sunni forum is just full of criticism

[anti-bid'ah]

why is it that sunni forum is just full of critcisng others and 'ulamaa. I think there is a great need to remember that there were differences in 'Ulamaa since the beginning of time but they did not go around slandering and critcisng others but focused on their own faults !!!!!!

[anti-bid'ah]

The Ten Principles of Hassan al-Banna

1.) The Unity of the Ummah. He considered it in itself a primary and important goal that we must strive for. "Do no disagree, then you fail and lose the wind (in your tail."

2.) The Agreement on Principal Matters. Such that we start by considering everyone who declares shahadah - La ilah illaAllah, Muhammad arrusulAllah - as our companion and part of the Muslim group.

3.) Assume First that You, Not Your Muslim Brother, May be Wrong. And see how you find the truth impartially.

4.) The Manners for Disagreement. That you should be as keen about listening to your brother's evidence and argument as you are about giving your evidence and argument, and be pleasant and smiling whether the result is for you or against you.

5.) Avoiding Arguing, Self-Righteousness, and Belittling of Others. Al Banna said: "No nation went astray after being guided, except after it fell to cursing and arguing." And: "He will have a place in Heaven that leaves arguing when he is wrong, and a higher place in Heaven if he leaves arguing when he is right."

6.) The Possibility of Mulitiple Correct Answers. He referred to the Prophet telling the sahabah to pray Asr in Bani Quraiza, how some of them prayed Asr when it's time came, while others prayed it when they reached Bani Quraiza after sundown, and how the Prophet praised both parties.

7.) The Group Participation in Agreed Upon Matters and to Excuse One Another in What is Disagreed Upon. He emphasized, "We all agree on prohibiting alcohol, adultery, and gambling, and we agree on the duty to govern according to Quran so let us invite governments to implement it; we agree that honor and respect are due to Muslims, so let us impart these ideals to Muslims, we agree that jihad is the means to accomplish honor so let us train the individual, and to raise children with the necessary spiritual and physical training."

8.) Thinking of the Danger of the Common Adversary. He reminded Muslims of the present external enemies who do not differentiate between Muslims or different views or different national origin. The enemy considers Muslims enemies of his religion, and their homelands a prize to be dominated for its resources. He emphasized the need for unity to deter aggression.

9.) Opening the Avenues for Work and Productivity. He recognized the duel purpose of working hard, to produce more and to stay free from the evil of idleness. He encouraged members to excel in schools and jobs, and to seek earning from lawful sources and to shun laziness and dependence on others. He encouraged them to fill in duties that others have not even identified, such as visiting brothers far and near, volunteerism, and to allow time each day for examining how they have done for the sake of Allah.

10.) Sympathy for Those Who Do Not See the Light. Rather than being angry with them or exposing their shortcomings. He never attacked his accusers or distractors on personal matter, but rather sought Allah's help in making His message clearer to those who were listening

[Muawiyah]

The sunni forum is not full of criticism, only the " Debates and In-depth Islam" section is full of criticism

[Mossy]

The sunni forum is not full of criticism, only the " Debates and In-depth Islam" section is full of criticism

"Knowledge of issues recommended. User discretion advised."

There's always the report post button..

[Katsa]

Salam...
There is no criticism on sunniforum...
Criticism lies when the anti islam organisations and groups uses the false Narrations and quotes of the respected ulama in their own side...
Hence to say sunniforum has this category full of criticism is not justice...



The sunni forum is not full of criticism, only the " Debates and In-depth Islam" section is full of criticism


This is not a good statement mr...
You must be a well educated man...
And must speak before you write...
Insh Allah coming soon...

[UmmIbrahimIsa]

assalamu alaikum wr wb

if you think this forum is full of criticism..go check out
http://www.netmuslims.com where tons of young crowd of ppl who think its ok to follow all 4 and anyone that follows 1 is in the wrong...
And they pick Ramadan of all the months to pick and fight about...
:rolleyes:

[Muawiyah]

I don't think criticism is necessarily wrong. Some types of criticism are waajib `alal-kifayah. I personally think that the waajib is not being performed as it should be performed.

[haqq]

I don't think criticism is necessarily wrong. Some types of criticism are waajib `alal-kifayah. I personally think that the waajib is not being performed as it should be performed.

Excellent point and 100% accurate.

However, criticism and refutation should be left in the hands of the Ulama, who have higher knowledge.

Was-salaam,
haqq

[saq333]

why is it that sunni forum is just full of critcisng others and 'ulamaa. I think there is a great need to remember that there were differences in 'Ulamaa since the beginning of time but they did not go around slandering and critcisng others but focused on their own faults !!!!!!

AssalamuAlaikum,

I agree with you here brother.
and its more than just the in-depth debates section.

[Mossy]

Br. ~s, kalam isn't idle talk and I don't believe that those quotes refer to it - more towards theological disputation as arised during the time of the muatazila etc.. What's "fulan" btw?

I would remind all users once more to make use of the report button when they see a post that contravenes sunniforum rules. Contrary to popular opinion, moderators do have lives (narf) outside of sunniforum and thus are unable to view every post/discussion.

Ultimately it is the members of the forum who shape the course it takes, the same as any community.

There will be bad, there will be good - it is up to you to decide in which direction you wish to help it go.

Remember that.

[UmmIbrahimIsa]

I would remind all users once more to make use of the report button when they see a post that contravenes sunniforum rules. Contrary to popular opinion, moderators do have lives (narf) outside of sunniforum and thus are unable to view every post/discussion.
Remember that.


Assalamu alaikum wr wb

That is true... Moderators cannot be on 24/7 and people cannot expect them to be on 24/7. Especially now that it's Ramadan, we have lives off the net too to look after.... so dont take it as offense or that we're ignoring you if we dont get back to you promptly, but we'll take care of it whenever we're available...as soon as we can insha'Allah.

[Mossy]

:jazak:Bro. Mossy, maybe it's just frustration that sets in my heart when the constant bickering about so and so isn't following the path of salafus saalih. Or such and such is a mubtadi/slash evil scholar, I guess it's just best to just keep quiet.

Or you could report such occurences if they contravene the rules so we can look at them in more depth?

Community participation people, community participation ;)

I'm pretty sure that those quotes weren't with reference to that - there's a whole seperate set of analysis with regards to "idle talks" and useless disputation.. Those are pretty specific.. Still, the scholarly folk will know better than me.

[GenN]

Assalmu alaykum,

if the scholars of old did not criticise, the mutazilah, the kwarij, the jahmiyyah, the shia, the murjih and all other sects, then who knows how bad the status of the ummah would have been today.

It is of vital importance that, when possible and in a repectable manner deviant sects like salafis and modernists are criticsed, and there mistakes highlighted.

[Abdur_Rahman]

Assalmu alaykum,

if the scholars of old did not criticise, the mutazilah, the kwarij, the jahmiyyah, the shia, the murjih and all other sects, then who knows how bad the status of the ummah would have been today.

Na'am exactly, but when individuals like the laymen try to delve into matters then everyone wants to be an alim, don't you agree ;)

Like I stated, it was frustration on my part GenN. :insh: I'll leave it @ best. I'm just one of the rank and file muslims and I'll continue to focus on trying to better myself. :insh: .

[GenN]

Na'am exactly, but when individuals like the laymen try to delve into matters then everyone wants to be an alim, don't you agree ;)

Like I stated, it was frustration on my part GenN. :insh: I'll leave it @ best. I'm just one of the rank and file muslims and I'll continue to focus on trying to better myself. :insh: .


of course, i totally agree. However the laypeople spread the messages of the scholars and their warnings against the deviants. There is no point a scholar criticises and warns against a deviant sect, and the messaeg is not spread so no one hears about it.

However i personally hate getting into these arguments and like you i also prefer to work on my fazail. However due to the high amount of salafis online i always somehow end up gettting involved, and offline, due to being an ex member of ht and al muhajiroun, i still see them boys a lot so inevitably end up getting involved.

[Abdur_Rahman]

of course, i totally agree. However the laypeople spread the messages of the scholars and their warnings against the deviants. There is no point a scholar criticises and warns against a deviant sect, and the messaeg is not spread so no one hears about it.

However i personally hate getting into these arguments and like you i also prefer to work on my fazail. However due to the high amount of salafis online i always somehow end up gettting involved, and offline, due to being an ex member of ht and al muhajiroun, i still see them boys a lot so inevitably end up getting involved.

:alhamd:

GenN, as I advice myself,wife, and kids about being patient with one another in all facets of the deen. I've dealt with various muslims who are quick to label everyone and yet do the 'exact' opposite of what they're calling to. In this aspect this type of people go to extreme and don't use the hikmah whatsoever in dealing with one another. I remember when, you would here brothers and sister making statement of how the muslims should purge their library to get rid of the books of the mubtadi and such. At first I did get caught up in it, but then :alhamd: I realize to further analyze these particular people that I'm dealing with. Because so an so says something and everyone is soo caught up in the personality game, these individuals fall into the 'TAQLID' without what is really going on.

GenN don't get me wrong the salafi's that I've dealt with have truly changed their stance on certain matters and letting the ulema handle those type of arguments, and just staying away from the kalam. Also I've dealt with other 'jihadi salafi' who felt like I don't fit their agenda in not pronouncing takfir on the whole society, and that I keep a blind eye on the matter (I'm label as being passive and not holding on to the dawah of the salaf). Also dealing with individuals who take an alim word for 'everything' and not looking @ other scenarios (now that is scary). One brother I spoke with stated a particular alim stated that Eid gifts were imitating the kufar, and yet I went with another opinion of another scholar who resides in Jeddah and he stated that it was o.k. to do it, and then I'm taking that approach and yet I just remained silent, in not getting into any unwanted debates of why such and such is right or wrong.

It hurts my heart to see the muslims not being patient with others and not being 'balanced' in affairs,
may Allah aza wajjal help us to become better and just in this deen.
Ameen

asalamu alaikum wa rahma tullahi wa baraktu