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Colonel_Hardstone

12-09-2007, 09:51 AM

Do you think this author 'safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri' is a ghair muqalid? is it fine to read this book of his?

Need an official answer.

insha'Allah

JazakAllah

Asslamo Allaikum,

1) He is a Ghair Muqallid.

2) Mufti Taqi Usmani describes him & his commentary of Tirmidhi (Tohfatul-A'wadhi) in Mufti Saheb's Darse-Tirmidhi and writes that Ulama disagree with some of his opinions.

3) Ahle-Hadeeth in India/ Pakistan are Ghair-Muqallid and the Fiqh books of Imam Shawkani (RA)'s are part of their curriculum; as a result they are staunchly Ghair-Muqallid in sharp contrast to Hanabila of Najd (i.e. Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA), Shaykh Bin-Baaz (RA) etc....Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) was also staunchly Ghair-Muqallid

It is important to note the distinction as many lump the Ahle-Hadeeth of India/ Pakistan in the same category as Hanabila of Najd...

Hanabila of Najd follow the Madhab of Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal (RA) MOSTLY

WHILE

Ahle-Hadeeth of India/ Pakistan are STAUNCHLY against following a Madhab as the learn the principles of Fiqh from Imam Shawkani (RA)'s books!

Julaybib

12-09-2007, 09:57 AM

Nu'ayman ibn Amr

12-09-2007, 10:00 AM

:salam:

Yes, he was a Ghair Muqallid 'Alim. I've not heard any objections against Ar-Raheeq al-Makhtum from 'Ulama.

Just a note of interest, an 'Alim once related to me from his Ustadh that Ar-Raheeq al-Makhtum was a direct lift of Hadhrat Mawlana Idris Kandhelwi's :rahim: brilliant work on the seerah, Seerat al-Mustafa :saw:

Julaybib

12-09-2007, 10:03 AM

Salaam's

So has Seerat al Mustafa been translated into English.

Also which books of Seerah would People recommend as essential reading for Ramadhan.

Nu'ayman ibn Amr

12-09-2007, 10:06 AM

Salaam's

So has Seerat al Mustafa been translated into English

:ws:

It has been translated in South Africa. I've been told that Turath Publishing will be editing and Publishing it :insh:

bambino

12-09-2007, 10:12 AM

What disappoints me though, is that most of the Seerah books in English are written in a very dry manner.

Julaybib

12-09-2007, 10:13 AM

Salaam's

well Allah bless the Brethren in South Africa for it seems they are the only ones outside the Sub-Continent. active in translating the Works of our elders into English.

Incidentally as an introductory book I would recommend Muhammad (Sallallahu alaiyhi Wasallam) The Prophet Of revolution by Maulana Wahiduddin Khan. It is not a seerah book as such but just contains selected episodes, mainly targetted at a Western audience.

Although it would be best to keep away from the authors other writings.His other works are very controversials.

abuhajira

12-09-2007, 11:07 AM

:salam:

The Seeratul Mustafa is translated by Mufti M. Kadwa of Madrassah Inaamiyyah. It not as fluent of a translation one would hope, but it much better than indo pak work i have read before. I only had the oppertunity to read the 2nd vol. Which is mostly about wars and sariyas etc..

InshAllah it should soon be available..

With regards to Raheeq ul Makhtoom, though no objections have been raised and the book is a good concize reference source, yet it is lacking in its character building areas. While reading it you feel that Rasulullah :saw: was a stern and narrowed personality. This is what I felt while reading it.. perhaps I am the one who is lacking :)

:ws:

:ws:

Colonel_Hardstone

12-09-2007, 11:10 AM

Asslamo Allaikum,

I have heard about this so much and almost all my life that other Ulama lift the work of Deobandi Ulama but frankly:

1. No one EVER talks about it openly, its ALWAYS a certain Maulana said in front of certain people (Chinese whispers)!

2. No evidence is ever put forth!

3. No refutation is ever put forth!

4. We have hundreds of Ulama graduating from our Darul-ulooms in the West and YET we have the WEAKEST translation tradition, compared to others…

5. We have hundreds of Ulama graduating from our Darul-ulooms in the West and YET we have the WEAKEST Dawah and presence on the Net, in the Print or electronic media and most certainly on the mass-media (TV, Videos etc.)

…The days of TV being Haram Fatwaas are long gone because of:

a. Mufti Taqi Usmani & others are appearing on TV

b. Darul-uloom Bury & certain of its graduates has been involved with certain TV channels in UK, although no public admission has ever been made

It has always been said that a deobandi Alim wrote for Maulana Maududi (RA) BUT not a single piece of evidence is put forth to justify it OR to set the record straight....

Results = Arab world knows a lot about Maulana Maududi & Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Mubarakpoori (RA) but almost nothing about the "supposidly" Deobandi Ulama whose works have been "lifted"!

Now people can take my comments the wrong way or face the facts.

Allah (SWT) knows best.

abuhajira

12-09-2007, 11:14 AM

:salam:

I would suggest read both Raheeq and Seeratul Mustafa.. no one has to write up a refutation.. I read first part of Seeratul Mustafa about 4.5 years back in urdu.. at that time it was so detailed for me that i only managed to read some of it..

Raheeq is not compared to Seeratul Mustafa.. it is very abridged in that respect..

:ws:

Abu Salma

12-09-2007, 11:15 AM

:ws:

Ash-Shifa' of Qadi 'Iyad is also a must-read.

Available here:
http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/product_info.php?products_id=76

Julaybib

12-09-2007, 11:16 AM

Salaam's

I agree it is all true and what has been most lacking is the Translation of all the Great Works of the Deobandi Ulema.

abuzainab

12-09-2007, 11:22 AM

Salaam's

But has anyone sighted mistakes in this biography or is it just don't read the book Cuz he is ghair Muqallid.

After all their is mistake in the Much hyped Martin Lings book no one has raised objection about that Cuz he is Sufi.

there are numerous mistakes in Ling's book which have been pointed out. Remember seerah is a narration of the Life of the Prophet by historians and writers and it is not scrutinised in the same manner as hadith.
There are good book in English I can list the following authors whose books are available:

Adil Salahi
Prof. Tariq Ramadhan
Abu Hasan Ali Nadwi
Mohammed Hayakal
Zakkaria Bashier
Tahia Ismail
Allama Shibli Numani
Naeem Siddiqui

You have to read alot of seerah books to understand fully.

Husain

12-09-2007, 11:37 AM

2) Mufti Taqi Usmani describes him & his commentary of Tirmidhi (Tohfatul-A'wadhi) in Mufti Saheb's Darse-Tirmidhi and writes that Ulama disagree with some of his opinions.

The author of Tahfah al-Ahwadhi and the author of al-Rahiq al-Makhtum are two different people!

First is Muhammad Abdur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri, while the other is Safi ar-Rahman al-Mubarkpuri.

Colonel_Hardstone

12-09-2007, 11:37 AM

:ws:

Ash-Shifa' of Qadi 'Iyad is also a must-read.

Available here:
http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/product_info.php?products_id=76

Asslamo Allaikum,

I would read Ash-Shifa of Qadhi Iyad (RA) everyday & twice on a Sunday.

Agreed 110%.

Masah'Allah, it moves you and invokes the love of the beloved of Allah (SWT) in your heart unlike "Sealed Nectar" which is very dry (in my opinion).

Julaybib

12-09-2007, 11:39 AM

Salaam's

The Problem is most of these books as has been pointed out is written in uninspiring fashion very dry like Brother Bambino stated.

Indeed I found the essay written by Prof. RamaKrishna Rao, more moving and it is usually handed as Dawah booklet by Shaykh Ahmed Deedats U.K. Branch.

Julaybib

12-09-2007, 11:41 AM

Salaam's

That settles it Al Shifa Of Qadi Iyad it is then.

Neyzen

12-09-2007, 11:48 AM

:salam:

Sunnipath www.sunnipath.com has the sealed nectar on web page

i suppose it is a great work, i, too, have it. I have not seen anything wrong in it

:ws:

Abdul Razak

12-09-2007, 12:01 PM

Salaam's

After all their is mistake in the Much hyped Martin Lings book no one has raised objection about that Cuz he is Sufi.

:salam:

This is inaccurate. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf points out some of his mistakes in his sira set. Sheikh Gibril Haddad, who is one of the main proponents of tasawwuf around, points out many of his mistakes. Others have expressed their problems with the book as well. Even with the problems, Sheikh Hamza and many others still consider it the best sira book in English. Sheikh Haddad prefers Dr. Bouti's Jurisprudence of the Prophetic Biography (Fiqh as-sira) which was translated into English by Nancy Roberts.

:ws:

Julaybib

12-09-2007, 12:29 PM

Salaam's

Jazak'Allah Br.Abdul Razzak I stand corrected.

Colonel_Hardstone

12-09-2007, 02:07 PM

The author of Tahfah al-Ahwadhi and the author of al-Rahiq al-Makhtum are two different people!

First is Muhammad Abdur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri, while the other is Safi ar-Rahman al-Mubarkpuri.

Asslamo Allaikum,

I was wrong and Jazakullah Khairun for correcting me.

iqadeer

12-09-2007, 02:54 PM

…The days of TV being Haram Fatwaas are long gone because of:

a. Mufti Taqi Usmani & others are appearing on TV

:salam:

I think Mufti Taqi's db appearance on Doctor Shahid Masood's program was based on a necessity, and as a general rule, he wouldn't approve of TV. Allah knows best.

Salafi

12-09-2007, 05:23 PM

3) Ahle-Hadeeth in India/ Pakistan are Ghair-Muqallid and the Fiqh books of Imam Shawkani (RA)'s are part of their curriculum; as a result they are staunchly Ghair-Muqallid in sharp contrast to Hanabila of Najd (i.e. Shaykh Uthaymeen (RA), Shaykh Bin-Baaz (RA) etc....Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) was also staunchly Ghair-Muqallid
..........................................Ahle-Hadeeth of India/ Pakistan are STAUNCHLY against following a Madhab as the learn the principles of Fiqh from Imam Shawkani (RA)'s books!

Asslamo alaikum

they are also taught hidayah of almarghinani with ibn hajr's research diraya. and also hanafi usool book usoole shashi.

ar raheeq was written originally in arabic and urdu was also written by shaikh rahimahullah.

salams

(they molded you man lol)

UmmeGibrel

12-09-2007, 06:00 PM

Jazakallah Khaiyr...

And what about Naseem Hijazi? is he a ghair muqalid too...?

Salafi

12-09-2007, 06:10 PM

well he is a novel writer unlike shaykh safi urrahman rahimahullah. shaikh was one of the main stream salafi/ahl hadeeth ulema of india from a reknowned family of ahl hadeeth.

Saad

12-09-2007, 06:16 PM

Jazakallah Khaiyr...

And what about Naseem Hijazi? is he a ghair muqalid too...?

Love his novels. =)

Proud2baMuslim

12-09-2007, 06:43 PM

I too loved before i start practising Islam! Indeed he was one of my favourite writers but now i have many doubts abt his Novels.. am confused!!!

I would really appreciate if Abu Hajira or anyother scholar here clarify me..

I simply need an official answer.. are we permissible or not to read his books?? Yes or No???

: jazak :

Saad

12-09-2007, 10:23 PM

Colonel_Hardstone

13-09-2007, 02:24 PM

Asslamo Allaikum,

I have read some of Nisam Hijazi 's Novels but to be honest he favours romanticism (to history) instead of accuracy, therefore if you want to have fun read the stuff but don’t quote it as historical facts as many Pakistnees (particularly women) are fond of doing!

I have two serious problems with Pakistani/Indian Islamically oriented papers and media:

1) Most papers (including Islam & Dharb-e-Mumin), books and articles are historically grossly inaccurate

2) Most papers (including Islam & Dharb-e-Mumin), books and articles are scientifically dead-wrong or present outdated information or get their facts from 7 year old little-girls with wild-Texan-imagination

For examples see articles in Dharb-e-Mumin about Newton which continue to mention “Apple falling on his head…” & Newton contemplating for “10 hours a day for 18 years”

Also President Bush keeping a “Presbyterian bible” in his side drawer, I mean Hello!!!!!!!

Buy books which try to present Sunnah in the light of Science & you find wild claims, bogus research and quotes from Readers Digest (I mean what is the Paki fascination with Readers Digest!)

I was reading a book (published from Lahore) on Sunnah & science and it quoted about something, “The famous Dr John (notice the usage of first name with a title, peculiar to Asian culture) of Surrey treated patients for 10 years and found “Sunnah of…” as quoted in Hadeeth from the Authentic works of Dar-Qutni (notice Authentic and Dar-Qutni in the same sentence)…

You will find many sites of the Internet proclaiming stuff, selling stuff quoting “Dr this & Dr that…”

When I go to Pakistan I am bombarded with questions about Sunnah being proven by “Dr this & Dr that”…my opinion on Sunnah is very simple I don’t really care about Dr John proving something about sunnah….I follow Sunnah to get close to Allah (SWT) and I will NOT:

1) Start using Miswak because Dr John proves it to be efficacious

2) Stop using Miswak because Dr John proves it to be harmful

And PLEASE QUOTE a reliable study and not “Dr John” because I don’t really care about “Dr John” in wherever!

Sometimes I feel like writing to these dodo-heads that:

1) Deuterium is an isotope of hydrogen NOT related to uranium

2) Dajjal is not living in Bermuda triangle, PEOPLE DO REALLY FLY TO BERMUDA!

3) We are not in the age of Newtonian Physics, we are in QUANTUM-PHYSICS, get with the program!

etc. etc. etc.

O well! I need to go get some nappies and let people get on with their fasciantion with Bermuda Triangle and consider it part of their "Aqeedah"

O before I go! My personal favourite of stories about the whereabouts and doings (when he comes) of Imam Mahdi according to science…and trying to explain the Miracles of Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) with science!

you gotta love it!

And the greatest scientific discovery (I paraphrase):

My brother was in a small village in Punjab and the Imam said, “We don’t believe that Americans have landed on the moon and if they have they MUST have landed on the 14th, try landing on the 1st or the 2nd (O AMERICANS!) and we will see you fight the Qudrat (power) of Allah (SWT)!

Everybody in the village started “Nariay-e-Takbeer/Allahu-Akbar”

O! I am ranting....Man-O-Man I gotta-get-a-life!

Skilly

14-09-2007, 03:22 AM

Salaam's

But has anyone sighted mistakes in this biography or is it just don't read the book Cuz he is ghair Muqallid.

After all their is mistake in the Much hyped Martin Lings book no one has raised objection about that Cuz he is Sufi.

Yes Martin Ling translation has material in it that is not in the original.
I heard it is a good translation alhtough, however the mistake's in it should give even sufi's fit.

Anyway their is translation available in the net. I been reading it brother's and sisters and it is good.

If you understand arabic than I advise one to read the original arabic version as I hear it is very good.

UmmeGibrel

14-09-2007, 05:28 AM

I have not read any of Nisam Hijazi 's Novels, i asked on behalf of a sister of mine. I don't read urdu simply, so i am not going to comment on that.

You said:
"And PLEASE QUOTE a reliable study and not “Dr John” because I don’t really care about “Dr John” in wherever!"

Brother, you will be surprised to know that some people in Pakistan really need the dr this and that stuff. I mean, if that's the thing that is liked by them, and ispires them, why not provide them with it...?
They may get closer to Allah, through the dr this and that stuff. Who knows?

I also am certain that you may know, how many people want to become Doctors...they are into science...so we should try to provide them with something that they are into. Ofcourse nothing that is not proven correct. i.e. benefits of brushing your teeth with the Miswak, what benefits you get after doing the wudhu etc.

I know you are not influenced by such literature, but may people still are...
And once they learn the real stuff they may automatically realise that we do this and not becasue Dr so and so, says so. We do it for the sake of Allah ALONE. Insha'Allah.

I am not saying your wrong, i am just encouraging you to relate science with sunnah through authentic resourses and to tell your bros in Pakistan the outcome of real up-to-date scientific research. Insha'Allah

Brother Skilly: which translation are you refering to? and where abouts can you find it on the net?

May Allah guide us all. Ameen.

abuhajira

14-09-2007, 06:41 AM

Asslamo Allaikum,

And the greatest scientific discovery (I paraphrase):

My brother was in a small village in Punjab and the Imam said, “We don’t believe that Americans have landed on the moon and if they have they MUST have landed on the 14th, try landing on the 1st or the 2nd (O AMERICANS!) and we will see you fight the Qudrat (power) of Allah (SWT)!

Everybody in the village started “Nariay-e-Takbeer/Allahu-Akbar”

O! I am ranting....Man-O-Man I gotta-get-a-life!

:salam:

HAHA you gotte cite that man..

lovely

:ws:

bambino

14-09-2007, 07:13 AM

:ws:

Ash-Shifa' of Qadi 'Iyad is also a must-read.

Available here:
http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/product_info.php?products_id=76

Does this book contain Ayah written in Arabic or in English? I mean can you read it without wudu?

Colonel_Hardstone

14-09-2007, 11:53 AM

Asslamo Allaikum,

Translation has some grammatical and syntactical errors which are being fixed by some brothers....we will post the updated/corrected/proof-read translation on the site after its completed on http://www.central-mosque.com , Insha'Allah....

Should have been done/completed/dusted it by now but need to whip some people into action as they seem to be slacking up! :rolleyes:

Brother is trying to get married & apparently he thinks its more important than the work I assigned him…..NOT! :lol: :cheesygri :mad: :rolleyes:

Skilly

14-09-2007, 04:04 PM

Brother Skilly: which translation are you refering to? and where abouts can you find it on the net?

May Allah guide us all. Ameen.

Salamu alaikum

Their is a translation by Issam Diab.

What is important I guess is people don't add stuff into the original book when they are translating it, and making money out of it.
I don't know if the site would come out. This forum censors alot of Islamic site.

Here is it (Right Click And Save)

Download:Sealed Nectar (http://www.islamhouse.com/d/files/en/ih_books/signal/en_The_Sealed_Nectar.pdf)
Size: 936.22Kb

UmmeGibrel

15-09-2007, 02:35 PM

Jazakallah Khaiyr brothers. Will check it out...

faran

26-03-2009, 09:48 AM

Dear Brother,

Why are you so apprehensive about reading Raheeq e Makhtoom and for that matter any book in the world. Look read any book any thing which you find contrary to Koran and Hadees discard it dont accept it and anything which complies with Koran and Haddes accept it. What is so big deal about it.

Do you think this author 'safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri' is a ghair muqalid? is it fine to read this book of his?

Need an official answer.

insha'Allah

JazakAllah

faran

26-03-2009, 09:52 AM

Is there any saheeh hadees or ayah in koran which prohibits you to read any ayah of koran or koran without wadu. I think no. If you know any sahee hadees please let me know. You can read koran without wudhu if I am incorrect pls show me the sahee hadees I repeat sahee hadees.

Does this book contain Ayah written in Arabic or in English? I mean can you read it without wudu?

UmmeGibrel

29-03-2009, 05:01 PM

Because bro, there are many many books in the world which i hav't read, which are authentic. A book doesn't have to have a list of compilations from quran and ahadith to be authentic. Some times there are some hidden things that an ignorant person of religion like myself will absorb uncontiously...

Thats why i have to be careful in what i read.

faran

30-03-2009, 05:42 AM

Dear Brother,

It appears to me that you have recently inclined towards understanding Islam and to quench your thurst you want to read Islamic Books in order to aquire knowledge. You also want to be careful in obtaining correct information about Islam. In nutshel I can deduce (though I may be incorrect in judgement) that you want to obtain knowledge about Islam on the basis of Quran and Saheeh Hadees. If this is the case it is really heart warming.

Look brother there is a methodolgy in writing Islamic books. Somebody can not write Islamic Books based his own whims and fancy or his own personal understaning. It is imperative on each and every writer and so to reader as well to write/understand things the way Sahaba understood. That means it has to be supported by either quranic ayah and saheeh hadees. I repeat Saheeh Hadees. Why I am emphasising on Sahee Hadees that there are writers who take the help of zaeef hadees to prove his point which is detrimental for Islam. That is the trick played by enemies of Islam especially jews.

The best way to read a book to see even before purchasing that whether there is a footnote or not if there is no footnote you have to be little suspicious. If there is footnote see whether the claim has been backed by the references or not. The writer will mention refer to so and so hadees from so and so book. Now if the reference is from Saheeh Bukhari or Saheeh Muslim you are safe. But if the reference is in some other book you will have to investigate a little more.

It will be easy for you to buy a reference book written by Sheikh Albani who has segregated Saheeh Hadees from Zaeef. The name of book is Silsalatul Hadees As Sahhea and Silsatul Hadees az zaeefa. And all the other 4 books from Saha Sitta e.g Abu Dawood, Nisai, Tirmidhi and Ibne Majaa.

Now I will give you some of the name of books which are good books backed by reference.

But before that let me ask you whether you are an Urdu speaking person. I presume that you are:

Quranic Tafseer:

Tafseer Ibne Kaseer (Katheer) By Ibne Katheer
Tafseer senai by Moulana Sanaullah Amritsari
Le Beyaan fil quran Luqman Salfi
Tafheemul Quran By Moulana Moududi

Seerah

Seeratu NNabi by Syed Sulaiman Nadwi
Rahmatul Aalamin
Raheeq E Makhtoom

Hadees

Sahee bukhari by Abu Dawood Zar (Muttarajjim)
Mishkaat al mIsabeeh

Regards,

Faran Imam

Because bro, there are many many books in the world which i hav't read, which are authentic. A book doesn't have to have a list of compilations from quran and ahadith to be authentic. Some times there are some hidden things that an ignorant person of religion like myself will absorb uncontiously...

Thats why i have to be careful in what i read.

UmmeGibrel

30-03-2009, 12:15 PM

JazakAllah khair brother. My understanding of my religion is not vast at all. And yes i am fairly new to Islamic literature. I can understand urdu, although it's not my mother tongue. I can read with great difficulty, and i end up with headaches each time i try...

I have sahih bukhari, sahih muslim, tafseer Ma'rful Qur'an. In english. Once i finish this tafseer i'll get hold of another one.

p.s I ain't a Brother

Colonel_Hardstone

30-03-2009, 04:26 PM

It will be easy for you to buy a reference book written by Sheikh Albani who has segregated Saheeh Hadees from Zaeef. The name of book is Silsalatul Hadees As Sahhea and Silsatul Hadees az zaeefa. And all the other 4 books from Saha Sitta e.g Abu Dawood, Nisai, Tirmidhi and Ibne Majaa.

:ws: Brother,

Welcome to the forum.

I would be best to THROW THIS AWAY and go with classical Islamic scholars and their classification of Hadeeth into Saheeh, Da'eef and Maudoo instead of some recent scholar reclassifying things sitting in a Library e.g. of instead of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)'s butchering of Sunan Abi Dawud go with the original Abu Dawud and a classical commentary where all the Ahadeeth are already graded and commented upon

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Hier.asp?Doc=4&n=0

In books of Fadhail instead of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)'s butchering of Al-Adab Al-Mufrad go with the original by Ameeul-Muhaditheen Imam Bukhari (RA)....If Imam Bukhari (RA) wanted tempering with his book he would have done it himself!

The butchering (Salafi version of Jarh Wat-Tadeel) is the greatest Fitnah to hit Islam in the last few decades.

:jazak:

qaazi

04-04-2009, 02:14 PM

I see people here quoting their assumptions on aurthor without reading "Ar-Raheequl-Makhtum"
I have read "Ar-Raheequl-Makhtum". Its the best book on seerah you can get your hands on. The aurthor has nothing to say in thi sbook on his own will, rather he has taken bits and pieces from classic sources like sirat ibn hisham, sirat ibn ishaq and other ahadeeths from bukhari, muslim, musnad imam hanbal, etc. All his book is has references to all the narrations and events.
The time you people has wasted here, you could have just got the book and read it before coming to conclusion.

Jazak Allah. Lets unite the Ummah, separation is the work of Iblis.

UmmeGibrel

04-04-2009, 07:09 PM

Kantz

05-04-2009, 12:01 AM

Enquiring brother, is not wasting time. We have a copy of the new version of this book now anyway. I have read some parts of it in pdf format. Although i have the other one in paper back. I have read other books on prophet's seerah and life story. And they are all good and bring you to tears. It is in his (PBUH) character that we find beauty really...

Salam sis,

I have this book with me, mashaAllah I really envied the author..new version ? which edition was it ? Mine is Jan 02.

btw, if I am not mistaken, the brother above is our Ustadh.

Wassalam.

UmmeGibrel

05-04-2009, 09:51 AM

Sorry Uthadh. Will not be so rude anymore. Forgive me!

UmmeGibrel

05-04-2009, 09:58 AM

Sister. This is the one Brother skilly posted here in this thread some time ago.

http://www.islamhouse.com/d/files/en/ih_books/signal/en_The_Sealed_Nectar.pdf

It's not actually a new version, but another translation.

UmmeGibrel

05-04-2009, 10:01 AM

How can you tell who is an Uthadh and who isn't? I wonder...

faran

11-04-2009, 06:43 AM

:ws: Brother,

I really dont understand why muslims are so oblivious about facts. Why do they just believe what they believe on the basis of somebody said this and some other said that. Why don't they themselves and I repeat they themselves go and open up the book and read for themselves. Why do they depend on some other person who is like him and who speaks from his own nafs.

Now, this brother is ready to throw Al Raheeque Al Makhtoom away and want to read the book from classical Islamic Scholars e.g?????? he has not mentioned any name.

This shows how ignorant he is. If any one reads Al Raheeque Al Makhtoom and compare with any classical writers of Seerah e.g. Ibne Hasham, Ibne Ishaque, Ibne Katheer (Complete Islamic History including Seerah) Seeratun Nabi (Shibli Nomany/Syed Sulaiman Nadwi), Rahmatul Alamin (Salman Mansoorpuri) The life of Mohammed (PBUH) (Mohammed Haykal) he won't find any difference.

This shows how ignorant this brother is.

As regards his comment on classification of Hadees into Saheeh, Da'eef and Moudoo by Nasir Albani again reflects his ignorance. Long time ago many classical scholars e.g Ibne Taimia, Ibne Qayyum, Shk WaliUllah Muhaddis Dehlve (RA) and many more scholars have earlier classified hadees from last 4 Books of Siha Sitta, Adab Ul Mafrad and Other Books of Hadees into aformentioned three catogaries. What Albani has done, simply given a shape of Books e.g Saheeh Abu Dawood, Daeef Abu Dawwod and other books of Hadees which is unprecedented. You won't find such books before Albani. Now in case you do not agree with his classification and based on your own research if you disagree with him you have every right you can do the rebuttal on the basis of daleels rather than just saying.

So dear brother do it, if you wish.

Welcome to the forum.

I would be best to THROW THIS AWAY and go with classical Islamic scholars and their classification of Hadeeth into Saheeh, Da'eef and Maudoo instead of some recent scholar reclassifying things sitting in a Library e.g. of instead of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)'s butchering of Sunan Abi Dawud go with the original Abu Dawud and a classical commentary where all the Ahadeeth are already graded and commented upon

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Hier.asp?Doc=4&n=0

In books of Fadhail instead of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)'s butchering of Al-Adab Al-Mufrad go with the original by Ameeul-Muhaditheen Imam Bukhari (RA)....If Imam Bukhari (RA) wanted tempering with his book he would have done it himself!

The butchering (Salafi version of Jarh Wat-Tadeel) is the greatest Fitnah to hit Islam in the last few decades.

:jazak:
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Colonel_Hardstone

11-04-2009, 06:35 PM

:ws: Brother,

I really dont understand why muslims are so oblivious about facts. Why do they just believe what they believe on the basis of somebody said this and some other said that. Why don't they themselves and I repeat they themselves go and open up the book and read for themselves. Why do they depend on some other person who is like him and who speaks from his own nafs.

Now, this brother is ready to throw Al Raheeque Al Makhtoom away and want to read the book from classical Islamic Scholars e.g?????? he has not mentioned any name.

This shows how ignorant he is. If any one reads Al Raheeque Al Makhtoom and compare with any classical writers of Seerah e.g. Ibne Hasham, Ibne Ishaque, Ibne Katheer (Complete Islamic History including Seerah) Seeratun Nabi (Shibli Nomany/Syed Sulaiman Nadwi), Rahmatul Alamin (Salman Mansoorpuri) The life of Mohammed (PBUH) (Mohammed Haykal) he won't find any difference.

This shows how ignorant this brother is.

As regards his comment on classification of Hadees into Saheeh, Da'eef and Moudoo by Nasir Albani again reflects his ignorance. Long time ago many classical scholars e.g Ibne Taimia, Ibne Qayyum, Shk WaliUllah Muhaddis Dehlve (RA) and many more scholars have earlier classified hadees from last 4 Books of Siha Sitta, Adab Ul Mafrad and Other Books of Hadees into aformentioned three catogaries. What Albani has done, simply given a shape of Books e.g Saheeh Abu Dawood, Daeef Abu Dawwod and other books of Hadees which is unprecedented. You won't find such books before Albani. Now in case you do not agree with his classification and based on your own research if you disagree with him you have every right you can do the rebuttal on the basis of daleels rather than just saying.

So dear brother do it, if you wish.

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Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

Please ditch your ignorant Salafi antics and learn to read, understand and then respond...

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=372223&postcount=45

My reply is directed towards your encouragment towards reading the works of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) and prefer the works of classical Muhaditheen and not connected with Ar-Raheeqal Makhtoom.

But I guess your overzealous, blind, bigoted love for Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) can't let you see anything past your nose, let alone understand a reply before resposnding.

I said to THROW AWAY THE WORKS of Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) in a BIN and READ the works of established Muhaditheen of the Muslim Ummah! not throw away Ar-Raheeqal Makhtoom

What Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) considered Authentic or weak or fabricated most of the Muslim ummah doesn't give a damn except for a few bigoted, blind and close and closet-minded Salafees! What Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Imam Abi Dawud, Imam Tirmidhi and others considered Authentic or weak or fabricated, we rely upon, Insha'Allah.

Kantz

12-04-2009, 10:43 AM

How can you tell who is an Uthadh and who isn't? I wonder...

Salam sis,

please ...no.. ..I am trying to say that the brother reminds me of dining philosopher..lol.

Wassalam

UmmeGibrel

15-04-2009, 04:26 PM

oh, i see. Never mind.

faran

14-03-2010, 08:10 AM

Dear Brother Colonol,

Sorry for being out of touch for such a long time and not replied to your thread and also accept my apologies that I mentioned wrongly in place of what you said to THROW AWAY SH. ALBANI WORKS I said throw away Al Raheequl Makhtoom this is my mistake once again sorry.

But you will appreciate that in my posting I never used the word THROW AWAY certain books only because the writer subscribe to certain ideology. Rather to be fare I mentioned in the prescribed books to read Tafhimul Quran by Moulana Moududi who is a HANAFI. Yes brother. So who is blind, overzealous and bigoted.

This was one thing I just wanted to help you understand and to broaden your mind. Our invitation is just to follow Koran, Sunnah and the first three generation of Muslim Ummah. It is that simple.

You have devided Muslim Ummah into four catogaries. Right!!!
HANAFI
HAMBALI
SHAFI
MALIKI

And surprisingly all of them are on haque. How two antithetical things could be haque at the same time.

Let me give you an example

Shafi believe that Touching wife after wudu is naqise wudu. i.e it nullifiies the wudu.
Hanafi says it does not

Maliki say while standing for prayer you need not hold your hand on your naval/below naval. Hanfi say you have to fold below naval.

Hanafi say below naval, shafi say on chest.

Shafi say one, three, five, seven rikah witr is sunnah, Hanafi say there is only three rikah.

So much of controversy and all of them on haque illogical and confusing

Now if a non muslim accepts Islam he will obviously get confused that whom to follow. All of them will invite him/her to come to their group. Finally he gets back. So we have no other option but to say that we have devided Islam and this gap is increasing day by day. And I feel that this forum is instrumental in agravating the problem and you are one of them Brother Colonol. Save your self from the Day of Judgement. Any post of yours which is helpful in deviding any muslim, even though one, you will be held responsible on the day of judgement. HAVE YOU PREPARED YOURSELF.
My only request to you is to try to unite muslims through this blog by inviting them to KORAN and SUNNAH.

May Allah guide us all to seek truth seek haque and May Allah help us to deffrentiate between Haque and Batil. And the simplest way to identify haque is that the haque will always match with Koran and Sunnah and deeds of first three generations of Muslim Ummah i.e. SAHABAS, TABEES AND TABA TABEES.This is as simple as that.

Jazak Allah Khair

Faran Imam

'Abdullaah

14-03-2010, 09:47 AM

faran

14-03-2010, 05:22 PM

:salam:

Br. Faran (and any responders),

Please continue your discussions about madhhab vs. no-madhhab somewhere else.
Kindly do a search and continue in one of the existing threads on the topic.

Spare this thread from turning into a foul mouthed (unfortunate!) debate, which never concludes to a positive outcome.
Such topics are rather better discussed privately.

If brothers are really doing this for Allaah's pleasure, and want to help each other in gaining nearness to Allaah, kindly exchange email address and/or phone numbers, or get together at a local masjid, get to know each other and continue the discussion.

:jazak:
:salam:

Dear Brother Abdullah,

Thanks for your suggestion and I honour it.

But sorry to tell you that in this thread whole discussion were entirely prejudiced and based on Madhab vs Non Madhab. Whether to read or not to read a book viz Ar Raheequl Makhtum which was written by Sh Safiurrahman Mubarakpuri and unfortunately he is not a muqallid.

And it is shame on us that the Muslim Ummah are so much devided among themself and each of them considers himself on Haque and try to proves that other are not on Haque.

I can also smell the underlying sarcasm in the last paragraph of your post in which you have mentioned that if we are doing for the pleasure of Allah. Tell me what else could be a Muslims deeds for the pleasure of Allah Subhana Tala who calls other Muslims Brothers to stick to Qala Allah and Qala Rasool i.e. Koran and Sunnah rather than calling them to a particular school of thought which may or may not be based on Koran and Sunnah. If this is not for pleasure of Allah then what else should be?

Regards,

Faran Imam

boomboom

14-03-2010, 07:06 PM

Assalamualaikum

particular school of thought which may or may not be based on Koran and Sunnah

Forgive me i'm just a layman but even i recognise that all 4 schools of thought are based on the Quran and sunnah. Whether you follow a madhab or not is your choice but it's pretty provocative what you just suggested there.

Wassalam

'Abdullaah

14-03-2010, 08:51 PM

I can also smell the underlying sarcasm in the last paragraph of your post in which you have mentioned that if we are doing for the pleasure of Allah. Tell me what else could be a Muslims deeds for the pleasure of Allah Subhana Tala who calls other Muslims Brothers to stick to Qala Allah and Qala Rasool i.e. Koran and Sunnah rather than calling them to a particular school of thought which may or may not be based on Koran and Sunnah. If this is not for pleasure of Allah then what else should be?

Regards,

Faran Imam

:salam:

There was no sarcasm in the last paragraph brother faran.
Of course the greatest thing is to do what you have said: to get people connected to Allaah ta'ala, and to bring the Sunnah of Rasulullaah (pbuh) into your lives.

Discussions are good; it helps to learn from one another, correct one another, and love one another for the sake of Allaah ta'ala, and come to common terms and spread the deen with the same purpose. However, public discussions like this on an online forum hardly achieves this. In fact, the opposite happens. More than often, there is slandering taking place; sometimes ego takes preference over accepting the haq, etc.

In the end such threads just continue in bickering back and forth. That's why such discussions are done well over email, or in private settings. There is more chance of being open minded and accepting towards the truth.

And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

faran

15-03-2010, 04:44 AM

:salam:

There was no sarcasm in the last paragraph brother faran.
Of course the greatest thing is to do what you have said: to get people connected to Allaah ta'ala, and to bring the Sunnah of Rasulullaah (pbuh) into your lives.

Discussions are good; it helps to learn from one another, correct one another, and love one another for the sake of Allaah ta'ala, and come to common terms and spread the deen with the same purpose. However, public discussions like this on an online forum hardly achieves this. In fact, the opposite happens. More than often, there is slandering taking place; sometimes ego takes preference over accepting the haq, etc.

In the end such threads just continue in bickering back and forth. That's why such discussions are done well over email, or in private settings. There is more chance of being open minded and accepting towards the truth.

And Allaah knows best.
:salam:

Subhanallah Dear Brother Abdullah,

Congratulations!!!!

You have identified the problems correctly and solved the problem as well. Quote:[sometimes ego takes preference over accepting the haq].

I do not see any other reason/s except what you have pointed out which prevents us from accepting haq, uniting ourself and representing one ummah.And that is what the enemies of Islam want. They have clear cut objective to prevent us from uniting and establishing Khilafaf the biggest threat to western establishment the economic as well as social.

For more details refer to Khalid Yasin lecture on What the western society say about us.

Regards,

Faran Imam

faran

15-03-2010, 05:30 AM

Dear boomboom,
Food for Thought...................

Please think over this:

1. Who ordained you to follow one particular Madhab blindly. Any reference from Koran and Hadees.
2. How two opposites could be correct logically let alone Islamically.
3. If all four are on Haq then switching over from one madhab to another should be allowed whole heartedly
4. Most pious group among muslim ummah were sahabah undoutedly. What were they?
5. Will Allah question us on the day of judgement that why didn't we stick to one particular Madhab?
6. What Madhab will Eisa Ibne Maryam will follow when he comes near to Qiyamah?

Regards,

Faran Imam

'Abdullaah

15-03-2010, 08:01 AM

:salam:

Stick to topic please brothers.
The topic is on the book titled The Sealed Nectar.
If anyone has anything to contribute relating to the topic, post away; otherwise please take your other concerns in a different thread.
:jazak:
:salam:

faran

15-03-2010, 11:29 AM

Assalam alaikum W.W..

Some more food for thought..
So Which Salafi sect do I Follow blindly..? ( As each claims to be rightly guided)

1. Madakhali
2. Suroori
3. Hizbee
4. Qutubee
5. Ahle Hadees ( well these have been labelled as deviants by the Madakhalis )

need ur valuable suggestions..
wa assalam..

My dear Deeni Brother,

Where did I tell you to follow Salafi or Ahle Hadees and so and so. I simply said to follow Koran and Hadees. Alhamdolillah That is what I said. That is what our all the four Imams, our torch bearer, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafi, Imam Malik, Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (R.A) all of them are our fathers the great scholars But to follow them blindly is something Islam does not teaches us. You have to check. Allahamdolillah, If Allah has promised to preserve Koran the word of Allah at the same time HE the almighty also arranged to preserve Hadees, equally important part of Islamic edifice that makes this religion prominant than anyother religion of the world. So the entire Sharia has been preserved to the perfection. For more details read SiratuNabi by Shibli Nomani 2 Volumes and 4 volumes by Syed Sulaiman Nadwi RA. Read the Muqadma of this book. Also read the Muqadma of Muslim Sharif. So dear brother stick to Quran and Sunnah. That is what our prophet said. Taraktu Fi Kum Amrain Lam Tizallu Tamassukum Behima Kitabullah we Sunnati. You will never go astray as long as you hold Kitabullah and Sunnah of Prophet Mohammed. That is it, finish what else you need brother. Except Qalallah and Qalal Rasool.

Tonight when you go to bed lie down on your back put your hand on your heart and say to yourself and Pray Allah that I will not bring nafs in between to seek truth and accept the truth.Pray Allah to guide you and show you the truth. and take resolution that oh Allah come what may... If any Sahih Hadees comes to me even though it runs counter to the saying of my Imam whom I follow Oh Allah I will accept the saying of Prophet Mohammed SAW.

May Allah help all of us to show the right path Sarate Mustaqeem Amen.

If anything I said wrong is from Satan Laeen. May Allah forgive me and show me the truth and raise me among the winners on the day of Qiyamah. Oh Allah forgive our sins and make us one ummah unite us all oh Allah.

Faran Imam

Salman_Hanafi

16-03-2010, 09:13 PM

Moving over your useless debates of madhab or no madhab and getting back to the topic

The Sealed Nectar stands out on authenticity and it won the first prize in a competition held at Jeddah...I am not saying that the other books are inauthentic..plz

I have read the book and it covers the events that occured in the life of the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) ...All the battles are discussed in detail..So its a good read for someone looking to gain some knowledge about the military campaigns...One of the members mentioned this before and i also agree that the book does not discuss the blessed character and person of Hazrat Muhammad (Salallahu alaihe Wassalam) in sufficient detail...I would recommend it for people who want to learn about the events and battles...And anyone plz tell me about an authentic seerah book that describes the character of Our Beloved Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) in detail...JazakAllah Khair

wael

16-03-2010, 09:57 PM

It's a wonderful book and it's really nice that it can be read online in so many places, free of charge.

faran

17-03-2010, 01:51 PM

Assalam alaikum W.W..

Alhamdulillah .. Ive never followed the Bible or Gospels for u to tell me to stick to the Quran and Hadees.
as for preserving deen Allah has preserved it in whole..Qur'an.. hadees and sunnah of the beloved of Allah (SAW) throught the ages from sahabah to taba'een to the present day through his chosen few who burnt their happiness for the sake of deen..
who carried the torch of Islam through thick and thin.. through the time of khawarij..mutazalites.. noorites.. batinites..rawafidh.. qadiyanis..barelwis and still hold steadfast in modern day of fitna where the jews inspired fitna of salafism loom large..who like since the time of thier prophet Musa ( Alaih salam) continue to doubt and question and ask dalael regarding deen creating fitnah, dividing the Ummah..
Alhamdulillah.. Ive read almost the entire Muslim Sharif in my college days so I dont understand whose muqaddama u want me to read...
So when I go to Bed tonight Insha Allah I shall make dua that Allah save us all from the fitnah of the salafees and other fitteen and guide us all on the path of salaf saliheen..Ameen..
ur ranting of " blindly following madhab' has been answered in many threads.. kindly use the search option..
also ur saying of not prompting me to follow salafism surprised me and I begin to think whether salafees have now adopted ' talqiya' as well..
as for the sealed nectar .. It doesnt Impress me much especially since it was written by a salafee..
Ive read the seerah 'Muhammadur rasulullah' (saw)..by Hazrat Maulana syed Abul Hassan Ali Nadwi (rah) and find it really aweinspiring..and plan to read the one by Hazrat Maulana Idrees Kandhalwi (rah) insha Allah..
try and read the 'saviours of Islamic spirit' by Hazrat maulana Abul Hassan Ali Nadwi (rah) and u shall gain much of authentic Islamic history Insha Allah..
u can carry ur discussion of salafism elsewhere in the taqlid thread and respect the brother's request..

wa assalam..

Dear Brother,

You reply is nothing but the repeatation of my earlier posts on this subject and doesnot carry any substance. And sorry to tell you that you lack depth in Islamic Knowledge, and especially Islamic History, You need to read more.

However, there are some interesting conclusion I could make from your post which are as under:

1. At least this much understanding you have that you do not follow Bible or Gospel, 10 points to you for this. Otherwise, if some agent (in the guise of Muslim Ulema or orientalist)ask you to follow this you should not doubt and ask for the daleel from Koran and Hadees as asking daleel is a fitna.

2. Who so ever fought against those fitna and/or deviant sects as you have mentioned above obviuosly would not know about daleel from Koran and Sunnah as asking daleel is fitna.

3.Salafees are the greatest fitnah of this age and you want to save yourself from this fitna.

4. You want to follow the salf e saleheen as they were the rightous muslim. And hence they had never sought for Daleel from Quran and Sunnah.

5. Since I invited you to stick to Quran and Hadees at the same time not asking you to follow Salafism surprised you. You said this is taqiya on my part. But then by saying this you agree that salafi dawah is a dawah of Quran and Hadees and salafee dawah is a fitna, So any dawah which is based on Quran and Hadees is the greatest fitna of this time.

6. Al Raheequl Makhtoom did not impress you much because it was written by a Salafi. That means if the same book had been written by any other person who is not salafi would have impressed you.

7. Brother has read Saheeh Muslim when he was in College. It was read once so no need to read it again.

I do not understand that why our own people are so blockhead and stupid. I do lots of dawah among Hindus and Christians but never found them asking and saying such stupid things. They ask smart questions which I answer through their own scriptures. But before reversion to Islam some of them do ask which Islam shoul he convert to, Sunni, Shia,Hanafi, Shafi, Hanbli Maliki, Ahle hadees, Salafi etc. I simply tell them follow Quran and Hadees and be a Muslim. Our prophet was a Muslim Our Sahabas wrre Muslims, All the prophets for that matter were Muslim they all followed the wahi of Allah. To us wahi are Quran and Hadees so follows these two and be a muslim it is as simple as that.

We need to read more, understand more and develop intelectually and in every walk of life. We must be ahead in Science, Technology, Chemistry, Minerals, Physics, Eng, Medical, Biotechnology and all of them. But if you fight among yourself you will be overcome by the enemies of Islam. And you will lag behind every field of life, And the only way to unite the ummah is by sticking to Quran and Hadees. There is no other methodology as far as I feel. If you have some other then please let me know.

May Allah guide us for the haq and unite us all.

If you want to discuss some where else please let me know or mail me faranimam@hotmail.com to continue the discussion if you want.

Regards,

Faran Imam

'Abdullaah

17-03-2010, 08:44 PM

:salam:

Seriously brothers, enough with your personal insults. I mean you think such posts are really helping out your imaan and pleasing Allaah ta'ala?
Sometimes brothers just need to stop replying.

:jazak:
:salam:

faran

19-03-2010, 06:37 AM

Assalam alaikum W.W..

Summing up all ur nonsensical points and yahood backed propaganda agaisnt ahlus sunnah wal jamaat..Uve finally come out with ur true colours.. I dunno when u guys shall grow out of this silly self imposed selfrighteos attitude and study deen under someone who has sanad in Hadees instead of following ur own albanian whims and fancies. I guess ur better off with ur pals .. hindus and christians rather than ' block headed' ahlus sunnah wal Jamat' ..anyway u shall be raised with whom u profess ur luv and thts entirely ur business. and just to tell u a fact. we have reverted an entire village of murtads back to Islam Alhamdulillah and reverted few hindus too.. and we dont shout about it.. and since they were not as 'smart' as ur pals they accepted Islam 'blindly' without asking stupid questions..and some of them dont miss tahajjud masha allah..
and u neednt feel sorry for my lack of indepth islamic knowledge and history since I myself feel i know nothing and turn to the rightly guided ulema ( read deoband) and books written by them..than reading hindu scriptures which u so much fantasise..
May Allah guide u on the straight path and request u to follow on a salafi discussion thread..

wa assalam..

HUM AAH BHI KARTE HAIN TO HO JATE HAIN BADNAM : WOH QATL BHI KARTE HAIN TO CHARCHA NAHIN HOTA

Are Doc sahab aap to bilkul hi naraz ho gaye. Lagta hain kisi dukhti rag pe maine haath rakh diya.Darasal aapka maidan monazra nahin hai aap is maidan ke khiladi hai hi nahi is maidan mein dalael ki zaroorat hoti hai jo aap ke paas hai nahi. Aap ka maidan CHILLA hai Chilla. Wahin haath mariye aapki sehat aur tandooristee ke liye behtar hai.

Waise maine aapko salah di thi chit letne ki lagta hai aap pat let gaye aur ye bhi kaha tha ke haath sine pe rakhiye ga bilkul dil ke paas aap ne pata nahin kahan rakh diya. Agar aap ne meri salah mani hoti to ye noubat nahin aati aur thande dil se sonchte aur apne nafs ko are nahin aane dete. Agli baar meri salah manye aur dekhye uska natija.

Rahi baat aapke ek pure gaon ko musalman karne ki, to aap ta hayat aisa nahin ker sakte aap kya aap ke sare akabare deoband bhi apni puri taqat laga lein to ye namumkin hai. Samjhe janab. Isi liye kahta hun ki deobandiyon ke paas dimagh aur aql ki kamin hoti hai woh iska istamal hi nahin jante hain woh apne dimagh ko apne chand jahil kath mullaon ke hawale kar detein hain phir ye kathmulle aapke dimaghon pe jaise chahe tasarruf karein aapke mathein pe shikan tak nahin aati hai. In kathmullaon ne aapki kitni maon aur behnon ke saath zina kya hai puri dunya janti hai aur aap uf tak nahin karte. Pura ka Pura Halala Centre khol ke bhaite hain kham maal supply karte han aapke afsaran ko pura network hai ummete muslima ki pakdaman khatoon ki izzat ke sath khilwar karne ka. Shia ne Muta ko hilal kya aapne halala ke naam per mote mote saand pal rakhe hain. Pehle in markaozon ko band karao phir hamen galyan dena. Samjhe janab. Abhi ke liye itna kaafi hai warna hamare Abdullah bhai naraz ho jaenge aur main unhe naraz nahin karna chahta kyonke wahi ek wahid shaks hain is pure forum mein jo suljhe zihan ke hain.

Meri manon doc sb aap is maidan se firar ikhteyar karo isi mein aap ki bhalai hai warna agar munh kholwaoge to munh ki khani padegi. Ya phir do apna mail id uspe bhejte hain jawab 'shayed ke tere dil mein utar jaye meri baat'

Faran Imam