A Problem while i try to gain Knowledge about Islam

[hamdusa]

Muslims say, "Iyaka Nabodo va iyaka nastaeen".
Its copied from Qurran para1 3rd Aayah.
Meaning "Ham tairi hi Ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain".

It is a pray of Muslim. All the muslims agree to this but there is something wrong, not with this verse but with Muslims, because Muslims dont do what hey say. Reason is below

I am going to share my thoughts with you in Urdu language. and i expect an answer in Urdu.

Is aayat ko Allah taala nay muslims ki dua ki tarha introduce kervaya hay.
Muslims kahtay hain k ham Allah ki hi Ibadat kertay hain oor us hi say madad mangtay hain. It is a rule and must be followed in order to become a Muslim. But actually it is not the case. Almost all the Muslims do voilate this rule. HOW???

Muslims say Ya Ali Madad!!!!!!!!!!! What is this?
Musalmanoon ko sikhaya jata hay k jab bhi badal garajtay hain oor bijli karrakti hay to "Ya Baba Freed Shakar Gang!!"!!!!! What is this????????
Muslims say "Ya Rasul Allah" and directly call Prophet (PBUH). Muslims directly say prayers and directly beg from Prophet (PBUH). What is this???? (Before rejecting it, please look around and then answer. It is actually happening. If you dont find it happening you have to dive into the words of preys of Muslims and specially the preys of Khateeb-e-Masjid).



The knowledge i have about Islam is that Qurran is the main source of Islam and then here comes Hadith and then Ulmah and personal thinking.

I have raised this question by giving the reference from Qurran so you have to find another reference from Qurran to counter my Observations.
Please answer my questions in Urdu.
Please if you answer here, countinuously visit this thread so that you can read my replies to your answers.


Thank You in Advance if you resolve my this problem then i will ask another Pinching Question in another Thread.

[hamdusa]

Why doesnt anyone answer these questions? These are basics of Islam and if i was expecting dozens of answers from all of you.

[Muaz bin jabal]

bro what i think ur talking about is tawassul and it has its rules and stuff, so go on sunnipath.com and type in tawassul and inshallah u can get ur answers. If not then u can go to darulifta-deoband.com and they can answer u in urdu inshallah.
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[AbulAsad]

As salamu Alykum brother Hamdusa,
My urdu is not good but lets try, jaisa ki aapka sawal hai ki kuch musalmaan dua mangte waqt Allah ta'Aala ki jagah apne peer, wali ka naam lete hai to ispe mera ilm ye hai ki jo log apne peer or wali ke wasile se Allah se mangte hai to wo gunah nahi hai kyuki unhone Allah ki sabse nazdeek logo ko Allah tak pahuchne ka wasila banaya hai, par wo log jo ye samjthe hai ki unke peer ya wali unki har taqleef dur kar denge to ye shirk gunah hai, beshaq Allah hi hai jo sabse bada hai azeem hai aur har taqleef ko dur karne wala hai, aur Allah ki siwaay koi nahi. Par hum unka ehsaan mante hai jo hume Allah tak pahuchne ka rasta batate hai aur unke wasile se Allah khush hote hai aur inshaAllah apne bande ki taqleefon ko dur karte hai.
was salam.

[hamdusa]

As Salam O Alaikum!!!

Hello Abul Asad Bhai!!!

You said k vo log Peeon ko ALlah tak pohanchnay ka vasela bnatay hain. But i think this attitute is wrong too.

Allah Taala nay farmaya k main tumhari ShahRag say b Zyada kreeb hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k jab maira koi banda mairi taraf aik kadam bharta hay to main us ki taraf 10 qadam barhta hon agar vo chal k aata hay to main dorr k aata hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k "Iyaka Naabodo va Iyaka Nastaeen", "Ham Tairi hi ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain"


Mujhay yah Samajh nahe lagti k musalman tamam logoon ko aik aam insan treat q nahe kertay. Hamnay yah Q samajh liya hay k Allah ki bargah main hamari directly nahe suni jaeay gi???

Us Allah ko yah manzoor nahe k us k banday us k ilava kisi oor ki taraf jhukain. Kisi or sa rajoo karain, so, hamain b apna Attitude change kerna ho ga.

Please aap mairi bat ko ghoor say parhain or btaein k mairi bat main kiya ghalti hay jo isay tasleem nahe kiya ja raha. Yakeen karain k agar yahi baat koi Imam Masjid Speaker per kharra ho ker kah day to her koi tasleem ker lay.
Hamain apni akbat k baray main khud sochna ho ga, koi molvi, peer, koi b hmari Akhrat sunvar nahe sakta. Han aik hasti hay jo k hamari Shah Rag say b kareeb hay or usnay kabhi b yah nahe kaha k main khas khas bandoon ki hi sunta hon.


Main aap kay jawab ka shidat say intazar ker raha hon. OOr please agar koi samajhta hay k mairi bat sahe hay to please yahan post zarur kerain.

Thanks
Hamid Sarfraz

[Ninjas kik high]

Muslims say, "Iyaka Nabodo va iyaka nastaeen".
Its copied from Qurran para1 3rd Aayah.
Meaning "Ham tairi hi Ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain".

It is a pray of Muslim. All the muslims agree to this but there is something wrong, not with this verse but with Muslims, because Muslims dont do what hey say. Reason is below

I am going to share my thoughts with you in Urdu language. and i expect an answer in Urdu.

Is aayat ko Allah taala nay muslims ki dua ki tarha introduce kervaya hay.
Muslims kahtay hain k ham Allah ki hi Ibadat kertay hain oor us hi say madad mangtay hain. It is a rule and must be followed in order to become a Muslim. But actually it is not the case. Almost all the Muslims do voilate this rule. HOW???

Muslims say Ya Ali Madad!!!!!!!!!!! What is this?
Musalmanoon ko sikhaya jata hay k jab bhi badal garajtay hain oor bijli karrakti hay to "Ya Baba Freed Shakar Gang!!"!!!!! What is this????????
Muslims say "Ya Rasul Allah" and directly call Prophet (PBUH). Muslims directly say prayers and directly beg from Prophet (PBUH). What is this???? (Before rejecting it, please look around and then answer. It is actually happening. If you dont find it happening you have to dive into the words of preys of Muslims and specially the preys of Khateeb-e-Masjid).



The knowledge i have about Islam is that Qurran is the main source of Islam and then here comes Hadith and then Ulmah and personal thinking.

I have raised this question by giving the reference from Qurran so you have to find another reference from Qurran to counter my Observations.
Please answer my questions in Urdu.
Please if you answer here, countinuously visit this thread so that you can read my replies to your answers.


Thank You in Advance if you resolve my this problem then i will ask another Pinching Question in another Thread.

hmm i hope Allah swt helps u in gaining knowlege ameen ,and i dont noe urdu but i noe wat u are talkin about ..

[Skilly]

Muslims say Ya Ali Madad!!!!!!!!!!! What is this?
Musalmanoon ko sikhaya jata hay k jab bhi badal garajtay hain oor bijli karrakti hay to "Ya Baba Freed Shakar Gang!!"!!!!! What is this????????
Muslims say "Ya Rasul Allah" and directly call Prophet (PBUH). Muslims directly say prayers and directly beg from Prophet (PBUH). What is this???? (Before rejecting it, please look around and then answer. It is actually happening. If you dont find it happening you have to dive into the words of preys of Muslims and specially the preys of Khateeb-e-Masjid).



Assalamu alaikum wr wb

Yeah, you noticed.

Those who call upon the dead directly to respond are Crazy (Phagol).

Whoever does this stuff are not clearly on the right path. They must be blind to all the verses in the Quran telling them to call upon non but Allah(swt).

I hope that helps.

[abuhajira]

As Salam O Alaikum!!!

Hello Abul Asad Bhai!!!

You said k vo log Peeon ko ALlah tak pohanchnay ka vasela bnatay hain. But i think this attitute is wrong too.

Allah Taala nay farmaya k main tumhari ShahRag say b Zyada kreeb hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k jab maira koi banda mairi taraf aik kadam bharta hay to main us ki taraf 10 qadam barhta hon agar vo chal k aata hay to main dorr k aata hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k "Iyaka Naabodo va Iyaka Nastaeen", "Ham Tairi hi ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain"


Mujhay yah Samajh nahe lagti k musalman tamam logoon ko aik aam insan treat q nahe kertay. Hamnay yah Q samajh liya hay k Allah ki bargah main hamari directly nahe suni jaeay gi???

Us Allah ko yah manzoor nahe k us k banday us k ilava kisi oor ki taraf jhukain. Kisi or sa rajoo karain, so, hamain b apna Attitude change kerna ho ga.

Please aap mairi bat ko ghoor say parhain or btaein k mairi bat main kiya ghalti hay jo isay tasleem nahe kiya ja raha. Yakeen karain k agar yahi baat koi Imam Masjid Speaker per kharra ho ker kah day to her koi tasleem ker lay.
Hamain apni akbat k baray main khud sochna ho ga, koi molvi, peer, koi b hmari Akhrat sunvar nahe sakta. Han aik hasti hay jo k hamari Shah Rag say b kareeb hay or usnay kabhi b yah nahe kaha k main khas khas bandoon ki hi sunta hon.


Main aap kay jawab ka shidat say intazar ker raha hon. OOr please agar koi samajhta hay k mairi bat sahe hay to please yahan post zarur kerain.

Thanks
Hamid Sarfraz

:salam:

Baat aapki bilkul bajaa hai, lekin aap ko agar samajhna hai to soch key dairay ko wasee karna hi parega.

1. Allah hi tamam cheezon per qadir hai. Kissi ke bas mein koi qudrat naheen illa ke Allah ne kuch ikhtiyar de rakha ho. Agar Allah chahta to zaroorat hina parti is duniya ki aur is main paida honay wali makhlooq ki, lekin Allah ne paide ki aur un ko ikhtiyar bhi diya keh apni akhrat bana lein. Yeh ikhtiyar to sabh ko diya, jis tarah malak al maut ko ikhtiyar diya ke tu jis ki maut jesay chahe nikaal. (Sayyiduna Moosa a.s ka qissa qabil e ghaur hai jab unhoon ne malak ul maut ko thappar mara). Yahan yeh bhi baat zehen mein rahe keh ikhtiyaar ke ma'ni qudrat ke naheen. Akhir ha ikhtiyaar ke peechay bhi taufeeq Allah hi ki hai. Insan koi ammal apni qudrat se naheen karta.

2. Kher , baat hai waseelay ki.. to is mein asal to yahi hai ke insaan bila waseela mangay. Allah sunta hai har aik ki jo us ko pukarta hai.

3. leking kissi aik chees ka asbaat kisi doosri cheez ki nafi ka mojib naheen hota. Agar bila waseela dua ki fadheelat ho gayee, to is ka matlab ye naheen ke kisi ki sifarish naheen lag sakti. Yahan bhi qabil e ghaur ho ke sifarish se kya muraad hai. Jaisey koi dua kare, "ay Allah zaid tera bohot hi qareeb tareen banda hai, us ka taqwa ham sab main ziyada hai, tu us ki apni taraf qurbat ki badolat mujh per asaani farmaa." Is mein waseela banaya gya zaid ko, aur us ki qurbat ka wasta de kar apni khahish ka zikr kiya.

4. Yeh jo baat kee kisi doosray se mangnay ki, to fi hayaat is ka maqsad wuhi hai jo koi doosra sabab lenay main hai. Allah ne gandam ugaya ke us mein se roti khao, lekin parwarish to Allah ki taraf se hai, to gandam ka khana kiss tarah mufeed ho sakta hai? Issi tarah aik rahi paidal chalta hai aur dua karta hai safar main asani ke liyay aur Ba fadhl e khuda Allah koi waliullah bhaij deta hai, lekin ab agar yeh banda is baat per arr jaye ke mein to gher Allah se madad lena shirk samajhta hoon, to us ka yeh kahna theek na hoga. Allah ke diyay huay asbaab ka inkaar karna rahbaniyat hi hai aur islam main us ki jaga naheen.

5. Issi ki saath aik awe waseela is tarah se hai ke charwaha sunsaan jaga mein pukare "Aye Allah ke ghulamo meri madad ko aao..." Is mein madad Allah se directly naheen mangi balkeh ibaad (ghulaam) ko pukara hai. Is qissam ka tawassul ahadith mein mawjood hai. Agar in ahadith ka inkaar kiya jaye to eimaan ka khatra hai. chand laugh jinhoon ne iss ki abahat ka zikr kya hai woh yeh hain :

# Imam Tabrani r.a in Al Mu’jamul Kabeer. (Vol 10. Pg. 267 & Vol. 17 Pg. 117)
# Imam Abu Yahya in his Masnad (Hadeeth # 5269)
# Imam Ibnus Sunni (Hadeeth # 508)
# Imam Nawawi r.a in Al-Azkaar
# Allama Sakhawi r.a in Al Ibtihaaj (Pg. 61-62)
# Ibn Hajjar Al Haitami r.a in Sharhul Idaah

aur pher Imam Nawawi r.a kaye auroon ka zikr bhi karte hain hatta ke yeh bhi likhtay hain keh unhoon ne khud bhi is ko muassar paya. (Aladhkaar)

Allama Shawkani r.a kehtay hain keh iss main koi mazaiqa naheen, yeh aisey hi hai jesay kissi admi se koi madad chahna (tuhfa tuz zakireen)

Haan lekin Mullah Ali Qari r.a ne aik shart ye bataee hai ke is ke saath yeh aiteqaad har giz na hona chahiyay ke ke pukara jane wala koi makhsoos abd hai, ya pukarey janay wale ke paas imdaad ki koi dhati qudrat hai.

Maulana Ashiq Ilahi r.a ne is ki taudeeh ki hai aur kaha hai keh is se wali ke mukhtar kull walay aqeeday har giz muraad na liyay jayen.

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P.S Some of this info is from Maulana Mohammed Abasoomer's fatwa about Tawassul

[loveProphet]

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Wow, how can you write Urdu in the latin script, its soo difficult and time consuming!

Bhery dehr laghti hay!

[AbulAsad]

Allah Taala nay farmaya k main tumhari ShahRag say b Zyada kreeb hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k jab maira koi banda mairi taraf aik kadam bharta hay to main us ki taraf 10 qadam barhta hon agar vo chal k aata hay to main dorr k aata hon.
Allah Taala nay farmaya k "Iyaka Naabodo va Iyaka Nastaeen", "Ham Tairi hi ibadat kertay hain or tujh hi say madad mangtay hain"
As Salamu Alykum Bro Hamdusa,
Apne bilkul sahi farmaya aur mein aapki har baat se agree karta hu, par mein chahta hu ki aap apne hi likhe hue ko wapas read kare, jesa ki aapne kaha "Agar Allah ka banda Allah ki taraf ek kadam badata hai to Allah uski taraf dus kadam badata hai" mein yaha aapse ye puchna chahta hu ki "ek" kadam Allah ki taraf ka matlab kya hai?
Fir Apne farmaya ki "Agar Allah ka banda Allah ki taraf chal ke aata hai to Allah ta'ala uski taraf dorr ke aate hai" aap Allah ta'ala ki taraf ek kadam kese badathe hai?
Beshaq hum Allah hi ki ibadat karte hai aur wohi(Allah) dene wali jaat hai.
Par bhai hum musalmano ne kuch cheeze apne hi samaj shaur se samaj li hai aur manne lag gaye hai, hume lagta hai ki hum namaz padh rahe hai to Allah ki taraf kadam bada rahe hai, par kya Allah ko aapki namaz kabool hai? humne Apna system bana diya hai aur Allah ka system bhul gaye hai.




:salam:


leking kissi aik chees ka asbaat kisi doosri cheez ki nafi ka mojib naheen hota. Agar bila waseela dua ki fadheelat ho gayee, to is ka matlab ye naheen ke kisi ki sifarish naheen lag sakti. Yahan bhi qabil e ghaur ho ke sifarish se kya muraad hai. Jaisey koi dua kare, "ay Allah zaid tera bohot hi qareeb tareen banda hai, us ka taqwa ham sab main ziyada hai, tu us ki apni taraf qurbat ki badolat mujh per asaani farmaa." Is mein waseela banaya gya zaid ko, aur us ki qurbat ka wasta de kar apni khahish ka zikr kiya.

Jesa ki Abuhajira bhai ne aapko samjane ki koshish ki hai mein inse behtar nahi keh sakta, hum wasila unka mangte hai jinhone Allah ta'ala ki raza ke liye raat bhaar ibadat ki, jo kabhi gunah ke nazdeek tak na aaye, jinhone apni zindagi sirf raza-e-ilahi mein laga di, wo log Allah ta'ala ke mehboob bande hai aur hum to gunahgaar hai fir bhi Allah hi se mangte hai bas wasila unka lete hai jinse Allah zyada khush hai beshaq Allah sab janta hai aur nihayat raham karne wala hai.
was salam.

[hamdusa]

As Salam O ALaikum!!!

@abuhajira
@AbdulAsad

Allah ki taraf aik qadam janay ka matlab Taqva main aik step aagay barhna hay.

Bros! masla yah nahi hay. Masla yah hay k hamain Quran Pak main clearly kaha gya hay k kisi oor say madad nahi mangni. Phir ham is halki si umeed per q chal rahay hain k shaiyad in ahkamat ka yah matlab banta ho (jo aap nay btaya hay).

Daikho Barri Authority k ilava kisi oor say mango gay to ho sakta hay vo Barri Authority Naraaz ho jaeay!!! YOu Agree???
Phir Q Allah k ilava kisi oor say mang k apni Hmaisha ki zindagi ko aag main jhonk diya jaeay.

Kabile ghoor point yah hay k jo but prast butoon ki poja kertay thay asal main vo but prast kahtay thay k ham in butoon ki poja nahe kertay balkay ham imagine kertay hain jaisay yah hi khuda hain oor phir khuda ko apnay samnay samajh ker khuda say mangtay hain. Agar daikha jaeay to khuda say mangnay ka yah treeka bandoon say mangnay say zyada acha hay q k is main kamazkam banda apnay aap ko khuda kay samnay to jhukata hay na!! But Allah taala nay is treekay ko b accept nahe kiya oor Kaba k tamam but torr deay gaeay.

Actually Allah Taala ko yah pasand hi nahe k Allah oor us k banday k darmiyan koi 3rd party aaeay. AB chahay vo koi mitti pather k butt hon ya insan ya chand suraj sitaray Aag etc.


Mainay kaha k siraf Allah say hi mangna chaheay because QUran main b yahi likha hay


"Ham tairi hi ibadat kertay hain oor tujh hi say madad chahtay hain"

oor i know k is Aayat ka yah matlab katae nahe k bacha bhook lagnay per apni man ko na bulaeay. Borhay man bap jo k chalnay phirnay k kabil nahe rahay vo apni oolad ko sahara na bnaeain. In donoon cheezon ko Allah taala nay promote kiya hay. Olaad man bap ki zimadari hay oor Man bap Jawan oolad ki zimay dari hain.

Similarly hamain khidmate-khalak ka hukam diya ahy oor kaha gya hay k zrurat pernay per dosroon ki madad kero.
Yah b kaha gya hay k agar tumharay samnay koi hath phailaeay to usay khali hath na bhaijo.


But yah sab kuch shirak nahe.


Ab dosri taraf daikhtay hain. Koi shakas butto k pass jata hay oor kahta hay k mujhay oolad day dejeay. Ya suppose koi shakas (HUMAN BEING) khudai ka dava kerta hay oor us k pass aik shakas jata hay oor us say oolad mangta hay. Ab us shakas ka us nakli khuda say dua mangna oor pani ka glass mangna, in main bohat farak hay. (Hope you can understand).

Mainay koi special education nahi hasil ki is leay mujhay is difference ko express nahe kerna aa raha but i think mainay samjha dia hay k there are 2 different situations. First 1 is a social behaviour of Human Beings, the second one is Shirak. We have to avoid Shirak and analyse the circumstances when request tends to SHirak and for this we are given a Working Brain. Isi leay Pagal loog oor aisay log jo k kisi aisi halat main hon k un ka damag kam na ker raha ho like Bayhoshi and Kareeb-ul-Marg, un ki kisi ghalti per koi gunah nahi, even unhain namaz b maaf hay. Q? Siraf is wajha say k vo apna acha bura nahi soch saktay, but in all other cases hamain Qadam phonk phonk ker rakhna hay oor mahaz Qyaas Aarai per hi apni akhrat ka soda nahe ker lena chaheay.

[hamdusa]

:salam:

Baat aapki bilkul bajaa hai, lekin aap ko agar samajhna hai to soch key dairay ko wasee karna hi parega.

1. Allah hi tamam cheezon per qadir hai. Kissi ke bas mein koi qudrat naheen illa ke Allah ne kuch ikhtiyar de rakha ho. Agar Allah chahta to zaroorat hina parti is duniya ki aur is main paida honay wali makhlooq ki, lekin Allah ne paide ki aur un ko ikhtiyar bhi diya keh apni akhrat bana lein. Yeh ikhtiyar to sabh ko diya, jis tarah malak al maut ko ikhtiyar diya ke tu jis ki maut jesay chahe nikaal. (Sayyiduna Moosa a.s ka qissa qabil e ghaur hai jab unhoon ne malak ul maut ko thappar mara). Yahan yeh bhi baat zehen mein rahe keh ikhtiyaar ke ma'ni qudrat ke naheen. Akhir ha ikhtiyaar ke peechay bhi taufeeq Allah hi ki hai. Insan koi ammal apni qudrat se naheen karta.

2. Kher , baat hai waseelay ki.. to is mein asal to yahi hai ke insaan bila waseela mangay. Allah sunta hai har aik ki jo us ko pukarta hai.

3. leking kissi aik chees ka asbaat kisi doosri cheez ki nafi ka mojib naheen hota. Agar bila waseela dua ki fadheelat ho gayee, to is ka matlab ye naheen ke kisi ki sifarish naheen lag sakti. Yahan bhi qabil e ghaur ho ke sifarish se kya muraad hai. Jaisey koi dua kare, "ay Allah zaid tera bohot hi qareeb tareen banda hai, us ka taqwa ham sab main ziyada hai, tu us ki apni taraf qurbat ki badolat mujh per asaani farmaa." Is mein waseela banaya gya zaid ko, aur us ki qurbat ka wasta de kar apni khahish ka zikr kiya.

4. Yeh jo baat kee kisi doosray se mangnay ki, to fi hayaat is ka maqsad wuhi hai jo koi doosra sabab lenay main hai. Allah ne gandam ugaya ke us mein se roti khao, lekin parwarish to Allah ki taraf se hai, to gandam ka khana kiss tarah mufeed ho sakta hai? Issi tarah aik rahi paidal chalta hai aur dua karta hai safar main asani ke liyay aur Ba fadhl e khuda Allah koi waliullah bhaij deta hai, lekin ab agar yeh banda is baat per arr jaye ke mein to gher Allah se madad lena shirk samajhta hoon, to us ka yeh kahna theek na hoga. Allah ke diyay huay asbaab ka inkaar karna rahbaniyat hi hai aur islam main us ki jaga naheen.

5. Issi ki saath aik awe waseela is tarah se hai ke charwaha sunsaan jaga mein pukare "Aye Allah ke ghulamo meri madad ko aao..." Is mein madad Allah se directly naheen mangi balkeh ibaad (ghulaam) ko pukara hai. Is qissam ka tawassul ahadith mein mawjood hai. Agar in ahadith ka inkaar kiya jaye to eimaan ka khatra hai. chand laugh jinhoon ne iss ki abahat ka zikr kya hai woh yeh hain :

# Imam Tabrani r.a in Al Mu’jamul Kabeer. (Vol 10. Pg. 267 & Vol. 17 Pg. 117)
# Imam Abu Yahya in his Masnad (Hadeeth # 5269)
# Imam Ibnus Sunni (Hadeeth # 508)
# Imam Nawawi r.a in Al-Azkaar
# Allama Sakhawi r.a in Al Ibtihaaj (Pg. 61-62)
# Ibn Hajjar Al Haitami r.a in Sharhul Idaah

aur pher Imam Nawawi r.a kaye auroon ka zikr bhi karte hain hatta ke yeh bhi likhtay hain keh unhoon ne khud bhi is ko muassar paya. (Aladhkaar)

Allama Shawkani r.a kehtay hain keh iss main koi mazaiqa naheen, yeh aisey hi hai jesay kissi admi se koi madad chahna (tuhfa tuz zakireen)

Haan lekin Mullah Ali Qari r.a ne aik shart ye bataee hai ke is ke saath yeh aiteqaad har giz na hona chahiyay ke ke pukara jane wala koi makhsoos abd hai, ya pukarey janay wale ke paas imdaad ki koi dhati qudrat hai.

Maulana Ashiq Ilahi r.a ne is ki taudeeh ki hai aur kaha hai keh is se wali ke mukhtar kull walay aqeeday har giz muraad na liyay jayen.

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P.S Some of this info is from Maulana Mohammed Abasoomer's fatwa about Tawassul




Ok Do you say k Ya Ali Madad kahnay main b koi burai nahe hay?

read my above post completely.

[Julaybib]

As Salaam Alaykum.

First of all I think you need address this issue in english so that we can all understand, that way you will get more responses, Inshallah, also i think you need to raise this issue with the ulema to get a complete answer afterall, ordinary muslim's like us have very little knowledge on these issues.

[Devoted]

Yeah English please..

[abuhajira]

:salam:

Since you have at couple of places used english, We will discuss it in english. I was under the impression that :

1. you dont know how to speak english.
2. you came here to repel a problem which you face, instead it feels you are looking for an arguement.

Nonetheless,

You yourself have stated :


Mainay koi special education nahi hasil ki is leay mujhay is difference ko express nahe kerna aa raha

- So, then really you cannot formulate an oipnion based on your own understanding. You are not a mujtahid. What we have presented is the view of many many many Ulama.. for past generations as well.. So if you need to bring an daleel, it has to be from a reference.


oor i know k is Aayat ka yah matlab katae nahe k bacha bhook lagnay per apni man ko na bulaeay. Borhay man bap jo k chalnay phirnay k kabil nahe rahay vo apni oolad ko sahara na bnaeain. In donoon cheezon ko Allah taala nay promote kiya hay. Olaad man bap ki zimadari hay oor Man bap Jawan oolad ki zimay dari hain.

You have accepted that Quran says that Allah asks us to only look upto HIM for help. Then you put an exclusion to it regarding a someone asking mother for food. This is wrong. Once you establish something specific from Quran, then you cannot exclude from it without a daleel. You will have to substanciate that If "Iyyaka Nasta'een" is indeed refering to seek help ONLY from Allah.. WHAT daleels did you take to exclude from this "specific ruling" of Quran.

So now that you have established that one may not ask "Isti'anat"(help) of anyone but Allah, then you may not go to school as that is isti'anat from educational system ..rather you should ask Allah to bestow you the education of SAT and BEngg.; You may also not use any kind of tools for your how work as an tool is an "Aala" (means of carrying out actions) and you cannot seek isti'anat from any means but Allah alone. You may Also not speak,walk,see etc as that is Isti'anat of your Nafs from its physical body that will perish with death, and you cannot seek isti'anat from any other body that perishes except the ONE that remains..

These are from Usools of Fiqh.. and my aim for saying above is not rebuke rather to merely let you realize that you cannot interpret quranic injunctions without Usools which you will have to learn from someone.


Similarly hamain khidmate-khalak ka hukam diya ahy oor kaha gya hay k zrurat pernay per dosroon ki madad kero. Yah b kaha gya hay k agar tumharay samnay koi hath phailaeay to usay khali hath na bhaijo.

If you accept the above, then you will also accept that one can only fulfil someones "Sawaal" if the needy asks for that "sawaal". If you are accepting abahat of Sawaal of a begger, and then attributing reward to fulfiling that sawaal, what is stoping you from accepting the abahat of a sawaal in any other case?


Ok Do you say k Ya Ali Madad kahnay main b koi burai nahe hay?

It seems you didnt read my post completely, especially the part which I had marked in RED...

Haan lekin Mullah Ali Qari r.a ne aik shart ye bataee hai ke is ke saath yeh aiteqaad har giz na hona chahiyay ke ke pukara jane wala koi makhsoos abd hai, ya pukarey janay wale ke paas imdaad ki koi dhati qudrat hai.

Maulana Ashiq Ilahi r.a ne is ki taudeeh ki hai aur kaha hai keh is se wali ke mukhtar kull walay aqeeday har giz muraad na liyay jayen.

:ws:

[AbdulQahhar]

:salam:

how does the story with 'Yaa Rasulullah..." end with:

Shirk
Kufr
Mandub
Fard
Sunnah
Makrooh
etc.


I'm not talking about "seeking help from others than Allah here, but only about 'Yaa Rasulullah'...or yaa grande shaikh ABC (as some people are calling their already passed away shaikhs...)".

English pls or else I'll start in Bosnian. :D

[Ya_Rahimo]

Assalamoalaikum hamdusa

Bayshak ham oos khuda ki ibadat kartay hai aur oosi say madad mangtay hain. Lekin aik aur baat, aap nay lafz "waseela" ya "zariya" suna hoga.
Haan to isska matlab yeh hai kay Allah pak nay khud tak pohanchnay kay liye yeh zariya banaya hai kay khuda kay naik logo, khuda kay paghambro, walio kay zariye say ya wasilay say ham khuda kay kareeb pohanch saktay hai.

jaisa kay aapnay Quran pak ka reference dia main bhi aap ko aik reference daiti hoon
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9021/u11bb7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

(in english)
"All who obey Allah and the Apostle
are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah of the Prophets (who teach) the sincere (lovers of truth) the witnesses (who testify) and the righteous (who do good): what a beautiful fellowship!. Sura Nisaa 69 "

After seeing this surah nissa, i hope u will understand what i m saying.

Matlab is surah main kaha gya hai kay jo Allah aur ooskay rasool ki ata at kartay hai woh qyamat kay din un logo kay sath hongay aur unki rafaqat matlab dosti bohat hee khub hai.


i hope it will help u

thanx
Wassalam

[AbdulQahhar]

:ws:

I think you didn't understand me sister, that's not what I asked.
Rasulullah :saw: is not among us physically like he :saw: was with Sahabah.

[Ya_Rahimo]

Assalamoalaikum brother

i replied to the person who posted this topic.

Wassalam

[AbdulQahhar]

Assalamoalaikum brother

i replied to the person who posted this topic.

Wassalam

:ws: no problem sis, my apologies if I sounded too harsh.
It's good to quote other posters so we all know who was it we had in mind.

[Ya_Rahimo]

Assalamoalaikum
its okay brother
Wassalam