What is it about a man's beard and a woman's hair

[aisha_nadia83]

Salaams, I was wanting to know why men should not cut the hair on their face and then why should I not cut my own hair. Some body was telling me that angles play there. Is this true and if so where can I read about it? :p

Thanks so much aisha_nadia

[Shoeb]

Regarding women's hair:

http://www.daruliftaa.com/question.asp?txt_QuestionID=q-05335084
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=99&CATE=90

Regarding the beard:

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=2238&CATE=414

[Silver Sparrow]

:salam:

why should I not cut my own hair.the prohobition on women cutting their hair is not a consensus. Maliki women can cut their hair, even have it layered if they want. I think the prohibition is mostly made by indo-pak hanafi ulama. There's more about this in the sisters forum, aisha, if youre interested.

[aisha_nadia83]

: There's more about this in the sisters forum, aisha, if youre interested.


Salaams, thanks so much for the help. But how can I see what is in the sisters forum? It will not let me get in there :(

[Shoeb]

Registered sisters can apply for access by clicking on "Group Memberships" in their User CP. (on top, right of "links")

It says to "Join Group (you must have at least 50 posts before applying)"

[aisha_nadia83]

Thanks for that info :)

[Dawood82]

Asalamu Alaykum sister,
It is not true that angels play there. This is superstition and a belief of shirk. The reason why men should keep a beard and the women should not cut their hair above their shoulders is to distinguish themselves from each other. If you see many Americans, the men look like women and the women look like men, because either the women cut their hair too short or the men have no beards. It feels uncomfortable to stare at their faces, because it may feel as the man is woman and that the woman is man.
Asalamu Alaykum
I will be glad to answer any other questions.
What is the **** are you talking about "a belilef of shirk"?! How is that shirk??

There is an authentic hadith of Rasulullah :saw: mentioning the angels playing with one man's beard!

Hey Mufti saheb, quit causing fitnah because the people on this thread believe in the authenticity of the words of the Nabi :saw: as reported by the Sahabah :anhum:, unlike you:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15851

[Muslimsister]

Asalamu Alaykum,

I also believe in the words of Rasulallah, but unfortunately many do not understand the history of the Hadith.

It is possible that the angels play on your beard, but it cannot be confirmed. Let me explain to you the procession of the Hadith. It consists of Muhammad's traditions, such as his sayings and doing that had been passed down from generation to generation (so and so heard from so and so who heard from so and so) and had been written down after 2o years.

If words are being passed from generation to generation then they are likely to change, so this is why we cannot completely rely on the Hadith. And remember that the Hadith was not written by Allah, it was written by people, and some of the people could have perceived the wrong information.

Actions, such as praying, obviously are described correctly in the Hadith, because if an action is passed down from generation to generation it is most-likely correct. The Hadith should be used to understand the obscure passages written in the Qur'an only, and should not be an alternative in Islam to rely on heavily. An example is prayer: the Qur'an mentions that one should pray five times a day, but does not specifiy how. The Hadith should be used to figure out how to pray.

Asalamu Alaykum


Have you actually studied the subject under a sunni shaykh (name, please)? If not, please refrain from teaching your version of Islam on this forum.

[Muslimsister]

Asalamu Alaykum,
I am a Muslim who believe that their should be no distinction among our community. Muslims should not say that they are Sunni Muslims and Shia' Muslims. They should just say that they are simply Muslim. This is the only way we will find unity. We all believe in the Oneness of God, in Muhammad, the Last Day, and the Hereafter. So why should we differentiate ourselves from each other.
You are absolutely correct...basically. But the thing is, unfortunately we are already divided. There is no escape anymore. What is left is to distinguish what is the original Islam of the early generations. The best and safest way is to stick to the majority, the ahlus sunnah wal jama'at, who have perfected the fields of learning in Deen. The ijaza and isnad system has made it possible for Islam to stay close to as it was in the beginning.

The Qur'an tells us to follow 'ahl adh-dhikr' (ulama) if we do not know. Even in wordly sciences, when we think we know, we offen really don't know... So, let us stick to following the authentic scholarship of the majority throughout the history of Islam. We should rather strive to join the small sects (shi'a, qur'an only, etc...) to the majority, to make unity. Even a simple mind can understand that no newly founded sect can suddenly unite the whole ummah upon new stuff...then why cause division?

Now, let's get back to the original topic, :insh:.

[Silver Sparrow]

telling woman not to cut their hair above their shoulders.as far as I'm aware, there is nothing in the hadith expressly forbidding women from cutting their hair.


Some people believe that everything in the Hadith is correct, but they are wrong (not everything is correct). These people are not knowledged in Islam.it would seem that YOU are the one not 'knowledged in islam'. yes some hadiths isnads are doubtful and this is recognised, but those which are recognised as our ulama as sahih are to be trusted.

Here is another example: the Hadith has variations about taking, displaying, or drawing pictures, but this is not allowed only for people who worship them, but no Muslim does that, only the Pagans did that. So that's why that part of the Hadith was appealing to Pagans only.was it? Many ulama consider all forms of picture making haram: so would you consider yourself more knowledgable than these ulama? Please refrain from DIY ijtihad brother, deeni knowledge does not work like that
:salam:

[Muslimsister]

Asalamu Alaykum,
It is unfortunate that many people do not understand Islam correctly. It is in my intension to inform the Muslim community. People do not interpret the Qur'an through common-sense. The modern Muslims are commiting schism, similar to the Jewish and Christians. The reason why there is division among us is because not every Muslim has the same insight on Islam, but imagine that if common-sense was poured into everyone's mind, how much unity we would be able to establish.



No...the 'common sense' (which differs with every individual btw) is what has caused the divisions. If all were to follow sound scholarship, we'd be united...no common nonsense, but true knowledge verified by hundreds of generations.

[Pr1nce]

Coming back on topic - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said some excellent things in a lecture I listened to. He was saying that the ornament of a woman is her hair and that it is the modern women who have resorted to cutting their hair short. He says that the human being naturally inclines to beauty and that it is part of the fitra.

He also states that one aspect of modern society is that it is "incredibly ugly as compared to classical society." Furthermore, he goes on to say that women cutting their hair "gives them a masculine look...and this is a loss of fitra."

[nik61]

Asalamu Alaykum,
I am a Muslim who believe that their should be no distinction among our community. Muslims should not say that they are Sunni Muslims and Shia' Muslims. They should just say that they are simply Muslim. This is the only way we will find unity. We all believe in the Oneness of God, in Muhammad, the Last Day, and the Hereafter. So why should we differentiate ourselves from each other.

The Holy Prophet s.a.w himself have stated: The Jews were divided among themselves into seventy one or seventy two sects(firqah), and the Christians were divided among themselves into seventy one or seventy two sects. And My Ummah will be divided among itself into seventy three sects.'' Imam Abu Dawood, Imam at-Tirmidhi, Imam al-Hakim and Imam Ahmad among several others, reported this Hadith. Imam At-Tirmidhi said; ''Hadeethun Hassanun Sahih''

All the other sects apart from the Ahl as-Sunnah wal Jamaah claim that they on the right path. But from the above hadith, we know that only ONE will survive hellfire, i.e the ahl as-Sunnah wal Jamaah.

It's not a matter of dividing the ummah. The ummah is already divided. Having differences in matters of fiqh (as long as your sources are valid) is okay. But ikhtilaf in matters pertaining to aqidah is not permitted. You can be a Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, Shafi'i or even claim to follow Zahiri madhhab but in matters of faith, you must follow the path of ahl as-Sunnah.

That's my two cents worth... :D
May Allah SWT guide us all...Allahumma Amin...

[TraditionalIslam]

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[Silver Sparrow]

Asalamu Alaykum sister,

I ask you to give me an explanation as to why one cannot draw, take, or display pictures? In my explanation, one can draw, take, and display pictures only if they don't worship it or make something dirty out of it.

For an example, pictures can be taken for medical, scientific, or other knowledgable purposes. What if I had to sketch a picture of something important that I wasn't able to remember, perhaps a man that I knew was a criminal, so that I can show it to someone so they can catch him. What's your explanation for that huh? There's no way that that circumstance can be considered a sin.

Understand that Allah has given us the ability to draw and take pictures, but we should only use this ability if we do it for good, (there are many abilities that Allah has given us, but we have to learn to use them for good). Such as television, some people say that you cannot watch it, but what if I wanted to watch the news or something educational. There's no sin in that. Some people say that one cannot listen to music, but they are wrong (it all depends on whose listening to the music). If the music/song is non-islamic, one should not listen to it, but if it is Islamic then they should listen to it, as long as they won't make dirty thoughts out of the person whose singing it. Such as Sami Yusuf, I've listened to his nasheeds many times, and his words encourage me to pray and to do good in Islam.

My point is that many Muslims do "monkey see, monkey do," but it should be, "monkey see, monkey thinks." Don't do something just because everyone else is doing it or because they tell you to do it. First try to findout where the information came from and if it doesn't contradict any part of Islam, then it should most-likely be followed.

Many Muslims committ shirk, one such as spitting on your left hand after you have a bad dream. Do you have faith in the spit or in Allah? Some Muslims rely on the moon in hope that their child is born normal. That is another shirk belief. Do you worship the moon or do you worship Allah? Obviously Allah, then have Faith in Him only.

Asalamu Alaykum,
May Allah give you a broader sense in Knowledge
all the points mentioned in your post have been discussed elsewhere on this forum. Please do a search on them brother, and read the responses with an open mind. As muslims we do not make our own rulings, but follow the teachings of those who are learned in their field, i.e. the ulama. In the same way that you would not learn brain surgery by yourself, but would take that knowledge from a qualified surgeon, get the qualifications etc, before performing any surgery.

As to hair, here are the hanafi and shafii positions:

A very venerable shaykh told us that it was makruh tahrimi for a woman to cut her hair unless absolutely necessary. What if one's husband wants her to cut it? Is that considered to be one of those "absolutely necessary" cases?

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

According to leading Hanafi scholars of Syria, including Shaykh Adib Kallas, there is no harm in a woman cutting her hair, as long as:

a) it remains feminine (and thus does not resemble men);

b) it is not cut with the express intent of imitating non-Muslim fashions; and

c) it is not cut ‘excessively’.

The texts in the Hanafi school indicating impermissibility of women cutting their hair are understood—these scholars say—to be conditioned by the above considerations.

In the Shafii school, it is permitted to even cut the hair very short if the husband prefers it that way.

Please go to www.SunniPath.com, and search for women cutting hair

And Allah alone gives success.

Wassalam,

Faraz Rabbani As i mentioned earlier, theres not really a consensus on this issue. Majority of indo-pak scholars say you cant, many others say you can.

Maliki Opinion:

It is disliked to shave part of the scalp (the hemisphere above the ears) and leave part of it unshaven (like was the practice of many Native American peoples, such as the Mohawks). As for cutting the hair on the scalp in uneven layers, it is permissible.

As for adult females, it is permissible for them to cut their hair short, but it is unlawful for them to shave their scalp (unless there is a medical need or other need for it).

[Rashida]

I recently asked a cosmetician about peroxide used in hair dyes.. and she said something interesting and I'm hoping someone here can verify this for me. She said that henna coats the hair making it much more impenetrable than peroxide. In fact, peroxide leaves the hair porous and allows the water to get to the hair.
I asked then, if peroxide allows penetration of water then why do dyers often have very dry hair.. and she said because the peroxide removes natural oils in the hair...
i thought the opposite was true.. that henna allows penetration but peroxide doesn't. Anyone know?

[Silver Sparrow]

I also heard that henna coats the hair
Henna is a natural plant coloring for the hair; made from the powdered leaves of a desert shrub plant, Lawsonia.

Henna contains hannatannic acid which, when mixed with hot water, will coat the hair. It seals in oils and tightens the hair cuticle giving your hair a rich, healthy shine. Henna has no lightening action, so the shade that you choose will depend on your hair color (natural or tinted).

[hiker]

I also heard that henna coats the hair
:salam: using henna is sunnah, but isn't it dislike to dye your hair in its natural colour, using henna - so if you have black hair, you can't dye your hair in black henna - is that correct???? :confused: :ws:

[Silver Sparrow]

yeah i know but the muftis say you cant use any dye that coats your hair as when you do ghusl the hair will be effectively impervious to water, so ghusl wouldnt be valid. im wondering how that ties in with

Henna contains hannatannic acid which, when mixed with hot water, will coat the hair.

[Kareem]

well, Rasul ALlah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam also used to put oil in his hair aswell, the effect taht has on water we all know. and they didnt have shampoo to take it out.

[Rashida]

well, Rasul ALlah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam also used to put oil in his hair aswell, the effect taht has on water we all know. and they didnt have shampoo to take it out.

Hmm.. so mm what are the implications of this? Henna is impermeable to water and oil repels water, but they're both undoubtedly sunnah.. ill stop right here hoping a more knowledgeable 'abid/ah can smooth out the seeming creases... in the meantime, can anyone please tell me why peroxide n stuff is haram? or is it haram?

[Dawood82]

Henna is impermeable to water? I don't think so.

[Rashida]

assalaamu 'alaikum,
my bad.. i was running w/ words when i said that.. perhaps i need some help w/ the analysis of the word COATS in "henna coats hair".. but anyway, here's the crux of the issue:
-when one performs ghusl, water should not only touch all parts of the scalp and skin, but also each strand of hair on the body, right?
-if a) is correct, and the Prophet SAW used both henna and oil, then a) was also fulfilled, plus making henna and oil encouraged cos of the sunnah
-Now, if oil and henna have properties that discourage water to thourougly wash hair, and let's say peroxide shares a similar property, perhaps even more insignificantly than henna, then why is peroxide not allowed?
-finally, what's the big deal about dying one's hair..esp for a woman, if she's only gonna show it to her husband.. i mean as long as its not black or dying back her own colour.. reason im asking all this is so many times i hear the ladies discussing.. this brand is allowed, this isnt.. or, dying isnt allowed, period. or one should dye from vegetable/fruit extracts.. and on, on.. n then stuff abt bleach etc.. only if i could ignore the reality of womens' overwhelming need to look artificially good... I'd just finally like to get to the bottom of it.. and then one day just scream out to all the women the truth so they can stop w/ their wishy-washy attempts to make women things randomly halal/haram heh

[lost beleaver]

to the hair Question in the first post,

i heard that the sisters should grow there hair because on judgment day we will all be naked, & the sisters can use there long hair to cover themselves

but i can not confirm this with references to any quotes :(

a Muslim Brother told me this, & it could be false as i haven't checked it, & i don't want any punishment for miss guiding any of Allah's creation :cry:



Abdul Rahem

[Silver Sparrow]

my mother says the same thing, but here's the thing: on the day of qiyamah bro, do you really think you are gonna be interested in ogling the women? wouldnt the thought that any moment you might end up in jahannam gonna be a more pressing concern?

second point: if women could cover their bodies with their hair, why would hadrat Aisha (RA) have been so worried at the prospect of being naked? if women could cover their modesty with their hair, then why would men be unfairly penalised by not having anything to cover themselves with?

that doesnt mean to say i think that what you said is wrong. its just a few thoughts on the matter and perhaps its the hanafi opinion on women cutting their hair, as i mentioned above, maliki and shafii schools have no prohibition on cutting hair (unless I suppose the husband objects).

i think the hair dye posts should be split to a different thread as well

[leo28]

Is there any limit defined in hanafi school of thought regarding permissibility of hair cutting of adult women up to certain length. Since we keep confronting such issues in the society. I want to ask a simple question. what about a newly wed lady asking permission from her husband to have hair cut. What should be the general course of action adopted by husband. If he allows her, just to avoid having some tense environment right in the beginning of the marriage, is this a major deviation from islamic teachings? Do we have some specific instructions from hazrat aisha(ra)?

[Silver Sparrow]

i shouldnt think so, as ive said before, there is a difference of opinion amongst scholars, even amongst hanafi scholars, not all of them agree that its haram for a woman to cut her hair.

i dont think anything concrete has been said by any of the sahabah or the prophet (SAW) himself regarding this. its something the ulama have had to work out by themselves.

[leo28]

So can we safely claim that benefit of doubt can be availed by anyone, confroned with the issue?