View Full Version : ANSWERED: "Ya shaykh Madad"? "Ya Ali madad"? "Ya rasul Allah madad"?
20-09-2004, 10:52 PM
Halal or Haram according to sunni Islam?
21-09-2004, 06:25 AM
Could someone elaborate / provide a more thorough explanation as the counter argument of Sh. GF Haddad is rather more detailed......
21-09-2004, 01:07 PM
this question was posed to Mufti Ebrahim Moosa from Leicester, and the discussion can be read here (http://www.fisabilillah.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78)
21-09-2004, 05:32 PM
Asalamu alaykum, JazakAllah khair Akhi.
Once again, however, there appears to be contradicting views on this issue.
I would be interested to know what Mufti Ebrahim Moosa thinks of Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam's fatwa here:
Could you ask him if there is any contradiction with what he and Mufti Muhammad mention?
22-09-2004, 12:05 AM
As Salaamu Alaykum,
As far as the answer is concerned, we have been taught that which my teacher, Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam Sahib, has mentioned in his Fatwaa.
However, i believe that the difference of opinion lies in the way one interprets the source and similarly the sources one takes.
In addition, the strictness of Ulamaa and Muftis also vary. I know people who would regard such phrases as totally impermissable and yet others who would go to an extent to call you a Kaafir if you regarded it as a bad practice to saying such phrases.
However, the best path is the middle path, it is important to create a balance in everything. Islam teaches us to maintain a certain level of balance. Therefore, we cannot go to extremes and make that which is permissible as impermissible and vice versa.
The point to remember here is, that many Ulamaa may ask people to refrain from such phrases as they may not now the actual Aqeedah (belief) of that person. If a person says such phrases whilst having the belief that the person he is asking from is the one who is going to help him, then this belief is totally wrong. However, if, as Mufti Muhammad Sahib mentioned, we consider them as a Waseelah (means) then this is totally fine.
I hope this clarifies some of the contradictions that may have come up.
Wallahu A'lam bisawaab.
23-09-2004, 04:40 AM
I agree with Maulana Zain. I must say though that the original question relates to statements such as "Ya shaykh Madad", "Ya Ali madad", and "Ya rasul Allah madad" which do not explicity mention those named as being intermediaries. Therefore, in my humble opinion, such statements should be avoided, since they do give the impression (at the very least) that one is seeking help directly from those named, as opposed to using them as intermediaries between the seeker and Allah. Anything that resembles kufr or shirk should be avoided.
Allah knows best.
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