Differences between 4 fard rakats and 4 non-fard rakats

[Flora]

:salam:

What are the differences in performing 4 fard rakats and 4 sunna or nafil rakats?

I know that you only read two surahs in the fard rakats, but what are the other differences?

[majhul]

:salam:

What are the differences in performing 4 fard rakats and 4 sunna or nafil rakats?

I know that you only read two surahs in the fard rakats, but what are the other differences?

I cannot recall any such difference between fard, sunnah and nafl that would have an effect on the health of your salat, other than what you have mentioned.

However, there are a couple of differences in sunnah non-mu'akkada (there are two non-mu'akkada sunnahs: 4 rak'ahs before `asr and 4 rak'ahs before `isha):

1) In the second rak'ah, after tashahhud, one also recites Durud al Ibrahimi (the same durud recited in the 4th rak'ah of all salats).

2) After standing up from the 2nd rak'ah, one recites the thana (subhanak-allahumma wa bihamdika wa tabarak asmuka...) before beginning recitation of the Fatiha.

[Sunni_Student786]

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However, there are a couple of differences in sunnah non-mu'akkada (there are two non-mu'akkada sunnahs: 4 rak'ahs before `asr and 4 rak'ahs before `isha):

1) In the second rak'ah, after tashahhud, one also recites Durud al Ibrahimi (the same durud recited in the 4th rak'ah of all salats).

2) After standing up from the 2nd rak'ah, one recites the thana (subhanak-allahumma wa bihamdika wa tabarak asmuka...) before beginning recitation of the Fatiha.

Are you sure about the above?

[Kareem]

wa alaykum salaam i believe in hanafi fiqh, you recite a second portion of the Qur'an after the fatihah in all rakat. i used to practise hanafi fiqh and this is what i learned.

[Flora]

However, there are a couple of differences in sunnah non-mu'akkada (there are two non-mu'akkada sunnahs: 4 rak'ahs before `asr and 4 rak'ahs before `isha):

1) In the second rak'ah, after tashahhud, one also recites Durud al Ibrahimi (the same durud recited in the 4th rak'ah of all salats).

2) After standing up from the 2nd rak'ah, one recites the thana (subhanak-allahumma wa bihamdika wa tabarak asmuka...) before beginning recitation of the Fatiha.

:jazak:

I thought it was something like that, but nobody had taught that to me.

[Flora]

I found the following:

1. Due to the emphatic nature of confirmed sunna (sunna mu’akkada) prayers, a four rakat confirmed sunna prayer is prayed just like a four rakat obligatory prayer the only difference being that:

· one is must recite a sura or at least the equivalent of 3 short verses after the Fatiha in every rakat.

2. When offering four rakats of a non-confirmed sunna prayer, each two rakats is effectively a separate prayer. This means that:

· it is sunna to send blessings on the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in the first sitting and

· to read the opening invocation ( thana or istiftah) and seek refuge from the devil ( ta`awwudh) in the beginning of the third rakat, as though one is starting a new prayer.

From SunniPath (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2126&CATE=99)


wa alaykum salaam i believe in hanafi fiqh, you recite a second portion of the Qur'an after the fatihah in all rakat. i used to practise hanafi fiqh and this is what i learned.
If you don't mind me asking, why did you change your madhab? And what you said is true, except for the third and fourth rakats of fard prayer.

[Kareem]

I found the following:

1. Due to the emphatic nature of confirmed sunna (sunna mu’akkada) prayers, a four rakat confirmed sunna prayer is prayed just like a four rakat obligatory prayer the only difference being that:

· one is must recite a sura or at least the equivalent of 3 short verses after the Fatiha in every rakat.

2. When offering four rakats of a non-confirmed sunna prayer, each two rakats is effectively a separate prayer. This means that:

· it is sunna to send blessings on the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in the first sitting and

· to read the opening invocation ( thana or istiftah) and seek refuge from the devil ( ta`awwudh) in the beginning of the third rakat, as though one is starting a new prayer.

From SunniPath (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2126&CATE=99)

So does one read bismillah again as well?


If you don't mind me asking, why did you change your madhab? And what you said is true, except for the third and fourth rakats of fard prayer.
oh yea, i was talking about the sunnah mu'akkada, should have said that.

why did i change my madhhab. hmm i coulcnt give you a real answer. i basicly just rolled into the hanafi madhhab, and then rolled into the maliki madhhab.

[Sunni_Student786]

I found the following:

1. Due to the emphatic nature of confirmed sunna (sunna mu’akkada) prayers, a four rakat confirmed sunna prayer is prayed just like a four rakat obligatory prayer the only difference being that:

· one is must recite a sura or at least the equivalent of 3 short verses after the Fatiha in every rakat.

2. When offering four rakats of a non-confirmed sunna prayer, each two rakats is effectively a separate prayer. This means that:

· it is sunna to send blessings on the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in the first sitting and

· to read the opening invocation ( thana or istiftah) and seek refuge from the devil ( ta`awwudh) in the beginning of the third rakat, as though one is starting a new prayer.

From SunniPath (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2126&CATE=99)

So does one read bismillah again as well?


If you don't mind me asking, why did you change your madhab? And what you said is true, except for the third and fourth rakats of fard prayer.

Jazakallahu Khair.

[Flora]

However, there are a couple of differences in sunnah non-mu'akkada (there are two non-mu'akkada sunnahs: 4 rak'ahs before `asr and 4 rak'ahs before `isha):
1) In the second rak'ah, after tashahhud, one also recites Durud al Ibrahimi (the same durud recited in the 4th rak'ah of all salats).
2) After standing up from the 2nd rak'ah, one recites the thana (subhanak-allahumma wa bihamdika wa tabarak asmuka...) before beginning recitation of the Fatiha.

Does this apply when reading 4 rakat nafil as well?
When you read the thana and ta`awwudh, do you read bismillah again as well?

[majhul]

Does this apply when reading 4 rakat nafil as well?
When you read the thana and ta`awwudh, do you read bismillah again as well?
I can't say. However, it is best to recite 2-rakah nafl rather than 4.

[Flora]

When offering four rakats of a non-confirmed sunna prayer, each two rakats is effectively a separate prayer.
If you make a mistake (that requires sajda sahw) in one of the first two rakats, would you do sajda sahw like you usually would in the forth rakat?


· it is sunna to send blessings on the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in the first sitting and

· to read the opening invocation ( thana or istiftah) and seek refuge from the devil ( ta`awwudh) in the beginning of the third rakat, as though one is starting a new prayer. [/I]
The above is sunnah and not wajib, right? So that would mean that if you miss this, sajda sahw would not be required?

[majhul]

If you make a mistake (that requires sajda sahw) in one of the first two rakats, would you do sajda sahw like you usually would in the forth rakat?

Yes, in the 4th rakah.



The above is sunnah and not wajib, right? So that would mean that if you miss this, sajda sahw would not be required?

Sajda sahw would not be required if one misses it.