Shaykh Nadwis' aqeeda course

[tazkiyyah]

Are these notes reliable????


http://forums.*********************/showthread.php?t=11820

[omar2006]

I would also like to know if these lecture notes are really what the Shaikh said. He seems very harsh on Ashari and Matrudi aqaid.

[andy8118]

I would also like to know if these lecture notes are really what the Shaikh said. He seems very harsh on Ashari and Matrudi aqaid.

Assalamu alaykum WR WB,

It would seem befitting that the forum it was posted on was a hardcore salafi forum (from other stuff i read before) and obviously the notes seemed hardcore salafi:

- When asked during Q&A regarding point no.38 of Tahawiya (Allah not having any parts and Limbs) - The Sheikh explained this point as “Allah not having any parts that are similar to us (creation). His Hands are not like our hands”

- “I don’t agree with them (Ashari/Matrudi) but they are still part of A.S.W.Jama’ah” (A.Nadwi)

- “Read Ibn Taymiyas books. Very good” (A.Nadwi)

Considering he is a graduate from Nadwatul 'Ulama and has ijazat from Ml Abul Hassan Ali Nadwi (RAH) its extremely unusual that if he held the same opinions as those he was taught by his seniors that he would teach the above material. Can someone who has any contact with him, or can have contact please clarify his position? This will either prove that the notes above are from 'selective/interpretive' hearing or that this is now Shaykh's position.

Wasalam

[mustajab]

There's a local Nadwatul Ulema Mufti, from the little that I've listned to him, he seems to have salafi aqidah. I can't stay for sure but I think he does. I believe he also studied under Mawlana Abul Hassan Ali Nadw.

[hamood]

Shocking, especially some of the quotes in the link provided.

Is this the same Shaykh Muhammad Akram Nadwi who wrote Madrasah Life, Al-Fiqh al-Islami (http://www.al-rashad.com/alfiqh-alislami-according-hanafi-madhhab-p-768.html?osCsid=98f31971e147d8b7d3f77288c052458d), and translated Bustan al-Muhadditheen?

[faqir]

:salam:

Yes it is!

Is it just me or has he not even got the position of the Deobandis on the life of our Nabi :saw: in his grave correct?!

[muslim786]

:salam:

Unfortunately it is the person you mentioned Sidi Sunnilink. It was a field day for the salafi inclined people.

:ws:

[faqir]

Did you attend bro? It was your end of town! good old ELM wasn't it?

[muslim786]

Did you attend bro? It was your end of town! good old ELM wasn't it?

:salam:

My flatmate did and has all the notes and information, also some other local brothers did. If there is anything you want me to ask and get clarified, I shall do so.

:ws:

[muslim786]

Did you attend bro? It was your end of town! good old ELM wasn't it?

Yep it was at ELM, well the LMC actually, which adjoined to the ELM.

[faqir]

well it would be good if he can have a quick look at the notes on IA forum and just confirm them to be true or false

[muslim786]

well it would be good if he can have a quick look at the notes on IA forum and just confirm them to be true or false

:salam:

I shall ask him too look at them tonight when we get back home from work, but I have already spoken to him about it, and he has confirmed the general sentiments shown on that thread.

:ws:

ps it was at that the ELM, well at the LMC which adjoins the mosque

pps a recording of the material is to be released, so we can all see for ourselves.

[abdlashay]

Are these notes reliable????


http://forums.*********************/showthread.php?t=11820

I will be very careful with these notes. They seem to be picky selections of a biased person. They may be out of context quotes!

Asking someone more reliable who attended this event will be necessary.

[hamood]

I will be very careful with these notes. They seem to be picky selections of a biased person. They may be out of context quotes!

Asking someone more reliable who attended this event will be necessary.

I agree. It's best to verify.

[faqir]

Yes, hopefully the bro above will confirm with his flat mate who attended.

[tazkiyyah]

He does say that maturidis and asharis are ahlus sunnah.and maybe what he is saying is that he takes the minhaj of tafweed.

Its unclear until one asks him.

Anyway, he's a big aalim nontheless. And people shouldnt attack him.
He's done a lot of good work

Alhamdulillah

[Sumaiya Akram]

Looking at all the comments on this and various other forums, just wanted to say that a lot of the things said, are taken out of context. This is now creating a lot of confusion and discussion, most of which is unnessary. As for the notes that are put up, i don't think on an all day course those where the most important of all of the things said if they are correct that is.

There is anoter aqidah course happening. How about turning up so you can see for yourself what the shaykh said and this way you can ask HIM the questions instead of relying on someone's notes and ppls comments.

[muslim786]

well it would be good if he can have a quick look at the notes on IA forum and just confirm them to be true or false

Assalamulikum,
:salam:

I have now shown those notes to my friend, who I would classify as a very objective an unbiased brother, who has nothing but the love of learning islam. He tells me that although the sentiments of the notes are correct, the notes are written with a harsher tone than was said by the shaykh. The key points my friend has pointed are as follows:

1) The shaykh clarified that his usuage of the word salafi/salafi aqidah etc was intended to imply the aqeedah of Hazrat Abu Hanifa, Imam Muhammad et al, ie the pious salaf not the latter day claimants such as Al Albani.

2) The shaykh did recommend Ibn Abil-'Izz al-Hanafi's, however my friend does not recall any mention of albanis works in this matter, and even if albani was mentioned it was not such a big deal as implied by the bengali salafi whose notes we are commenting on. My friend is not the sort of person who would forget Al Albani’s Muqadimah being promoted.

3) Those notes are by no means the bulk of shaykh akram nadwis lesson, and should be considered a small amount of the overall picture of the lessons.

4) It is true that the shaykh does not adhrere to either ashari or maturidi aqidah.

5) The shaykh does not follow all the standard deobandi positions on aqidah. And he should be distanced from the noble ulama e deoband when the area of aqidah is concerned.

6) It is best advised for anyone seriously wanting to know more about this intensive lesson to wait till the audio or dvd is released.

7) The shaykh's tone and approach was in general soft, sincere and welcoming, unlike the salafi's notes would make it seem.

Sidi Faqir, my friend has given me the class handouts with his notes in them, and I can send them to you. Drop me an email and we can discuss that.

:ws:

[faqir]

:jazak:

how come you aren't on my msn anymore?

[muslim786]

:jazak:

how come you aren't on my msn anymore?

i am, im on now.

:ws:

[faqir]

i'm off to bed now :p chat later insha'allah

[easytalk]

Assalamu alikum,

As an organiser of the event i can confirm that we will be transcribing the whole session and making it available asap. Also it is correct that the tone and manner of delivery by Dr Akram was very soft, gentle and caring. Furthermore the shaykh confirmed that ahlus Sunnah consists of the way of the salaf, the Asharis and maturidis.

He said he preferred the way of teh salaf which he said was the way fo the companions, the tabieen and tyhe great muhaditheen and fuqaha such as Imam malik, Abu hanifa, Shafiee and ahmad. He further stated that the Ashari and Maturidi schools were defenders of the sunnah and the way of the salaf and their articulation of creed was a respoce to sects such as the mutazilah.

[Sunni Muslim]

Assalamu alikum,

As an organiser of the event i can confirm that we will be transcribing the whole session and making it available asap. Also it is correct that the tone and manner of delivery by Dr Akram was very soft, gentle and caring. Furthermore the shaykh confirmed that ahlus Sunnah consists of the way of the salaf, the Asharis and maturidis.

He said he preferred the way of teh salaf which he said was the way fo the companions, the tabieen and tyhe great muhaditheen and fuqaha such as Imam malik, Abu hanifa, Shafiee and ahmad. He further stated that the Ashari and Maturidi schools were defenders of the sunnah and the way of the salaf and their articulation of creed was a respoce to sects such as the mutazilah.


Wa alaikum salam

Please let us know where it will be posted. Did Dr Akram really say read the edition of Ibn Abi'l Izz's Sharh on Tahawiyya with tahqiq by al-Albani? If he did - then i find it very amazing that he would promote such a work as the intro has a very harsh attack on Sh. Abdal Fattah Abu Ghudda in it by al-Albani, and Sh. Abu Ghudda was a teacher to Dr Akram.

[faqir]

as-salamu `alaikum

please also transcribe the Q and A.

[AbuUbaidah]

Assalamu alikum,

As an organiser of the event i can confirm that we will be transcribing the whole session and making it available asap. Also it is correct that the tone and manner of delivery by Dr Akram was very soft, gentle and caring. Furthermore the shaykh confirmed that ahlus Sunnah consists of the way of the salaf, the Asharis and maturidis.

He said he preferred the way of teh salaf which he said was the way fo the companions, the tabieen and tyhe great muhaditheen and fuqaha such as Imam malik, Abu hanifa, Shafiee and ahmad. He further stated that the Ashari and Maturidi schools were defenders of the sunnah and the way of the salaf and their articulation of creed was a respoce to sects such as the mutazilah.

Jazakallah EasyTalk for coming on to clarify things

I can say that I went there aswell and I know Shaykh didnt resregard Ashari Matrudi, he said they are in ASWJ, but he prefers the salafiyah way of aqeedah as 'easy talk' has mentioned.
So please do not attack Shaykh until you have seen a DVD or read something, and if you find anything wrong, keep it to yourself (please do not increase fitnah)

[faqir]

and if you find anything wrong, keep it to yourself

great plan :lol:

[StudentofIslam]

:salam:

from what I know of Shaykh Akram Nadwi (Hafizahullah) he is one of the greatest living scholars in our time and his knowledge is immense.

Like the brothers have mentioned he follows the Aqidah of the Salaf (i.e the pious predecessors) which is of tafwidh not the so called 'salafi's' of today who selectively misquote many scholars, they even claim to follow Ibn Taymiyyah (Rahimahullah) but on many issues they do not follow him. The ulemaa of Ahl Sunnah read the works of Ibn Taymiyyah and take from them however they advise the general public (those who do not have deep knowledge of deen) to not read them as often they can be misinterpreted or misunderstood.

As has been cleared he did not say to read the muqaddimah of Albani (rahimahullah) of the sharh of Aqidah tahwiyah by Ibn Abil 'Iz al Hanafi and it is well known that the shaykh does not generally encourage anyone to read the works of Albani.

It has been made clear to me from my teachers that lay people should not really read the sharh of Aqidah Tahawiyyah by Ibn 'Izz al Hanafi as it does contain some similar remarks to that of Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah)

Insha'Allah as the shaykh's relative has pointed out the Shaykh will be doing this 1 day intensive course again Insha'Allah and it will be an opportunity for those who have any question to ask him directly

Please do not think of anything except for good about the Shaykh and if you are confused on any points then go to oxford and speak to the shaykh before making any assumptions of what he said based on heresay.

Any mistakes made here are from me May Allah forgive me

For many people going deep into aqidah is not necessary for us sufficient should be Imaani Mufassal and Imaani Mujmal.

:ws:

[islam2]

assalaamo alaikum

mashallah the shaykh is a great teacher

may Allah protect and preserve him

[ahmedqman]

From a specific brother on the islamic-awakening thread:



these wanan-be-sunnis are scum!

Uh oh. They're mad.

[easytalk]

Salam all,

We will be making the trabnscript of the who event available to you all very soon as well as the dvd of the event. so please bear with us.

[SeekerOfGuidance]

:salam:

Brothers and Sisters will have the opportunity to learn and ask questions on Aqidah when the Shaykh will run number of one day sessions on Al-aqidah Al-tahawiyyah throughout the country:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=295063#post295063

[Umm Sabr]

Salam all,

We will be making the trabnscript of the who event available to you all very soon as well as the dvd of the event. so please bear with us.

Has this been made available yet?

[~muslimah~]

i heard that they won't be making a transcript of it anymore.

[Insight]

Assalamoalykum

It is time for sincere and knowledge seeking Muslims to understand that divergence of views and interpretations are to be welcomed among scholars. Those who cannot see beyond the strictures of their own perceived "sect" need not participare in any knowledgeable debate or discussion. For them the criterion is always the chant "our traditional scholars ...." Almighty Allah grant Shaykh Akram and long life and enable the Ummah to benefit from his knowledge, wisdom and guidance. Can those who wish to be defenders of their own schools of thought find something better to do, perhaps read a tasbih glorifying their imagined madhab instead of continually monitoring the intellectual discussions of sincere scholars, like Shaykh Akram.