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Ansari
28-06-2004, 11:27 AM
salaam alaikom

Some salafi scholars have called him a kafir. What do sunni scholars say about him? I only heard that they have some serious differences in fiqh but they respect him as a scholar.....

Abu Usama
28-06-2004, 12:08 PM
Salam,

as for the salafi brothers, well they call a lot of Muslims kafirs. As for shaykh qardawi, the sunni stance (according to sunnipath) is that there are differences in methodology, but that doesnt take him out of the fold of Islam.

Ansari
28-06-2004, 12:38 PM
isnt there any detailed fatwa regarding the so called apostasy of yusuf qaradawi.

this is the fatwa: http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/Qaradawi_et_al.htm

Are these statements out of context....we dont know.....But what would the sunni's say about his statements...

Murabit
28-06-2004, 01:37 PM
assalamualikum,
alqardawi made clear transgression in the issue of al wala wal baraa which is one of the pillars of tawheed. al qardawi declared his walaa to the Crusader troops when they planned to attack afghanistan, such that during that time he issued a fatwaa saying it is permissible for a muslim to join the american forces to kill and displace the muslims in afghanistan. This stance is a clear mudhaharaa with the harbi kuffar which is apostasy.

AbuZayd
28-06-2004, 06:10 PM
assalamualikum,
alqardawi made clear transgression in the issue of al wala wal baraa which is one of the pillars of tawheed. al qardawi declared his walaa to the Crusader troops when they planned to attack afghanistan, such that during that time he issued a fatwaa saying it is permissible for a muslim to join the american forces to kill and displace the muslims in afghanistan. This stance is a clear mudhaharaa with the harbi kuffar which is apostasy.


Have you got any references for this? Somehow, I think you have misunderstood the Shaykh.

Saleel
28-06-2004, 08:58 PM
:salam:

I remember reading a reference to him in a reply to a question about halaal meat on Sunnipath; I've just found it again. Sidi Faraz Rabbani says:



Traditional scholars caution against Sh. Qaradawi's fiqh methodology, and especially his excessive leniency to the point of laxity. He does not limit himself to the relied upon positions of the four Sunni schools of fiqh, and is notorious among scholars for his many aberrant positions. They respect him as a scholar; they are cautious and caution others about those positions of his that depart from the mainstream.

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000444.aspx
:salam:

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
29-06-2004, 07:05 PM
as salamu alaykum

i agree with sidi faraz on this one, and totally disagree with the salafi view that he is a kafir. This is not the way of the sunni's - to make takfir on 'ulama who are not infallible.

shaykh yusuf qaradawi is extremely knowledgable. i agree that his views are not always acceptable to us, and often contradict the mu'tamid or even mashhur opinions.

shaykh hamza yusuf has often praised him very much as well, and i recall that he invited him to one Zaytuna conference, but he was unable to attend.

in any case, we all know the danger of making takfir when someone is not a kafir - why risk it brothers? leave it to the ulama!

'Abd al-Wakil

JayshAllah
29-06-2004, 08:07 PM
as salamu alaykum

i agree with sidi faraz on this one, and totally disagree with the salafi view that he is a kafir. This is not the way of the sunni's - to make takfir on 'ulama who are not infallible.




Once again, the utter myopia that so exudes from this forum. The under-current of Salafi-bashing.....

There are SOME salafis who say that Shaikh Yusuf Qaradawi is a kafir,,, but I have also known MANY muqallid scholars who also call him a kaffir. In fact, the entire tableegh jamaat at my university used to scoff at the name of Shaikh Qaradawi.

"This is not the way of the sunni's--to make takfir..."

Do you realize how UTTERLY ironic your comment is??? On the one hand, you say that Sunnis dont make takfir, but by your very statement you mean to make takfir of Salafis (logically speaking). Right? Isnt that what you mean? That Salafis aren't part of Ahlus Sunnah Wah Jamaat...

Oh, the irony....the sheer irony....


I am Salafi and I don't think Shaikh Qaradawi is a kafir, and I know many other salafis who don't either.

Masalaama, your salafi brother

Abu Usama
29-06-2004, 08:36 PM
Bu saying that someone is not from ahlus sunnah, it means that they are from the people of innovation (ahlul bidah). Takfeer is when you say those are not Muslim at all.

JayshAllah
29-06-2004, 08:40 PM
Bu saying that someone is not from ahlus sunnah, it means that they are from the people of innovation (ahlul bidah). Takfeer is when you say those are not Muslim at all.


Ok , that makes it all better....(heavy sarcasm)

Abu Usama
29-06-2004, 08:50 PM
Salam,

have a look at the following sites:

1 - www.masud.co.uk
2 - www.sunnipath.com
3 - www.hanafi.co.uk

Wasalam

JayshAllah
29-06-2004, 08:58 PM
Salam,

have a look at the following sites:

1 - www.masud.co.uk
2 - www.sunnipath.com
3 - www.hanafi.co.uk

Wasalam

Wsalam,

have a look at the following sites:

[MOD EDIT: Unacceptable links]

Mossy
29-06-2004, 09:05 PM
Come on Jaysh - have you read the vitriol and bile on spub's?

And if you think all the positions on islamqa my nephew (bless his heart) is a monkey.

As for manhaj.com.. Let's not go there.

JayshAllah
29-06-2004, 09:08 PM
Come on Jaysh - have you read the vitriol and bile on spub's?

And if you think all the positions on islamqa my nephew (bless his heart) is a monkey.

As for manhaj.com.. Let's not go there.

My good friend Mossy...you have missed the point entirely.

I was trying to make a point...and that point was let's stop bashing each other over the head...it seems as if this forum was created with the sole intention of facilitating hatred against the salafi minhaj...

Live for Islam
29-06-2004, 09:12 PM
Assalamu Alaikum,


it seems as if this forum was created with the sole intention of facilitating hatred against the salafi minhaj...

Nope it wasn't. And Insha-Allah, please refrain from wrongfully suggesting that it was. Jazakallahu khair.
In any event, if you do have a problem with any post/s in particular, just click report next to the post, and Insha-Allah we'll look into your concerns.

Jazakallah.

Wassalam.

Abu Usama
29-06-2004, 09:15 PM
Brother Jaysh, what do you say about the following websites/forum:

www.*****************

and

www.*********

- Now there are most assuredly two sites (especially the second one) created solely for bashing sunnis! And if you try to clarify the correct positions, they ban you!

Goldi
29-06-2004, 09:18 PM
Brother Jaysh, what do you say about the following websites/forum:

www.*****************

and

www.*********

- Now there are most assuredly two sites (especially the second one) created solely for bashing sunnis! And if you try to clarify the correct positions, they ban you!


There's no need for this pettiness.

Jaysh was trying to make the point that making threads dismissing other muslims as ahl-ul bidah is as pointless as Brad Pitt needing pick-up lines.

Let's all grow up insha'allah.

Garden
29-06-2004, 09:42 PM
There's no need for this pettiness.

Jaysh was trying to make the point that making threads dismissing other muslims as ahl-ul bidah is as pointless as Brad Pitt needing pick-up lines.

Let's all grow up insha'allah.

i have a suggestion.

can you make a seperate forum for controversial issues like beard length/wahhabis/hazir, nazir/if sh. fulan is from ahlus sunnah...etc? there have been too many such topics in the general forum recently.

some of these threads do generate healthy discussion, but many others have the potential to degenerate into the same old bickering.

Goldi
29-06-2004, 10:09 PM
i have a suggestion.

can you make a seperate forum for controversial issues like beard length/wahhabis/hazir, nazir/if sh. fulan is from ahlus sunnah...etc? there have been too many such topics in the general forum recently.

some of these threads do generate healthy discussion, but many others have the potential to degenerate into the same old bickering.

I'd 'discuss' this with the 'shura' but the unfortunate nature of things is that they take their little sisters more seriously.

I can still edit posts though!

Omar HH
30-06-2004, 06:53 AM
Have you got any references for this? Somehow, I think you have misunderstood the Shaykh.

Yes, I think so too.

Why does it semes like everybody say that he encouraged Muslims to goto Afghanistan and kill other Muslims. From my knowledge, he never said that and Allah (SWT) knows best.

From my understanding, Qaradawi just that if one was drafted, and by not going you faced serious treason charges, you were allowed to goto the army BUT not do any actual combat against Muslim brothers. You could help out on computers and things.

Here is the alleged "Muslims should join the army" fatwa, insha'Allah I hope this stops any contraversy over this:

“I would like here to stress the fact that Islam has prohibited a Muslim to fight his fellow Muslim brother to the extent that indulging in such a fight is considered a form of disbelief or kufr and a behavior pertaining to the pre-Islamic ignorance. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “Cursing the Muslim is lewdness and killing him is disbelief.”

He is also reported to have said: “Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other).” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

In another Hadith narrated by Al-Ahnaf, Ibn Qays (may Allah be pleased with him) quotes the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “If two Muslims meet with their swords (attacking each other) then (both) the killer and the killed one are in the (Hell) Fire.' I (Al-Ahnaf Ibn Qays) said, 'O Allah's Messenger! It is all right for the killer, but what about the killed one?' He said, 'The killed one was eager to kill his opponent.’” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

Even, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has forbidden a Muslim to direct a weapon against his brother; he should not even try to joke with that.

Here, the question arises: what about a Muslim recruited in the army of a non-Muslim country that is at war with Muslims? Such helpless Muslim soldier has no choice but to yield to the orders of his army commanders and he has no right to say ‘No’ or ‘Why’? This is a well-known military system worldwide.

Such Muslim finds himself on the horns of a dilemma when his country and the army he joins tend to attack a Muslim country. What shall he do while he is no more than a small gear in a huge machine?

The opinion, which is more akin to the sound juristic view here, is that a Muslim shouldn’t indulge in a war against his fellow Muslim brothers, and he may justify his position by asking for a leave or (a temporary) exemption from the military as the true conscience of a Muslim dictates that he shouldn’t indulge in killing a fellow Muslim brother without a justifiable reason. However, if there is no way but to participate, then a Muslim can join the rear to help in military service (i.e. not to participate in face-to-face confrontation).

The Muslim soldier may resort to this form of limited participation in order to avoid harm to himself as well as to the Muslim community of whom he is part and parcel. Without this (limited participation) the Muslim as well as the Muslim community may be accused of high treason. Such an accusation may pose a threat to the Muslim minority and this may also disrupt the course of da`wah that has been in full swing since tens of years ago, and has started to reap fruits.

Muslims, being part and parcel of the (American) society, should intermingle with the existing civilization but they are not allowed to dissolve culturally and forget about their religious identity. They shouldn’t behave in a way that makes fingers of accusations point at them to the extent that the society may consider them as fifth column.

Muslim individuals should not set their conscience at ease and refuse to participate in the war, if this will endanger the whole Muslim community. This is based on the juristic rule, which states that the lesser harm may be borne to prevent a greater harm, the private harm may be borne to prevent a general one and the right of the group takes precedence over that of the individual. Such juristic rulings are part of an important part of fiqh, which I call ‘Fiqh Al-Muwazanat’ or applying a juristic preference to strike a balance in order to weigh the pros and cons of a certain thing in view of an existing situation. Many Muslims lack this kind of fiqh nowadays. They should not consider the opinion of the general public who lack juristic preference to justify certain apparent situations allowing them to take precedence over the main objectives of the Shari`ah.

As we have stated above, if a Muslim is forced to participate in fighting, he should avoid direct confrontation as possible as he can. Even while participating in such a war, a Muslim should have an innate feeling of resentment, as it is the case of the true believer who has no means to rectify the abominable by his hands or his tongue, yet he expresses his disapproval by showing innate resentment, which is the least of faith.”

Omar HH
30-06-2004, 07:07 AM
isnt there any detailed fatwa regarding the so called apostasy of yusuf qaradawi.

this is the fatwa: http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/Qaradawi_et_al.htm

Are these statements out of context....we dont know.....But what would the sunni's say about his statements...

That was the first time I read that fatwa. Basically what he's saying is a Muslim in the U.S. Army can participate in the operation to apprehend the perpetrators of 9/11. This was because 9/11 was a terrrorist criminal act. But the Muslim must do it with the proper intention.

I totally disagree with Qaradawi on this, but we all make mistakes. That doesn't mean he's totally bad. Also one must remember the context of this fatwa. This fatwa was the 27th of September, 9/11 was fresh in everybody's mind. Qaradawi had came out against it, and made a fatwa that it was terrorism. Qaradawi supports martyrdom opperations, he instigated the boycott against America, etc. so it's not like he's "pro-America".

Anyways, may Allah (SWT) expose all of our mistakes.

And thank you Pako for that fatwa, I had never seen that before.

For a good biography of Qaradawi, written mostly by me but edited by a few others (probably non-Muslims) (please if anyone finds any mistakes, or backbiting, or anything haram correct it - I don't think there is any though):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi

Jazakallah wa Khayrun

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
30-06-2004, 10:29 AM
as salamu alaykum dear salafi brother

forgive me if you thought i offended you in anyway. that wasn't my intention.

i don't believe i was being 'ironic' at all.

what i said was, this business of takfir in not the way of the sunni ulama. understand dear brother what takfir is.

the fact that muqallids make takfir on the shaykh does not mean it is correct. in fact, i would say it is incorrect unless there is ijma on the matter. quite clearly, there are only a handful of scholars who say Shaykh al-Qaradawi is a murtad. in addition, there are a handful of scholars from the same line of thinking that say the same for Shaykh Nuh and Shaykh Hamza Yusuf.

regarding the matter of ahl al-sunna, when one excludes another from that, it is not takfir - understand the difference. there is a huge difference between saying that the views of such and such individual do not conform with islam, and saying that such a person is out of the fold of islam!! I recall only one scholar accusing ibn taymiyya of kufr... other than that, i don't beleive any traditional sunni ulama have ever done so.

on this last note, i challenge you to find any contemporary sunni ulama who made takfir on their 'salafi' counterparts. there is no doubt that the opposite is easy to find.. think about that dear brother...

Allah knows best..

'Abd al-Wakil