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Sunni_sis
16-12-2004, 10:03 AM
I am a born Sunni Muslim, and very proud.

I have been through some shia sites that are all mentioning the
return of imam mehdi!!! Im just wondering do we believe in him, and his
return???

Can someone plz tell what our beliefs are regarding the shias
IMAMS??

And what do we have to say about IMAM Mehdi?

Thanks

ahsanirfan
16-12-2004, 10:35 AM
to believe in the coming of the imam mehdi is a necessary belief... the majority of the ulama say that disbelief in the mahdi is liable to kufr....

Usman
16-12-2004, 10:59 AM
Muslims,i.e. the ones you're referring to as "sunnis" beleive in the coming of Mahdi(guide), he would not be an Imam , as the shia myth goes regarding them. If you can understand Urdu , listen to this lecture by Maulana Azam Tariq Shaheed (Rahimahullah):

Shiyon ka 12th Imam (http://kr-hcy.com/realaudio/Barhawan-Imam.ram)

And visit this site to read about the deviations in the Shia Concept of Imamate :

http://alinaam.org.za/library/dbeliefs.htmDeviated Beleifs (http://alinaam.org.za/library/dbeliefs.htm)

Silver Sparrow
16-12-2004, 06:26 PM
I actually came across the term 'mahdi' in the dictionary a while back and it defined it as being something thats not part of orthodox islam, but something invented by the shias and 'sufis'.. the things these kuffar will do against us... i was v confused after reading that

Usman
16-12-2004, 08:40 PM
I actually came across the term 'mahdi' in the dictionary a while back and it defined it as being something thats not part of orthodox islam, but something invented by the shias and 'sufis'.. the things these kuffar will do against us... i was v confused after reading that

Well, religion doesn't come from dictionaries u know, that's what I've been saying. !

Omar HH
16-12-2004, 08:55 PM
http://www.livingislam.org/comahdi_e.html
The Coming of the Mahdi (AS)
THE COMING OUT OF THE AWAITED DESCENDENT OF FATIMA,
AL-MAHDI
Translated from al-Kattani's Nazm al-Mutanathir fi al-Hadith al-Mutawatir by GF Haddad

The coming out of al-Mahdi is narrated from the following Companions (RAA):

1. Ibn Mas`ud by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, and Ibn Majah;
2. Umm Salama by Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, and al-Hakim;
3. `Ali ibn Abi Talib by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, and Ibn Majah;
4. Abu Sa`id al-Khudri by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, Abu Ya`la, and al-Hakim;
5. Thawban by AHmad, Ibn Majah, and al-Hakim;
6. Qurra ibn Iyas al-Muzani by al-Bazzar and al-Tabarani in al-Kabir and al-Awsat;
7. `Abd Allah ibn al-Harith ibn Jaz' by Ibn Majah and al-Tabarani in al-Awsat;
8. Abu Hurayra by Ahmad, al-Tirmidhi, Abu Ya`la, al-Bazzar, al-Tabarani in al-Awsat, and others;
9. Hudhayfa ibn al-Yaman by al-Ruwyani;
10. Ibn `Abbas by Abu Nu`aym in Akhbar al-Mahdi;
11. Jabir ibn `Abd Allah by Ahmad and Muslim, the latter not mentioning al-Mahdi by name;
12. `Uthman by al-Daraqutni in al-Afrad;
13. Abu Umama by al-Tabarani in al-Kabir;
14. `Ammar ibn Yasir by al-Daraqutni in al-Afrad, al-Khatib, and Ibn `Asakir;
15. Jabir ibn Majid al-Sadafi by al-Tabarani in al-Kabir;
16. Ibn `Umar by al-Tabarani in al-Awsat;
17. Talha ibn `Ubayd Allah by al-Tabarani in al-Awsat;
18. Anas ibn Malik by Ibn Majah;
19. `Abd al-Rahman ibn `Awf by Abu Nu`aym;
20. `Imran ibn Husayn by Abu `Amr al-Dani in his Sunan and others.

Tawatur was reported on the subject by al-Sakhawi in Fath al-Mughith from Abu al-Husayn al-Abirri al-Sijistani's (d. 363) Sharh al-Risala, Manaqib al-Shafi`i, and Maghani al-Wafa bi Ma`ani al-Iktifa; also Abu al-`Ala' Idris ibn Muhammad ibn Idris al-Husayni al-`Iraqi in his epistle on the topic; also al-Saffarayini in his Sharh `Aqidat al-Imam Ahmad; Ibn Khaldun said of the narrations that he was able to gather according to his competence, that the hadiths to that effect contain weaknesses, but it was replied to him that the narrations are too numerous not to reach the level of tawatur and they are in Ahmad, al-Tirmidhi, etc.... and cannot be denied; al-Shawkani in his epistle al-Tawdih fi Tawatur ma Ja'a fi al-Mahdi wa al-Dajjal wa al-Masih; Ibn Hajar al-Haytami in al-Sawwaiq al-Muhriqa and al-Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi `Alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntazar...

Al-Kattani also says: "I have seen in our time many people expressing doubt about al-Mahdi, saying: 'Are the hadiths pertaining to him really decisive as evidence or not' and many of them choose to stand with Ibn Khaldun and rely on him, although he is not one of the experts in this field. And truth demands that we go back, in every discipline, to those that master it, and ironclad knowledge belongs to Allah Most High and Exalted."

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Muawiyah
16-12-2004, 09:56 PM
In Sahih Bukhari, Kitaab Ahadeeth ul Ambiyaa bab Ayyaam ul Jaahiliyyah it is narrated that a woman from the tribe Ahmas asked Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq Radhi Allaahu Ta'ala `anhu:


وما الأئمة؟


...and what are Imaams?

He Radhi Allaahu Ta'ala `anhu said:


أما كان لقومك رؤوس وأشراف، يأمرونهم فيطيعونهم؟


Doesn't your tribe have leaders and honoured men who order you and you obey them?

She said:


بلى


Yes, indeed

He Radhi Allaahu Ta'ala `anhu said:


فهم أولئك على الناس


So they are the Imaams over the people.


So, the leaders of a nation are its Imaams.

Regarding the Mahdi, we have been informed by narrations from Rasoolullah sallallaahu `alyhi wa sallam that a person from the decendants of Sayyiduna Hasan Radhi Allaahu `anhu named Muhammad bin `Abdullah will be the "Imaam" {leader} of the muslims when Eesaa `alyhissalaam will decend, and this Imaam will be "Mahdi" {rightly guided}.

Ultimate Hijrah
17-12-2004, 02:38 AM
From www.islam.tc

Imam Mahdi (Descendent of Prophet Muhammad PBUH)
by Mufti A.H. Elias and Mohammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali

Who Is Imam Mahdi?

Note: Please do not confuse Imam Mahdi with Hadhrat Isa (Jesus) Alayhis Salaam. They are two different persons, and both will come during the last days. According to Hadeeth, Imam Mahdi will appear first, and Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will appear during Imam Mahdi's lifetime. Furthermore, only Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will be able to kill Dajjal (the "anti-Christ").

The term "MAHDI" is a title meaning "The Guided one".

Hadhrat Abdullah bin Mas'ood (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "This world will not come to an end until one person from my progeny does not rule over the Arabs, and his name will be the same as my name." (Tirmidhi)

Hadhrat Ali (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Even if only a day remains for Qiyamah to come, yet Allah will surely send a man from my family who will fill this world with such justice and fairness, just as it initally was filled with oppression." (Abu Dawood)

His Features

Hadhrat Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) relates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Al Mahdi will be from my progeny. His forehead will be broad and his nose will be high. He will fill the world with justice and fairness at a time when the world will be filled with oppression. He will rule for seven years."

Other ahadeeth inform us that:

* He will be tall
* He will be fair complexioned
* His facial features will be similar to those of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
* His character will be exactly like that of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
* His father's name will be Abdullah
* His mother's name will be Aamina
* He will speak with a slight stutter and occasionally this stutter will frustrate him causing him to hit his hand upon his thigh.
* His age at the time of his emergence will be forty years
* He will receive Knowledge from Allah.

His Emergence and Rule

Hadhrat Umme Salmah (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, " After the death of a Ruler there will be some dispute between the people. At that time a citizen of Madina will flee (from Madinah) and go to Makkah. While in Makkah, certain people will approach him between Hajrul Aswad and Maqaame Ibraheem, and forcefully pledge their allegiance to him.

Thereafter a huge army will proceed from Syria to attack him but when they will be at Baida, which is between Makkah and Madina, they will be swallowed into the ground.

On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quraish, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imam Mahdi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain till seven years (since his emergence). He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat." (Abu Dawood)

According to a Hadeeth, Sayyidena Eesa (A.S.) will lead the Janaazah of Imam Mahdi (A.S.).

While the people will be pledging their allegiance to Imaam Mahdi, a voice from the unseen will call out:

"This is the representative of Allah,
The Mahdi, listen to him and obey him"

This announcement which will be heard by all those present will establish his authenticity. Another sign which will indicate the authenticity of Imaam Mahdi wil be that in the Ramadhaan prior to his emergence an eclipse of the sun and moon will occur.

Hadhrat Abu Umamah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "There will be four peace agreements between you and the Romans. The fourth agreement will be mediated through a person who will be from the progeny of Hadhrat Haroon (A.S.) and will be upheld for seven years."

The people asked: "O Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam), who will be the Imaam of the people at the time?"

Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "He will be from my progeny and will be forty years of age. His face will shine like a star and he will have a black spot on his left cheek. He will don two "Qutwaani" cloaks and will appear exactly as a person from the Bani Israeel..." (Tabrani)

According to hadith narrated by Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "...(regarding the rule of Imaam Mahdi) the skies will rain down in abundance and the earth will yield forth its crop in abundance, and those alive will desire that those who have already passed away should have been alive to enjoy this prosperity..."

Hadhrat Buraidah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "There will be many armies after me. You must join that army which will come from Khurasaan." (Ibn Adi)

Abu Hurairah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "(Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khurasaan. No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Baitul Maqdas) where they will erect their flags."

from: "Signs of Qiyamah"
by Mohammed Ali Ibn Zubair Ali

More Hadeeth (with references) (contributed by Bradley Bilal).

1) The Prophet (PBUH and HF) said: "Even if the entire duration of the world's existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left (before the day of judgment), Allah will expand that day to such a length of time, as to accommodate the kingdom of a person from my Ahlul-Bayt who will be called by my name. He will fill out the earth with peace and justice as it will have been full of injustice and tyranny (by then)."

References:

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v2, p86, v9, pp 74-75
Sunan Abu Dawud, v2, p7
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, pp 84,376; V3, p63

2) The Prophet (PBUH and HF) said: "al-Mahdi is one of us, the members of the household (Ahlul-Bayt)."

Reference: Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4085

3) The Prophet (PBUH and HF) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah (the daughter of the Prophet (PBUH)).

References:

Sunan Abu Dawud, English version, Ch. 36, Tradition #4271 (narrated by Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet)
Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4086

4) The Prophet (PBUH and HF) said: "We (I and my family) are members of a household that Allah (SWT) has chosen for them the life of the Hereafter over the life of this world; and the members of my household (Ahlul-Bayt) shall suffer a great affliction and they shall be forcefully expelled from their homes after my death; then there will come people from the East carrying black flags, and they will ask for some good to be given to them, but they shall be refused service; as such, they will wage war and emerge victorious, and will be offered that which they desired in the first place, but they will refuse to accept it till they pass it to a man from my family (Ahlul-Bayt) appears to fill the Earth with justice as it has been filled with corruption. So whoever reaches that (time) ought to come to them even if crawling on the ice/snow since among them is the Vice-regent of Allah (Khalifatullah) al-Mahdi."

References:

Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4082,
The History Tabari
al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, pp 250-251

5) Abu Nadra reported: We were with the company of Jabir Ibn Abdillah... Jabir Ibn Abdillah kept quite for a while and then reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: "There would be a Caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to the people without counting it." I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-Ala: Do you mean Umar Ibn Abd al-Aziz? They said: NO, (he would be Imam Mahdi).

References:

Sahih Muslim, English version, v4, chapter MCCV, p1508, Tradition #6961
Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Fitan, v4, p2234, Tradition #67

6) "al-Mahdi is from our Ahlul-Bayt, no doubt Allah will enforce his appearance within a night (i.e., his coming is very unpredictable and is very sudden)."

References: Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, p269

Compiled from various sources by Islam.tc, webmaster@islam.tc



The Shia belief is very different from the Sunni belief of the Imam Al Mahdi
We believe that he was born already of Imam Al Askari (the 11th Imam). He will be dark complected but still resimble the Prophet. He is free from sins (like all the prophets and 12 imams). He will be praying at the Kabah with Nabi Issa. The signs leading up to his return are many.

abeer_xyz
17-12-2004, 07:05 AM
I need to love Imam Hasan and Imam Hussein. What does this love mean? Does not this love obligate me to support and uphold their teachings? What about Imam Zaid and Nafs al Zakiya? Did they do right things when they revolted against the Caliphs of their time?

When Caliphate went to wrong hands, the Imams from the progeny of the Prophet took on their shoulders the responsibility to restore it when opportunity was perceived. Loving them means taking their side.

How can I love Hussein and Obey Yazid with respect?

Usman
17-12-2004, 10:18 AM
How can I love Hussein and Obey Yazid with respect?|

The verdict of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah (as opposed to yazeedis and so-called salafis) is that Yazeed was a Fasiq, but not a Kafir.

One more thing, please abstrain from using the word "imam Hasan" and Imam Hussain, as they are shia terminologies, and من تشبہا قومن فھومنھم (urdu fonts , so forgive any mistakes) , [ Musnad-Ahmad]. You could say "Syyedna Hussain" and "Syyedna Hasan" رضی اللہ تعالیٰ عنھما

JazakAllah,
wasSalaam,
Usman

haqq
17-12-2004, 03:37 PM
Ahaadith regarding Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) in the Saheehain

There is no explicit and clear narration in the Saheehain regarding Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam), however, the subject of some of their Ahaadith can be found, verbatim, in other Ahaadith Kitaabs, wherein these narrations (which appear in the Saheehain) are better understood and ‘interpreted’. Hereunder are some Ahaadith which appear in the Saheehain,

“It is reported from Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) who said, ‘Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ‘What will be your con- dition when the son of Maryam descends and your Imaam will be amongst you?” [Narrated in Bukhari in the chapter, Nuzoolu Isaa Bin Maryam)

Imaam Muslim (rahmatullahi alayh) has narrated in his Saheeh, from Hadhrat Jaabir (radhiyallahu anhu), that he heard Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) saying, “A group from my Ummat will always be en- gaged in fighting upon the Haqq (and) they will be victorious until
(just before the advent of) The Day of Qiyaamah… Isaa Ibn Maryam (alayhis salaam) will descend and their Ameer will say to him, ‘Come and lead our Salaat’. He will reply, ‘No! some of you are leaders unto others. Allah Ta`ala has honoured this Ummat.’”

Two points are worth noting here:

(1) At the time of Hadhrat Isaa’s (alayhis salaam) descension, the Muslim Ummat will have a pious and just leader.

(2) The fact that Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) will ask this Imaam to lead the Salaat is ample proof that he will be a pi- ous and virtuous Imaam.

Now the question arises as to whether this Imaam is in fact Imaam Ma- hdi (alaihis salaam)? The excellent qualities and traits of this pious Imaam are borne out by numerous Ahaadith. His name, Muhammad Ibn Abdillah, has also been mentioned in numerous Ahaadith. In a nar- ration reported in Masnad Al Haarith Ibn Abi Usaamah, and exact nar- ration such as this one is reported by Hadhrat Jaabir (radhiyallahu anhu), wherein he states the word, Al Mahdi, after the words ‘their Ameer’. This narration becomes a Tafseer of the Hadith which appearsin Muslim Shareef.

Examine the narration which appears in Musnad Al Haarith Bin Usaamah:

“It is reported from Jaabir (radhiyallahu anhu), who says that Rasu- lullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ‘A group from my Ummat will always be engaged in fighting upon the Haqq (and) they will be victorious until (just before the advent of) The Day of Qiyaamah… Isaa Ibn Maryam (alaihis salaam) will descend and their Ameer, Al Mahdi, will say to him, ‘Come and lead our Salaat’. He will reply, ‘No! some of you are leaders unto others. Allah Ta`ala has honoured this Ummat.’”

Regarding this Hadith, Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) states in Al Manaarul Muneef , “Isnaaduhu Jayyidun” (Its chain of narrators is excellent). It is very clear and evident that this narration forms an interpretation and dilation of the narration which appears in Muslim Shareef. Those Ahaadith wherein the name of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) is not mentioned, and he is merely described as a pi-ous/virtuous man, are clarified by other Ahadith which describes Imaam Mahdi with clarity.There are other narrations which clearly state that the person who will ask Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) to lead the Salaat will be Imaam Ma- hdi (alaihis salaam). Therefore, in the above-mentioned Hadith, the pi- ous/virtuous man who will ask Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) to lead the Salaat is Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam). In the Saheehain his name is not given but owing to the narration which appears in Sanad Al Harith, we come to know that the pious/virtuous Imaam who will ask Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) to lead the Salaat will be Imaam Mahdi (alaihis sa laam).

Allamah Siddiq Hasan Qanooji (rahmatullahi alayh) has compiled a large number of Ahaadith regarding Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) in his Kitaab, Al-Izaa`a. At the end, he quotes the above-mentioned nar ration from Muslim Shareef and comments, “The word, ‘Mahdi’ is not mentioned in this Hadith, but in this Hadith and other such Ahaadith, there is no possibility of this person being any other, than the awaited Mahdi, as can be borne out by the above-mentioned Ahaadith and numerous narrations.”

There are too many Ahaadith which appear in other Ahaadith Kitaabs, besides the Saheehain, wherein mention is made of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam). Hereunder we will mention a few,
1. “It is reported from Abu Saeed Khudri (radhiyallahu anhu), who says that Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ‘I give you the glad tidings of Mahdi, who will be sent at the time when there will be great differences amongst the people, and earthquakes. The earth will then be filled with justice just as it was filled with oppression and rebellion. The inhabitants of the heavens and earth will be pleased with him. He will distribute wealth with ‘Sihaah’. A Sahaabi asked, ‘What is meant by
‘Sihaah’? Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) replied, ‘With Equality and justice. Allah Ta’ala will fill the hearts of the Um- mat of Muhammad with peace and contentment, and their jus- tice will permeate and become widespread….’” [Narrated by Ahmad]
Haafizul Hadith, Allamah Nooruddeen Abul Hasan Bin Ali Bin Abi Bakr Ibn Sulaimaan Al-Haythami (rahmatullahi alayh) has mentioned in Majmu`us Zawaahid, that Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hambal (rahmatullahi alayh) has narrated this Hadith through various chains. Imaam Abu Ya`la has reported it with brevity. The narrators of both are reliable.

2. “It has been reported by Abu Huraira (radhiyallahu anhu) that Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) mentioned regarding Mahdi and he said, ‘He will reign for a period of seven years, eight years or nine years. He will fill the earth with justice and equality just as it was filled with oppression and rebel- lion.”

Allamah Haithami (rahmatullahi alayh) mentioned that the narrators in the Hadith narrated by Bazaaz are reliable. Nevertheless, some have stated some of the narrators to be unreliable.

3. “It has been reported by Abu Hurairah that he said, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ‘There will be in my Ummat a Mahdi, who will reign for seven years, or eight years or nine years. My Ummat will receive such benefits which they had never before experienced. The skies will be opened up for them. The earth will not withhold anything of its vegetation. A person will stand up and say, ‘O Mahdi! Give me.’ He will say to the man, ‘Take!’ (as much as you please).”[Tibrani]

Hadhrat Imaam Haithami (rahmatullahi alayh) stated that Imaam Tabri (rahmatullahi alayh) has narrated this Hadith in his Ausat and that all the narrators thereof are reliable.

4. Imaam Abu Dawood (rahmatullahi alayh) has compiled one chapter in his Sunan, which begins with The first Kitaab of Mahdi and ends with The last Kitaab of Mahdi. In this compilation, Imaam Abu Dawood narrates 13 Ahaadith.

5. Imaam Abu Dawood, (rahmatullahi alayh) reports from Hadhrat Aasim Ibn Abi Najood, who reports from Janaab Zarr (rahmatullahi alayh), who in turn reports from Hadhrat Abdul- lah Ibn Mas`ood (radhiyallahu anhu) that Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, “If there remains even one day for the existence of this earth, Allah will extend that day until He sends therein a man from myself, or from my family. His name will conform to mine and his father’s name to my father’s. He will fill the earth with justice and equality just as it was filled with oppression and rebellion.”

After narrating this Hadith, Imaam Abu Dawood and Imaam Munzari (rahmatullahi alayhima) remained silent (i.e. they did not comment anything on the reliability of the narrators). Similarly, Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) also remained silent regarding this Hadith in Tahzeeb. However, in his second Kitaab, Al Minaarul Mu- neef, he had indicated towards the authenticity of this narration. Al- lamah Ibn Taymia has mentioned regarding the authenticity of this Hadith in Minhaajus Sunnah. Allamah Baghawi (rahmatullahi alayh) has also narrated this Hadith without any criticisms against it. Allamah Baanwi (rahmatullahi alayh) has mentioned in Takhreej Ahaadithul Mishkaat, that this narration is reliable.

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The views of the senior Aimmah regarding the belief in Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam)

Hereunder we will present a few views of the Aimmah with regard to the Ahaadith narrated about Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam), wherefrom we can clearly understand the necessity for believing in his coming.
Haafiz Abu Ja`far Aqeeli and the Ahaadith of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam)

Haafiz-e-Hadith, Hadhrat Abu Ja`far Aqeeli (rahmatullahi alayh) [passed away 323 A.H.] has certified the Ahaadith regarding Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) as being reliable and authentic. Haafiz Ibn Ha- jar (rahmatullahi alayh) states in Tahzeebut Tahzeeb, “There are many other reliable Ahaadith regarding Mahdi besides this one (cited by Abu Ja`far Aqeeli in his Kitaab)”


Haafiz Ibn Hibbaan Al Busti’s respected view

Haafiz Ibn Hibbaan Al Busti (rahmatullahi alayh) [passed away 304 A. H] says that the Hadith, “An era will not dawn over you except that the previous one was worse than it”, refers specifically to the era of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) and it does not refer to any general era. Haafiz Ibn Hajar (rahmatullahi alayh) states in Fathul Baari, which is the commentary of Bukhari, commenting on the narration of Hadhrat Anas (radhiyallahu anhu), “An era will not dawn….” -- “The Hadith of Anas (radhiyallahu anhu) cannot be construed as a general one, owing to the Ahaadith narrated regarding Mahdi, that he will fill the earth with justice and equality just as it was filled with oppression and injustice.”

Allamah Khattaabi and the Ahaadith of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis sa- laam)

Allamah Khattaabi (rahmatullahi alayh) states in commenting on the Hadith, “Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ‘Qiyaamah will not dawn upon you until time becomes restricted, and a year will be- come like a month and a month like a day”, that this Hadith refers ei- ther to the era of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) or Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam), or it could refer to both their eras.

Hadhrat Mullah Ali Qaari (rahmatullahi alayh) states in Mirqaat, which is the commentary of Mishkaat, that the era where both, Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) and Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam), will be in, will be the one which will pass very quickly as stated in the Hadith. The author of Tuhfatul Ahwazi has also inclined towards this view.

Imaam Baihaqi (rahmatullahi alayh) and the Ahaadith of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam)

Imaam Baihaqi (rahmatullahi alayh) [passed away in 458 A.H.] stated regarding the Hadith, “There is no Mahdi except Isaa Bin Maryam (alaihi salaam)”, that the Ahaadith regarding the coming of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) are more authentic and reliable. Haafiz Ibn Ha- jar (rahmatullahi alayh) had quoted this statement of Imaam Baihaqi (rahmatullahi alayh) in Tahzeebut Tahzeeb. The narrators of the above- mentioned Hadith are criticised.

Qaadhi Ayaaz (rahmatullahi alayh) and the belief on the advent of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam)

The famous Hanafi Qaadhi, Hadhrat Ayaaz (rahmatullahi alayh) [passed away 544 A.H.] compiled a separate chapter in his Kitaab, As- Shifa, under the caption regarding Mu`jizaat, which is subdivided into three parts. At the end of this chapter, he stated regarding the prophe- cies of Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and regarding his being in- formed about the unseen. This is listed under the caption, “He does not speak from his own desire”. Qaadhi Ayaaz (rahmatullahi alayh) also lists a number of Ahaadith regarding the coming of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam).

Imaam Qurtubi (rahmatullahi alayh) and the belief regarding Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam)

The famous Mufassir of the Qur`aan Majeed, Hadhrat Imaam Muham- mad Ibn Ahmad Ibn Abi Bakr Al Qurtubi (rahmatullahi alayh) [passed away 671 A.H.] states regarding the narration, “There is no Mahdi ex- cept Isaa Bin Maryam (alaihi salaam)” that its chain of narrators are weak. He states further that Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) will be from the progeny of Hadhrat Faatimah (radhiyallahu anha) and that the Ahaadith regarding the coming of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) in the last era are authentic and reliable. Therefore, the above-mentioned nar- ration is not to be relied upon and cannot be used as a guide, since there are other authentic and Mutawaatir Ahaadith which abrogate it. He also states an interpretation for this narration that the possible rea- son for Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) having mentioned that “There is no Mahdi except Isaa Bin Maryam (alaihi salaam)” was that there will be no complete and sinless Mahdi (Guide) except Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam). Imaam Qurtubi (rahmatullahi alayh) states that this interpretation to the narration offers a suitable reconciliation be- tween the various narrations, which appear to be contradictory.

Allamah Suyuti (rahmatulla1hi alayh) has also quoted this statement and commentary of Allamah Qurtubi (rahmatullahi alayh).

Sheikhul Islam, Ibn Taymia and the belief of the coming of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam)

Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taymia (rahmatullahi alayh) [passed away 768 A. H.] states in his Kitaab, Minhaajus Sunnah…on page 211, vol.1, “Chapter: However, that which he (here he is referring to some Shiah scholar) narrates via Ibn Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) about Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) that he said, ‘A man will emerge in the final era from my progeny. His name will be like mine and his title will be like mine. He will fill the earth with justice just as it was filled with oppression. He will be Al-Mahdi.” The answer to this is that the Ahaadith which refer to the coming of Imaam Mahdi are authentic and reliable. Imaam Abu Dawood, Imaam Tirmidhi and Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hambal (rahmatullahi alayhim) have all narrated such Ahaadith. For example, the Hadith of Hadhrat Ibn Mas`ood (radhiyallahu anhu) wherein he reports from Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), ‘If there does not remain of this earth except one day, then Allah will lengthen that day until a man emerges who will be from me, or from my house- hold. His name will correspond to mine and his father’s name to my father’s. He will fill the earth with justice and equality just as it was filled with oppression and rebellion.” [Tirmidhi]

It is reported from Umme Salmah (radhiyallahu anha) that Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, ‘Al-Mahdi is from my progeny, from the offspring of Faatimah.” [Abu Dawood].
There is also the narration of Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) who looked towards his son, Hasan and said, ‘Indeed this son of mine, as Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) mentioned, soon a man will be borne of him, whose name will be the name as that of your Nabi. His character and habits will be like his (i.e. Nabi - sallallahu alayhi wasallam), but not his features. He will fill the earth with justice.”

Allamah Haafiz Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) and the belief regarding Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam)

Hadhrat Allamah Haafiz Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) states re- garding the Hadith, “There is no Mahdi except Isaa Bin Maryam (alaihi salaam)” that the narrators thereof are unreliable and he also states that there are numerous Ahaadith regarding the coming of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) that he will be from the progeny of Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and that he will fill the earth with justice and reign for about seven years. Also that he will be reigning at the time of the descension of Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam). He will also be of some assistance in the slaying of Dajjaal. He will also lead the Salaat for the Ummat, such that even Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) will follow him in Salaat.

Does The Mahdi refer to Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam)?

Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) states that the Ahaadith re- garding Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) are of four types, authentic, re- liable, weak and concocted. Similarly, there are four views regarding the coming of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) in the final era. One of the views is that The Mahdi refers to Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam). The proponents of this view have used the above-mentioned Hadith as a proof. As a matter of fact, even they have acceded to the fact that this narration is not 100% reliable. Even if we assume that this narration is reliable, still too, it cannot be used to refute the coming of Imaam Ma- hdi (alaihis salaam). The reason being that between Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the advent of Qiyaamah, Hadhrat Isa (alaihis sa- laam) will be the greatest Mahdi (Guide), as is borne out by the various Ahaadith. He will descend on the east Minaarat of the Musjid in Da- mascus and he will rule in accordance to the Qur`aan Majeed. He will fight the Jews and Christians and take Jizya from them. During his reign all the religions will dissipate. It will be true to say that he will be the Mahdi (guide), and besides him there will be no other. Although there will be another man who will be Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam). Therefore, when Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) is referred to as The Ma hdi it implies that he will be the perfect, complete and sinless Guide.

Has Mahdi already passed in the previous generations?

Another view is that the Mahdi which is mentioned in the Ahaadith re- fers to a ruler from amongst the Bani Abbaas, who lived in some past era. In substantiation of this view, the proponents have quoted the two Ahaadith which mention regarding the carriers of the black flags, who will come from Khurasaan or the east. Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) has categorized both these Ahaadith as weak. He has also cited the substantiating views of other Muhaditheen. He says that even if these narrations are accepted as true and reliable, then too, it cannot be held as proof that the Mahdi has al- ready passed in the previous era and that he was from the Bani Abbaas. He states that these Ahaadith refer to a specific person who will emerge during the final era. The term “Mahdi” is also a general term which can be used more loosely to apply to many other personalities as well. For example, Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, “My Sunnat is binding upon you and the Sunnat of the Khulafaa Raashideen Mahdiyeen, those who come after me…” This Hadith refers to the Khulafaa-e-Rashideen as also being Mahdis. Imaam Ahmad Ibn Ham- bal (rahmatullahi alayh) also stated that Hadhrat Umar Bin Abdil Azeez (rahmatullahi alayh) was also a Mahdi from amongst the Mahdis. Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) states that there is no doubt that Hadhrat Umar Bin Abdil Azeez (rahmatullahi alayh) was also a Mahdi, but he is not the Mahdi of the final era, who is referred to in the Ahaadith. Just as there are many small dajjaals and liars besides the big Dajjaal, who is to come before Qiyaamah, there are many Mahdis besides the actual Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam).

Mahdi will be in the final era and from the Ahle Bait

The third view is that Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) will be in the fi- nal era and he will be from the progeny of Hadhrat Hasan Ibn Ali (radhiyallahu anhuma). Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) states that this view is the best and most preferred view, which is sub- stantiated by the many Ahaadith narrated in this regard. Most of the Ahaadith indicate to the fact that he will be from the family of Hadhrat Hasan Bin Ali (radhiyallahu anhuma). This is the authentic view of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama’ah.

Hidden Imaam

Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) states the fourth view as be- ing that held by the Shiahs that the Mahdi is their hidden final Imaam who will emerge in the final era. After citing the various views regard- ing the Mahdi of the final era, he states, “Nevertheless, one of the views of the sect of Imaamiah is that the Mahdi of the final era is not Muhammad Ibn Abdillah, but Muhammad Ibn Hoosein Al-Askari, the awaited Mahdi, who is from the progeny of Hadhrat Hoosein Ibn Ali (radhiyallahu anhu), and not from the progeny of Hadhrat Hasan Bin Ali (radhiyallahu anhu). He is omnipresent but hidden from our sight. He disappeared in his youth, with the staff of Hadhrat Moosa (alaihis salaam). This occurred in the 5th century after Hijri. Upto this day, he is still hidden.”

Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) wrote this around the year 751 A.H. Today, many, many centuries later, the situation and belief of the Rawaafidh and Shiahs is very much the same. It is quite clear and evident that they are astray and base their reliance on concocted and deviant narrations.

The Jews are also awaiting their Messiah

Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) states that shaitaan has for- mulated a trick on the Jews and created this belief amongst them that a person from amongst the children of Hadhrat Dawood (alaihis salaam) will emerge and he will spread the name and fame of the Jews throughout the world. They are now awaiting this Messiah of theirs. In fact, they await not a Messiah of guidance, rather one of deviation. They await Dajjaal. The Jews will be the greatest aids and promoters of The Dajjaal. It will be due to this evil of theirs, that Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) will slaughter the Jews, so much that there will not re- main even one on the face of the earth. The Ummat of Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) has this belief that the Maseeh of the final era, Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) will descend and he will come to kill Dajjaal, break the cross, eliminate pigs and kill his enemies, the Jews. In this regard, Allamah Ibn Qayyim (rahmatullahi alayh) states that the Muslims have an affinity to the family of Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wa- sallam) and they await the advent of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) who will spread justice and peace on earth which will replace oppres- sion and rebellion.

Allamah Abul Hasan As-Samhudi (rahmatullahi alayh) and the belief regarding the emergence of Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam)
Hadhrat Allamah Abul Hasan As-Samhudi (rahmatullahi alayh) [passed away 911 A.H.] states, “From the established narrations of The Prophet of the last era, Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), we de- duce that he (Imaam Mahdi - alaihis salaam) is from the progeny of Hadhrat Faatimatuz Zahra (radhiyallahu anha). According to the nar- ration in Abu Dawood, he will be from the children of Hadhrat Hasan (radhiyallahu anhu)…”

The view of Haafiz Ibn Hajar (rahmatullahi alayh)

Allamah Ibn Hajar Al Makki (rahmatullahi alayh) [passed away 974 A.H.] states in his Kitaab, Al Qowlul Mukhtasar Fi Alaamaatil Mahdi- yil Muntazar, “Belief in the awaited Mahdi, the emergence of Dajjaal, the descension of Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) and his performing Sa- laat behind Mahdi are all established from reliable and authentic Ahaadith. One should remember this also, that in whichever Hadith mention is made of a leader in the final era in close proximity to Qi- yaamah, it refers to Mahdi.”

Haafiz Ibn Katheer and belief in Mahdi

Haafiz Ibn Katheer (rahmatullahi alayh) states in Al-Fitan Wal Malaa- him, under the chapter Thikrul Mahdi Allazi Yakunu Fi Aakhiriz Zamaan (Mention of that Mahdi who will emerge in the final era), that the Mahdi of the final era will be from amongst the Khulafaa-e- Raashideen and Aimmah-e-Mahdiyeen. He states that the Mahdi of the final era is not that Mahdi which the Rawaafidh/Shias are awaiting. Their belief is based, not on any reliable information, but rather on concocted and spurious narrations. It will not be the Muhammad Ibn Hasan Al-Askari who according to them was born in 255 A.H. and who at the age of five miraculously disappeared, until the present day.

We are speaking here of that Mahdi who is described in the Ahaadith of Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). He will be born in the final era, in close proximity to Qiyaamah. Ibn Katheer (rahmatullahi alayh) states that his view is that this Mahdi will appear just before the de- scension of Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam). Also the narration of Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) which states that it is he (Imaam Mahdi - alaihis salaam) who will be born from the progeny of his son, Hadhrat Hasan (radhiyallahu anhu) and whose name will be like that of our Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and his father’s name will be like that of Nabi’s (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) father’s name. Ibn Katheer (rahmatullahi alayh) also indicates towards the fact that it does not refer to anyone from the Bani Abbaas, from the previous eras. He has also stated that the Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) will be born after the reign of the Bani Abbaas and that he will be from the progeny of Hadhrat Faatimah (radhiyallahu anha). He has also indicated clearly that Imaam Mahdi (alaihis salaam) will be from the offspring of Hadhrat Hasan (radhiyallahu anhu) and not Hadhrat Hussein(radhiyallahu anhu), as is clearly borne out by the narration of Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu).

Ibn Katheer (rahmatullahi alayh) narrates a Hadith from Ibn Majah, that Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, “Three persons will fight at your treasure (The Kaabah). They will be the sons of the Khulafaa. They will not even come near one another when black flags will be raised from the east. They will come to fight you, such a fight that has never been witnessed before.” The narrator says that Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said something further which he cannot remember. Then Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, “When you see it (this army), then you should take ba`it to him, even though you have to trav- erse ice to get to him, because he is the Khalifah Mahdi.”
Ibn Majah is alone in reporting this Hadith but the chain of narrators are reliable and authentic.



Extracted from the book IMAAM MAHDI (Alayhis Salaam) (http://books.themajlis.net/node/view/60)

Silver Sparrow
17-12-2004, 08:19 PM
Well, religion doesn't come from dictionaries u know, that's what I've been saying. !
Who's taking their religion from a dictionary?

Azzam
20-12-2004, 04:07 PM
Obviously Ahl Sunnah believe in the Mahdi.

However, different groups believe in slightly different things to gain strength for themselves.

He will be involved in Jihad and then emerge in Makkah and flee to Madinah and begin his Mission as Al Mahdi there.

There are ahadith linking this with the movements of Khurasaan and this is presently Afghanistan and Eastern Iran area. Jihad is more evident here than most places. There were specially made training camps and guerrilla fighters were sent from here throughout the world.

That is why the Crusaders had to invade it to stop this activity so their mission of the Greater Israel and middle east domination would not be disturbed.

So now to become a fighter one is responsible to his training himself.

But Allah is better at planning than them in an inconceivable way, so He will defend His deen in inconceivable ways.

There are many books written on the mahdi but can only be bought on the black market because of the governments. These books are more specific and not general as much of the internet material is.

shunni
20-12-2004, 10:36 PM
The verdict of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah (as opposed to yazeedis and so-called salafis) is that Yazeed was a Fasiq, but not a Kafir.

One more thing, please abstrain from using the word "imam Hasan" and Imam Hussain, as they are shia terminologies, and من تشبہا قومن فھومنھم (urdu fonts , so forgive any mistakes) , [ Musnad-Ahmad]. You could say "Syyedna Hussain" and "Syyedna Hasan" رضی اللہ تعالیٰ عنھما

JazakAllah,
wasSalaam,
Usman

I guess we shouldn't say Imam Ali either.

coldfusion
31-12-2004, 07:18 PM
About beliefe about imam mehdi is diffrent in shia and sunni muslims. Shia's imam mehdi is some one hidden in a cave in iraq with original Quran and when he will come out, he will do this and that and that which all is just nothing more then a lie.

And sunni belief about Mehdi is that he will be a person who will gather muslims and will make unity in them. we dont call him a IMAM or something like that, which is all came from shia resources. Today the islam is in a form similar to the form of Shariah of Ibrahim A.S at time of birth of prophet Muhammad SAW, Mehdi A.S will work for Shariah-e-Muhammadi that is islam and will not bring something new.

there is diffrence about Mehdi A.S in muslims and shias.

Allah Ta'la know better
Salam on Ahl-e-imaan

shunni
03-01-2005, 01:41 PM
About beliefe about imam mehdi is diffrent in shia and sunni muslims. Shia's imam mehdi is some one hidden in a cave in iraq with original Quran and when he will come out, he will do this and that and that which all is just nothing more then a lie.

And sunni belief about Mehdi is that he will be a person who will gather muslims and will make unity in them. we dont call him a IMAM or something like that, which is all came from shia resources. Today the islam is in a form similar to the form of Shariah of Ibrahim A.S at time of birth of prophet Muhammad SAW, Mehdi A.S will work for Shariah-e-Muhammadi that is islam and will not bring something new.

there is diffrence about Mehdi A.S in muslims and shias.

Allah Ta'la know better
Salam on Ahl-e-imaan

According to Shia Beleive " this man hidden in the cave " is a direct descensant of the Prophet . Just for that notion you show some respect.

Remember bro confused, there is always the remote chance that you are wrong, because ONLY ALLAH knows best. Besides I am sure you did not research all the references given in post #6.

Usman
03-01-2005, 11:09 PM
I guess we shouldn't say Imam Ali either.
Yup

According to Shia Beleive " this man hidden in the cave " is a direct descensant of the Prophet . Just for that notion you show some respect.

Remember bro confused, there is always the remote chance that you are wrong, because ONLY ALLAH knows best. Besides I am sure you did not research all the references given in post #6.

Well, we're Muslims,not shia; and as Muslims , it's out firm beleif that the Shia Myth of "Imam Mahdi" is a total lie based on fabrications. It's out beleif that the so-called 12th Imam of Shia never was born in the house of Syyedina Hasan Askari(Rahimahullah). To prove this , there are sayings of Syyedina Hasaan (Rahimahullah) himself.

And for all the **** the rawafidh have put into their books regarding their "mahdi", it's our firm beleif not to respect "it".

shunni
04-01-2005, 02:13 PM
Yup


Well, we're Muslims,not shia; and as Muslims , it's out firm beleif that the Shia Myth of "Imam Mahdi" is a total lie based on fabrications. It's out beleif that the so-called 12th Imam of Shia never was born in the house of Syyedina Hasan Askari(Rahimahullah). To prove this , there are sayings of Syyedina Hasaan (Rahimahullah) himself.

And for all the **** the rawafidh have put into their books regarding their "mahdi", it's our firm beleif not to respect "it".

If you are a Muslim, you should be acting like one. Muslims respect aother people beleif.

Usman
04-01-2005, 09:40 PM
If you are a Muslim, you should be acting like one. Muslims respect aother people beleif.

You're right. I should respect the beleifs of other religions. I'll do so the day the Shias start counting themselves out of Islam.

shunni
04-01-2005, 10:33 PM
You're right. I should respect the beleifs of other religions. I'll do so the day the Shias start counting themselves out of Islam.

You know, if it wasn't for people like you, our Umma would be in a lot of better shape then the way it is today.

muslim786
04-01-2005, 10:47 PM
You know, if it wasn't for people like you, our Umma would be in a lot of better shape then the way it is today.
Directly attacking other members on this forum is not allowed, so be careful in future. However I do know what your are trying to get at. Also saying Imam Hasan and Imam Hussain is VERY much allowed and advised, regardless of what other groups of muslims call them or not. For example many other people besides sunnis call the Prophets prophets too, should we stop calling them this just because of them. Imam Hasan RA and Hussain RA are the leaders of heavens youth as the Prophet Sal lalAllah hu alayhe wa salaam has told us, so they are Imams.

Usman
04-01-2005, 10:58 PM
You know, if it wasn't for people like you, our Umma would be in a lot of better shape then the way it is today.

Yeah I know that, 'cause we unveil the rifdh within you, so that the "Muslim ummah" is aware of it. Probably this is the reason why "your ummah" is in a bad shape(won't get into details, sisters in the forum), that the "Muslims" unveil your taqayyah and rifdh.

Usman
04-01-2005, 11:03 PM
Imam Hasan RA and Hussain RA are the leaders of heavens youth as the Prophet Sal lalAllah hu alayhe wa salaam has told us, so they are Imams.

Quote the hadith, it says "Syyida Shababi Ahlil Jannah". secondly, when other religion call the Prophets ,"Prophets", they mean "Prophets" like our beleif; contrary to this, the Shia myth of Imamate is totally against the Islamic beleif, so it's advisabe,(and I never said impermissible), to use the words "Syyidina"(isn't that really beautiful?) than "Imam". JazakAllah

salman
04-01-2005, 11:27 PM
Salamu Alaikum

I dont like where this thread is going and the answer to the original question has been provided.

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