33:33

[greenshirt]

hi in surah 33 ayat 33 it says

And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. (33)

** so the verse is saying that they should be in seclusion in stay in their homes.

my question is - is this speaking about ALL WOMEN or just the wives of the prophet(sallalahu allahi wa sallam)?

in verse 28 it directly addresses the prophet(s a w s) and say "oh prophet."

then in verse 30 and 31 it clearly says "oh wives of the prophet" and then it goes on to give THEM(the wives, r.a.) instruction. no where does it say all believers as a whole.

in verse 41 it says "oh ye who believe" so i am assuming that if verse 33 was speaking about ALL women it would say "oh ye who believe" and not "oh wives of the prophet" and in verse 33 it even says "O Folk of the Household"

** so it is speaking about the wives of the prohpet in verse 33 and not all women right? it says for them to stay in seclusion but it is hard for all women to stay in their homes all the time espcially in the west where women have to work to make a living for their household too!

[abid786]

You are correct. It is a continuation of 33:32, and "your" refers to the wives of the Prophet (pbuh&hf)

Ma'salaam

[Imperium]

:salam:

This (http://www.islamibayanaat.com/MQ/English-MaarifulQuran-MuftiShafiUsmaniRA-Vol-7-Page-116-168.pdf) (start at page 15) should answer your question. The rest of it can be found here (http://www.islamibayanaat.com/EMQ.htm)

[abuhajira]

:salam:

There is one usool of tafseer which says that In ahkaam when the Ummahatul Momineen are adresses, the generality of hukm (ruling) falls on all the ummah as well..

:ws:

[greenshirt]

there seems to be a diversity of opinions on this topic! i heard on imam says it is speaking only about the wives of the prophet(sallallahu alahi wa sallam) and that tafsir that one member posted says that it is has been disputed and may only be speaking of the wives, but may be speaking of all, and then the last post says it is about all.

i guess i have more studying to do to see what others say

[abid786]

I have heard that the wives of the Prophet are not like other women:

33.32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women...

[abuhajira]

I have heard that the wives of the Prophet are not like other women:

33.32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women...

:salam:

That is to raise the status of wives of the Prophet :saw:. show their virtue over and above the other women of the age and afterwards. Also It is mentioned that the reason the wives have been commanded is that if they were to follow Allah's commandment then it would be ever more rightful of the other women to follow that commandment. The exception would be commandments which are made specific to them in their accord (e.g non can marry them after Rasulullah :saw: demise etc.)

See Tafseer Alusi ( ذهب جمع من الرجال إلى أن المعنى ليس كل واحدة منكن كشخص واحد من النساء أي من نساء عصركن أي أن كل واحدة منكن أفضل من كل واحدة منهن لما امتازت بشرف الزوجية لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ) and in this the mufassir also quotes Allama Zamahshari ( والمعنى لستن كجماعة واحدة من جماعات النساء أي إذا تقصيت أمة النساء جماعة جماعة لم يوجد منهن جماعة واحدة تساويكن في الفضل والسابقة ) or Tafseer Baidawi ( والمعنى لستن كجماعة واحدة من جماعات النساء في الفضل )

:ws:

[greenshirt]

mayb one of the issues only directed towards them is to be in seclusion.

it is ridiculous, and oppressive to tell all women to stay secluded in their homes all day.

[not known]

it is ridiculous, and oppressive to tell all women to stay secluded in their homes all day.

if they have any emergency work they can come out but in full veil and a dress which doesnot attract others


it is ridiculous, and oppressive to tell all women to stay secluded in their homes all day.

should we send women out so that all men outside watch them.
anyone who as a little bit of shame and respect will not tolerate that his wife or daughter be looked upon by dirty mind people

thats why islam orders women to stay at home for security

[abuhajira]

mayb one of the issues only directed towards them is to be in seclusion.

it is ridiculous, and oppressive to tell all women to stay secluded in their homes all day.

The command is not an absolute command because from other Ayaat of Hijab we learn that going out is also permissible, however IF there is a need for it. From ahadith it is also established that women had the permission to leave their homes if they had a need for it.. the only condition then is that it has to be withing the rulings of Hijaab and Niqab and that other sharii injuctions are not broken like talking to non mahrams etc..

you also stated :



member posted says that it is has been disputed and may only be speaking of the wives, but may be speaking of all, and then the last post says it is about all.

Can you tell me the exact page number where it is said.. the tafsir clarified that a confusion could rise as to whether it applies only to wives of Prophet, but clarifies this confusion..

thanx

[mospike]

Brother Abdul Qudus does coming out for Tabligh also fall under 'Emergency Work"?

[True Life]

Brother Abdul Qudus does coming out for Tabligh also fall under 'Emergency Work"?lol :cheesygri

[Sunni_Student786]

...
it is ridiculous, and oppressive to tell all women to stay secluded in their homes all day.

By your standard's or Allah's?

[greenshirt]

By your standard's or Allah's?
by logos(logic)

[andy8118]

Salam brothers,

AlhamduliLLAH all restrictions and prohibitions in ISLAM are perfect and beautiful including wome's safety in travel.

People always bring this issue of Shari'ah affording women to go out without a mahram within certain distance limits (some say 1 day's travel, 1 day and 1 night, others say 3 days etc...). However this again is after applying the principle of necessity and permission form the husband etc..

Applying the above principles already, but for clarity and yaqin, can comeone please provide a source reference for this as dalil, the fact that all travel should be for necessity (Hadith or Qur'an)...

jazakALLAH.

[Sunni_Student786]

by logos(logic)

"Logic" is a method, not a body of knowledge or truths.

We employ logic to make deductions from premises. Our basic premise, as Muslims, is that all that which God has ordered is perfect and just. From that starting point we can then apply logic.

If God has commanded a thing, then know that it is just. No need to employ logic if, indeed, we know that God has commanded something to know whether or not it is just. It is only when we do not have a clear text containing a commandment from God that we use our logic and apply it to those texts that do contain commandments of God to derive basic principles and maxims for deciding whether or not something is just.

"Logic", being a means and not an end, cannot be used as a standard against which to judge whether or not something is just.

Do a little research on logic and you'll see what it is that I am saying.

[source1984]

So basically they're allowed to go out for necessary reasons -- shopping, education, masjid, visiting friend. Aren't all these reasons why people go out anyway? I mean... why else do people go out? Why else would a woman OR a man need to go out? To just randomly loiter on the street and talk? Now of course that would be discouraged -- LOGIC would tell you that would only lead to trouble.