The commonly recited "Dua of Tarawih" is not Sunnah

[Naseeha]

assalamualkium

i was looking for the dua that you read between for four rkaats in taraweeh.so i can print it for the mosque..but i cant find it anywhere?
jazakallah

[radius]

dua for taraweeh

[Naseeha]

jazakallah so much!

[Husain]

Please note that there is absolutely no basis for this dua from the Ahadith.

Why specify a certain dua which has no special proven virtue, when a person can make any zikr or dua?

[Saad]

Please note that there is absolutely no basis for this dua from the Ahadith.

Why specify a certain dua which has no special proven virtue, when a person can make any zikr or dua?

Maulana Sahib how is it to recite it loud after 4 rakaats? or in hearts?

Is this dua proven from Sahabas?

[Hamood]

Please note that there is absolutely no basis for this dua from the Ahadith.

Why specify a certain dua which has no special proven virtue, when a person can make any zikr or dua?

:salam:,

Interesting. I wasn't aware that this dua wasn't proven from Hadith.

They were just putting up big posters of the dua in my Masjid.

[Husain]

Maulana Sahib how is it to recite it loud after 4 rakaats? or in hearts?

Is this dua proven from Sahabas?

It would be incorrect to make it a practice of reciting it in unison. It could be done a few times if the intention is to teach the people.

We have been unable to find any trace of this dua in the books of hadith, not even from a Sahabi :anhu:

[abuhajira]

:salam:

In fact I asked mufti Kadwa about this dua 2 days back.. He said the same that it is not proven to be masnoon. So why make a big fuss over it..

He then said, what is masnoon is to sit for the same amount as that of the 4 Rakah you just read... Now lets do that instead :)

:ws:

[ENIGMA]

I was wondering myself and was gonna ask here with regards to that dua. I dont tend to pray it as I heard too as it has no basis in relation to sunnah. Good to know that some one here has also confirmed it.

So the question is, where does it originate from?

[Husain]

Some pious person probably saw people remaining silent between every 4 Rakat, so he decided to give them something to read instead.

While he probably never thought that it will be later considered sunnah, people continued practising on it, until it became accepted as "The sunnah dua for Tarawih".

The last part of it is really interesting.
It isn't even Arabic!

الصلاة بَرْ محمد

Seems more like Farsi (?)

[ENIGMA]

So do you not think that this should be told to the people? I understand that they may think if they dont pray this then people might start talking,so better to pray something.

But as scholars, do you, as a scholar yourself, not think that it should be addressed. As I said, i've not been praying it and getting it clarified has put my mind at ease.

[Husain]

Issues of this type are very sensitive and need to be handled with wisdom.

Firstly, because those propagating the dua very often are Ulama. If one starts telling people that this is not sunnah, they will either not listen to you at all, because their Alim taught them otherwise, or if they listen to you, it will be at the expense of that Alim's credibility.

Secondly, there are many people who fiercely believe in holding onto whatever was passed down to them from their forefathers, regardless of whether that action has any basis in the Shariah or not.

The ideal plan of action would be for issues of this sort to be brought to the attention of the different Ulama and Imams in a manner conducive to their accepting and not rejecting it.
They can then undertake the task of educating their respective communities in a suitable manner.

The Yahoo Ulama group is a small step in that direction.

[Hamood]

Some pious person probably saw people remaining silent between every 4 Rakat, so he decided to give them something to read instead.

While he probably never thought that it will be later considered sunnah, people continued practising on it, until it became accepted as "The sunnah dua for Tarawih".

The last part of it is really interesting.
It isn't even Arabic!

الصلاة بَرْ محمد

Seems more like Farsi (?)

:salam:,

In the back of my mind, I sort of did want to know the origins of this Dua but never questioned it due to the fact practically so many 'Ulama recite, encourage and post it in masjids!



Issues of this type are very sensitive and need to be handled with wisdom.

Firstly, because those propagating the dua very often are Ulama. If one starts telling people that this is not sunnah, they will either not listen to you at all, because their Alim taught them otherwise, or if they listen to you, it will be at the expense of that Alim's credibility.

Secondly, there are many people who fiercely believe in holding onto whatever was passed down to them from their forefathers, regardless of whether that action has any basis in the Shariah or not.


In fact a friend relates to me that in his masjid individuals are highly encouraged to memorize this and he says that those who are not able to recite this from memory are looked down upon, hence he says the whole effort to stick extra large posters of the Dua in Ramadan!



The ideal plan of action would be for issues of this sort to be brought to the attention of the different Ulama and Imams in a manner conducive to their accepting and not rejecting it.
They can then undertake the task of educating their respective communities in a suitable manner.

The Yahoo Ulama group is a small step in that direction.


Alhamdulillah, that's good to hear.

[adil al mujahid]

People in certain mosques in India praise the four Ameer ul Mumineen in between the four rakaahs and if you dont you are frowned upon!! I wonder where they got that from.

Other than that after Taravih is done, some kids and young lads go to the mike all call out "As Salaatu Was Salaamun Alayk" and something else with it.
Now I wonder what that would be!

[Sunni_Student786]

...
The Yahoo Ulama group is a small step in that direction.

What is that exactly?

[Hamood]

What is that exactly?

It is a private invitation-only yahoo group for scholars similar to other yahoo groups out there for e.g., shaykh Gibril's sunna principles group, etc.

[Waleeja]

I was talking to a sister a few days back, who told me I was in the wrong for missing it out... because it was wajib!

[boomboom]

I was wondering myself and was gonna ask here with regards to that dua. I dont tend to pray it as I heard too as it has no basis in relation to sunnah. Good to know that some one here has also confirmed it.

So the question is, where does it originate from?


SalaamBrothers and sisters

Without naming any names or places... Co-incidentally the imam at our mosque explained the origin of this dua or tasbeeh as they call it only yesterday evening. I'm only relating what he said...

Hazrat Ibrahim AS was shperding his herds of cattle/sheep/goats etc when an angel appeared and began to recite this dua. Hazrat Ibrahim found this to be such a heart wrenching and sweet dua that he asked the angel to recite it again. The angel would not recite it again untilHazrat Ibrahim AS gave something of his own to the angel. tock until Hazrat Ibrahim AS had nothing more left to give.

Hazrat Ibrahim AS said to the angel that he would give all his livestock just to hear the dua again. And thus it happened.Hazrat Ibrahim AS gave up some of his livestock just to hear the dua again. This took place several times where the angel was asked to recite in return for more livestock until Hazrat Ibrahim AS had nothing more left to give.

Upon asking the angel to recite it again the angel replied that you have nothing left to give to me. What could you possibly offer me now in return for another recitation?

Hazrat Ibrahim AS replied that he would become a sheperd for the angel and take careof the livestock just to hear the dua again.

Like I said I am only relating the imam's speech. I don't know how true it is if at all. It doesn't explain the relation between the taraweeh prayers and the dua itself but if the above is a sound narration then it would explain the origins.

Wassalam

[Husain]

It is a private invitation-only yahoo group for scholars similar to other yahoo groups out there for e.g., shaykh Gibril's sunna principles group, etc.

:salam:
A small correction.
It isn't by invitation. Any Alim can join up. He just has to go to the homepage:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_ulama/

and sign up.
He will have to prove that he has qualified from a bona-fide Madrasah.

[Husain]

Without naming any names or places... Co-incidentally the imam at our mosque explained the origin of this dua or tasbeeh as they call it only yesterday evening. I'm only relating what he said...

Could you ask your imam for the source please?

[xs11ax]

myself and a few friends brought up this 'dua' issue including other issues a few years ago in our local community.

the response that we had was the ulama did not want to make a stand as they did not want to lose their positions in the mosque and community even though they new what was right.

we were labeled as trouble makers and deviants to keep others away from us.


this reminds me of another issue. a so called 'dua' that i was beaten for many times for getting it wrong in maktab. the said 'dua' was the niyat to be made for each salaat. i found it really difficult as a kid, as we didnt speak urdu in our home and the dua had to be learnt in urdu while the urdu speaking kids found it easy!

[ENIGMA]

The dua may be sound but what is the connection to the taraweeh prayers, is was I would like to know.

Brother X, sad to hear the ulema not backing you up, and trying to rectify the mistakes of the community. But can understand as we all know how certain communities work in relation to the imam and treat them like a lackey.

[beespreeteam]

cool, you learn something new everyday

[boomboom]

Could you ask your imam for the source please?

I will. But i wouldn't hold my breath. When questioning something I'm normally told that certain things are decided by concensus of the ulema in the community for the benefit of the worshippers.

I recently questioned the folding of hands and placing them on the knees during jummah khutbah. Not to cause trouble but to get an understanding. I was told the same thing then. That the ulema have decided it is necesarry do do these actions in order for the worshipper to be able to concentrate on the Khutbah only. I was not given any sources for these actions during a khutbah.

However, i think another brother has alrteady posted the story with the book it was taken from.

[muddsar]

Mufti Abdur-Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera states on White Thread Press's resources page



The words of this dua have been taken from various narrations and have been collected together by scholars for reading in the rest periods during Tarawih prayer.


White Thread Press's Resource Page: http://www.whitethreadpress.com/resources/index.htm

Direct Link to Dua (With Quote from Mufti Sahib):
http://www.whitethreadpress.com/resources/tasbih_tarawih_small.pdf

[Husain]

The words of this dua have been taken from various narrations and have been collected together by scholars for reading in the rest periods during Tarawih prayer.

That is exactly what has been mentioned here.
There is no proof for the dua as a whole in the sunnah and more importantly, no basis for stipulating it as the dua to be recited in tarawih.

Yes, some Fuqaha mentioned it in their books- just as they mentioned kissing the thumbs during azan- but even they (to the best of my knowledge) did not classify it as sunnah or mustahab.

In most of our Masajid here in South Africa, it was a practice to recite the third kalimah - in unison- after every 4 rak'at and istighfar after the 20th rak'at.
This was due to the Barelvi influence in our masajid.

Alhamdulillah, our senior Ulama - using tact and wisdom - slowly got rid of this practice, until nearly all our masajid are free of it now. Even the reciting of this "Tarawih dua" has stopped.People now recite whatever tasbih they wish to.

Why stipulate a tasbih that has no sound basis, when there are so many tasbihat mentioned in the ahadith, through which people could accrue huge rewards.

However, the following should be borne in mind, as already mentioned:

"Issues of this type are very sensitive and need to be handled with wisdom.

Firstly, because those propagating the dua very often are Ulama. If one starts telling people that this is not sunnah, they will either not listen to you at all, because their Alim taught them otherwise, or if they listen to you, it will be at the expense of that Alim's credibility.

Secondly, there are many people who fiercely believe in holding onto whatever was passed down to them from their forefathers, regardless of whether that action has any basis in the Shariah or not.

The ideal plan of action would be for issues of this sort to be brought to the attention of the different Ulama and Imams in a manner conducive to their accepting and not rejecting it.
They can then undertake the task of educating their respective communities in a suitable manner.

The Yahoo Ulama group is a small step in that direction."

And Allah Ta'ala knows best

[Naseeha]

jazakallah for clarifying that

[Hamood]

Hakim al-Umma Hadhrat Mawlana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said,

“There is no fixed form of dhikr in the interval between each four units of taraweeh(tarweeha) as per Shariah. I recite salutations on the Prophet of Allah (may Allah bless and give him peace). In my personal opinion this is best. I recite it twenty five times (in a soft audible voice) so that if anyone has to do some necessary activity, like drink water, he will be able to rejoin the prayers (salah) before we restart.”

Source: http://www.ashrafiya.com/2007/09/26/dhikr-between-each-four-units-of-taraweeh/

[alfatiha]

:salam:

any dua after prayer is a dua. why make a fuss? those are two completely seperate acts. And I concur with the opinion above.

[Hamood]

I felt really good after reading what Hakim al-Umma Mawlana Thanawi mentioned. I usually recite salawat upon the prophet 20 times after 4 rakats so that by the end I have 100 ... and subhanAllah look what Mawlana Thanawi used to do!

[Saad]

Hakim al-Umma Hadhrat Mawlana Ashraf ‘Ali Thanawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said,

“There is no fixed form of dhikr in the interval between each four units of taraweeh(tarweeha) as per Shariah. I recite salutations on the Prophet of Allah (may Allah bless and give him peace). In my personal opinion this is best. I recite it twenty five times (in a soft audible voice) so that if anyone has to do some necessary activity, like drink water, he will be able to rejoin the prayers (salah) before we restart.”

Source: http://www.ashrafiya.com/2007/09/26/dhikr-between-each-four-units-of-taraweeh/

:jazak:

[nik61]

Maulana Sahib how is it to recite it loud after 4 rakaats? or in hearts?

Is this dua proven from Sahabas?

Correct me if I'm wrong but from what you have said above, does it mean that you only read dua if it is proven to be from a Sahabi? Does it mean you won't read dua from ulama after the Sahabas?

[amjedm]

:salam:

I've seen posters in some Masajid in Birmingham with the dua,. but :alhamd: not one in our Masjid.

I don't know the dua and :alhamd: used to recite Darud Shareef.

:ws:

[True Life]

:salam:

More on this issue... (http://truelife200vi.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/taraweeh-in-detail.pdf#page=14)

[Mabsut]

Ibn Abidin mentions in his Hashiya:

About the tasbih; Quhistani has said: " It is said 3 times: 'Subhanazilmulki walmalakut. Subhanazil izzati wal azamati wal qudrati wal kibriyai wal djabarut. Subhanal malikalhiyallazi la yamutu. Subbuhu quddusun rabbul malaikati war'ruhi. Lailaha illallah. Nastaghfirullah nas'alukal djannata wa'nauzu bika min'annar.' It is said in Minhaj ul Ibad like this.

[suleimanibnsalim]

Bismillah...

Assalamualaikum wa Rahmatullah...

If one is aware that it is not Sunnah, would it be permissible to recite Salawat, praise the four Khalifah's between every four Rakahs. This has been the traditional method in many places, such as the old Makkah - before the Sauds - , Yemen, Malaysia, Indonesia...

Wassalam

[qibla]

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
So bros whats the latest on this??
JazakaAllah.

[Khali]

The last part of it is really interesting.
It isn't even Arabic!

الصلاة بَرْ محمد

Seems more like Farsi (?)

No wonder then that al-Quhustani did mentioned in Jami ur Rumuz.

[hozaifah786]

What is that exactly?

Exact samething I was thinking shouldn't we be careful when using the internet for Islam. I checked these forums multiple times before joining. What is this Yahoo Ulama I dont believe that an Ulama can sit at home and use Yahoo to advise people. Whereas this is different, it is regulated by Ulamas which is different, so people who dont tell truth etc.. can be kicked. Get my point or not I do nt like the idea of this Yahoo Ulama or Google for that fact, Google is the worst thing u can ever check on for Islamic knowledge. Hope this helps others decide too.

Also I read this duaa, yes it might not be Sunnah but it is better than just sitting there, I would rather praise the Almighty Allah. Jazakallah for reading. no hard feelings brothers and sisters. :)

[mh16388]

Issues of this type are very sensitive and need to be handled with wisdom.

Firstly, because those propagating the dua very often are Ulama. If one starts telling people that this is not sunnah, they will either not listen to you at all, because their Alim taught them otherwise, or if they listen to you, it will be at the expense of that Alim's credibility.

Secondly, there are many people who fiercely believe in holding onto whatever was passed down to them from their forefathers, regardless of whether that action has any basis in the Shariah or not.

The ideal plan of action would be for issues of this sort to be brought to the attention of the different Ulama and Imams in a manner conducive to their accepting and not rejecting it.
They can then undertake the task of educating their respective communities in a suitable manner.

The Yahoo Ulama group is a small step in that direction.

aoa.
yes this is exactly why i dont take on face value what the ulema around me tell me. i go and look it up as much as i can. sadly many muslims view this as heresy and ask me repeatedly that do i think im better than an alim in knowledge?
unfortunately many imams of local mosques dont use Internet. but they maintain this dua is sunnah. waht to do about them?:(