The solution to stop Salafism

[Omar HH]

:bism:
:salam:
Throw away all the computers of these 14 year old kids who go on these Salafi websites and start calling their parents followers of Bid'ah and Mushriks, and then go on forums all over the internet pretending to be scholars of the Deen but really haven't even read the full Qur'an one time through probably.

Jazakallahu Khayrun

[Mossy]

Alternatively, more community outreach programs with proper, tolerant Islamic education from an early age. Also, centralised and easily accessible online resources containing accepted positions as well as.. Oh.. Better get to coding that..

[VeiledOne]

Asalaamualaikum,

The salafi mentality seems the easy way out for many. "What am I doing wrong? I only follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah." I also think it makes kids feel like "intellectuals" by deriving their own interpretations of hadith or using various hadith as their daleel. Most are not even familiar with the arabic language.
A way to educate the youth would be making authentic literature and writings by the classical scholars easily accessible thru the internet and other meduims.
May Allah protect us from arrogance and ignorance.
Ameen

[ahsanirfan]

Asalaamualaikum,

The salafi mentality seems the easy way out for many. "What am I doing wrong? I only follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah." I also think it makes kids feel like "intellectuals" by deriving their own interpretations of hadith or using various hadith as their daleel. Most are not even familiar with arabic language.
A way to educate the youth would be making auhtentic literature and writings by the classical scholars easily accessible thru the internet and other meduims.
May Allah protect us from arrogance and ignorance.
Ameen

we need that so much..... insha Allah we shall....

[ahl-e-bayt]

This is my personal observation.

1) Most hanafi turned salafis that I have met have been those whom were totally not into religion at first.

2) But when they realized that religion and its knowledge was important they turned for guidance, or when they became dissatisfied with the modern way of life. However, when they turned towards guidance the most easily accessible material they found on religion was salafi.

3) Since their parents were not knowledgeable enough they could not tell them why they were wrong in following salafi brand of Islam.

4) Besides these kids never had a solid understanding and education of religion in the first place, therefore whatever salafism taught them they took it as correct.

Their example is of an uneducated person who is taught Physics, and told that Gravity is a upward pulling force. Since, that is the only point of view they learned they take it to be correct, because all beginners by default expect their teachers to be correct. And then to make matters worse they are told that all other points of view lead to kuffar. Therefore, do not study them. In other words, it is a very subtle form of brainwashing.

Salafiism can be combated by providing FREE classical literature. We also need muslim goverments to support such programs. The Scholars of the Ahl Sunnah wa Jammah need to be more attentive towards the youth. They need to interact with them from an early age. The scholars need to know the mindset of an average muslim kid in their community so that they can better understand them.

This I have learned from experience.
And one last point. I believe family plays a significant role in the individuals ideas and moral values. I know that when I started reading 'Arab news' and other non authoritative sources on religion, I was confused. However, luckily my family was an immense support thanks to our ancestors and our traditional knowledge of Islam. They helped in removing my doubts. Not everyone has this luxury where they can go and ask an alim a question at any time. Such people need to be in close contact with the Ulema. And again the Ulema need to do some outreach.

Allah knows best!

[jaylen]

honestly, I don't understand why there are so many darn sects in islam. Islam is easy yet we find it difficult to follow simple rules. Astaghfurallah, I was just reading some things on salafi and wahhabi, finally I figured out what this stuff is..to an extent..ya Allah. Why can't people just take the sunnah, sharia, qurah, hadiths and whatever else they need in order to make their brains stick to proper islam rather than these little sects here and there. There is enough on this earth that we don't need to make things up in order for us to make islam "EASIER"...it is easy if people stop thinking to much about the bad things they would "love" to do. I mean come on..bad things make you stressed out because you're guilty about it. Maybe I'm ignorant because I haven't been subjected to much of this but doesn't our mind play a role in our common sense. If Allah didn't want us to do it then he said "haram" or "makruh" other wise it's "halal" simple as that. I don't know, too many people with opinions if you ask me. :confused:

[Omar HH]

Maybe the Governments of Morocco, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Syria can help out. They all are massively Ahlul Sunnah.

Insha'Allah someone needs to counter this Saudi nonsense.

[eat-halal guy]

:bism:
:salam:
Throw away all the computers of these 14 year old kids who go on these Salafi websites and start calling their parents followers of Bid'ah and Mushriks, and then go on forums all over the internet pretending to be scholars of the Deen but really haven't even read the full Qur'an one time through probably.

Jazakallahu Khayrun

:salam:

Very true...a distant relative of mine has a 17 year-old friend who tries to brainwash him saying that his brother and his friend (i.e. me) are tablighis who pray to dead sufi saints or something like that...and Allah-knows what else.

He tried arguing with me and Saleel once.

I don't bother anymore.

[ilm_seeker]

As sallamu alaikum

Salafiya appeals to those people who want to start practicing. It seems rational. Why should they believe in people spiritually alive in their graves? Why should they believe in taburruk? This all comes across as cultural non-sense to them. If we want to reach out to the Salafiya then we must reach out to our own people specially those back home to stop them from commiting acts of grave worship so that the Salafiya cannot use that as ammo against us. Let's face it, not many cultural ppl know the adab of visiting graves, they do ruku nad sujud to them. We must educate them as well.

I think that the major reason for ppl becoming Salafis is their desire to avoid shirk and not violate the rules of Tawhid. This is commendable, but the people must be tought about these two particular subjects by traditional Ulema.

Placing emphasis on adab and akhlaq is also important. Showing them that they cannot go around branding ppl kuffar and making their own ijtihad.

Wa alaikum as sallam

[abby]

As sallamu alaikum

I think that the major reason for ppl becoming Salafis is their desire to avoid shirk and not violate the rules of Tawhid. This is commendable, but the people must be tought about these two particular subjects by traditional Ulema.

Wa alaikum as sallam

It's true, many salafis become salafi, and stay salafi with good intentions. They really think they are on haqq, and don't want to make Allah angry.

salafism definitely stems from ignorance....many of of them don' t know how much thought, effort, stufy needs to be done in order for rulings to be derived, and this is what our traditonal ulema have accomplished...what boggles my mind are salafi "scholars"...I mean they have more knowledge than the regular guy on the street..you'd think that they would see the big picture, instead of maintaining the"I only follow Quran and hadith" mentality

[eat-halal guy]

True. We are probably to blame too for not doing our job in making our position clear, etc.

[Sadiq]

Coudnt agree more with you there, my dear maulana.

The world is all about winning the hearts and minds of people. Dawah is given by everyone, and everything. Due to our "lack" of dawah, "our" people fall in this trap....

We need to promote "pure islam" via the net, through websites, offline by printing from our small epson printers or hp ones, by talking about the "great" scholars, we need to tell people about what to buy and what to look for when buying islamic books, we should buy books for people, cousins and friends, from our own money.

"we get in, or they will get in"...

Buy Shaykh Ahmad Ali tapes, couple of nice titles, such as Paradise, Keys to Salvation and just give it to your friends to borrow, or to take....there are many people who are not aware of "our" scholars, so we need to promote them.

Its not necessarily the salafies have power, money.....its our lack of dawah. Invite your friends to talks, invite them here, invite them known websites....give them talks, free, borrow, print them articles, give them books.....what more can this be, then giving Islam to your friends and family...the rewards...the knowledge, the spreading...

Lets get our sunni boots on and walk to everyone....whoever it may be, if you are shy, just give them 2/3 websites and run.....

Wasallam,

The main dangers in this life are the people who want to change everything - or nothing. Lady Astor

[Zahra]

Assalamu Alaikum.

We really need to increase fellow muslims awareness of traditional, pure Islam. For instance when you enter an Islamic bookshop, the majority of the books are of salafi viewpoint and can be misleading, copies of Bahishti Zewar and Fiqh Ul Imam should be given to brothers and sisters who are newly interested in the deen :)

Walaikum Asalam.

[abdul518ca]

The only book which I feel can stop Salafism is Fadhail-e-Amaal. But these Salafis have such a wrong perception of this book that they consider it a sin to read it.

It has everything concerning the Ahl-e-Sunnah, Sufis, Taqleed, etc.

[Abdur_Rahman]

:salam:

Why argue and debate and just continue a loop, isn't better to focus on oneself?

[Abdur_Rahman]

The only book which I feel can stop Salafism is Fadhail-e-Amaal. But these Salafis have such a wrong perception of this book that they consider it a sin to read it.
It has everything concerning the Ahl-e-Sunnah, Sufis, Taqleed, etc.
:salam:

I thought that this particular book were for/by the Tableegh are they also considered sufi too?

[al-Shami]

I hope people are as critical of the modernists as the salafis...
I find the modernists a lot more disagreeable.

I don't think singleing out paticular groups (always salafis for some reason) productive.

[Abdur_Rahman]

I hope people are as critical of the modernists as the salafis...
I find the modernists a lot more disagreeable.

I don't think singleing out paticular groups (always salafis for some reason) productive.
:jazak:


Ra'd (13):11
For each (person), there are angels in succession, before and behind him. They guard him by the Command of Allâh. Verily! Allâh will not change the good condition of a people as long as they do not change their state of goodness themselves. But when Allâh wills a people's punishment, there can be no turning back of it, and they will find besides Him no protector.

It's sad that we need to place blame on another group of muslims :(

[Omar HH]

I hope people are as critical of the modernists as the salafis...
I find the modernists a lot more disagreeable.

I don't think singleing out paticular groups (always salafis for some reason) productive.

It depends what you mean by modernists. If you mean Muslim Wake Up modernists than I agree. But if you mean Ghayr Muqallids in fiqh, but still following the Aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah, those people should be taught the right fiqh.

Jazakallahu Khayrun

[Abdur_Rahman]

But if you mean Ghayr Muqallids in fiqh, but still following the Aqeedah of Ahlul Sunnah, those people should be taught the right fiqh.
Jazakallahu Khayrun
:salam:

Which is the right understanding (School of thought), now this is biased from the start and you're basing on what you think is correct akhi!

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25150&postcount=34

[Mossy]

I think the point is that 99 out of 100 ulema over the last 14 hundred years would also agree their fiqh isn't quite right (taqleed having come about through a sunni ijma).

Taking from a mixture of minority Hanbali positions and modernist interpretations of these isn't likely to be the right fiqh (understanding) when compared to the fiqh of the four madhabs and all the diversity contained within. Knowledge of why these are all mutually correct and the differences between them (ie their usul) is very important for any muslim who wants to mix and match. As happens.

[Abdur_Rahman]

I think the point is that 99 out of 100 ulema over the last 14 hundred years would also agree their fiqh isn't quite right (taqleed having come about through a sunni ijma).
:salam: Brother Mossy from your statement....you believe the shuyokh of the past didn't think their fiqh was correct? Maybe I just misuderstood your reply :$


Taking from a mixture of minority Hanbali positions and modernist interpretations of these isn't likely to be the right fiqh (understanding) when compared to the fiqh of the four madhabs and all the diversity contained within. Knowledge of why these are all mutually correct and the differences between them (ie their usul) is very important for any muslim who wants to mix and match. As happens.
From a book by Bilal Phillips from the evolution of fiqh he mentioned about the issue of multiple adhan being called in haram and the alternate stations in the kab'ah and can someone please clarify or give me a better understanding of that issue please that was brought about :insh:

[Omar HH]

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[Abdur_Rahman]

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Did I miss something? :confused:

I'm just asking for clarity, akhi that is all!

[Silver Sparrow]

It's true you know, when I was under the influence of a certain brother (i think you know who I'm talking about), you kinda think: well, they must be right, cos theyre so strict. its like your natural instinct is to think that theyre the right ones, and your 'bidati' family are wrong (oh youre so wrong with your tasbeehs and your taweez, doing your namaz all wrong, you're just bidatis and commiting shirk, with your weather reports.. thats so haram, youre such sinners... what do you mean? I dont follow any particular madhhab, I just follow whats closest to quran and sunnah). It was SO pathetic, it makes me wonder how I could have fallen for such pap.

[Abdur_Rahman]

Some folks have had 'traumatic' experiences

[Mossy]

:salam: Brother Mossy from your statement....you believe the shuyokh of the past didn't think their fiqh was correct? Maybe I just misuderstood your reply :$

They wouldn't think that the fiqh of the modern salafiyyah movement was correct. Nobody should believe that their fiqh is entirely correct of course - who can know the Shariah save the anbiya?


From a book by Bilal Phillips from the evolution of fiqh he mentioned about the issue of multiple adhan being called in haram and the alternate stations in the kab'ah and can someone please clarify or give me a better understanding of that issue please that was brought about :insh:

Search for congregations.

[Abdur_Rahman]

:salam:

I agree let's just end all arguments to better ourselves :thumbsup:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25150&postcount=34

[Ultra-Muslim]

The Syrian government isn't Sunni...they are Alevi.

They killed tens of thousands of Ikhwan Al-Muslimin over the years. Ask about the massacres in Homs and Hama...

[Abdur_Rahman]

Brother " ~~~~~~ " I apologize for my 'dumbness' but i dont get whether that was sarcastic or not ( please forgive ). One more point, regarding Taqlid and Sufism, the 'ulema have already done a great job regarding clearing this issue.
:salam:
It wasn't sarcasm, I was just re-interating what the brother stated, and I agree we should end all heated arguments because it leads to more strife


The Syrian government isn't Sunni...they are Alevi.
What is an ALEVI :$

[salman]

Salamu Alaikum

Salafism will never stop when every single other post is about them.

[Abdur_Rahman]

Salamu Alaikum

Salafism will never stop when every single other post is about them.
:salam:


Beating a dead horse
(http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25150&postcount=34)

:(

[Azzam]

Alawis are another sect some are from the shia some from sunnis (developed from) but they are not part of Ahl Sunnah.

Still you can be part of Ahl Sunnah and make crimes that would have people making legislated takfeer on the rulers such as the majority of the rulers.

The Syrian government also is baathist. They are the same as the Saddam government. They believe loyality to the baath movement is like a god for them.

They implement kufr rules and negate Islamic rules.

Even if they were sunni, people would make legislated takfeer on them.

[Abdur_Rahman]

Alawis are another sect some are from the shia some from sunnis (developed from) but they are not part of Ahl Sunnah.

Still you can be part of Ahl Sunnah and make crimes that would have people making legislated takfeer on the rulers such as the majority of the rulers.

The Syrian government also is baathist. They are the same as the Saddam government. They believe loyality to the baath movement is like a god for them.

They implement kufr rules and negate Islamic rules.

Even if they were sunni, people would make legislated takfeer on them.
:subh:

:frown:

[Muawiyah]

I think "Salafism" merely ignorance, the answers is just to spread knowledge. The salafis dawah is based on raising shallow slogans against the Ahl us Sunnah like:

"No one knows the future except Allah" then quote a few hikaayaat in which some Awliyaa are inspired with ilhaam and say "Shirk in Allah's `ilm ul ghayb". The answer is merely to show from the sunnah that Allah Ta'la does inspire his Awliyaa with knowledge of some events that will happen in the future.

Or "No one but Allah is `Aalim ul Ghayb" then quote hikaayaat about Kashf ul Quboor {unveiling of punishment or reward in a grave} and proclaim "shirk in Allah's `ilm ul ghayb". The answer is simply to show how kashf ul qubur happened to some of the Sahaabah radhi Allahu Ta'ala `anhum and others of the salaf as well.

"Everlasting life is an attribute of Allah alone" then quote the Sunni belief in the Ambiyaa `alyhim us salaam being alive in their graves and proclaim it "Shirk in Allah's attribute of Al-Hayy". The answer is that Ambiyaa `alyhim us salaam are alive in their graves doesn't mean that they have not died.

Regarding Tawassul: "Mushrikeen had the same belief". The Mushrikeen made dua to ghayrullah not tawassul of Awliyaa in dua to Allah and tawassul is proven from many of the salaf.

[Omar HH]

Alawite (look that up on google),

But they support Sunni Shayoukh like Shaykh Kuftaro (RA) and the majority of Muslims in Syria are Sunni, and they have many great Shuyokh in Syria like al-Bouti

Jazakallahu Khayrun

[Ultra-Muslim]

I agree. I think all of the rulers are apostates. But, that's just my personal opinion.