From Al-Azhar to Deoband

[Goldi]

Al Azhar University, the world's largest madrassa located in Cairo, defers to scholarship at the Darul Uloom, which is only second in size. For years, Al Azhar sent its scholars to Deoband for higher studies, especially in the area of fatwa or edicts.

this is an excerpt from this (http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CL12Df01.html) article.

Who has more info on this?

[Goldi]

Anyone?

[mujahideenryder]

With 30,000 unofficial Darul-Uloom branches across India and its graduates opening new madrassa and preaching at mosques in Saudi Arabia, Britain, the United States and South Africa, the 50-year old scholar is confident that the Deobandi talim (knowledge) will soon spread globally.

deobandis in saudi? !! Allah hu Akbar
but wait how does saudi-salafi regime allow this?

[rehanali]

With 30,000 unofficial Darul-Uloom branches across India and its graduates opening new madrassa and preaching at mosques in Saudi Arabia, Britain, the United States and South Africa, the 50-year old scholar is confident that the Deobandi talim (knowledge) will soon spread globally.

deobandis in saudi? !! Allah hu Akbar
but wait how does saudi-salafi regime allow this?
[QUOTE]ya i am also thinking about this, but they saudis r good people and they r also better then al-azhar people because alzhar wallas r now gone secular and that is confirmed by thier edict on riba. and i am saying by reading thier fatwah on ribah and they r labelled as secular by great deobandi mufti,Mufti Taqi Usmani ,one of the biggest mufti of Deobandi. by the way Eid Mubarak to all muslimeen and muslimaat. salam. [snip]

[hamood]

they r labelled as secular by great deobandi mufti,Mufti Taqi Usmani ,one of the biggest mufti of Deobandi.

Really? Can you provide references?

Jazakallah.

[rehanali]

Really? Can you provide references?

Jazakallah.Al-Azhar Fatwa Declaring Interest Permissible

By Mufti Taqi Usmani
Posted: 25 Ramadan 1423, 30 November 2002


:salam:
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Q.) There are media reports of a new Al Azhar declaration on Interest. This poses a serious dilemma for us in the West and your guidance is needed as to how we should deal with it. [Abdul Hai Patel]

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A.) I have not yet seen the text of so-called Fatwa issued by Majma-ul-Bahoos of Al-Azhar of Egypt. What I have seen is the press reports that have appeared in different newspapers and magazines which have reported that Majma-ul-Bahoos has allowed fixed interest by a resolution adopted by it with a majority of 20 to 1. The following points may be kept in view about this resolution:

1. Majma-ul-Bahoos, at present, does not comprise of very competent scholars of Shariah. There was a time when this institution was regarded as the most prestigious research institute with regard to Shariah and great scholars from all over the world used to attend its meetings. At that point of time this very institute had issued a detailed resolution about the prohibition of bank interest which was adopted unanimously by the personalities not less than Sheikh Abu Zahra, Hassanain Makhloof, Mustafa Zarqa etc. At present no one of that caliber is available in this institution.

2. It is well known that Sheikh Tantavi had issued his opinion about the permissibility of bank interest as a Mufti of Egypt after which he was elevated by the government to the post of Sheikh of Al-Azhar. His views were forcefully rejected and refuted by the Shariah scholars throughout the world and he was condemned by them for the Fatwa issued by him in this regard. It seems that the same Sheikh Tantavi has somehow managed to get this resolution issued by the Majma-ul-Bahoos which has at present has no outstanding scholars in it.

3. The importance in Shariah is always of the evidence produced from the Qur'an and Sunnah and not from the individual opinion expressed by some scholars. Since all the noteworthy Shariah Scholars have declared the bank interest as Riba and prohibited by Qur'an. This scanty opinions expressed by some unknown persons cannot contradict the position taken by the Ummah throughouht hte centuries. i think that`s enough of my reply broyher,Eid Mubarak

[Muawiyah]

there's Madrassah Sawlatiyah (http://www.alsawlatiyah.com/) in Makkah Mukarramah founded by Hadhrat Maulana Rahmatullah Keeranwi rahimahullah sahib إظهار الحق (http://www.al-eman.com/Islamlib/viewchp.asp?BID=366&CID=1). The Madrassah was founded before Aal Saud gained control of the haramayn sharifayn.

[Shaykhs-Pir Sahib]

as salamu alaykum

while i do appreciate 'institutional' islam, and classical centres such as al-azhar, qairawan in morocco, and the dar ul-ulums of the world... lets not forget the value of traditional scholarship in traditional settings - there are great ulama from the around the world who spent only fractions of their education in such places... the rest of their ilm was obtained directly via transmission from other ulama.

i am not attacking the 'university way', although there is definitely more baraka and benefit sitting in with a Shaykh on a more personal interaction...

regarding al-azhar, over the last century the ulama of azhar have been criticised for their pro-government stance and 'stagnation' when it came to response to colonialists and colonialism. if you read about Imam Hasan al-Banna, you can find out more... there have been some great alim's from there, but recently, most of the ulama are pro-government, and stand to satisfy their requirements, not the requirements of Islam...

without a doubt there is ilm there.... but speaking to brothers who have studied there, there are several 'issues' which ar troublesome.

i respect the way the deobandi's have preserved and transmit the ilm... and all due respect to the dar al-ulum's.... its a shame its only hanafi fiqh and maturidi aqida :(

Hadith studies is very strong in the asian sub-continent also... and attracts arab students and shuyukh without a doubt.

[hamood]

Al-Azhar Fatwa Declaring Interest Permissible

By Mufti Taqi Usmani
Posted: 25 Ramadan 1423, 30 November 2002


:salam:
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Q.) There are media reports of a new Al Azhar declaration on Interest. This poses a serious dilemma for us in the West and your guidance is needed as to how we should deal with it. [Abdul Hai Patel]

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A.) I have not yet seen the text of so-called Fatwa issued by Majma-ul-Bahoos of Al-Azhar of Egypt. What I have seen is the press reports that have appeared in different newspapers and magazines which have reported that Majma-ul-Bahoos has allowed fixed interest by a resolution adopted by it with a majority of 20 to 1. The following points may be kept in view about this resolution:

1. Majma-ul-Bahoos, at present, does not comprise of very competent scholars of Shariah. There was a time when this institution was regarded as the most prestigious research institute with regard to Shariah and great scholars from all over the world used to attend its meetings. At that point of time this very institute had issued a detailed resolution about the prohibition of bank interest which was adopted unanimously by the personalities not less than Sheikh Abu Zahra, Hassanain Makhloof, Mustafa Zarqa etc. At present no one of that caliber is available in this institution.

2. It is well known that Sheikh Tantavi had issued his opinion about the permissibility of bank interest as a Mufti of Egypt after which he was elevated by the government to the post of Sheikh of Al-Azhar. His views were forcefully rejected and refuted by the Shariah scholars throughout the world and he was condemned by them for the Fatwa issued by him in this regard. It seems that the same Sheikh Tantavi has somehow managed to get this resolution issued by the Majma-ul-Bahoos which has at present has no outstanding scholars in it.

3. The importance in Shariah is always of the evidence produced from the Qur'an and Sunnah and not from the individual opinion expressed by some scholars. Since all the noteworthy Shariah Scholars have declared the bank interest as Riba and prohibited by Qur'an. This scanty opinions expressed by some unknown persons cannot contradict the position taken by the Ummah throughouht hte centuries. i think that`s enough of my reply broyher,Eid Mubarak

I know this fatwa very well. I was asking about references to your cliam that Mufti Taqi labelled them secular. Please don't make up stories.

[Mossy]

I know this fatwa very well. I was asking about references to your cliam that Mufti Taqi labelled them secular. Please don't make up stories.

Now now, be nice and don't inflame :)

But yeah, that piece just indicates he thinks the current batch of scholars ain't that great in scholarly terms, not that they're secularised necessarily..

[hamood]

But yeah, that piece just indicates he thinks the current batch of scholars ain't that great in scholarly terms, not that they're secularised necessarily..

I agree. I find it very hard to belive Mufti Taqi Usmani would label Azhar schoalrs to be secular therefore it didn't seem like what the brother was saying was accurate. Sorry, didn't mean to fire up things. :cheesygri

[GenN]

Assalmu alaykum,

i could have sworn somewhere in the past i have come across a hadith that goes along the lines of (addressing the arabs of course)

"a time will come will al-hind (india) will teach you Islam, just as you will first teach them"

If someone comes across it please post it here.

So if tha was sahaih and i can find it again, don't be to suprised at the scholarship superirority of deoband over most others these days.

[abdul518ca]

They teach ALL 4 Madhabis, and the 2 Aqidas, but the importance is laid on the Hanafi madhab and Maturidi Aqidah.

Mufti-Azam-Pakistan, Mufti Shafi Uthmani(RA), the father of Mufti Taqi Uthmani was an Asha'ri I think. :p

[Hypermodestmuslima]

Isn't the Maulana Muhammad Makki given permission to speak at the Haram? I don't know if he's a Deobandi scholar, but he follows the Shafi'i Madhab. I don't know about that, but the Madrisa's I attended had most of the students following SHafi'i and Hanafi madhabs. THus emphasis was laid on the two.

[haqq]

Isn't the Maulana Muhammad Makki given permission to speak at the Haram? I don't know if he's a Deobandi scholar, but he follows the Shafi'i Madhab. I don't know about that, but the Madrisa's I attended had most of the students following SHafi'i and Hanafi madhabs. THus emphasis was laid on the two.

Maulana Kheir Muhammad Makki al-Hijazi is a Hanafi Scholar.

[iqadeer]

I believe he is the son of Mawlana Khayr Muhammad, who was spiritually linked to Hadhrat Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanavi Rahimullah. Mawlana Khayr Muhammad founded a large madrasah, Khairulmadaris in Multan, Pakistan.

http://www.khairulmadaris.com.pk/index.html

[rehanali]

I believe he is the son of Mawlana Khayr Muhammad, who was spiritually linked to Hadhrat Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanavi Rahimullah. Mawlana Khayr Muhammad founded a large madrasah, Khairulmadaris in Multan, Pakistan.

http://www.khairulmadaris.com.pk/index.html
if u talking about Mufti Taqi Usmani, then bro u r wrong he is the son of Mufti-e-Azam of Pakistan Mufti Shafi Usmani(Late)

[A D I D A S]

Bro Genn I have come across a hadeeth a bit like that too. I dont know if its saheeh/qawi or dha'eef.
Cant remember the exact words though.

[GenN]

Bro Genn I have come across a hadeeth a bit like that too. I dont know if its saheeh/qawi or dha'eef.
Cant remember the exact words though.


Alhamdullillah. I have posted about this hadith a few times but no one seems to have heard it, but atleast now theres a glimmer of hope that i hadn't just dreamed it. Could you try and dig it up sister, as you probably have access to more and better resources than me?