fiqh al-hanafi. I recommend you contact him, and go visit him in Philadelphia, you should make a special trip out just to meet him.

Lisan ul-Haq

Does anyone know how one could get a hold of Shaykh Muhammad Al-Akili, e.g. the Masjid or school that he is affiliated with?

And where could I get some more info on him?

I ask because I am going to be going to school (insha'allah) in the Philadelphia area sometime in the near future and would like to avail myself of the opportunity learn from a qualified shaykh.

If anyone could give me the info I requested above insha'allah, I'd appreciate it.

[Omar HH]

but isnt the guidiing helper foundation affiliated with them?

No!

This is not true what so ever!

They have even put down the link they previously had to his website on their page.

The Guiding Helper has a policy of not saying ANYTHING about other groups. They show the way of Ahlul Sunnah and show what entails misguidance, innovation, and disbelief in general terms. Even if a scholar is quoted in a question to them - out of their respect they do not name that scholar (and instead put up things like Shaykh XYZ).

The Guiding Helper's website said about the Murabitun (they just recently took their entire Mahdi FAQ down) when it was asked:


some people are saying you are affiliated with the "Murabitun" or
something and that they are some suspicious group?

As for the Murabitun they are not affilated with us and we are not affilated with them.

[Mossy]

Hmm.. Didn't they used to have Murabitun shaykhs in the teachers section though? The Guiding Helper also said the Murabitun were free from criticism from them.

[Omar HH]

Hmm.. Didn't they used to have Murabitun shaykhs in the teachers section though? The Guiding Helper also said the Murabitun were free from criticism from them.

Yes they don't criticize other groups at all (look at their beliefs section to use as a yardstick to judge people). As for Sufi groups they reccomend the book on their website al-Mabasith al-Assiyah (or something like that) translated "A Gem for those who want to travel the path" to use as a litmus test on a group to see if they are true Sufis or not. They have nothing bad to say about other groups and have said multiple times that their way is only ONE way to follow the Din, and also ONE way to follow Maliki fiqh (albeit 95% popular opinions) and there are other ways to follow the din.

They have not sponsored any other groups. They do not criticze or condone.

This is obvious from their words on the "Human Teacher" link:


The Guiding Helper Foundation has an open door policy for all tolerant teachers of the din with authentic traditional training. We hope we can help students meet up with their guides in the din via this link page.

The Guiding Helper Foundation is not involved in determining the teacher's curicula nor the fees that are charged. You will have to discuss with the teacher what you want to study and should expect to compensate the teacher for all travel expenses incurred (if you do not yourself travel to him) and also adequately for the time spent teaching you at the standard rate charged by the teacher.

And they also say in their teacher FAQ:


Can you guarantee that my profile will stay up indefinitely?

No. We cannot guarantee such. We may remove your profile without advance notice if we experience problems or many different students complain to us. Nevertheless, we are interested in encouraging a wide variety of teachers so your profile will probably not be removed without due cause.

Yes, they did have Shaykh Abdal Qadir al-Sufi's website up previously but they did remove it. To add a teacher you must file a request here:

http://www.guidinghelper.com/add_teacher.html

As can be shown by their FAQ as well:


Do I have to pay the Guiding Helper Foundation for putting my profile info on this site?

No. All you need to do is provide us your profile info and we will add it to this site for free. Additionally, we will not charge you for keeping the link up.

Therefore someone requested the Shaykh to be linked on the human teacher page and so it was linked. They later took it off. We should not assume that the Guiding Helper disagrees or criticizes him nor should we assume that the Guiding Helper approves of or agrees with them.

[Lisanulhaq]

Assalamu Aleykum Brother,

You want to get a hold of Shaykh Akili? He's a great man, i met him personally some years ago at his home, a real shaykh. Go to his website, pearlpublishing.com, and get the contact info, and just call him up! Thats how I did it, ma'salaama,

Lisan ul-Haq

[OneLife]

:salam:

I don't know how many other people read this thread, but the mureed of Sh. Nazim did clear up some misonceptions and provided good info if you ask me. Perhaps, if he sees this, he may post more on SF.

Also, I still don't get the deal with the murabitun. Do many people have a problem with Abdul Qadir as-Sufi only, or is it with the murabitun in general, such as Ustadha Aisha Bewley (though I've never read anything agaisnt her, only praises)?

Why is there so much squabbling between different tariqats. I try to stick up for this stuff, but sometimes it ends up in an opposite light.

:ws:

[redamin]

Salam

do you have sheikh Nizami al Haqani address in Cyprus , can you please e-mail me at [clip, no emails on public boards :jazak:]

Thank you

[celt islam]

It this what you are talking about

http://murabitun.cyberummah.org/exposed/

I don't agree with him that Hilter was a great man, he was a disbeliver, and he killed himself.

Salam Calaykum


:astagh:

Reply to the "Murabitun Files"

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean" -Humpty Dumpty.

Nowhere has the role of Lewis Carrol as linguistic architect of the twentieth century been more apparent than in the world of politics. Nouns, verbs and adjectives are flung about with great enthusiasm, anger and sincerity, leaving mythological trails so evident that not one of them needs to be explained. Hitler is one of them. It produces a nod of instant understanding of what the whole thing is about. The issue presents itself as self-evident.

In our case, what is presented is deprived of any context. This is seen as superfluous. The sentence that irritates Mr Haddad is "Hitler was the only Mujahid of the century". This sentence if deprived of context is open to anybody's imagination of what it means. Yet, the genuine enquirer will ask: Was Shaykh Abdalqadir speaking about Muslims, or was he speaking about European history? Did Shaykh Abdalqadir said that Hitler was a Muslim, or was using the word mujahid as meaning "a person who fought"? In which way, was Shaykh Abdalqadir speaking of him as a fighter? Fighter against what? What was the general theme of the conference in which the talk was set? Where was it said? To whom?

No, Shaykh Abdalqadir did not say that Hitler was a Muslim. He, in fact, said in the same talk that he was a kafir. That last sentence, the last part of the discourse and the final dua was edited from the tape that "Uthman, the Italian" presented in his "Murabitun Files". The talk was part of a Conference of European Muslims assembled in Granada entitled "Islam in Europe". The Conference centred on issues concerning European culture, history and politics. As Shaykh Abdalqadir said: "You must understand the ways of kufr if you are going to defeat it". To fight Riba, is well known, a matter of great importance to Murabitun. Hitler was the last Christian attempt to fight capitalism. This evident in his famous proclamation of "Brechung der zinzsknechshaft" (breaking of the slavery of usury). He fought and failed. Shaykh Abdalqadir said that they failed because of their kufr. (the actual quote and the relevant pieces from the "end of the tape" are included down below). In similar context he spoke of Wagner and Heidegger. I has never been suggested that they were Muslims, or that they are a model to us, or that we should imitate them or follow them. If someone wishes to understand how we view Heidegger, you can read my recent posts on him. If somebody does not wish to understand, then there is very little we can do.

What is interesting is how these issues are twisted and elevated to be "the matter of interest". Then, they become the theme of a public debate. Or should we say "the illusion" of a public debate? Is this what Murabitun is talking about? Or is this the smoke screen to hide the "real themes"? Is Murabitun only talking about Hitler? How often do we mention his name? The answer to the last to questions is no; hardly ever.

This mythology is further simplified by the tendency to use interchangeably the phrases with a random order. The word Hitler presented appropriately represents a self-evident means of disapproval. The illusion is so complete that we forget to ask who is arguing with such fervour against Murabitun? Who is Uthman, the Italian?, who is Mr Haddad?

Uthman, the Italian is a psychopath frustrated murderer. We know him quite well. The author of the "Murabitun Files" is an ex-member of Murabitun, who attempted to murder his own father-in-law by stubbing him repeatedly with a knife in his belly, while other person was holding his hands at the door of his own house. He survived just by miracle. He has escaped prison in Italy, but not the judgement of Allah. After he became self-persuaded that we were going to murder him, in an Italian vendetta style, he went fanatical in attacking us with the most ludicrous gobbledygook which he gathered in his "Murabitun Files".

Mr Haddad, has personal reasons to attack us. He thinks he can vindicate the name of Shaykh Nazim by presenting us as a Nazis. The reason behind this is the recent publication of my latest book "The Esoteric Deviation". The book is not about Shaykh Nazim, but it is rather a thoroughly argued case of the Esoterisation of Sufism and the Shariah in the XX century. Shaykh Nazim is presented as a study case of "extreme Mahdism". Mr Haddad's own thinking, in view of who his teachers are, forces him to deny the book. His recent attacks on Murabitun and our Shaykh, are part of this strategy.

The curious thing about our attackers, is that very few of them are ready to stand to the same scrutiny that they want to impose on us. They resist it. Instead, they hope to remain behind the barriers with no attention place on them. Still more curious, if you begin to question them, you discover that they are horrified at the prospect that they may have to explain what "do they stand for". They are, in effect, the judges and jury, but they cannot explain, except vaguely, what their own position is. We, Murabitun, on the contrary have to do it all the time -which we do gladly.

When the matter 'what do you stand for' comes to the surface, their words and accusations, which they have flung so passionately, lose their entity. They hang on their words with real zeal because in the face of a real debate they have no other argument. Their words do not lead anywhere they are only intended to prevent the real debate. The real debate is what frightens them.

What we have done in the past and we continue to do, is to ignore this non-sense. We undertake them it is part of being politically active. We understand that the more politically accurate you are, the more this kind of calumnies will emerge. It only shows the frustration from the opponent.

What we are concerned with will not be altered. Our political stand against capitalism, the present face of kufr, is open and clear for everyone to know. If any one wants to know what we stand for he has no need to go to sectarian journalists, they can come and ask us directly. I have always dedicated a considerable effort in the past to make our position clear. It is written and it has been spoken. We do not hide.

I consider my contribution to the work against kufr to do da?wa and to introduce the Gold Dinar. My concern, and our concern as Murabitun, is to be in the front line of action. We are minting coins, doing da'wa, building mosques, markets, maddrassas for the sake of Allah only. The sincerity of our people and the devotion to their work is best expressed by our achievements. What we have done and what we are doing today can be seen. We have the people and the communities around the world.

The Islamic Gold Dinar is a hot issue. When it comes into your hands it forces a decision: approval or disapproval. This will grow in intensity with every new coin in circulation. If we succeed with Allah's approval, we shall see the end of the banking system. The Dinar is a powerful tool for the unity Muslim nation, it will restore our muamalat, and will bring us closer to political union. Those who have entrenched in the moral comfort of the status quo would feel threatened. What we can tell them is that we do not live in their myths.

Umar Vadillo

Extracts from "the end of the tape" "The time has come for the Muslims to regain leadership and transform the world taken over by the usurers. [] You must understand the ways of kufr if you are going to defeat it. [] Hitler, Wagner and Heidegger fought in their way within the means of kufr and failed. Their kufr was [the reason for] their failure[]. Do not be deceived by the historical picture that kufr offers of itself. You have to see through the cracks to understand what really happened[]. kufr is one. May Allah open our hearts to His Immense Mercy and give us the determination to establish His deen in its former glory. [] May Allah give us the strength in our helplessness before Him to restore our leadership on the path to the Khalifate[] May Allah gives us the wisdom to return to the Gold Dinar and finish with the illusion of a world of false wealth. May Allah give us a strong brotherhood that gives us discrimination between Islam and kufr."

[Taalibu-Allaah Ta`aalaa]

Assalaamu`alaykum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuh

If anyone is interested and/or has access to Shaykh Nuh, one way or the other, would find it very interesting in asking him about Abu Qanit, from Guiding Helper Foundation.

Wassalaam

[scents of paradise]

subhanallah 58 posts so far and the thread isnt even locked..open one about other sufi groups and they r locked straight away

[Abu 'Abdallah]

As-salamu 'Alaykum Celt Islam,

Did Shaykh 'Abd al-Qadir al-Sufi initiate Shaykh Fadhlullah Haeri into the Shadhiliyyah order?

wa salam,
Abu 'Abdallah

[celt islam]

As-salamu 'Alaykum Celt Islam,

Did Shaykh 'Abd al-Qadir al-Sufi initiate Shaykh Fadhlullah Haeri into the Shadhiliyyah order?

wa salam,
Abu 'Abdallah

shaykh abdal qadir as sufi and shaykh fadhlullah are close freinds and share the same tariqah , i have met shaykh fadhullah and is is an amazing man , here is his website : http://www.nuradeen.com/Nuradeen.htm

as far i as i know shaykh abdal qadir gave idhin to shaykh fadhullah.

[Abu 'Abdallah]

Thank you for your response akhi. I recently saw his new book "Son of Karbala" with an introduction from my professor S.H. Nasr. It is interesting to see how all of these branches are connected.

wa salam,
Abu 'Abdallah