Video: Hadra with Shaykh Shaghouri

[salman]

Salamu `Alaykum

For those who havent seen this Hadra - or the Hadra at all - it's up on Google.

See:

Shadhili Hadra: Shaykh Shaghouri (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6761417473258986134&q=hadra)

Wasalam

[lumumba_s]

:salam:

Where did this come from and is there any way that I can get it in a MPEG, AVI or WMV video format?

[ahmedqman]

Looks fun...

The jumping is a little too much for me though...

But I've never been much of a "movement" man.

[lumumba_s]

:salam:

I know where it was shot, I mean, who put it online? There is the link to Shaykh Nuh Keller's site, but I am not aware of them every putting out any videos out.

[al-Hanbali]

Is that Shaykh Nuh there with the reddish beard and glasses? For some reason i think that is him. Can anyone confirm for me if thats him? Its so nice to put a face with a name.

[abu_zayd99]

Salamu `Alaykum

For those who havent seen this Hadra - or the Hadra at all - it's up on Google.

See:

Shadhili Hadra: Shaykh Shaghouri (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6761417473258986134&q=hadra)

Wasalam

Just wondering...I am not asking the permissibility of this as I dont want to be bombarded with links upon links, but just about what I am seeing.

1)what are they saying?

2)Why the bowing or rocking back in forth(are they jumping as well)?

3)Where do they get these movements from?

3)Who is the older gentleman in the wheel chair?(InshAllah they are not bwoing to them???)

4)What are they gaining from this?

Sorry but just watching this make me feel very uneasy...but that is just me.

[salman]

Salamu `Alaykum

This video has been accessible for a while - it's just been put on Google recently. Ive had it on a CD for the past year or so.

I dont think Shaykh Nuh is in this one. If anyone can confirm?

Wasalam

[majhul]

Assalam alaikum,

Shaykh Nuh is nowhere in this video. The perosn with the red beard is someone else. Shaykh Nuh is much older than him.

[al-Hanbali]

brother Abu Zayd 99, this might help>

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45515&postcount=115

[salman]

Salamu `Alaykum

Just as a clarification to everyone, they are *not* bowing to Shaykh Shaghouri.

Shaykh Shaghouri was very ill in his last days, thus the reason why he was on a wheelchair. As I understand, the Shaykh himself usually walks around the circle and a particular time and this is considered the "high point" of the Hadra. However, since Shaykh Shaghouri could not walk, he went around in the wheelchair.

Wasalam

[lumumba_s]

:salam:

Shaykh Nuh doesn't allow himself to be taped or photographed, but I've heard that he recently allowed someone from London to an video interview with him for a special about terrorism and extremism that someone is producing for the BBC (I think). I'm sure it will be one of the most popular public broadcast videos ever produced . . . :)

On and a more solemn note, I believe that this was the last hadra that the noble Shaykh `Abd al-Rahman attended, Allah ennoble his secret and give him the highest of Firdaws, he and our mother Umm Ibrahim al-Yaqubi.

[abu_zayd99]

brother Abu Zayd 99, this might help>

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45515&postcount=115


JazaakAllah Khairun. Interesting interpretations.

Could you provide me with more evidence as is mentioned in the article:



As for the practice of Muslims gathering together for group dhikr or the “invocation of Allah,” there is much evidence of its praiseworthiness in the sunna—aside from the many Koranic verses and the hadiths establishing the general merit of dhikr in every state—such as the hadith related by Bukhari:

I am assuming since this something that is praiseworthy, we would have much of the sahabah doing this frequently, to be more clearer is there evidence about the sahabah doing this hadra, as it is being made as if it was done at their time with the evidences mentioned in the article.

[abu_zayd99]

JazaakAllah Khairun. Interesting interpretations.

Could you provide me with more evidence as is mentioned in the article:



I am assuming since this something that is praiseworthy, we would have much of the sahabah doing this frequently, to be more clearer is there evidence about the sahabah doing this hadra, as it is being made as if it was done at their time with the evidences mentioned in the article.


Just to add... I am assuming even if there was no evidence regardless, the article mentions about bida' hasana, and this would fall under that. Correct?

[lumumba_s]

:salam:

1)what are they saying?

The singers are singing spiritual odes while everyone else is making dhikr of the name of Allah from their chest.

2)Why the bowing or rocking back in forth(are they jumping as well)?

It aids the presence in the dhikr.

3)Where do they get these movements from?

From the fact that the fuqaha have said that movement in dhikr is permissible. (Please see the article that al-Hanbali directed you to.)

4)Who is the older gentleman in the wheel chair?(InshAllah they are not bwoing to them???)

That is Shaykh `Abd al-Rahman, and as already been said, he is just in the middle of the circle, directing of sorts.

5)What are they gaining from this?

"Verily in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest."

[lumumba_s]

:salam:
am assuming since this something that is praiseworthy, we would have much of the sahabah doing this frequently, to be more clearer is there evidence about the sahabah doing this hadra, as it is being made as if it was done at their time with the evidences mentioned in the article.The different aspects of the hadra were explicitly done during the time of the Prophet, before him. The hadra is only composed of qasa'id, dhikr and movement, so how can it be condemned in and of itself? And yes, it returns to the reality of bid'a hasanat that the majority of the fuqaha confirm.

In essence, this is no different from the dance that the Habashis did in the Prophet's :saw: masjid . . .

[lumumba_s]

Just to add... I am assuming even if there was no evidence regardless, the article mentions about bida' hasana, and this would fall under that. Correct?Bid'a hasanat is something that has a precedent in the shari'ah. If it doesn't have a precedent, then it is anything but hasan.

[Goldi]

The brothers singing are beyond belief. wow.

[aMuslimForLife]

JazaakAllah Khairun. Interesting interpretations.

Could you provide me with more evidence as is mentioned in the article:



I am assuming since this something that is praiseworthy, we would have much of the sahabah doing this frequently, to be more clearer is there evidence about the sahabah doing this hadra, as it is being made as if it was done at their time with the evidences mentioned in the article.

Bismillah,

To me the article was pretty clear. What in the article didn't you understand??

Maa salaama,

aMuslimForLife

[aMuslimForLife]

Bismillah,

Did you know Shaykh Ahmad Shami the late Mufti of the Hanbalis of Doma,Syria was a murid of Shaykh Abdul Rahman Ash Shaghouri and was given ijaza to a Shaykh in the Shadili tariqa? The fact that the Mufti of the Hanbali took the tariqa is a proof of its soundness to the Quran and Sunnah.

And Allah knows best.

[majhul]

Nasheed: Ya Tayba

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4310982663765712037

[salman]

Nasheed: Ya Tayba

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4310982663765712037

Amazing!

Barakallah feek for this

Wasalam

[khair]

JZK for sharing that video with us Salman

Might I ask who is the shiekh with the greyish beard and glasses (fairly thin) who is in the middle at the 15min-16min. mark of the video?

Shiekh Shoughiri looked so frail and pale but definitely a legit wali/saint. His mannerism and just presense showed that. Inshallah, the fruits of his labor will be seen after his death, as is the case of the Awaliyah/Friends of Allah.

[Sunni_Student786]

Bismillah,

Did you know Shaykh Ahmad Shami the late Mufti of the Hanbalis of Doma,Syria .

When did he pass away?

May Allah give him Jannatul Firdaus.

[lumumba_s]

:salam:
JZK for sharing that video with us Salman

Might I ask who is the shiekh with the greyish beard and glasses (fairly thin) who is in the middle at the 15min-16min. mark of the video?

Shiekh Shoughiri looked so frail and pale but definitely a legit wali/saint. His mannerism and just presense showed that. Inshallah, the fruits of his labor will be seen after his death, as is the case of the Awaliyah/Friends of Allah.This video was shot not long before he died, and the fruits of his labor were witnessed by those who knew him, and is seen in the men and qasa'id that he left behind . . . Allah be well pleased with all of the `awliya of our age.

Salman, Jazakum Allah khayr for the links and I hope that whoever is posting these keeps them coming.

[OneLife]

:salam:


Come on brother, what sense would that make? I do hope you checked out the link and though you may be uneasy since its something "new" to you, you do understand the validity of the act.

:ws:

[mishor]

Hadrah with Sheikh Abd al-Rahman al-Shaghouri 1996

Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8642730987537351945&q=shaghouri

Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9127210222396690399&q=shaghouri

[maaz]

whats wrong with feeling uneasy about it? i think there is nothing wrong with that. and our dear sunnipath folk go:

The upshot is that if one wishes to do this [m: (i.e., attend a hadra)] while observing the above-mentioned rules, it is not permissible to repudiate him because, at worst, this matter is differed upon. It is not permissible to repudiate one who does [m: an act that is differed upon], as Imam Al-Ghazali (Ihya), An-Nawawi (Sharh Sahih Muslim), Al-'Izz Ibn Abdussalam (Shajarah Al-Ahwal Wa Al-Ma'arif), other others point out [m: in the parenthesized texts].

so? the matter is differed upon. the two groups should not insult or rebuke the other. enforcing one's opinion upon another is not the spirit of the shariah. if one feels uneasy, thats fine, there is room within the madhabs for feeling ease and unease on this issue.