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Fatih Sultan Muhammed
14-01-2007, 10:09 PM
WHAT HAPPENED TO MUSLIM TURKEY?
What happened to Turkey today, a country which was, not so long but until 80 years ago, the khalifa and the leader of the Muslim world (Ummah), but now being one of the most oppressor against Islam. No one can understand how the regime in Turkey changed so much unless they throughly know what happened in the recent past, how and by whom the new regime called "Secular republic of Turkey" was established. Who can dare to desecrate Islam, can ban the Muslim dress code hijab which is a must for Muslim woman? Who are those who glorify an enemy of Allah - kafeer Mustafa Kemal who was a stern dictator, a Jew, a freemason and a British agent? Who is brainwashing the Muslims with made-up historical tales, with western ideas, and many other nonsense things that doesn't have their place in Islamic teachings? Who is forcing the Muslims of Turkey to give up their Islamic faith and adopt western style of living and thoughts?.. Who is forcing the Muslims of Turkey to believe that the Jewish dictator Mustafa Kemal was a hero; who makes them to adore him and follow everything that is done under his name? Who are punishing the Muslims of Turkey severely whoever dislikes and criticizes the Jewish dictator Mustafa Kemal and the so-called "secular regime"?.. The extreme oppression and brutality on Muslims in Turkey, since the establishment of the secular regime in 1923, is a Jewish style oppression because these are none but "Secret Jews"...
No one can really understand what (and why) is going on today in Turkey unless they know a secret Jewish sect called Doenmeh, who were the descendants of those jews that were expelled from Spain in the 16.th century and given shelter by the Ottoman Sultans. Some of those jews followed the 17.th century Jewish false messiah "Sabbatai Zwi" and became "Sabbatean jews", in other words "Doenmeh". One of the rituals these jews observed was: outwardly pretending Muslim (and then after 1923 only Turkish), but inwardly believing in Jewish faith and following Sabbatai Zwi as their messiah. Even though they still live with hypocrisy today, with the recent researches it's believed that there are about 1 to 1.5 million Doenmeh (Sabbatean jews) today living in Turkey. It's also known that many Doenmeh immigrated to Israel after its establishment in 1948. Also please note that, the so-called "Secular republic of Turkey" was one of the first states in the world who recognized the Zionist Israel. It's not hard to understand how this happened; the answer is simple.. The jews founded two states: Zionist Israel and Jewish Republic of Turkey. That is why the so-called secular republic has very close ties with the zionist Israel, and makes many trade, military, and political relations. That is, the taxes paid by Muslims of Turkey goes to Zionist Israel. These secret jews are still running Turkey like a reserve state of Israel today.
to be cont...
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
14-01-2007, 11:05 PM
WHO IS RUNNING TURKEY ?
The Doenmeh (the secret jews of Turkey) movement is an important phenomenon which occurred during the late times of the Ottoman Empire. Nevertheless, this important phenomenon of the Ottoman history is never taught in Turkish schools, and never allowed to be mentioned in media. Never ever... Not even a single word! One may wonder why this important part of Ottoman history is never mentioned in Turkish classrooms while Turkish children have to learn and memorize lots of unnecessary details about Ottoman history and, in particular, recent Turkish history, and even details about the pre-Turkish civilizations that existed in Anatolia.
Why is the Doenmeh (doenmeh derives from the turkish word 'dönme') movement unworthy to teach Turkish school children? Why is it simply ignored?
The answer is very obvious: The Doenmehs took over the Ottoman Empire on its late time, disintegrated it, and then established a new regime under the name "Republic Turkey". The leader of the new regime, dictator Mustafa Kemal, was an ardent Doenmeh (secret jew). In order to conceal his Doenmeh identity, he even adopted the last name of "Ataturk", which means "Father of the Turks". And Turkey is still ruled and governed by these secret jews today. As long as they are in power, Turkish school children will never get a chance to learn this important phenomenon, the Doenmeh movement, which played an important role during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and during the establishment of the so-called secular regime.
The Turks can learn their true history and the role the Doenmehs played in their history only from the books written by Westerners, especially from the books written by Jews. What a tragedy!
So who are Doenmehs? What did they do? What is the difference between a Doenmeh (secret jew) and a typical Jew? Who were the "Young Turks", most of whom consisted of those secret jews and freemasons?? If you want to learn about these topics, please read the book excerpts and various articles I am going to post insha-Allah...
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
14-01-2007, 11:10 PM
Very important book regarding the recent Turkish history! Please take your time and read the whole excerpt below carefully. Do NOT miss the very last paragraph!
Subject: Republic of Turkey was founded (and is still run) by Secret Jews (Doenmeh - Sabbatean Jews). The following book was written by a Jewish author.. It describes how the Doenmeh (secret Jews of Turkey) movement started in the late Ottoman times, how they took over the power in Turkey and established the new regime called "Turkish Republic"..
Source : "The Secret Jews", Joachim Prinz, Random House, 1973, Page: 111-122
Notice also: Leading Zionist Dr. Joachim Prinz portrays dictator Mustafa Kemal as an "ardent doenmeh", i.e. a faithful secret Jew!
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The most colorful and fantastic of these was one of the most controversial figures in all of Jewish history. He was Shabtai Zvi, born in Smyrna in 1626, a few years after the start of the Thirty Years' War. ....
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Shabtai Zvi, playing on these hopes, announced that the Messiah would indeed come soon. ....
Then Shabtai made the decisive move. He proclaimed to the world that the expected Messiah was none other than Shabtai Zvi himself. ....
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The reaction to this bold and unheard-of act was immediate, and it was not restricted to Smyrna. Without benefit of modern means of communication, Shabtai's declaration was broadcast, by word of mouth, around the world. The response was not entirely favorable; Shabtai's teacher, Joseph Escapa, pronounced the herem, excommunicating him from the Jewish community of Smyrna. Shabtai departed for Cairo, which, for a time, became the center of his Messianic movement.
It was in Cairo that the final organization took place, complete with finances and propaganda. Financial assistance came from Raphael Joseph Chelebi, a rich Jew, treasurer of the Turkish governor of Cairo. Without Chelebi, Shabtai's movement might have remained a local incident, but with his help and the growing enthusiastic acceptance of the Jewish masses, Shabtai was hailed as the Messiah. The green Messianic flag, the symbol of the movement, was soon seen throughout Europe and the Middle East.
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The Messianic uproar in the Jewish world was fantastic. Wherever Shabtai appeared, he was received with such exaltation that it must have served to strengthen his own belief in himself and his mission. The passion ran particularly high among the Marranos in Amsterdam. When Shabtai came to that famous community, the people removed the holy scrolls from the synagogue and danced in the streets to the music of Spanish Jewish tunes.
Then, in the midst of this jubilation, with the sound of the music and the visions of the dancers still fresh in his memory, Shabtai made his fatal mistake. He moved on to Constantinople. Upon his arrival he was arrested by the grand vizier, who was afraid that his presence in the city would spark revolutionary upheavals among his people. Instead of leading his people on to Jerusalem, the Messiah sat in a Turkish jail.
Some people expected the movement to collapse. The humiliation of their leader - which he had not prophesied - seemed proof that his powers were not supernatural. But although some of his followers were disillusioned, the core of the movement remained faithful to him. Shabtai, declaring that prison life was unbecoming and beneath his dignity, solicited contributions from his followers. Money poured in from all over the world and was used for effectively generous bribes which permitted him to lead the life of a king in his cell. After a time he was transferred from the prison to a suite of elegantly furnished rooms. His jail became a royal court in which he lived with Sarah, who had become the female symbol of his movement as the "Messianic Bride." He received ambassadors of the movement from many countries, among them an old and learned Cabalist from Poland, Nehemiah Cohen, who had come to see for himself what kind of man and Cabalist Shabtai was. Cohen spent three days and nights with the Messiah, and came to the conclusion that Shabtai was a dangerous charlatan. Realizing that this was not merely a threat to his own people but to the whole world, since he thought Shabtai was talented and reckless enough to start a revolution, Cohen transmitted his thoughts first to the grand vizier and then to the sultan. The judgment of both of them was that Shabtai deserved to be put to death.
All this happened in 1666, which was to have been the year of Messianic redemption. Shabtai was taken to Adrianople to face the sultan, but first he met the sultan's physician, a Jew who had converted to Islam. The physician advised him to do likewise; and when Shabtai appeared before the sultan he informed the mighty ruler of his sincere desire to embrace the religion of the Prophet Mohammed and to pray to Allah instead of to the Jehovah whose name he had so solemnly, so recklessly and so effectively proclaimed only fifteen years before. The delighted sultan gave him the name of Mehmed Effendi and the honorary title of the Sultan's Doorkeeper. All thoughts of execution were apparently forgotten. Sarah and the entire entourage, blind believers in their leader's wisdom and infallibility, followed his example and also became Mohammedans. Then they all moved to Dulcingno, a seaport of what was then Montenegro (now Yugoslavia), not far from the Albanian border. There they lived as Mohammedans, but whenever possible they attended services at the local synagogue. The ambitions of the king of the Jews were forgotten, and in the hills surrounding Dulcingno, Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna, died at the age of fifty.
Even in death his influence did not abate. Many of his followers in Mohammedan countries converted to Islam in the belief that their master had done so only to "liberate the impure sparks inherent in Islam from their spiritual prison." In Hungary and Moravia some Jews solemnly adopted the surname of Sheps or Shoeps as proof of an unshakable belief in Shabtai. Others began to create a new set of Jewish beliefs of which they thought the master would have approved.
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.... In December 1686, more than three hundred families converted to Islam in Salonika. Like Shabtai and other Marranos, they continued to attend Jewish services secretly and observed certain Jewish customs in their homes.
This was the origin of the most important group, numerically and historically, of Islamic Marranos. The faithful Mohemmedans call these hidden Jews 'doenmehs', the renegades. ..... Over the years the 'doenmeh' movement became firmly established in Asia Minor. In the nineteenth century the sect was estimated to have twenty thousand members. Salonika remained its main seat until that city became Greek in 1913. Although the Jewish community remained there under Greek rule, the 'doenmehs' moved to Constantinople.
In Salonika in the early days of the movement the ten commandments "of our Lord King and Messiah Shabtai Zvi" were proclaimed by the 'doenmehs'. They still form the credo of the surviving 'doenmehs' of our time.
- I believe in the one and only God.
- I believe in his Messiah, the true redeemer, our king Shabtai Zvi, descended from King David.
- I swear not to take the name of God or his Messiah in vain and not to take an oath in their name.
- I take upon myself to carry the message of the mysteries of our Messianic faith from one community to another.
- I shall assemble with my fellow believers on the sixteenth day of the month of Kislev to discuss with them the secrets of our Messianic faith. (This is the month during which Shabtai Zvi had announced his Messiahship.)
- I swear that I shall never convert anybody to the faith of the Turban, called Islam.
- Daily will I read in the Book of Psalms.
- I shall meticulously adhere to the customs of the Turks so as not to arose their suspicion. I shall not only observe the Fast of Ramadan but all the other Muslim customs which are observed in public.
- I shall not marry into a Muslim family nor maintain any intimate association with them, for they are to us an abomination and particularly their women.
- I shall circumcise my sons.
To this day, 'doenmehs' assemble for prayers in their own house of worship in Istanbul. Some of the devotions are still said in Hebrew and Aramaic, but most of them are recited in Ladino, the "Yiddish" of the Sephardic Jews. ....
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From time to time the Turkish governors of Salonika, who received complaints about the sect from the Mohammedan clergy, tried to investigate the strange existence of the 'doenmehs'. Their clannishness, their refusal to mingle with Mohammedan families, and their marital restrictions had become a well-known fact, difficult to hide from the majority of the people among whom they had lived for many generations. Socially, they seemed impenetrable, although in their Moslem religious practices they were beyond reproach. In fact, they often seemed even more devout followers of the Prophet Mohammed and more sincere worshipers of Allah than the rest of the community. They fasted during Ramadan, and their leaders and adherents were found in large, even conspicuous numbers among the pilgrims to Mecca. It was well known that in the seventeenth century Joseph Zvi, one of the immediate followers of Shabtai Zvi and one of his inner circle, died on the way from his pilgrimage to Mecca, and the day of his death is still commemorated.
Nevertheless, there were some indications to the outside community that all was not what it seemed and that the Islamic faith of the 'doenmehs' was a little too obviously and purposefully observed. In most cases, large contributions to the governor's private purse prevented a closer investigation. However, in 1859 Husni Pasha, then governor of Salonika, investigated thoroughly and found a 'doenmeh' school system where a special brand of Islam was taught. As a result, the schools were closed. Thereafter, greater caution and secrecy were imposed by the Sabbatists, and the sect remained intact.
Another investigation, the final inquiry, took place in 1875 under Governor Nehdad. The resulting memorandum submitted to the Turkish government praised the 'doenmehs' for their industry and high moral standards. By then the 'doenmehs' had become highly respected and were an important civic factor in the community. They were bright, industrious and successful in the world of business and in the professions. Yet during the investigation no one had succeeded in attending their private prayer meetings, no one had heard their Hebrew and Ladino songs, and certainly no outsider was admitted to witness the celebration of Shabtai's birthday. The Festival of the Lamb remained the secret of all secrets.
The revolt of the Young Turks in 1908 against the authoritarian regime of Sultan Abdul Hamid began among the intellectuals of Salonika. It was from there that the demand for a constitutional regime originated. Among the leaders of the revolution which resulted in a more modern government in Turkey were Djavid Bey and Mustafa Kemal. Both were ardent 'doenmehs'. Djavid Bey became minister of finance; Mustafa Kemal became the leader of the new regime and he adopted the name of Ataturk. His opponents tried to use his 'doenmeh' background to unseat him, but without success. Too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had as their real prophet Shabtai Zvi, the Messiah of Smyrna.
to be cont..
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
19-01-2007, 03:00 AM
The Political History of Turkish - Jewish Relations
The history of Turkish-Jewish relations is extensive. Many Jews emigrated to the Ottoman Empire during the Spanish Inquisition and many Sephardic Jews lived under the rule of the Ottoman Empire which ruled most of the Middle East. Many of the Jews were well educated and some were able to reach important positions in Turkish society.
Prominant Turkish Jewish Figures * *
Various historians such as the late Rabbi Dr. Joachim Prinz have written that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (the "father of Modern Turkey") was of Spanish Jewish Ancestry. His ancestors fled Spain during the Spanish Inquisition. In the book Prinz writes about the Jewish community of Thessalonica (now in Greece) where Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was born. Many of the policies of Ataturk have supported the claims that he was Jewish such as his strong Anti-Islamic secularization program in Turkey, the conversion of the Turkish Alphabet from Arabic script to the Latin alphabet, and the end of the Caliphate.
Modern Turkish-Israeli Political Relations
Turkey was the first Islamic country to recognize the State of Israel. Turkey and Israel have had a unique relationship in the Middle East. Israel has been a major supplier of arms to Turkey. Their agreements include cooperation in the "domains of air, sea, land, intelligence; and the manufacturing of aircraft, armaments and missiles," and "prepares the way for mutual military visits, training and exercises, dispatch of observers to oversee military exercises, staff exchanges and military know-how."
The strong relationship between Turkey and Israel has angered the Arabs. Turkey has attempted to maintain an image of neutrality on the topic of various Arab issues such as the Palestianian-Israeli conflict and Lebanon. The Israeli Mossad also played a role in arresting the Kurdish leader, Abdullah Ocalan.
Economic Cooperation between Turkey and Israel
On January 1, 2000, Turkey and Israel signed the "Turkish Israeli free trade agreement" making it the first Muslim country to sign such as an agreement with the Jewish state. Turkey and Israel signed an agreement to construct a pipeline to bring oil, natural gas, water, and electricity to Israel from Turkey.
Military Cooperation between Turkey and Israel
Modernization of Arms
* Modernization of Turkey's F-4 Phantoms and F-5 aircraft at a cost of $900 million.
* Upgrading 650 of Turkey's M-60 A1 tanks for $500 million.
Arms Sales
* Popeye-I and Popeye-II surface-to-air missiles.
* Arrow anti-ballistic-missiles.
* 400km (250 miles) range Delilah cruise missiles.
* 1,000 Merkava Mark III Main Battle Tanks for $5,000 million.
Common Production
* Popeye-II surface-to-air missiles for $150 million.
* Arrow anti-ballistic-missiles. (Agreed by Israel. Approval of the United States is awaited.)
* 400km (250 miles) range Delilah cruise missiles. (Negotiation)
Training
* The agreement provides exchange of pilots eight times a year; allows Israeli pilots to practice "long range flying over mountainous land" in Turkey's Konya firing range; and permits Turkish pilots to train at Israel's computerized firing range at the Nevatim airfield. (Nechmani, 1998: 24; Pipes, 1997 34)
* The two navies conducted maneuvers during Operation Reliant Mermaid (the U.S. also participated) in January 1998.
Intelligence Share
* The intelligence agencies of both countries also share intelligence about terrorist groups (i.e. PKK), hostile states (i.e. Syria, Iran) and their equipments (i.e. MI-29 fighters of Syria).
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_History_of_Turkish_-Jewish_Relations
Noor ul Islam
19-01-2007, 07:42 AM
May Allah preserve Islam and Muslim Ummah. May Allah guide the muslims and save them from the treacheries of their enemies. May Allah guide and preserve those who are working for the sake of Allah and for the preservation of his Deen. MAy Allah help those who inform the Ummah of the treacheries of their enemies. Wassalaam
Ansari_UK
27-02-2007, 09:41 PM
may Allah allow us to help our Turkish brothers be free from these secret khanzeer who plot against them.
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
28-02-2007, 02:43 PM
may Allah allow us to help our Turkish brothers be free from these secret khanzeer who plot against them.
insha-Allah brother..
by the way, the current head of the army whose name is Yasar Buyukanit is also a zionist jew.
the major media corporations such as hurriyet, milliyet, sabah, cumhuriyet, vatan are also run by secret jews called Doenmeh.
the only lady prime minister of turkey of 90's - Tansu Ciller is also a secret Jew.
The late so-called novelist Orhan Pamuk, who received a fake nobel prize from his western brothers, is also a secret jew.
... The list is very long..
There are a lot of secret jews today in turkey, who hide themselves under a disguise called "turkish nationalism", or "vatansever" (fatherland lover) are jews.
No one can REALLY understand what happened to turkey, how it changed so much, how islam is being desecerated, unless they get to know these secret zionist jews, who run turkey from 1923 till today with an extreme brutalism like communism, and who are brainwashing the new generations in turkey in order that the muslims of Anatolia (Turkey) will not wake up.
May Allah(subhanahu wa Tela) let the Anatolian turks open their eyes and overthrow this zionist/anti islamic regime called "Secular Republic of Turkey" as soon as possible, and re-establish Allah's Shariah and the Islamic Khilafah..
The so-called "Secular Republic of Turkey" is nothing but a reserve state for Zionist Israel, and a puppet in the hands of Emperialist America and EU.
The harsh dictator of Turkey, jewish zionist drunkard kafeer Mustafa Kemal was a freemason and a British agent. The Emperialist Garb (West) raised and put him in front of us make a role model.. A role model that the newer generations will be misguided and be away from islam. Ever since the establishment of new secular regime in Turkey, the people are being extremely brainwashed with fake historical tales, so that the people will admire the zionist jewish pig - Mustafa Kemal, who was one of the worst enemies of Islam.. He and his followers massacred thousands of Muslims in turkey in order that their anti-islamic reforms will be established.
An oppressed Anatolian Brother of yours
FATIH SULTAN MUHAMMED
Abu Talaal
28-02-2007, 04:37 PM
Assalaamu alaikum,
Incredible story and the state of affairs amongst Turks is truly a sad one.
May Allah lift open their eyes and make them aware of the dajjals that surround them, and may Allah enable them to crush these dajjals and return to their deen which is the only fruit which can sustain their souls. May He destroy their secular beliefs and practices and make Islam reign supreme in their lives. Aameen.
These Jews have truly made a mockery of us Muslims through their trickery - particularly in Turkey which was the seat of an Islamic empire for hundreds of years. They have vast influence over the Turkish masses and Islam is becoming less and less apart of the lives of Turks as each day goes by. Could it be that one day these Turks will wake up with nothing Islamic at all in their lives?
Naudhobillah!
Abu Talaal
28-02-2007, 04:53 PM
"According to Ross, the secretive Sabbatean community, with an estimated 20,000 members, is known to security forces in Turkey, but not to the general public. Most of them live in Istanbul in large blocks of luxury flats in the Shishli Jewish quarter - unbeknownst to their neighbors.
"It's like a well-known secret. But the Sabbateans don't want to be exposed. I have been asked by four members of the community not to publish my book. They fear reactions from extreme Islamic elements."
To help substantiate his claims, Ross brought to Israel one of the members of the community who was willing to "come out of the closet" in order to be converted formally by rabbis: "Ilgaz Zorlu is his name. But the rabbis [in Israel] said he can't be converted because he doesn't accept all of the Talmudic law. They accepted that he knows more kabbala than they do. He prays; he practices Conservative Judaism. But, he's not bothered about Talmud so they said he had to do a nine-month conversion."
Meanwhile, Zorlu, a young accountant from Istanbul, has written his own book, which is mostly historical in nature. Entitled "Yes, I am a Salonikan," it has been printed six times.
Ross believes that there are a number of secret Sabbateans who hold key positions of influence in the Turkish parliament, legislature and executive branches of government, including the foreign minister himself. This, he observes, may help explain the close relations that exist today between Israel and Turkey."
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=181051
Abu Talaal
28-02-2007, 05:00 PM
Here is a discussion about it on an Israeli forum (VERY INFORMATIVE, MUST READ FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED - first two posts, especially):
http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=8492&page=1
Sunni_Muslim4life
01-03-2007, 10:26 PM
Interesting
Sad what happend to Turks muslims because they are ruled by secret jews and they judge by the law of Ignorance.
I have a question:
Is it true that Turkey will be conquerd again by muslimforces,they establish again the Islamic law?
hayseed
02-03-2007, 12:13 AM
I thought the Zionist new world order ran everything.:confused:
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
02-03-2007, 05:11 PM
Interesting
Sad what happend to Turks muslims because they are ruled by secret jews and they judge by the law of Ignorance.
I have a question:
Is it true that Turkey will be conquerd again by muslimforces, they establish again the Islamic law?
insha-Allah brother. This is the will of the saleh Muslimeen in Turkey and everywhere. In particular, if you look at the last 20 years of Turkey, you will see Islam always in rise. This is because, Muslim turks started to realize that their rulers are not muslims and those evil rulers are desecrating Islam. That is, the Turks are waking up from their sleep. There are now lot of Muslim Jama'ah who are inviting people to the path of Allah, and asking them to overthrow the secular/jewish republic and re-establish Allah's Shari'a.. This overtaking of Muslim rule will occur very soon insha-Allah. (Let's make du'a for them..) But we should always work hard. The major problem of Muslims in Turkey is similar to the ones at most other Muslim lands: They are not united, and they just can not. Most of them want to go on their Usuul!
If you notice brother, the Muslim political parties have always increased their votes in spite of the vilifications of the jewish / secular / communist mass media in turkey. This is because people in Turkey are now more aware of the realities. They finally got to realize that their puppet governments are always lying them; their oppressive rulers are always betraying them, and that what evil dictators were the founders of the so-called oppressive secular (jewish) republic, and how they cheated them.. Even if the dictators of Turkey won't display on media, there are so many people in turkey that curse on the founders of secular republic.
Islamic movement Hizb-ut Tahrir is now very active in Turkey, too.
Let us make du'a for the Muslims of Turkey besides all others.
Let the coming years bring us the of Islamic Khilafah..
Wa's-selamu aleykum Wa Rahmetullah..
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
02-03-2007, 05:20 PM
"According to Ross, the secretive Sabbatean community, with an estimated 20,000 members, is known to security forces in Turkey, but not to the general public. Most of them live in Istanbul in large blocks of luxury flats in the Shishli Jewish quarter - unbeknownst to their neighbors.
"It's like a well-known secret. But the Sabbateans don't want to be exposed. I have been asked by four members of the community not to publish my book. They fear reactions from extreme Islamic elements."
To help substantiate his claims, Ross brought to Israel one of the members of the community who was willing to "come out of the closet" in order to be converted formally by rabbis: "Ilgaz Zorlu is his name. But the rabbis [in Israel] said he can't be converted because he doesn't accept all of the Talmudic law. They accepted that he knows more kabbala than they do. He prays; he practices Conservative Judaism. But, he's not bothered about Talmud so they said he had to do a nine-month conversion."
Meanwhile, Zorlu, a young accountant from Istanbul, has written his own book, which is mostly historical in nature. Entitled "Yes, I am a Salonikan," it has been printed six times.
Ross believes that there are a number of secret Sabbateans who hold key positions of influence in the Turkish parliament, legislature and executive branches of government, including the foreign minister himself. This, he observes, may help explain the close relations that exist today between Israel and Turkey."
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=181051
Here is a discussion about it on an Israeli forum (VERY INFORMATIVE, MUST READ FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED - first two posts, especially):
http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...?t=8492&page=1
Jazakallah Khairan brother Abu Talaal for these insightful references. Al hamdulillah I am aware of all these articles, and I have even a lot more. By time, I will try to post and share them with you in order that you understand what happened to Turkey. I mostly know who these secret jews in turkey are, and how they manage to remain in power, and how they abuse and trick innocent people. I know lots of friends that are knowledgeable about the fraudulent oppressive state of anti-islamic secular/jewish republic of turkey.
oOo Lamia oOo
04-03-2007, 04:00 PM
its not only happening in turkey
look at palestine etc.
whats happening in iraq is because the sunnis and shias cant come to an agreement about anything. And the jews aka AMERICA came and interfered and are destroying lives.
TapeMonkey
05-03-2007, 08:13 AM
Some good 'ole fashioned jew-bashing.
Seriously, is this all we can do?
oOo Lamia oOo
05-03-2007, 06:39 PM
it is the only thing that we can do
the jews in conjunction with america and the uk are all turning against islam and for what???
OUR IMAN
al hamdolilah muslims as a brotherhood is doing well except for the diagreements between certain branches.
this is all propaganda and we will have much more of it. But allah swt is the most merciful and most beneficient and will help us along the way inshallah.
ozgurislam
05-03-2007, 06:45 PM
insha-Allah brother. This is the will of the saleh Muslimeen in Turkey and everywhere. In particular, if you look at the last 20 years of Turkey, you will see Islam always in rise. This is because, Muslim turks started to realize that their rulers are not muslims and those evil rulers are desecrating Islam. That is, the Turks are waking up from their sleep. There are now lot of Muslim Jama'ah who are inviting people to the path of Allah, and asking them to overthrow the secular/jewish republic and re-establish Allah's Shari'a.. This overtaking of Muslim rule will occur very soon insha-Allah. (Let's make du'a for them..) But we should always work hard. The major problem of Muslims in Turkey is similar to the ones at most other Muslim lands: They are not united, and they just can not. Most of them want to go on their Usuul!
If you notice brother, the Muslim political parties have always increased their votes in spite of the vilifications of the jewish / secular / communist mass media in turkey. This is because people in Turkey are now more aware of the realities. They finally got to realize that their puppet governments are always lying them; their oppressive rulers are always betraying them, and that what evil dictators were the founders of the so-called oppressive secular (jewish) republic, and how they cheated them.. Even if the dictators of Turkey won't display on media, there are so many people in turkey that curse on the founders of secular republic.
Islamic movement Hizb-ut Tahrir is now very active in Turkey, too.
Let us make du'a for the Muslims of Turkey besides all others.
Let the coming years bring us the of Islamic Khilafah..
Wa's-selamu aleykum Wa Rahmetullah..
As salamu aleykum wa rahamtullahi wa baraktuh,
Fatih Sultan may Allah give us a ''Kara Murat'' (Black Murat a Islamic Warrior) to overrule Turkey again.:cheesygri
ahmedwael
14-03-2007, 09:01 PM
Excuse me my brother but allah siad in his book "wa in ja'acom fasecon benaba'i fatabayanoh an tosebooh kawmaa bejahalati fatosbe7oo 3ala ma fa3altom nadimeen" this aya sais that u have to be sure of something before admiting it is true but right now i cant see the proof of that the Jews are the ones controlling turkey. And remember why the Ottomans fell it was because of the leaders in it who were only thinki ng about "were do i build my next palace" which was the main reason of em falling"
thank you
al salam alaicom:frown:
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
15-03-2007, 04:16 AM
Excuse me my brother but allah siad in his book "wa in ja'acom fasecon benaba'i fatabayanoh an tosebooh kawmaa bejahalati fatosbe7oo 3ala ma fa3altom nadimeen" this aya sais that u have to be sure of something before admiting it is true
but right now i cant see the proof of that the Jews are the ones controlling turkey. And remember why the Ottomans fell it was because of the leaders in it who were only thinki ng about "were do i build my next palace" which was the main reason of em falling"????
Did you make sure what you are typing above are true??
BTW. Yes, Whatever I wrote above are the facts. Turkey is where I am from, and I know my country and history very well..
Truth about Jewish Dictator Mustafa Kemal and Jewish run Turkey: http://m-kemal.blogspot.com
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
26-03-2007, 09:11 PM
Source: History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey, by Stanford Jay Shaw, 1977
Vol. 2 by S.J. Shaw and E.K. Shaw
page. 264-265
Salonica was a far more likely center for revolutionary activity than was Damascus. ... It had a substantial Jewish population as well as a large group of Jewish converts to Islam called 'donmes', who while ostensibly accepting the dominant faith of the empire secretly retained some of their old beliefs and practices, creating a situation that hindered their full acceptance into the Muslim community.
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Thus, when Mustafa Kemal came to spread the word of 'Fatherland and Liberty' (Vatan ve Hurriyet) early in 1906, he was welcome. He found a number of kindred spirits in the Third Army, including Cemil Bey, adjutant of the military governor of Macedonia, and Talat Bey, a local postal official later to become a major Young Turk figure. He formed them into a branch of the Damascus society but with a different name, the 'Ottoman Liberty Society' (Osmanli Hurriyet Cemiyeti).
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The Ottoman Liberty Society had expanded rapidly among officers and bureaucrats in the Macedonian provinces. Organized in small cells on the model of those of the Bulgarian terrorists, the new organization seems to have held its meetings in the lodges of the masonic order and to have received financial and other assistance from 'donmes' who hoped that its triumph might alleviate their situation in Ottoman society.
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On December 27-29, 1907, the Second Young Turk Congress met in Paris in a new effort to secure cooperation against the common enemy. This time it was chaired jointly, not only by Ahmet Riza and Prince Sabaheddin, but also by K. Maloumian, of the Armenian revolutionary Federation (Dashnaks), who hoped to use the Young Turks to gain their own national objectives.
.. to be continued
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
26-03-2007, 10:07 PM
Turkey: Ambassador Marc Grossman
The "Kemalist" Turkey is the only Middle East border country with a military alliance with Israel. They pose a threat to Syria and Iraq over long simmering border disputes. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a secret Jewish infiltrator! This explains the alliance between the Ataturk-influenced military regime in Turkey and the fraudulent and criminal state of Israel! This also explains the opposition of the "kémalian" junta against the rennaisance of Islam amongst the muslim people of Turkey! About the jewish Ataturk: visit the jewish home page "Famous Jews (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-folder.html)".
source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-usa-ambassadors.html
.. to be continued
European colonialists conspired to destroy the Khilafah state
On Monday 3rd March 1924 (28th Rajab 1342AH), the world woke to the news that Mustafa Kemal in Turkey had officially abolished the Khilafah. That night Abdul-Mejid II, the last Khaleefah of the Muslims, was bundled in to a car with a suitcase of clothes and money and exiled from Turkey, never to return. This is how 1342 years of Islamic rule ended. The following is a historical account of the actions of the colonial powers in first sowing the seeds of disunity amongst Muslims by implanting the idea of nationalism and then finally administering the destruction of the Khilafah state by their treacherous agents.
A few months after the destruction of the Khilafah on 24th July, Turkey's independence was officially recognised with the signing of the Lausanne Treaty. Britain and its allies withdrew all their troops that had occupied Turkey since the end of the First World War. In response to this, protests were made in the House of Commons to the British Foreign Secretary Lord Curzon, for recognising Turkey's independence. Lord Curzon replied, "The situation now is that Turkey is dead and will never rise again, because we have destroyed its moral strength, the Caliphate and Islam."
As admitted by Lord Curzon, Britain along with France played a pivotal role in destroying the Khilafah and carving up the Muslim lands between them. Their plans against the Khilafah were not just a reaction to the Khilafah siding with Germany in World War I. These plans were set in motion hundreds of years ago finally coming to fruition when the Uthmani Khilafah began to rapidly decline in the mid eighteenth century.
The first attempt at destroying the unity of Islam came in the 11th century when Pope Urban II launched the first crusade to occupy Al-Quds. After 200 years of occupation the crusaders were finally defeated at the hands of Salahudeen Ayyubi. In the 15th century Constantinople was conquered and the last stronghold of the Byzantine Empire defeated. Then in the 16th century the Islamic State swept across southern and eastern Europe carrying Islam to its peoples. Consequently millions of people in Albania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and other countries embraced Islam. After the siege of Vienna in 1529 Europe formed alliances to stop the Khilafah's expansion in to Europe. It was at this point the crusaders animosity towards Islam and the Khilafah was revived and plans were hatched to deal with this "Oriental Problem" as it became known.
Count Henri Decastri, a French author wrote in his book entitled ‘Islam' in 1896:
"I cannot imagine what the Muslims would say if they heard the tales of the mediaeval ages and understood what the Christian orators used to say in their hymns; all our hymns even those which emerged before the 12th century emanated from one concept which was the cause of the crusades, these hymns were filled with hatred towards the Muslims due to the total ignorance of their religion. As a result of those hymns and songs, hatred against that religion became fixed in people's minds, and the erroneous ideas deeply rooted, some of which are still carried nowadays. Everyone used to regard the Muslims as polytheists, disbelievers, idol worshippers and apostates."
After their defeat the crusaders realised that the cause of Muslims strength and resolve was the Islamic Aqeeda. As long as Muslims were strongly attached to Islam and the Qur'an the Khilafah could never be destroyed. This is why at the end of the 16th century they established the first missionary centre in Malta and made it their headquarters for launching a missionary onslaught against the Muslim world. This was the beginning of western culture entering the Muslim world by British, French and American missionaries.
These missionaries worked under the guise of educational and scientific institutions. Initially their effect on the Muslims was minimal. But during the 18th and 19th centuries when decline had set in to the Khilafah the missionaries managed to exploit weaknesses in the state and spread corrupted concepts to the people. In the 19th century Beirut became the centre for missionary activity. During this time the missionaries exploited civil strife between Christians and Druze and later Christians and Muslims, with Britain siding with the Druze and France siding with the Christian Maronites.
The missionaries had two main objectives during this time.
1. To separate the Arabs from the Uthmani state
2. To alienate the Muslims from the bond of Islam
In 1875 the "Secret Association" was formed in Beirut in an attempt to encourage Arab nationalism among the people. Through declarations and leaflets it called for the political independence of the Arabs, especially those in Syria and Lebanon. Those in charge repeatedly accused Turkey in their literature of snatching the Islamic Khilafah from the Arabs, violating the Islamic Shari'ah, and abusing the Deen.
These seeds of Arab nationalism came to fruition in 1916 when Britain ordered its agent Sharif Hussein of Mecca to launch the Arab Revolt against the Uthmani Khilafah. This revolt was successful in dividing the Arab lands from the Khilafah and placing them under British and French mandates.
At the same time nationalism was being incited among the Turks. The Young Turks movement was established in 1889 on the basis of Turkish nationalism and achieved power in 1908 after ousting Khaleefah Abdul-Hamid II. The traitor Mustafa Kemal who went on to abolish the Khilafah was a member of the Young Turks. This is why Mustafa Kemal later said: "Was it not because of the Khilafah, Islam and the clergy that the Turkish peasants fought and died for five centuries? It is high time Turkey looked after her own interests and ignored the Indians and the Arabs. Turkey should rid itself of leading the Muslims."
Alongside the missionary activities Britain and France along with Russia began to directly colonise many parts of the Muslim world. This started during the mid eighteenth century when in 1768 Catherine II of Russia fought the Khilafah and successfully occupied the lands of Southern Ukraine, Northern Caucasus, and Crimea which became incorporated in to the Russian Empire. France attacked Egypt and Britain began its occupation of India. In the 19th century France occupied North Africa and Britain occupied Egypt, Sudan and India. Gradually, the lands of the Khilafah were receding until the end of the 1st world war when all that was left was Turkey, which was occupied by allied troops under the command of a British general named Charles Harrington.
The division of the lands of the Khilafah was a deliberate agreement hatched by Britain and France in 1916 in the secret agreement known as Sykes-Picot. This plan was negotiated between French diplomat François Georges-Picot and British diplomatic advisor Mark Sykes. Under the agreement Britain was allocated control of Jordan, Iraq and a small area around Haifa. France was allocated control of South-eastern Turkey, Northern Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. The controlling powers were left free to decide on state boundaries within these areas. The Middle Eastern map today is the legacy of Sykes-Picot with the borders matching Mr Sykes and Mr Picot's lines drawn using a ruler over the former lands of the Khilafah.
In the years preceeding the destruction of the Khilafah, Britain played the most important role through nurturing its agent Mustafa Kemal. Through a number of political maneuvers aided by Britain, Mustafa Kemal was able to establish himself as an authority within Turkey. In 1922, the Lausanne conference was organised by the British foreign Secretary Lord Curzon to discuss Turkey's independence. Turkey at that time was under the occupation of the allied forces with the institution of the Khilafah existing in all but name. During this conference Lord Curzon stipulated four conditions prior to recognising the independence of Turkey. These conditions were:
1. The total abolishment of the Khilafah
2. The expulsion of the Khalifah beyond the borders
3. The confiscation of its assets
4. Declaration that Turkey become a secular state
The success of the conference rested on the fulfilment of these four conditions. However, even with such foreign pressure many Muslims within Turkey still cherished the idea of Khilafah, which had served Islam so well for so many centuries and found it inconceivable that it could ever be abolished. Hence, Lord Curzon failed to secure these conditions and the conference wound up in failure. Yet, the cunning Lord Curzon on behalf of Britain did not give up. On the 3rd March 1924 Mustafa Kemal using force and terrorising his political opponents managed to push through the Abolition bill that would see the institution of Khilafah officially abolished.
For the colonialists powers destroying the Khilafah was not enough. They wanted to ensure that the Khilafah could never arise again among the Muslims.
Lord Curzon said, "We must put an end to anything which brings about any Islamic unity between the sons of the Muslims. As we have already succeeded in finishing off the Caliphate, so we must ensure that there will never arise again unity for the Muslims, whether it be intellectual or cultural unity."
Therefore, they placed a number of obstacles in the path of re-establishing the Khilafah such as:
1. The introduction of the non-Islamic concepts in the Islamic world such as patriotism, nationalism, socialism and secularism and the colonialists encouragement of political movements based on these ideas
2. The presence of educational curriculum set up by the colonial powers, which have remained in tact for 80 years, that made the majority of the graduated young people and those in the educational institutions proceed in a direction contradictory to Islam
3. The economic strangulation of the Muslim world by western governments and companies such that the people live in abject poverty and are forced to focus solely upon feeding themselves and their families whilst turning away from the true role of the colonialists
4. The deliberate legacy of dividing the Muslim world around contentious borders and territories such that Muslims would permanently be engaged in petty issues
5. The creation of organisations such as the Arab League and later the Organisation of Islamic countries (OIC) that diluted the bonds of Islam, continued the disunity of the Muslim world whilst failing miserably to solve any problem or issue
6. The imposition of a foreign state, Israel, into the heart of the Muslim world that would spearhead the western powers assault upon defenceless Muslims while perpetuating the myth of Muslim inferiority
7. The presence in the Muslim countries of tyrant rulers whose allegiance is to their western masters; whom oppress and torture the Ummah; they are not from the Ummah and hate the Ummah just as much as the Ummah hates them
Despite these obstacles and the plots and plans of the colonialists the re-establishment of the Khilafah is once again a reality for the Muslim world. We must take this opportunity on the anniversary of the destruction of the Khilafah to reflect on the current situation of the Muslims and ensure that only by working to bring back the Khilafah can we truly achieve success in this life and the next.
http://www.khilafah .com/kcom/the-khilafah/issues/european-colonialists-conspired-to-destroy-the-khilafah-state.html
ozgurislam
28-03-2007, 07:50 PM
Well the fall of the Uthmanian Impire started when inmoral Saudi Arabs worked together with British to fight Uthmani, and Brithish fooled Arabs when war was over, Ataturk did get insprired by British....whole story complete..
ozgurislam
28-03-2007, 07:56 PM
Very usefull articles to see who really did let fall the Utman Impire and Khalifa.
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/dogs.html
These deviants get their so-called "ijtiahds" from deviants such as Al-Albani, Bin Baz, al-Jaza'iri, Mashhur Salman, Abu Aminah Bilal Philips, Mr. Uthaymeen, all of these Khawarij trace back to the payroll of the Saudi clan in Arabia. The chain of their so-called knowledge, and their false love of religion traces back to a dajjal who went by the name of Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhab, who was a man sponsered, educated, paid, and helped by the British to eradicate the Uthmani (a.k.a. Ottoman) empire, as well as the rest of the Muslim 'Ummah from within
ozgurislam
29-03-2007, 07:52 PM
The History Of The Fighting With The Wahhabiyyah
At the time Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab and his assistants initiated their treacherous ideology by which they called the Muslims blasphemers, they were gaining control of eastern Arabia one tribe after another. This expansion eventually encompassed al-Yaman, Makkah, al-Madinah, and the tribes of al-Hijaz all the way to ash-Sham.
Debating With The Scholars Of Makkah
Initially, the Wahhabis sent a group to Makkah and al-Madinah thinking they would be able to spoil the belief of the scholars of these two holy cities and tamper with their belief through lies and fabrications. When they reached there and declared their beliefs, the scholars of Makkah and al-Madinah refuted them and established the Islamic evidences against them--which they could not refute. The scholars were certain about the Wahhabis’ ignorance and misguidance and found them absurd and thoughtless.
After evaluating their beliefs and finding them full of many types of blasphemy, the Wahhabis fled like frightened zebras fleeing from a lion. Hence, after establishing the proofs, the scholars wrote an attestation against the Wahhabiyyah to the Head Judge of Makkah confirming the Wahhabis as blasphemous because of their beliefs. The aim of the scholars was to disclose the misguidance of the Wahhabis and make it known to the Muslims near and far. This action took place during the rulership of Sharif Mas'ud Ibn Sa'id Ibn Sa'd Ibn Zayn, the ruler of Hijaz who ordered the imprisonment of those unjust Wahhabis. Sharif Mas'ud Ibn Sa'id Ibn Sa'd Ibn Zayn died in 1165 A.H.
Some Wahhabis managed to escape their imprisonment. They went to ad-Dar'iyyah and spoke about what they encountered in Makkah. This made the Wahhabis more devilishly haughty, and they started attacking the tribes which were loyal to the prince of Makkah.
Outbreak Of Hostilities:
Fighting In At-Ta’if, Makkah, And Juddah
The fighting between the Wahhabis and the prince of Makkah, Mawlana Sharif Ghalib Ibn Mus'id Ibn Sa'id Ibn Sa'd Ibn Zayd, broke out after 1205 A.H. Many battles took place between the prince and the Wahhabis. Although many people were killed, the Wahhabis’ strength kept intensifying. Their innovations kept propagating until most of the Bedouin tribes paid allegiance to them--even the Bedouins who were under the rulership of the prince of Makkah.
In 1217 A.H., they marched with big armies to the area of at-Ta’if. In Dhul-Qa'dah{19} of the same year, they lay siege to the area the Muslims were, subdued them, and killed the people: men, women, and children. They also looted the Muslims’ belongings and possessions. Only a few people escaped their barbarism.
After at-Ta’if{18} came under their control, the Wahhabis planned to march towards Makkah, but this was during the time the Muslims were performing Pilgrimage, and many of the Muslims from ash-Sham and Egypt were in Makkah. The Wahhabis knew if they attacked Makkah at that time all the people performing Pilgrimage would join in fighting them. They stayed in at-Ta’if until Hajj was over, and the people had returned to their countries. Then the Wahhabis and their armies set out to attack Makkah. Sharif Ghalib did not have enough power to face these armies, so he went to Juddah. The people of Makkah were afraid the Wahhabis would treat them in the same manner the people of at-Ta’if were treated, so they negotiated and surrendered to them. The Wahhabis granted the people of Makkah security and entered Makkah on the eighth of Muharram, 1218 A.H. They occupied themselves there for fourteen days ordering the Muslims to repent and embrace Islam--since the Wahhabis falsely claimed them as blasphemers. The people were prohibited from doing what the Wahhabis incorrectly believed to be blasphemy, like performing tawassul and visiting the graves.
Having gained control of at-Ta’if and Makkah, the Wahhabis turned their armies towards Juddah to fight Sharif Ghalib. When they surrounded Juddah, Sharif Ghalib bombarded them with cannons and projectiles. He killed many Wahhabis and prevented the conquering of Juddah. After eight days, the Wahhabis departed Juddah to return to their own territories. The Wahhabis left some of their army in Makkah and appointed 'Abdul-Mu'in, the brother of Sharif Ghalib, as prince. 'Abdul-Mu'in only accepted this position to protect the people of Makkah and shelter them from the evil mistreatment of the harmful Wahhabis.
In the month of Rabi'-ul-’Awwal of the same year, Prince Ghalib left Juddah accompanied by Sharif Basha--the governor of Juddah and the representative of the Supreme 'Uthmaniyy{21} Sultan. They arrived in Makkah with their army and overpowered the Wahhabis. They expelled the Wahhabi army and this brought Makkah back under the authority of Sharif Ghalib.
The Capture Of Makkah
The Wahhabis left Makkah and became involved with fighting many of the tribes. They captured at-Ta’if and appointed 'Uthman al-Madayiqiyy as the governor. This governor joined forces with some of the Wahhabis’ soldiers and started fighting the tribes next to the borders of Makkah and al-Madinah until they pledged allegiance to them. They eventually subdued all the tribes and captured all the lands originally under the authority of the Governor of Makkah. After this, 'Uthman al-Madayiqiyy mobilized his army in an attempt to capture Makkah. In 1220 A.H. they lay siege to Makkah and then surrounded it from all directions to tighten this siege. They blocked the routes to the city and prevented supplies from reaching there. It was a great hardship on the people of Makkah. Food became exorbitantly expensive and then unavailable. They resorted to eating dogs.
Sharif Ghalib was compelled to ask for reconciliation with the Wahhabis. He accepted for some people to arbitrate between them. He signed an agreement with conditions stipulating the rulership of Makkah would be kept for him, and the people of Makkah would be treated leniently. The Wahhabis accepted these conditions. They entered Makkah by the end of Dhul-Qa'dah in 1220 A.H. They also gained control of al-Madinah. They plundered what was in the room of the Nabi, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, took all the money that was there, and did some disgraceful acts. They appointed a man among them, Mubarak Ibn Madyan, as the governor of al-Madinah.
The Wahhabis ruled Makkah and al-Madinah for seven years. During these years, they prevented the people of ash-Sham and Egypt from entering Makkah carrying the cloak{20} of the Ka'bah when they came to perform pilgrimage. The Wahhabis started to make the cloak for the Ka'bah from black material. They prevented the people from smoking tobacco. When they found someone smoking they punished him fiercely. During this time, the Wahhabis destroyed the domes built on the graves of the righteous Muslims.
The 'Uthmaniyy State Starts To React
Throughout these years, the 'Uthmaniyy State was in great confusion and chaos. The 'Uthmaniyys were engaged in fierce fighting with the Christians and they were trying to cope with disunity among the ruling power. One sultan would be appointed, then thrown out or possibly killed, until 1226 AH when the Sultan issued an order to the ruler of Egypt, Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha, to prepare to fight the Wahhabis.
The Army From Egypt
Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha organized a big army and by a mandate from the Sultan, appointed his son, Tusun Basha, as its commanding officer. Those troops left Egypt in Ramadan of the same year and journeyed by land and by sea until they reached Yanbu' and regained it form the Wahhabis. In Dhul-Hijjah 1226 AH, the army reached an area between as-Safra’ and al-Hadidah. A fierce fight broke out with the Bedouins who were in al-Harbiyyah. These tribes were loyal to the Wahhabis, and many other tribes also joined them. As a result, the Egyptian army was badly defeated, many of the soldiers were massacred, and all the belongings of the army were looted. A small number of this army made their way back to Egypt.
The Second Egyptian Campaign
In 1227 A.H., Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha was determined to lead the army to al-Hijaz himself, so he mobilized more troops. In the month of Sha'ban some ranks of the army were sent before him--at the peak of their strength and preparedness. Among their artillery were eighteen canons. In Ramadan, the army captured what the Wahhabis formerly controlled and regained the area of as-Safra’, al-Hadidah, and other places without a fight, i.e., by attracting the shaykhs of the Bedouin tribes to their side. Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha gave money to the leaders of these tribes and salaries were arranged for them. These arrangements were made under the management of Sharif Ghalib, the Sharif of Makkah, who fooled the Wahhabis into believing he was on their side. The first time the Egyptians were defeated, they had not consulted with Sharif Ghalib--so he was unaware of their need for a similar arrangement.
Around the end of Dhul-Qa'dah, the army entered al-Madinah. When the news about the victory of the Muslim army reached Egypt, the Muslims celebrated the event for three days. They decorated the city, displayed fireworks, and fired their guns in celebration. They conveyed this good news to all the Christian kings.
The army traveling by sea captured Juddah at the beginning of Muharram, 1228 A.H., and then headed towards Makkah to regain control. The army did not engage in any battles with the Wahhabis as a result of the secret arrangements the Sharif managed to achieve. When the army reached Juddah, the Wahhabiyy army and princes fled Makkah. Al-Madayiqiyy, the Wahhabi princes of at-Ta’if, and their army fled at-Ta’if when they got word the Muslim army regained control of Juddah and Makkah.
The prince of the Wahhabis, Prince Su'ud, went to Hajj in 1227 A.H., before these events took place. After Hajj he went to at-Ta’if and then back to ad-Dar'iyyah. It was some time before he learned about the defeat in al-Madinah the Wahhabis suffered at the hands of the Sultan’s army. When he arrived in ad-Dar'iyyah he got word of the capture of Makkah and at-Ta’if.
The Good News Reaches The Sultan
In Rabi'-ul-’Awwal, 1228 A.H., Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha sent delegates to the capital of the state (Istanbul) carrying good new and keys. A written correspondence explained the keys were from Makkah, al-Madinah, Juddah and at-Ta’if. They entered the palace of the Sultan in a dignified and royal parade, followed by drummers announcing the great victory as songs were chanted joyfully. Fireworks were lit and cannons were fired; the delegates who brought the keys were honored. The Sultan promoted the rank of Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha, decorated him with many medallions, and granted him other medallions with an authorization to decorate the officers of his choice.
In Shawwal, 1228 A.H., before Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha left Egypt for al-Hijaz, Sharif Ghalib caught 'Uthman al-Madayiqiyy, the Wahhabi governor of at-Ta’if, who was one of their greatest agents and rulers. He was placed in iron chains and sent to Egypt. He arrived in Egypt in Dhul-Qa'dah--after Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha left for al-Hijaz. From Egypt, 'Uthman al-Madayiqiyy was sent to the capital of the state--where later he was killed.
Punishing Some Wahhabis And Replacing Sharif Ghalib
Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha reached Makkah in Dhul-Qa'dah, arrested Sharif Ghalib Ibn Mus'id and sent him to the capital of the state. Sharif Yahya Ibn Surur Ibn Musa'id, Sharif Ghalib’s nephew, was appointed as the Sharif (Governor) of Makkah.
In Muharram, 1229 A.H., Mubarak Ibn Madyan, the Wahhabi governor of al-Madinah was sent to the capital. He was carried around Constantinople in a disgraceful manner for the people to see. He was killed after this, and his head was hung on the gate of the government building. The same thing was done to 'Uthman al-Madayiqiyy as a punishment for all the crimes they committed during their rulership.
Sharif Ghalib was sent to Salonika{22}, held in high regard, and treated well until he died in 1231 A.H. He was buried there, and a dome was constructed over his grave--and to this day, the people still visit his grave. Sharif Ghalib’s rulership over Makkah lasted for twenty-six years.
Uprooting The Wahhabis
Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha continued to fight the Wahhabis, and he sent a large number of troops to Saudi Arabia in the areas of Turabah, Bishah, Ghamid, Dhahran, and 'Asir. His aim was to eradicate the Wahhabis, so he personally led the army in pursuit of them. In Sha'ban, 1229 A.H., he located them, killed and captured many, and demolished their strongholds. Prince Su'ud, the head of the Wahhabis, died in Jumadal-Ula, and his son, 'Abdullah, took over the leadership.
Shortly before the time of Pilgrimage, Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha left these areas and departed for Makkah. He performed Hajj and stayed in Makkah until Rajab, 1230 A.H. Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha left Hasan Basha{23} in Makkah and returned to Egypt in the middle of Rajab, 1230 A.H. He had spent one year and seven months residing in al-Hijaz, because he would not go back to Egypt until he had arranged the affairs of al-Hijaz and destroyed the Wahhabi factions spread throughout the Bedouin tribes of al-Hijaz and Eastern Arabia.
The Third Egyptian Campaign
The Wahhabi prince, 'Abdullah Ibn Su'ud, was still in ad-Dar'iyyah when Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha made preparations for an army to fight him. The troops were sent under the leadership of his son, Ibrahim Basha. Prior to this, 'Abdullah Ibn Su'ud corresponded with Tusun Basha Ibn Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha; Tusun Basha was in al-Madinah, to make a peace accord with 'Abdullah Ibn Su'ud. In this proposed accord, he agreed to pay his loyalty to Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha on the condition he was left as the governor of that area. Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha did not approve this arrangement. The army was mobilized under Ibrahim’s command at the end of 1231 A.H. Ibrahim Basha and his army reached ad-Dar'iyyah in 1232 A.H. where they battled 'Abdullah Ibn Su'ud. In Dhul-Qa'dah, 1233 A.H., they conquered the Wahhabis.
When Egypt received news of the victory, the people were extremely triumphant and rejoiced for seven days. They set off fireworks and fired 1,000 canons in celebration of this great event.
Some Of The War Expenses
Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha had a tremendous concern for fighting the Wahhabis by sea. He spent great amounts of money to attain his goal. Some of those who used to serve him said on one occasion 45,000 riyals{24} were paid to transport ammunition{25}. This costly payment was one of many times such things occurred. Another time, one transport in particular was made for ammunition carried from Yanbu' to al-Madinah. Each camel cost six riyals, half of which was paid by the governor of Yanbu' and the other half by the governor of al-Madinah. Upon the arrival of the shipment from al-Madinah to ad-Dar'iyyah, the fee for the transport of ammunition alone was 140,000 riyals.
The Capture Of The Wahhabis’ Leader
Ibrahim Basha caught 'Abdullah Ibn Su'ud and sent him and many of the Wahhabi princes to Egypt. They arrived on the seventeenth of Muharram, 1234 A.H., where people gathered to see the Wahhabi leader paraded around the capital riding on a camel. After this, 'Abdullah Ibn Su'ud was brought to see Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha. Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha stood up for 'Abdullah Ibn Su'ud, was gentle with him, and smiled as he let Abdullah sit beside him. Muhammad 'Aliyy Basha talked to him.
Al-Basha: Why do you keep rebelling?
Ibn Su'ud: The war goes on; you lose sometimes and you win other times.
Al-Basha: How did you find my son, Ibrahim Basha?
Ibn Su'ud: He was not reckless but he put forth effort and so did we until what Allah had willed happened.
Al-Basha: I will petition our master, the Sultan, on your behalf.
Ibn Su'ud: What Allah willed to be shall be.
Al-Basha ordered a robe{26} to be put on Ibn Su'ud before he left to the house of Isma'il Basha in Bulaq{27}. Abdullah Ibn Su'ud had a small metal box with him.
Al-Basha: What is this?
Ibn Su'ud: This was taken by my father from the room of the Nabi. I am taking it with me to the Sultan.
Al-Basha ordered the box to be opened. They found three Mushafs in it--the like of which no one had ever seen--and with them were 300 large pearls, one large emerald, and a golden ribbon.
Al-Basha: You have taken much more than that.
Ibn Su'ud: This is what I found kept by my father. He did not take all what was in the room for himself. The Bedouin tribesmen, the people of al-Madinah, the Aghas of al-Haram, and the Sharif of Makkah also removed things from the Nabi’s room.
Al-Basha: That is true. We found some of these things with the Sharif.
Then 'Abdullah Ibn Su'ud was sent to the place of the Sultan. In Muharram, 1235 A.H., Ibrahim Basha returned to Egypt from al-Hijaz after he destroyed ad-Dar'iyyah such that it was abandoned by its inhabitants. When Ibn Su'ud reached the headquarters of the Sultanate in Rabi'-ul-’Awwal, he was paraded around the city for all the people to see. He was then put to death at the Door of Hamayun (as a punishment for his crimes). The chiefs of his followers were executed in different places.
Conclusion
This is a very brief summary of the story of Muhammad Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab. To talk at length on each of these details would be very lengthy. The tribulations inflicted by the Wahhabis were a calamity for the Muslims. The Wahhabis shed a great deal of blood and robbed a great deal of money; their harm was prevalent and their evil spread.
Many of the hadiths of the Nabi, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, spoke explicitly about this tribulation. One narration said:
which means: <<There will be people who come from the eastern side of Arabia who will recite Qur’an, but their recitation will not pass beyond their collarbones{28}. They will go out of Islam as swiftly as the arrow goes through the prey. Their sign is shaving their heads.>> This hadith was mentioned in many narrations, including Sahih-ul-Bukhariyy and other books of hadith. There is no need to expound on listing these narrations or their narrators because they are well-known and of the sahih{29} classification.
The Nabi said: "Their sign is shaving their heads." This is an explicit reference to the Wahhabi sect. They used to order all those who follow them to shave their heads. None of the previous sects, i.e., those who came before the Wahhabis, like the Khawarij or other innovators, had this sign.
As-Sayyid 'Abdur-Rahman al-Ahdal, the Mufti of Zabid, used to say: "There is no need for writing against the Wahhabis. For, in refuting them, it is sufficient to mention the hadith of the Nabi, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam: <<Their sign is shaving their heads>> since no other innovators had ever done it."
It happened once that a women made her point against Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab when they compelled her to follow them and she did. He ordered her to shave her head. She told him: "Since you order the woman to shave her head, you have to order the man to shave his beard. The hair of the women is her decoration and the decoration of the man is his beard." Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab could not answer her.
Among of what the Wahhabis used to do was to prevent the people from asking the Nabi, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, for his intercession--although the hadiths about the Nabi’s intercession are numerous and are of the mutawatir{30} classification. Most of his intercession is for the Muslims of his nation who committed major sins. The Wahhabis also prohibited Muslims from reading Dala’il-ul-Khayrat--which includes saying as-Salat on the Nabi and mentioning many of the Nabi’s complete descriptions. They said this is blasphemy. They also prevented Muslims from saying as-Salat on the Nabi on the minarets after the Adhan. Once a righteous blind Muslim was calling Adhan and said as-Salat on the Nabi after the Adhan{31}. The Wahhabis brought him to Ibn 'Abdul-Wahhab who ordered his execution.
If I [the author] was to pursue the mischievous things the Wahhabis did, I would fill notebooks and lots of papers. However, what has been mentioned thus far is enough.
Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, knows best
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
09-04-2007, 04:01 PM
Very usefull articles to see who really did let fall the Utman Impire and Khalifa.
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/dogs.html
These deviants get their so-called "ijtiahds" from deviants such as Al-Albani, Bin Baz, al-Jaza'iri, Mashhur Salman, Abu Aminah Bilal Philips, Mr. Uthaymeen, all of these Khawarij trace back to the payroll of the Saudi clan in Arabia. The chain of their so-called knowledge, and their false love of religion traces back to a dajjal who went by the name of Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhab, who was a man sponsered, educated, paid, and helped by the British to eradicate the Uthmani (a.k.a. Ottoman) empire, as well as the rest of the Muslim 'Ummah from within
ozgur,
how do you know that this article is useful. Did you make sufficient research about that? Did you discuss its credibility with knowledgeable Muslims about its credibility? The shaikh's that the web site is attacking are known and respected ulema. Why do you post here whatever you find and "like" on the web! Maybe that web site is trying to cause divisionism amongs Muslims and damage the attitude of some of the respected ulema..
PS. Btw, your posts are off topic. Here, we're trying to discuss and reveal that jews and freemasons, actually, founded the so called secular republic in Anatolia..
wa's salam
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
01-08-2008, 05:22 AM
salaam alaikum everybody,
this is an excellent documentary, I wanted to share with you.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9lOZMvzq4_k/default.jpg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9lOZMvzq4_k)
TruthHood
03-08-2008, 12:02 AM
:salam:
This is much more than Turkey, Saudi America, Palenstine and the rest of our islamic nations under freemasonic rule covertly. I pray for my brothers and sisters that they may open their eyes to the evil. May Allah curse Shaytain, his friends and worshippers.
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
24-08-2008, 02:33 AM
Source: The Literary Digest (a news journal published in USA)
October 14, 1922, page: 50
A Spanish Jew by ancestry, an orthodox Moslem by birth and breeding, trained in a German war college, a patriot, a student of the campaigns of the world's great generals, including Napoleon, Grant and Lee - these are said to be a few outstanding characteristics in the personality of the new "Man on Horseback" who has appeared in the Near East. He is a real dictator, the correspondents testify, a man of the type which is at once the hope and fear of nations torn to pieces by unsuccessful wars. Unity and power have come back to Turkey largely through the will of Mustafa Kemal Pasha.
...
There was the pasha himself, tall, still young, good-looking, narrow-hipped, wide-shouldered, with gray, rather sad eyes that spoke eloquently of his Spanish-Jewish ancestry - for Kemal, like Enver Pasha, tho an orthodox Moslem, is descended from those Spanish-Jewish families that, given by Christianity the tolerant choice between death, conversion and exile, found asylum and happiness in the Sultan's domains - and with strong, high-veined hands, broad and flat across the wrist - the hands of an artist, a dreamer, yet, too, those of a doer, a man who knows how to clout his dreams into facts.
http://m-kemal.blogspot.com
http://secretjews.wordpress.com
http://hakikatperver.wordpress.com
inq2008
30-08-2008, 01:42 AM
the link from israeli forum only points out that its a conspiracy theory and most likely not true that Ata Turk had some jewish ancestors. also per the post it seems turkish members agreed that it would not diminish his greatness in their eyes!
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
30-08-2008, 04:09 AM
the link from israeli forum only points out that its a conspiracy theory and most likely not true that Ata Turk had some jewish ancestors. also per the post it seems turkish members agreed that it would not diminish his greatness in their eyes!
can you tell us how the link from israeli forum points out that it is a conspiracy theory?
this thread is not whether to increase or diminish his character.. this thread is about history.
http://atajew.com
MujahidAbdullah
30-08-2008, 04:25 AM
No doubt Ata Turk was a bad guy, but it does sound like a conspirecy, we cant blame all our problems on Jews.
(and it doesent sound like a purely Historical post when under your name you have banners that read "TRUTH ABOUT BRITISH AGENT JEWISH DICTATOR MUSTAFA KAMEL EXPOSED")
Dont get me wrong, I hate Ata turk, but I would like to see a thread on why Ata Turk even gained a following in Turkey at all. After all a large number of people made it possibble for him to secularize Turkey and they cant ALL be jews.
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
30-08-2008, 04:29 AM
No doubt Ata Turk was a bad guy, but it does sound like a conspirecy, we cant blame all our problems on Jews.
Dont get me wrong, I hate Ata turk, but I would like to see a thread on why Ata Turk even gained a following in Turkey at all. After all a large number of people made it possibble for him to secularize Turkey and they cant ALL be jews.
no one is blaming the Jews for all our problems. the posts have their citations.
inq2008
30-08-2008, 04:39 AM
The link to site www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=8492&page=1
posted by another member in earlier posting is what I commented on.
It is certainly not historical. It is discussing about an article (no longer there apparently!) on some armenian forum about possible jewish ancestry of AtaTurk.
I read the entire forum and there in no definite proof of anything historical except that its a possiblity, but again there is no proof.
It sounds like conspiracy theory. Read the entire post on that forum. That is the sense I get. Its theory and speculation.
Also some members on that forum allude to the fact that this article was on armenian forum and hence some bias to discredit Ataturk.
(I am not commenting on Ataturk's greatness or lack thereof! I am only concerned with this particular link and that it seems like conspiracy theory.)
MujahidAbdullah
30-08-2008, 05:20 AM
This whole subject is pointless, and conspiratorial. If you want to demonize Ata Turk just list the things which are firmly recorded in history. This will show what a horrible person he was.
This is the same thing the Jews do to Hitler when they say "you know HItler might have had syphilus, of which he got from his cousin"
there is no actual proof of such accusations, but everyone hates him already so who cares to defend him.
On the website a video it clearly says "I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp."
isnt this evidence that he was not a Jew.
And why is does it say "Gay dictator Mustafa Kamel" everywhere, is this just a way to slander him more or is there FIRM evidence he was gay, That seems to be just as realevant as whether or not he was Jewish.
I hate Ata Turk, but let his actions speak for his deviance, let us be intelectually honest here instead of throwing out wild allegations to an already horrible man
(PS I also heard Ata Turk ate live Muslim babies every night before he went to bed)
inq2008
30-08-2008, 03:35 PM
I agree that atajew.com website is nothing but slander and libel. Such website lacks any credibility.
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
30-08-2008, 04:53 PM
I agree that atajew.com website is nothing but slander and libel. Such website lacks any credibility.
can you show us where the slander and libel is..
Fatih Sultan Muhammed
30-08-2008, 05:47 PM
On the website a video it clearly says "I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp."
isnt this evidence that he was not a Jew.
No. Masonic dictator Mustafa Kemal was a Doenmeh (Sabbatean) Jew. The doenmeh were "ex-communicated" from the main Jewish community after the failure of Sabbatai Tzwi's proof of being a messiah. Sabbatai Tzwi was a false Jewish messiah who emerged in the Ottoman times. In 17th century when he declared he was messiah, initially, many Jews around the world believed him and thought he will lead them to the promised land. but later he couldn't make any miracles and eventually his movement faded out by time. So, many of his followers turned away from him, but there were still some hundreds who continued to follow him. And of those, some called Doenmeh, outwardly posed as if they are muslims, but they were never Muslims, as they were secretly practicing the "Sabbatai Tzi version" of Judaism. This is why they were, by some historians, called "islamic marranos" because of their similarity to the Secret Jew marranos in Christian Spain.
This was what Mustafa Kemal meant when he said "I'm a descendant of Sabbatai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp." if you read the article here (http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/turkey/ataturkjew-1.htm) in full, that will make more sense..
There is a Doenmeh Jew activist in turkey named Ilgaz Zorlu. He lately published a book and stated that they don't want to hide anymore but be accepted as "Jews."
There are many documents and resources you can find about Doenmeh (or Sabbatean Jews.) Probably one spectacular one is G. Scholem's book about Sabbatai Tzi. The Doenmeh are basically a sect in Judaism that many Jewish authorities, until recently, did not accept them as "Jewish" anymore.
This is absolutely not a conspiracy theory. One who claims this to be a consp. theory, either doesn't know of the Jewish/Muslim history or he is ignorant. There are many documents, and this was common knowledge even to many Turkish Muslims. Some turkish researchers have published books despite the suppression against them.
Truth Must Be Said...
www.Atajew.com (http://atajew.com)
inq2008
30-08-2008, 06:02 PM
Mustafa Kamal was a famous person! The website calls him Gay, there is no proof he was Gay, this website is defaming him so it is Slander (per definition)
Bro that website is not credible. A website that slanders somone is not credible.
MujahidAbdullah
30-08-2008, 11:15 PM
1.) Did Ata Turk ever talk about being a good Muslim or a Muslim at all?
if he expounded his high level of iman, than this accusation of being a Jew would be meritous, Like if it were directed towards ibn Abdul Wahab (that would be an interesting thread)
2.) If he was Muslim, no mater how bad of one, the accusations of him being gay are from a Kafir, therefore it can not be accepted as proof, their word is not accepted according to sharia.
Hence, it is slander to call him gay, unless you can provide testimony from a trustworthy Muslim.
I hope more Turks speak out against the ideas of Ata Turk, but they can not be taken seriously if they throw wild alegations out to discredit him. It will only give the shaytaanic secularists more ammo to discredit Muslims who are trying to revive true Islam in Turkey.
Kashmir_85
15-11-2010, 06:59 PM
Hope mustafe kemal ata shirk is burning in his grave... his the one who helped destyoy the final remnants of the khilafah, and all that stuff about him being religous is nonsense, his wife left him after she found out he was a kufar.
Its even on wikipedia
omerhayat
16-11-2010, 06:58 AM
:salam:
ata turk wasnt islamic at all. If he was, then why was the Azaan instructed to be said in Turkish? Why did he encourage removing hijab? He was a nationalist.
Abu_Tamim
16-11-2010, 07:09 AM
Ataturk was definitely religious. He repeatedly said that Islam is the true religion and that Turkish people should be more religious. He said that without religion a nation can't survive. He said many similar things and established many religious institutions and schools. He always carried the Quran with him and made dua before wars. He doesn't appear to be a disbeliever or "Jew" to me, not in the slightest. I forgot to mention that he spread the Quran tafseer in the Turkish language throughout Turkey. Why on earth would a Jew do that, it wouldn´t make sense at all.
It was the same Ataturk who asked why we should follow an illiterate Bedouin......you know who he means......
Abu_Tamim
16-11-2010, 02:02 PM
Proof please? I'm not an Ataturk fan, but I won't call anybody a kafir unless he/she clearly states their disbelief.
Grey Wolf, Mustafa Kemal: An Intimate Study of a Dictator
H.C. Armstrong, 1934
He was drinking heavily. The drink stimulated him, gave him energy, but increased his irritability. Both in private and public he was sarcastic, brutal and abrupt. He flared up at the least criticism. He cut short all attempts to reason with him. He flew into a passion at the least opposition. He would neither confide in nor co-operate with anyone. When one politician gave him some harmless advice, he roughly told him to get out. When a venerable member of the Cabinet suggested that it was unseemly for Turkish ladies to dance in public, he threw a Koran at him and chased him out of his office with a stick.
p. 241:
"For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik," he said, "and the
interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the
criminal law of Turkey."
"They had decided the form of the constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his
food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife
who produced his children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts, even his
most intimate habits.
"Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing." Possibly it might have suited
tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State.
"God's revelation!" There was no God. That was one of the chains by which the priests and
bad rulers bound the people down.
"A ruler who needs religion to help him rule is a weakling. No weakling should rule.."
And the priests! How he hated them. The lazy, unproductive priests who ate up the
sustenance of the people. He would chase them out of their mosques and monasteries to
work like men.
Religion! He would tear religion from Turkey as one might tear the throttling ivy away to
save a young tree.
p. 243:
Further, it was public knowledge that he was irreligious, broke all the rules of decency, and
scoffed at sacred things. He had chased the Sheikh-ul-Islam, the High Priest of Islam, out of
his office and thrown the Koran after him. He had forced the women in Angora to unveil.
He had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign men and
Christians.
SIRAJ-UD-DEEN
16-11-2010, 03:08 PM
Assalaamu alaikum
Is he was a MUSLIM?........................................... ..........................I have a doubt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Abu_Tamim
16-11-2010, 03:28 PM
Assalaamu alaikum
Is he was a MUSLIM?........................................... ..........................I have a doubt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kemalism/Kamalism = Kufr.
During the leadership of Mustafa Kemal due to the change in global politics, the politics of religion had changed in the Turkish Republic. Mustafa Kemal had been the applicator of the works on worship in the mother tongue (New Islamism=Kemalism) between the years from 1924 until 1934, hence after 1934 as a result of the adoption of the single party governing from important more modern western countries of the era such as Italy and Germany, the Turkish Republic had wrapped itself up with a more totalitarian structure. It has also intensified its works on transforming Kemalism into an ideology and relatively a religion alongside the publication restriction it has hindered different ideas and thoughts.
We could say Kemalism is the work of producing a form of religion or rather an Islam peculiar to the Turkish nation. With a more specific expression Kemalism is the process of “forming the new religion of the Turks” (Ducane Cundioglu, Turkce Kur’an ve Cumhuriyet Ideolojisi, 33)
Mete Tunçay’s formula for this particular change is “The New Islamism=Kemalism” (Hasan Huseyin Ceylan, Din Devlet Iliskileri, II, 154)
With this meaning Kemalism, has pushed aside the Orthodox Islam out of the borders of life and has tried to place it with the religious form of Kemalism along with an understanding of a new Islam shaped with secularism and nationalism. At the end of this time being as an official religion of the state, Kemalism has taken the place of Islam with a secular and national characteristic. Mustafa Kemal cared nothing about God; he was interested in himself and in Turkey. He hated God and made him responsible for Turkey's misfortune. It was God's tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of the Turk. But he knew that God was real to the Turkish peasant, while nationalism meant nothing. He decided, therefore, to drift God into his service as the publicity director of his national cause. Through God's aid, his people must cease to be Mohammedans and become Turks. Then, after God had served Mustafa Kemal's purpose, he could be discarded.(Emil Lengyel, Turkey, p. 134.1941, Random House)
Kashmir_85
16-11-2010, 04:55 PM
But then again, its no good calling him kufr, look at the rulers we have today in Pak and Bangla.
You have corrupt shia running Pak, and A Hindu running Bangalis. (Yes, Hasina is not Muslim )
WSALAM
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