Eid Mabrook - 21 Fri, Jan 2005

[YaNabi]

EID UL ADHA 1425 IS ON FRIDAY 21ST JANUARY 2005 ACROSS NORTH AMERICA!!

By the grace of the Almighty and the countless blessings of Our Noble Master Sallalahu Alaihi Wassallam the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah will be celebrating Eid-Ul Adha on Friday 21st Jan 2005 all over the world UNITED.

May we celebrate forthcoming Eids UNITED so that we can be united in all issues large or small, AMEEN

To obtain the scientific facts scroll to the bottom of the message and follow instructions.

Two Undisputed Scientific Facts:

New Moon Birth Date & Time:

London - Monday 10th Jan 2005 1203 GMT
Mecca (Saudi Arabia) - Monday 10th Jan 2005 1503 Saudi Local Time

Visibility of the new moon is impossible even with a telescope if the new moon disappears from the horizon before sunset.


New moon visibility Data from Greenwich Royal Observatory:

London:

Mon 10th Jan 2005- Not visible at all , the new moon disappeared from the horizon 29 minutes before sunset.

Tue 11th Jan 2005 - Visible under good conditions , the new moon remained on the horizon 63 minutes after sunset.


Toronto:

Mon 10th Jan 2005 - Moon not visible at all, below the danjon limit
Mon 11th Jan 2005 - Moon easily visible, remained on the horizon 87 minutes after the sunset.


Mecca (Saudi Arabia):

Mon 10th Jan 2005 - Not visible at all , the new moon disappeared from the horizon 3 minutes before sunset.

Tue 11th Jan 2005 - Easily visible, the new moon remained on the horizon 68 minutes after sunset.


New moon visibility Data from Moonsighting.com:

Mon 10th Jan 2005
The visibility curves graphically show that nowhere in the world was it possible to view the moon on Mon 10th Jan 2005.

Tue 11th Jan 2005-The visibility of the new moon wolud be easily visible in the majority of the world.


Eid decision based on the scientific data:

The new moon which was born on Monday 10th Jan 2005 was impossible to view even with a telescope on Monday 10th Jan as it disappeared from the horizon before sunset everywhere.

Therefore the 1st Zul Haj will be Wed 13th Jan 2005.
Accordingly 10th Zul Haj will be Fri 21st Jan 2005.


If your doing Eid on Thu 20th Jan 2005, Questions to ask yourself:

How was the decision made?

There must have been a moonsighting as it was seen on the 29th Zul-Qaida (Mon 10th Jan) otherwise it would have been 30th Zul-Qaida the next day.

If so at what time exactly? and which geographic location?

How can a decision be reversed 5 days after it was announced? how can a 5 day gap reveal any new data or reveal a moon sighting?

Science is used to calculate and compile namaz/salat timetables (advanced sunset/sunrise times, why is it not used to assist Eid decisions?

The Greenwich Royal Observatory have a site which can calculate and evaluate the level of visibility of the new moon anywhere in the world. The site is a very simple to use the link is given below:


http://websurf.nao.rl.ac.uk/

- click on the Moon_Viz option given on the left-side menu.
- specify the name of the place you wish to find data about ie. Mecca.
- it will produce a latitude/longitude reference, if this is correct click on the name of the place.
- then select a period of interest ie. 9th Oct 2004 to 17th Oct 2004, click OK.
- the data will be produced, the far right column is the IMPORTANT one this evaluates the ease of visibility.


A Muslim scientist Khalid Shaukat (an advisor to the ISNA, Islamic Society of North America) on his website shows graphically the new moon visibilty. He has confirmed that Eid is on 21st Friday, Jan 2005
http://www.moonsighting.com


All the Sites Below have declared Eid to be on Jan 21st Fri, 2005

http://www.hilaalcommittee.com
http://www.hilal-sighting.com
http://www.shariahboard.com
http://www.zaytuna.org
http://www.islamicfoundation.ca

[Yaseen]

Jazakallah Khair for providing some very interesting facts.

May Allah ta'ala give us the taufeeq to follow haqq.

[Sadiq]

Im sure, Eid has been official announced to be on Thursday in the UK.

Three Main mosques/org: Central Mosque, East London Mosque, MCB have all said it.

Can someone confirm this. I havent seen any news on their respected websites.

[Live for Islam]

Im sure, Eid has been official announced to be on Thursday in the UK.

Three Main mosques/org: Central Mosque, East London Mosque, MCB have all said it.

Can someone confirm this. I havent seen any news on their respected websites.

Ditto. That goes for most of our Masajid here in Leicester, Eid shall be celebrated on Thursday 20th January.

Wallahu Alam

Wassalam.

[Idrees]

Yeh, thursday in Uk in my area aswell

[LaAdree]

The standing and worship in the plain of Arafat, which marks the climax of Hajj, will this year take place on Wednesday 19th January according to an official statement from authorities in Saudia Arabia (Dhul Hijjah 9). Eid Al-Adha prayers are being held in mosques in the UK on both Thursday 20th January and Friday 21st January.

The UK Ruiyate Hilal Committee meeting on Sunday 16th January at the Tooting Islamic Centre, acknowledged that differences of opinion would be respected and the matter would be left to each mosque to announce its Eid arrangements. Further information can be obtained from the Committee's Secretary Aslam Ijaz on 07931 357720.

My locals are celebrating Friday...

[abdushakur]

Eid Al-Adha prayers are being held in mosques in the UK on both Thursday 20th January and Friday 21st January.

The UK Ruiyate Hilal Committee meeting on Sunday 16th January at the Tooting Islamic Centre, acknowledged that differences of opinion would be respected and the matter would be left to each mosque to announce its Eid arrangements.


mashallah words of wisdom in a sea of confusion.

its Eid on Friday in my locale.

[Iqbal Muhammad Raakin]

Assalamu 'Alaikum. A fourth confirmation here. Eid is on thursday in the UK. I heard it in two masjids. Jazakallahu khair.

[Yaseen]

Assalamu 'Alaikum. A fourth confirmation here. Eid is on thursday in the UK. I heard it in two masjids. Jazakallahu khair.

Salaam

Indeed a lot of Muslims have followed Saudi but not all. In bradford there are a lot of Muslims who are celebrating eid on Friday.

Wasalaam

[abdul518ca]

Eid is on Friday here in Edmoton. 3 of the 6 Masajid may hold it on Thursaday, as they're are under Arab-influence.

I'm not being racist, but for the last 5 or so years, the Arab Masjid(al-Rashid) has refused to pray with us. Last year, we agreed to give them 100% of the donations collected, but they still wouldn't agree. :rolleyes:

[dude001]

asalaamu alaykum

in bradford the bravli mosques are celebrating on a friday and the rest are celebrating on thurday. So its about 50/50.

asalaamu alaykum

[Raeesa]

Yeah from my understanding Barelvi mosques tend to celebrate eid a day after....

[Idrees]

Yeh thats true , in bradford it only the berelwi mosques doing it on friday.
& yeh Raeesa they always seem to do 1 day after, i dunno wot way they do the moonsighting (does anyone knowtheir method?) but as far as i know they dont follow saudi like us.

[naeem_s]

Assalamu Alaykum

I'm new to this forum, look forward to chatting to you all.

I'm muslim, but if you have to put me in a box then you might put me in the Brailvy one.


does anyone know their method?
last time I checked it was Islam.

as far as i know they dont follow saudi.
thank god

OK, this issue is a tiresome one, do we really have to go through this every year.

It just doesn't make sense, to me at least, to follow Saudi in this matter. We just need to have a look at the practice of the Muslims throughout the times to come to the conclusion that the decleration of Eid should be made according to local observations of the moon.

Let's give Mufti Taqi Usmani the final word:
http://www.moonsighting.com/tusmani.html

Oh Allah, Guide us to the truth, Ameen.

[Idrees]

Salaam

I'm muslim, but if you have to put me in a box then you might put me in the Brailvy one.
Although it may sound like i'm sayin stuff bad about barelwis, i'm not , i should have worded it different. Sorry, Forgive me (You dont have to be put in a box)


does anyone know their method?

last time I checked it was Islam.
Bro, without doubt islam, but i didnt mean like that i was referring to how they calculate the new islamic month.


It just doesn't make sense, to me at least, to follow Saudi in this matter. We just need to have a look at the practice of the Muslims throughout the times to come to the conclusion that the decleration of Eid should be made according to local observations of the moon.

Yes, that is what you are suppose to do, but in uk it is difficult to see the moon on its first day, that is why you are suppose to follow the next muslim country when its difficult to see,which is morrocco but then they was problems in following morrocco years ago i.e. time difference , and false info, so people changed to Saudi and followed them which they do up until now.
So the only way i can think, you are doing it , if you say they follow Uk moon , is according to astronomical calculations and not actually seeing the moon with your own eyes.

[abdul518ca]

The Barewali people in our city celebrated eid a day after we did it(we followed Saudi last time).

You have to understand that Barewalis are hardcore-Wahhabi-bashers. They don't like to do anything which conforms to the Wahhabi regime in Saudia Arabia. On ***********, one of their scholars gave a full-fledged refutaion of the recent change in the Saudi decision for Eid. (btw, I agree with them on this).

This is not a fault in the Barewali system, they follow the moon, not the false Saudi gov. Most of the Masajid tend to follow the Saudi, so the Barewali eid is almost always on a different.

[Idrees]

This is not a fault in the Barewali system, they follow the moon, not the false Saudi gov. Most of the Masajid tend to follow the Saudi, so the Barewali eid is almost always on a different.

Salaam
Bro
As far as i know its difficult to see the moon on the first day of a islamic month in UK. So
Can you tell me how you follow the moon in the Uk?
If you cant see it on the first of the month?
This question has always been in my head and i dont seem to get a answer for it.
Maybe the scholars can answer but it still maybe hard for them as i dont think they live in UK.

[Yaseen]

Asalamu'alykum

The official policy of the so-called barelvi mosques is to follow the shahaadat of any Muslim country including Saudi. However the sighting has to be justifiable. For example it is impossible that anyone could have sighted the moon last Monday as it was newly-born and impossible to have been seen anywhere in the world. Indeed this was the basis upon which Saudi announced eid-ul-adha to be on Friday. Yet somehow 5 days later the claim to have two witnesses who sighted the moon on Monday despite it being impossible.

Another thing I have noticed as regards the Deobandi 'ulama is that those in countries other than the UK do not follow Saudi but commitees who base their decision on moonsighting. I have observed as a result they almost always end up celebrating eid with those who do not follow Saudi.

I think it isn't a case of the barelvis doing it a day after it is a case of Saudi using a flawed method which means they seem to view the moon a day before any other countries-the moon is always born a day before it is actually visible thus I am sure the Eid-ul-Adha date was heavily influenced by the fact the moon was born on Monday 10th Jan. Also bear in mind all the countries surrounding Saudi did not sight the moon until Tuesday 11th Jan.

I know an Imam from a Deobandi mosque in Bradford who shall remain nameless who admitted that the Saudis wrongly started Ramadhaan a day early as their decision was solely based on the birth of the moon.

I think the Deobandi mosques need to adopt another method to help us ensure we have one eid. Otherwise I frankly cannot see us having one eid so long as the Deobandi 'ulama continue following the Saudis whose methodology is dubious to say the least. Why not follow Morrocco or another country who actually go and look for the moon. For the record they sighted the moon on Tuesday 11th Jan making 10 Dhul Hijjah Friday.

Eid Mubaraak in advance regardless of when you are celebrating it.

Wasalaam

Wasalaam

[VeiledOne]

Another thing I have noticed as regards the Deobandi 'ulama is that those in countries other than the UK do not follow Saudi but commitees who base their decision on moonsighting. I have observed as a result they almost always end up celebrating eid with those who do not follow Saudi.

Yes, the Deobandi Ulema in the U.S. do local sighting. There are some ppl who are doing Eid here on Thursday, because they are blindly following Saudi in this matter. However, I don't think they are any Deobandi Ulema who are celebrating on Thursday.

Here are most of the organization and committees doing it on Friday

http://moonsighting.com/

http://moonsighting.com/tusmani.html

http://shariahboard.com/

http://www.zaytuna.org/

http://isna.net/

[IlyasLahoz]

Message For Dhul Hijja and Eid al-Adha 2005 (http://www.zaytuna.org/articleDetails.asp?articleID=68)

By Imam Zaid Shakir

Please make special note of section 2, which begins: "Our decision to base our timing of ‘Eid al-‘Adha on confirmed North American crescent sightings..."

[abdul518ca]

Thanks to the Saudis, once again, our city will have 2 Eids on 2 different days, in 3 different locations. :frown:

[abdushakur]

it is true that if you took the saudi authority out of the equation you would get a lot less confusion.

they seem to be able sight the unsightable.

also if a person is confused as when to celebrate/pray eid then it is recommended to follow the consensus view of ones town/city/locality as that is the way to avoid ikhtilaf (differences) which truly wreck our muslim unity.

and avoid criticism of ppl who celebrate on other days as it serves no benefit to do so.

also to be safe in the UK where actual moon-sighting is virtually impossible i suppose it makes no harm in being cautious and actually following the hadith wherein we are taught to celebrate on the later day if we are unable to see the moon.
i dont think there is more thawab for tryings one utmost in bringing eid early.

anyway, Allah knows best and i am just a layman.

[naeem_s]

Salaam

Sorry it's quite long.

Surely it can't be difficult to see the moon every time? What do we do for the rest of the year when we have to print prayer timetables?

How do "WE" decide? I can't give you a definitive answer but can only tell you about our community (Huddersfield). We will usually contact some mosques in Bradford & Manchester to find out what they are doing and also ring the local observatory to confirm whether or not a sighting is possible. Therefore a provisional date is set and adhered to unless some news of a confirmed sighting emerges. Take the previous Ramadan (1425, 2004), we were planning to fast on October 16 but on the night of October 14 seven people or so reported they had seen the moon in Manchester, those Masjids that found out about this sighting began fasting on the October 15 and those that didn't continued with the provisional date of October 16. I believe Saudi also fasted on October 15 which means you must have as well.

I don't think you need to look further than our own country as the amount of astronomical data available today is sufficient enough to determine the beginning of the month. This data just cannot be ignored as it can provide a means to verify if any sighting took place.

For example:
"As reported in www.Moonsighting.com, on January 10 it was impossible for anyone to see the new moon anywhere on earth except possibly in Chile and Polynesian islands. The new moon was born at 12:03 Universal Time on that day and was barely 3 hours old in Saudi Arabia where it set 3 minutes before the sunset.

Put simply, if a trace of the new moon is sighted in Saudi Arabia, we in the North and the West coasts of the U.S. should be able to have a better view of that moon because we are ahead of the Saudis in its growth trajectory. Nobody has reported sighting the moon on January 10, 2005 anywhere on earth. So, ISNA has found the Saudi moon sighting report unbelievable and stuck to its earlier decision to celebrate the Eid on January 21." [1]

Now that is specific to North America but raises the question as to how the Saudi government came to their decision regarding the beginning of the month of Hajj? :confused:

What are your thoughts on what Mufti Taqi Usmani has said regarding this matter? [2]


[1] http://www.moonsighting.com/hajj&eid-al-adha_mess.html
[2] The link to his opinion was provided on a previous post, http://www.moonsighting.com/tusmani.htm

[YaNabi]

http://www.interactiveislam.com/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=196

[mujahideenryder]

http://www.interactiveislam.com/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=196

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[Hypermodestmuslima]

Heh...why so tense...its eid...

Be umm...happy with Allah's blessing...