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Abu Usama
01-07-2004, 12:58 PM
Salam,

in the hanafi madhab, a man must cover from just below his knees to just above his navel. However, my question is this: how much needs to be covered by the man/men in whose company you are for you not to be sinful for staying in their company?

For example, we cannot expose the knees whilst playing football, but can we play football with others (be they muslims or non-muslims) who do expose the knees?

I ask for clarification. I have heard (from a non0sunni source) that you can stay in the company of those who cover from just above their knees to just below the naval, but i have not read it anywhere as yet.

Wasalam.

Mustafa
01-07-2004, 03:35 PM
wa alaikum as salaam

I don't have the answer, but I just wanted to add another question. It's been a long while since I last watched a football match, but does the 'kit' that modern footballers wear violate the limits of awrah? And, if so, does this mean that it's haraam to watch football matches just based on that?

Wa salam
Your brother in Islam

Murabit
01-07-2004, 06:17 PM
According to the Maliki Madhaab as mentioned in Ibn Ashir's Al Murshid Al Muin that a man's awrah in front of another man should be from the navel to the knees at minimum. The covering includes both the coasre as well as the light nakedness. I dont think it is permissible to be/play with those whose thighs are exposed as that might lead to seeing their awrah, Wallahu Alaam.

Murabit
01-07-2004, 06:21 PM
Taken from Ibn Abi Zayd Al Qayrawani al Maliki's Risala :

41.6b. The thigh

The thigh is a private part, but not an intrinsic private part.

[ What is between the thigh and the hip is a private part. This means it is not an actual private part, and the strictest position that it is disliked to show it with other than close friends and relations is unlikely because the Prophet, had his thigh uncovered with Abu Bakr and 'Umar. In Muslim, 'A'isha reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was reclining in his house with thighs and calves uncovered. Abu Bakr asked for permission to enter and he gave him permission while he was like that. He spoke and then 'Umar asked for permission and he gave him permission while he was like that and he talked with him. Then 'Uthman asked for permission and the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, sat up and straightened his garment. He entered and spoke with him and then left. 'A'isha said, "Abu Bakr entered and you were not concerned. 'Umar entered and you were not concerned, (meaning you did not worry and cover your thighs). Then 'Uthman entered and you sat up and straightened your garment." He said, "Should I not be modest before a man before whom the angels are modest?" Modesty is a virtue.]

Shaykhs-Pir Sahib
01-07-2004, 07:03 PM
as salamu alaykum

true. there is a maliki opinion stating that even the boxer-shorts underwear is permissible.. (in front of other men that is).. Allahu a'lam

Saleel
01-07-2004, 07:59 PM
:salam:

The following may help :insh::



are men allowed to wear shorts?

I am a member of a sports club, which plays indoor games in a gymnasium. Only men are members of this club and hence only men play in the gymnasium at any given time. In this circumstance am I allowed to wear shorts during the course of my play?

According to the Hanafi Madhab, the Satar for males (those parts of the body
which must be covered) is from the navel uptil the knees, excluding the
navel itself and including the knees. (Bahrur raaiq vol.8 pg.192)

This means that it is not permissible for a man to expose his knees or
thighs or to look at the knees or thighs or to look at the knees or thighs
of another male. In such circumstances, it will be permissible to wear such
shorts which hang below and comfortably cover the knees.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6303


is it permissible to go swimming in these places and conditions where other men’s satar’s are being exposed

On Sunday nights there is a Asian mens only swimming session at the local leisure centre.now some men come with shorts on covering there satar but some men come with only short shorts which cover only the main satar there legs and hips are exposed…is it permissible to go swimming in these places and conditions where other men’s satar’s are being exposed

It is not permissible for males to go to a males only swimming pool if some men to not cover their Satar - the area between the navel and knee.

It is compulsory for males to cover the area between the navel and knees and it is a sin for anyone to look at another person’s Satar.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=8813

Apart from perhaps medical treatment, I cannot see why it would be permissible to look at another person's satar - especially for something such as football which is just pure entertainment. Wallahu Alam.

:salam: