Vent....why???

[SarahB]

Salaam my brothers and sisters,

Please forgive me as I am weary and angry right now so what I say may not be politically correct. Being that I am a convert from Judaism to Islam I get a lot of curious people...from both Christians and Jews. Ironically most of the Jews leave me be but there seems to be a problem on the Christian end.

So far I am a member of a couple of Islamic message boards in my desire to increase my knowledge. Some of the other boards allow PMs which is great when you want to ask a question from one member to another. However it has it's weaknesses too.

I have received PMs from Christians that seem innocuous enough at first. They say they are "curious" or " researching Islam" and ask me about my conversion. Inevitably they end up PMing me saying that I have chosen the wrong religion and basically try to shove their beliefs down my throat. They know nothing of what I sacrificed to convert and their arrogant spew really ticks me off.

Today I received a PM asking me about my conversion and why the "Bible wasn't enough?" So I wrote a short PM explaining why I converted and the problems I had with the bible as a pure source. He wrote back....I kid you not....a TWO page response basically berating my decision to convert and what fallacies there were in my logic. I am ashamed to admit I wrote back less than a polite response as to what I felt he could do with his PM. :$

I consider myself a fairly intelligent person (all thanks to Allah SWT) and it's chaffes me when someone accuses me of converting for vapid or not well thought out reasons. I lost my family and people when I converted...and I'd do it again if left make the decision twice. Why do these people feel the need to preach to me? What do they gain by attacking a new convert to Islam? Do they get cookies at Sunday school for every Muslim they browbeat??

Sigh. Once again I apologize for my vitriolic spew...I am not in a good way right now.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

[AbdulQahhar]

Salaam my brothers and sisters,

Please forgive me as I am weary and angry right now so what I say may not be politically correct. Being that I am a convert from Judaism to Islam I get a lot of curious people...from both Christians and Jews. Ironically most of the Jews leave me be but there seems to be a problem on the Christian end.

So far I am a member of a couple of Islamic message boards in my desire to increase my knowledge. Some of the other boards allow PMs which is great when you want to ask a question from one member to another. However it has it's weaknesses too.

I have received PMs from Christians that seem innocuous enough at first. They say they are "curious" or " researching Islam" and ask me about my conversion. Inevitably they end up PMing me saying that I have chosen the wrong religion and basically try to shove their beliefs down my throat. They know nothing of what I sacrificed to convert and their arrogant spew really ticks me off.

Today I received a PM asking me about my conversion and why the "Bible wasn't enough?" So I wrote a short PM explaining why I converted and the problems I had with the bible as a pure source. He wrote back....I kid you not....a TWO page response basically berating my decision to convert and what fallacies there were in my logic. I am ashamed to admit I wrote back less than a polite response as to what I felt he could do with his PM. :$

I consider myself a fairly intelligent person (all thanks to Allah SWT) and it's chaffes me when someone accuses me of converting for vapid or not well thought out reasons. I lost my family and people when I converted...and I'd do it again if left make the decision twice. Why do these people feel the need to preach to me? What do they gain by attacking a new convert to Islam? Do they get cookies at Sunday school for every Muslim they browbeat??

Sigh. Once again I apologize for my vitriolic spew...I am not in a good way right now.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

:salam: sister,

pls don't worry and try not to be upset by these attacks. Know that Allah :taala: is the Protector of the believers. Also don't forget that intelligence comes with birth, knowledge with hardship, patience with selfcontrol and wisdom with experience.

Knowledge justifies the intelligence given at birth, deeds justify the knowledge, patience is gratefulness to Allah :taala: and passing the test from Him, and gratefulness to Allah :taala: is of the keys of the Success.

Try to never miss your Fajr prayer and try to do zikr after it and Allah :taala: will protect you always :insh:.

And try to remember in such hard moments, how the nonbelievers treated Rasulullah :saw: and yet he always remained calm and grateful to Allah :taala:.

Hope this helps sis.

[SarahB]

Thank you brother AbdulQahhar for such a speedy response. I was so angry after writing the response that I mopped my floor and washed my dishes. (Hey everyone has their way of relieving stress :lol: )

Before this perons started their diatribe I told him if I couldn't answer his questions then I would try and find an online scholar who could. But no more than I type out those words then I receive his dissertation on my flawed logic. (according to him)

What's interesting to note is that there are some decent wannabe scholars on this board that he could've questioned but instead he decided to sharpen his teeth on a convert's hide. Well when judgement day comes we shall see who is right and who is wrong. May Allah have mercy on my soul and forgive me of my sins, Ameen.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

[Pr1nce]

Wa Alaykum Salam Wa Rahmatullah

Sister don't let them bring you down. They see you as an easy target because you're a new convert and they're trying to weaken you. Ignore their preaching sister and stay steadfast. You should actually feel sorry for them lol

[dining_philosopher]

what board is this that your talking about? i want to join. might be entertaining to argue with these idiots..

[laughinglion]

:salam:

Its this simple Sis, dont get wound up by such people, after all they are misguided and they do misguided things. Even if they came with the logic of Aristotle and the rhetoric of Winston Churchill it would count for nothing because they start from a place of misguidance. Thus every statement they make in defence of their misguidance is further misguidance.

May Allah :taala: give you tawfiq.

With peace

[alfatiha]

salam

usually I try to avoid engaging with people like this because they will waste my time and I'm not a good writer/speaker, so whatever I've said would be easily debunked by that person. So I would ignore and ban the person from messaging me.

[Neyzen]

:salam:

Congratulations on your conversion to Islam ya ukhti. You must be a beloved servant of Allah, Allah subhanahu wa taala says in Quran only a few them (jews) will come to Islam. Allah subhanahu wa taala honoured you by Islam. may Allah taala increase our iman ameen!

If this people come to again , just kick their ass! :lol: dont worry that much,you have chosen the diamond , they still held coal in their hand. Islam is a perfect religion, xtianity is not in its original and pure form. Our imam's are not perverts like xtian priests.:lol:

Tell them to leave you alone, Allah taala is with you, I believe many brothers and sisters in Islam will make dua for you :insha:

:ws:

[*BismikAllahumma*]

I was so angry after writing the response that I mopped my floor and washed my dishes. (Hey everyone has their way of relieving stress :lol: )

~Sarah


Aslaamu Alaikum sister Sarah!

:D that was funny. subhanallah

MashAllah on ur conversion. may Allah Ta'ala increase u in ur imaan and ihsaan and 'ilm and make u a guiding light for those around u to islam. ameen

well... my advice to u is that block these ppl from PM'ing u cuz u can tell they r not sincere. They just want to create fitnah and doubts in ur mind...plus shaytaan whispers evil things too. so just ignore them and dont argue with them.. u dont need to explain to them ur story and how u converted...

mashallah it is by the Great Will of Allah that He guides whom He wills and leaves astray Whom He wills. So its a great blessing that Allah, Al-Haadi guided u to the truth. subhanallah

[Cloud_Strife]

Sarahb, sister please I ask you to immediately erase their PMs(private messages),and even if they send you new ones, delete them WITHOUT reading them first. Do not even reply to them back at all,just erase all their messages and if they send you new ones, DELETE THEM IMMEDIATELY. Remember whispers from satan (doubts) is something we all deal with. As one sister put it so well, they see you as weak prey and that is why they go after you. They do not go after scholars or others because they know how easily Christianity is refuted by using islamic sources.
I pray Allah keeps you and all of us steadfast on deen and helps us against the kuffar.
THere's a great verse in the Qur'an, I don't remember the exact wording,but it says that never will the kuffar be happy with the believers until they leave their deen (islam). May Allah keep us steadfast on deen and help us against the kuffar.

[humble]

as salaam aleikum sister

I too am a convert but from Christianity, so know exactly how you feel. Please try to ignore these people, they take it as apersonal insult but that is their problem, you have found the right path so it is their loss. I have recieved, on another forum very abusive PM's from Christians and had to leave an Islamic site because of the abuse I received from Muslims - go figure. :confused:

I always used to answer these people, I wanted to defend Islam and my decision to convert but to be honest I just ended up getting angry and upset. It's so not worth it.

For what it may be worth, my advice is to read everything about Islam as you can, take as many opinions as you can get and then follow your gut. Ignore these people if you can but don't allow them to get to you, you answer to Allah not idiots that have nothing better to do than type abuse to strangers.

Salaam

[umm_madina]

Assalamualikum sister,

Ameen to above duas. Sometimes, there comes a point where you just have to say to such people:

Say: "Disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship nor do you worship what I worship. I shall never worship what you worship You have your own religion and I have mine." Surah 109 The Disbelievers - al Kafiroon

He started with you perhaps knowing that you were a convert and that you are that you are probably a weak link, but Iman is not in the mind, it is in the heart. I am sorry for what you are going through....no need to ask forgiveness, its great to vent sometimes :) Just see me at the sisters' section of this forum...lol.

I would write more, but right now, I am running on a tight schedule.


May Allah (swt) keep us all on the straight path and strong in emaan...Ameen!

wa'salam

[White Lily]

I consider myself a fairly intelligent person (all thanks to Allah SWT) and it's chaffes me when someone accuses me of converting for vapid or not well thought out reasons. I lost my family and people when I converted...and I'd do it again if left make the decision twice. Why do these people feel the need to preach to me? What do they gain by attacking a new convert to Islam? Do they get cookies at Sunday school for every Muslim they browbeat??~Sarah

As-salaamu alaikum,
You ask why they do what they do? It's simple - your reversion probably has been both a shock and a blow to them. Never underestimate the power of someone who leaves everything in order to pursue what they see is the truth. You reversion might make these Christians panicky and it might even make them question their own religion. Being a former Christian myself, I know some of the strong reactions that I faced from Christians after having reverted to Islam. I think they felt like I ruined something when it came to the "safe little bobble" they were living in - all of a sudden they were forced to reflect upon their own belief. Remember that most Christians are not used to question their faith, and a lot of those who do, end up leaving Christianity (including myself).

What I find most annoying about those kind of msgs and posts from Christians, is their lack of reasoning behind why Christianity is right. Good arguments are,at least in my opinion, almost non-existent, and all they focus on is to "accept Jesus in your heart", "love..love..love"...and an endless thread of illogical and incoherent arguments put together by excerpts from the bible taken out of context. I would encourage you to just ignore their msgs. They will do you no good, and they will just leave you angry and exhausted.

[AbdulQahhar]

As-salaamu alaikum,
You ask why they do what they do? It's simple - your reversion probably has been both a shock and a blow to them. Never underestimate the power of someone who leaves everything in order to pursue what they see is the truth. You reversion might make these Christians panicky and it might even make them question their own religion. Being a former Christian myself, I know some of the strong reactions that I faced from Christians after having reverted to Islam. I think they felt like I ruined something when it came to the "safe little bobble" they were living in - all of a sudden they were forced to reflect upon their own belief. Remember that most Christians are not used to question their faith, and a lot of those who do, end up leaving Christianity (including myself).

What I find most annoying about those kind of msgs and posts from Christians, is their lack of reasoning behind why Christianity is right. Good arguments are,at least in my opinion, almost non-existent, and all they focus on is to "accept Jesus in your heart", "love..love..love"...and an endless thread of illogical and incoherent arguments put together by excerpts from the bible taken out of context. I would encourage you to just ignore their msgs. They will do you no good, and they will just leave you angry and exhausted.

:salam:

brilliant post sis, :jazak:

[MaiCarInMtl]

Assalaamu alaikum Sarah,

I am very sorry to hear that you are receiving such upsetting messages. It seems that when it comes to religion, some people are relentless and cannot seem to accept that not everyone thinks exactly the same thing they do. I'm not a Muslim (raised catholic but I find that there are a lot of things missing or that just don't feel right so right now I am researching and reading in hopes of finding the right religion for me) and I have been criticized by people of the same religion, simply because I don't believe exactly what they believe (or because I would perhaps be considered a different branch). I've even been told that I will burn in hell - a decision which I believe only God himself can make.

So if I am encountering problems within my own religion, I cannot even begin to imagine the kind of messages you get. Try not to let them get to you. I usually feel that people who are insecure in their beliefs easily attack those who hold different beliefs. Don't give it too much thought.

[SarahB]

Thank you my brothers and sisters for your insight and advice. I have basically withdrawn myself from one particular message board because the private messages were becoming offensive in the extreme.

More often than not I was becoming angry and upset and engaging in a futile exercise with these so-called Christians. Never have I dealt with such nastiness and rudeness....one even questioned if I had children. It was bizarre...one such individual was a practicing homosexual and "dating" a Jewish male who he was trying to convince to convert to Christianity. All the while this guy was attacking Islam and ridiculing every Muslim as "lost."

More than once he spoke against the Prophet (pbuh) and called Islam a filthy religion. Then he further confounded me by argueing in favor of pornography as a deterrent for rapist and pedophiles to commit crime. One of my degrees is in psychology so I brought forth research articles showing him how harmful pronography could be. Would you believe the other Christians didn't confront him but rather tried to continue to attack Islam and the Prophet(pbuh)?

I was at my wit's end until a friend asked me not to go to that particular message board because I was becoming thoroughly distracted by the dialog. I took this advice and haven't been back since, alhumdullilah I am much happier now.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

[alfarooq85]

Thank you my brothers and sisters for your insight and advice. I have basically withdrawn myself from one particular message board because the private messages were becoming offensive in the extreme.

More often than not I was becoming angry and upset and engaging in a futile exercise with these so-called Christians. Never have I dealt with such nastiness and rudeness....one even questioned if I had children. It was bizarre...one such individual was a practicing homosexual and "dating" a Jewish male who he was trying to convince to convert to Christianity. All the while this guy was attacking Islam and ridiculing every Muslim as "lost."

More than once he spoke against the Prophet (pbuh) and called Islam a filthy religion. Then he further confounded me by argueing in favor of pornography as a deterrent for rapist and pedophiles to commit crime. One of my degrees is in psychology so I brought forth research articles showing him how harmful pronography could be. Would you believe the other Christians didn't confront him but rather tried to continue to attack Islam and the Prophet(pbuh)?

I was at my wit's end until a friend asked me not to go to that particular message board because I was becoming thoroughly distracted by the dialog. I took this advice and haven't been back since, alhumdullilah I am much happier now.

Wasalaam

~Sarah


salaamu 'alaykum Sister Sarah,

Going off what others have said, it would be best to avoid such petty arguments with people who have no interest in honest dialogue. Allah ta'aala even reminds us of the efforts of such people:

"Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance. Were you to follow their desires after the knowledge which had reached you, then you would find neither protection nor help from Allah." (2:120)

Also, in accordance with the Prophetic Sunnah, we should leave those matters which will not be of benefit to us:
من حسن إسلام المرء تركه ما لا يعنيه
"Of the excellence of one's Islam is that he/she leaves that which does not concern him/her.' (Tirmidhi, Ahmad)

Thefore, for your own personal spiritual success, insha'Allah you should stick to discussions such as these which will only increase your knowledge of Islam, imaan, and love for Allah.

-Omar

[MaiCarInMtl]

Thank you my brothers and sisters for your insight and advice. I have basically withdrawn myself from one particular message board because the private messages were becoming offensive in the extreme.

More often than not I was becoming angry and upset and engaging in a futile exercise with these so-called Christians. Never have I dealt with such nastiness and rudeness....one even questioned if I had children. It was bizarre...one such individual was a practicing homosexual and "dating" a Jewish male who he was trying to convince to convert to Christianity. All the while this guy was attacking Islam and ridiculing every Muslim as "lost."

More than once he spoke against the Prophet (pbuh) and called Islam a filthy religion. Then he further confounded me by argueing in favor of pornography as a deterrent for rapist and pedophiles to commit crime. One of my degrees is in psychology so I brought forth research articles showing him how harmful pronography could be. Would you believe the other Christians didn't confront him but rather tried to continue to attack Islam and the Prophet(pbuh)?

I was at my wit's end until a friend asked me not to go to that particular message board because I was becoming thoroughly distracted by the dialog. I took this advice and haven't been back since, alhumdullilah I am much happier now.

Wasalaam

~Sarah

Don't let yourself be upset by such messages, obviously this person is very confused (for many different reasons). Actually, part of me wonders if he would be a "troll" as the people on message boards call them (basically people who go onto boards to say things in order to upset others, stir trouble, etc etc etc).

Don't pay attention to people like this, they only want to upset you and try to instill doubt in your faith (because often, they themselves are full of doubt or have nothing better to do with their time). But I am glad that you decided to leave that message board if that is the kind of message you got there.

[Julaybib]

As Salaam Alaykum.

May Allah give you abundance of sakina (peace and tranquility) my sister, may he shower you with the blessed gift of Sabr and make it dominant in your heart, ameen.

Perhaps it would be better to stay away from such message boards. Often we come across rude and belligerent, people in life but that persons rudeness dominates our minds for the whole day, or even for weeks.


How to Turn The Tables on the Missionary:



How ever if you feel that the benefits in participating on these forums out way the harm, then please continue.

Once you realise the true intentions of the person your dealing with, my advice would be to turn the tables. Do not answer questions. Rather ask them questions they will be immediately put on the defensive. Everytime they ask a question instead of responding to it ask a question of your own.

And the best tools to use are books written on comparative religion by the likes of Ahmad deedat. I think also all the works of the Jewish convert Maryam Jameelah, are brilliant in this regard. She has refuted every angle of propaganda in books. like Islam And modernity, Islam vs the Ahl Kittab, Islam vs the west.

Once you start quoting verses and contradiction in their own books,they will start avoiding you like the plague.

If you fall in the trap of answering there questions you will find a never ending influx of correspondence from these individuals.For example if they ask you 5o questions and you write an entire essay responding to them. What they will than do is take one sentence in that essay you have written and create a debate about it. So in a nutshell ask questions but Avoid at all costs the temptation to answer any, they will flood you with questions, trying to provoke a response, do not take the bait.

However speaking from personal experience debates with such individuals rarely achieve anything. You get entirely pumped up and start to enjoy these debates and spend hours researching stuff ready for the next battle.

In the mean time your worship and spiritual life ends up suffering. My personal preference would be to avoid such people and stop responding to them at all, It is perhaps far better, to ignore them completely.


I have just read all the previous threads. I still am not quite clear as to what a message board is, owing to your experience I have no inclination to find out either, well I only found out what a forum was recently. Anyway's my Duas are with you May Allah preserve you and strengthen you ameen.

[sarah1]

hsalam allakum sister sarah b I am sarah i am geting the same i was a jew b4 i was a muslim ive been geting alot of critsm from both sides as well but the best thing u can do is keep ur iman in god and dont listen 2 no 4 they will suffer and u wil win in the end .OUr RELIGION is so right if u just read the koran and look at tis world u will find that islam is the real religion .plz dont be upset and dont listen 2 no 1 do what ur heart is telling u if u love this religion u will fight 4 it just like i am doing i am pushing every1 that stands in my way i only have 1 god and he is the one i have 2 obey may god guide u and feel free 2 write back when u feel like sarah i no what ur going through salam alakum sister