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Silver Sparrow
09-02-2005, 09:52 PM
The Prime Evidence

The prime evidence comes in the form of a highly sophisticated mathematical code embedded in an ancient document, the Quran.

In 1974, computer decoding of this document unveiled an intricate mathematical pattern based on the prime number 19.

Although the Quran has been in existence for over 1406 years, its mathematical code remained a secret until computer decoding became possible. As it turned out, the code ranges from extreme simplicity to a complex, interlocking intricacy. Thus, it can be appreciated by persons with limited education, as well as scholars.

The Quran, revealed to prophet Muhammad in 610 AD as The Final Testament, is a perpetual miracle for our computer generation. It is a challenge for atheists, an invitation for agnostics and a guidance for believers.

Before the Secret was Decoded

Before the discovery of the 19-based system, Muslims were aware of some symmetrical mathematical wonders in the Quran.
For example:

Word / Meaning / Occurrences

Dunya This world 115
Akhira The hereafter 115

Malak Angel 88
Shaytan Satan 88

Hayat Life 145
Maot Death 145

Rejul Man 24
Mer'a Women 24

Shehr Month 12
Eyyam Days 30
Yaom Day 365

Bahr Sea 32
Ber Land 13
that is
32/45 X 100% = 71.11111111%
13/45 X 100% = 28.88888888%
the % of Sea and Land on Earth


more... (http://www.geocities.com/aliadams/19.htm)

What do you think of this?

Muawiyah
09-02-2005, 10:27 PM
"The Mathematical Miracle of the Quran" is something the deniers of the sunnah came up with to prove that the Quran had not been tampered with. They don't have any proof for this, unlike the Ahl us Sunnah, because they reject all narrations and the laws related to them. This "19" theory has been proven false a long time ago.

Silver Sparrow
09-02-2005, 10:41 PM
Are the figures above false then?

faqir
09-02-2005, 10:43 PM
www.htspub.com

SUBMITTERS INTERNATIONAL:

Sometimes referred to as 19ers or Khalifites. The followers of Rashid Khalifa, a biologist from Egypt with no formal training in theology or Islamic sciences, he proclaimed himself the Messenger of the Covenant and proclaimed that the last two ayaat of Surat ut-Tawba should be deleted, as the ‘contradict the mathematical code of the Qur’an.’

Founder

Rashid Khalifa was born in Kafr az-Zayat in Egypt on 19 November, 1935. His father was the leader of the Shadhli Sufi Tariqah, with thousands of followers under his guidance. As a young man, he grew up with a great spiritual and Islamic education, excelling especially in his study of the earthly sciences.

Khalifa would later take a graduate degree with honours from the Ain Shams University in the College of Agriculture. Upon graduation, he headed to the United States in 1959, where he would receive a master’s degree in biochemistry from Arizona State University. He would also take a ph.D. from the University of California in Riverside. He even held a post as a senior advisor in Agriculture and Biochemistry for the United Nations.

In his spare time, he enjoyed studying the Qur’an and Sunna by himself without any sources. He would stay up late into the night, attempting to understand the meanings without direct reference to the sources with understanding. After an intensive self-study venture into the Qur’an and Sunna, Mr. Khalifa proclaimed that indeed he was the messenger of the covenant, sent by Allah to purify the Qur’an from its’ most satanic innovation, that of the Sunna. Khalifa stated that the Sunna in and of itself was corrupted and was not acceptable to be used alongside the Qur’an.

His most explosive and stomach turning episode came when he proclaimed that the last two verses of Surat ut-Tawba were fabricated, as they did not fit in with the number 19 miracle that prophesied his coming and his messengership. He then called that the verses be removed. For the rest of his days on Earth, he wrote pamphlets, a translation of the Qur’an done by himself as well as numerous polemical tracts proclaiming that most Muslims today were not Muslims at all, but accursed worshippers of the Prophet Muhammad SAW.

Of all the different things that Muslim communities in the United States disagreed over, they agreed to that Rashid Khalifa was an impostor. Unfortunately, Ahmad Deedat attempted to use his ‘number 19 miracle’ for his lectures, which backfired when Khalifa proclaimed his prophethood based on these mathematical findings. Rashid Khalifa suffered death threats, expulsion from many communities and his followers bore this persecution with him, for the love of their ‘messenger of the covenant’. On January 1990, Rashid Khalifa was assassinated while working on another work to prove his messengership.

Key Beliefs

1. As a formal doctrine of their group, the Submitters state categorically that Allah is unknowable.

2. The Paradise and the Fire as described in the Qur’an are referred to as mere states of mind and not actual places.

3. The last of the Messengers is not the Prophet Muhammad, as he was only the last prophet. Submitters hold that Dr. Rashid Khalifa was the last messenger of the covenant to reveal the ‘miracle’ 19 code of the Qur’an.

4. The Sunna of the Messenger of Allah is not accepted as a source of law nor as even revelation.

5. Submitters will not submit to the authority of one of the 4 interpretative disciplines passed down.

6. The Blessed Hope of Seeing Allah in the Hereafter is rejected.

7. The Prophet Muhammad SAW is not the primordial one, rather he was just another messenger as all the others were merely messenger.

Extent

There are perhaps between 1-5,000 members of the Submitters International, most of them being based in the state of Arizona in the United States, where the movement was founded.

Silver Sparrow
10-02-2005, 09:17 PM
Ahaaa, okay I follow. I was wondering about that, seemed a bit weird... not to mention that guy has dating agency software or summat on his site... :s

Thanks for clearing that one up for me :)

jazakallah

Abu Suliman
11-02-2005, 02:27 PM
To us if he did get these mathmatical facts right so what are you going to believe him as a messenger he is a dajjal among the dajjal the Prophet(salala alai wasalam) has prophised. Quran is a not a book of numbers rather it is a book of guidance for the whole mankind.We take these aspects as intereasting but not the real message of Quran which is a book to guide people to truth if people are guided to the truth with these mathmatical facts then Alhumdulilah.We should not go into this too much but to study the Quran and implement in our lifes and also not dismiss the sunnah like this kafir has done without sunnah and belief in the finality of prophethood we are doomed in the next life.May Allah safe guard us against these impostars and keep us steadfast on the haqq aameen.

UTJAMS
11-02-2005, 07:23 PM
Salaam,

A lot of Sufi's believe that a Mathematical current underlays the Qur'an.

I do not believe they are Dajjal.

indeed in the book "The approach of Armageddon - An Islamic Perspective" Shaykh Muhammam Hisham Kabbani Makes a persuasive case for the Big Bang, String Theory and the Ten Dimensional Universe from what science knows now, and comparing it to the Qur'an and hadiths.

He has a section on secrets within the Qur'an, and just interprets some Hadiths and Surah's differently to normal.

It is a brilliant read.

Wa Aleikum MUssalaam

Yasin786
11-02-2005, 10:35 PM
Yes, that truly is an amazing talk

aliadams
14-05-2011, 03:55 AM
Salam All,

Please read what Allah swt says at the end of surat Al-Jinn 26-28:

Quran 72:26-28
أعوذ بالله من الشيطن الرجيم
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
عَٰلِمُ ٱلْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِۦٓ أَحَدًا
The Knower of the unseen! so He does not reveal His secrets to any,
إِلَّا مَنِ ٱرْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍۢ فَإِنَّهُۥ يَسْلُكُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِۦ رَصَدًۭا
Except to him whom He chooses as an apostle; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,
لِّيَعْلَمَ أَن قَدْ أَبْلَغُوا۟ رِسَٰلَٰتِ رَبِّهِمْ وَأَحَاطَ بِمَا لَدَيْهِمْ وَأَحْصَىٰ كُلَّ شَىْءٍ عَدَدًۢا
So that He may know that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He counted everything in numbers.
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Then please read and validate the prime evidence for 31 events from January to November 2012 each lasting 4 days along 31 latitudes, and Allah knows best.

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1) Prime numbers are the corner stone of public key cryptography used for secret writings and secure communication over the Internet.

2) The Quran, which literally means "The Readable", is readable despite being encrypted using primalogy (assigning prime values to the Arabic alphabet letters).

2) Chapter #1 The Opener is The Key to decoding The Message in The Quran. It consists of exactly 7 verses, 29 words and 139 letters. All are prime numbers with prime digit sums too (7 = 7, 2+9 = 11, 1+3+9 = 13) called additive prime numbers. What's more, 729139 and 139297 are also additive prime numbers (7+2+9+1+3+9 = 31).

3) Chapter #55 The Merciful has 31 repetitions of an exact verse (فَبِأَىِّ ءَالَآءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ) at positions: 13, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77.

4) The sum of these 31 positions is 1433. A prime number with a prime digit sum (1+4+3+3 = 11) too.

5) The current Islamic year is 1432 AH (in 2011 AD).

6) Islamic years have either 354 or 355 days. Next Islamic year 1433 AH is to have 355 days.

7) Chapter #55 The Merciful has 355 words.

8) The above sum of the repeated verse positions (1433) thus points to the Islamic year 1433 AH and every word in chapter #55 points to a day in 1433 AH.

9) The repeated verse consists of 4 words and is repeated 31 times. That implies there would be 31 events each lasting 4 days.

10) In 4 days, any external event would sweep the Earth along a single latitude 4 times.

11) The 31 event latitudes are the same as the repeated verse positions (13...77) since they sit exactly in the middle of the range of latitudes (0˚...90˚). From 0 to 13 is 13 and from 77 to 90 is 13 too.

12) A latitude is about 110km wide so not all places within a danger latitude would be destroyed. Places of worship regardless of religion flavor most likely will be spared to show that we all worship the same ONE GOD, The Creator and Sustainer of all worlds!

13) The survivors would unite and submit to the Will of GOD and start rebuilding Earth with total love and selflessness guided by the Final Testament, The Quran.

PRINT TABLE IN CASE WE LOSE THE GRID
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(God Permitting)
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2012 Event Latitudes and Dates
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13˚ 2012-01-07 ― 2012-01-10
16˚ 2012-01-22 ― 2012-01-25
18˚ 2012-01-30 ― 2012-02-02
21˚ 2012-02-10 ― 2012-02-13
23˚ 2012-02-18 ― 2012-02-21
25˚ 2012-02-28 ― 2012-03-02
28˚ 2012-03-13 ― 2012-03-16
30˚ 2012-03-27 ― 2012-03-30
32˚ 2012-04-04 ― 2012-04-07
34˚ 2012-04-24 ― 2012-04-27
36˚ 2012-05-06 ― 2012-05-09
38˚ 2012-05-16 ― 2012-05-19
40˚ 2012-05-28 ― 2012-05-31
42˚ 2012-06-07 ― 2012-06-10
45˚ 2012-06-22 ― 2012-06-25
47˚ 2012-07-01 ― 2012-07-04
49˚ 2012-07-07 ― 2012-07-10
51˚ 2012-07-14 ― 2012-07-17
53˚ 2012-07-23 ― 2012-07-26
55˚ 2012-08-05 ― 2012-08-08
57˚ 2012-08-18 ― 2012-08-21
59˚ 2012-08-25 ― 2012-08-28
61˚ 2012-09-03 ― 2012-09-06
63˚ 2012-09-10 ― 2012-09-13
65˚ 2012-09-15 ― 2012-09-18
67˚ 2012-09-22 ― 2012-09-25
69˚ 2012-09-30 ― 2012-10-03
71˚ 2012-10-07 ― 2012-10-10
73˚ 2012-10-15 ― 2012-10-18
75˚ 2012-10-25 ― 2012-10-28
77˚ 2012-11-04 ― 2012-11-07
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−89/+67 days due to calendar errors.

More free useful information at www.heliwave.com including free book, presentation, and software to check the danger level of your own city.

Be a guiding light, spread the message now especially to people near latitude 13˚ (12.5˚ ― 13.5˚).

And GOD knows better and controls everything in real-time.

Ali Adams
God > infinity
www.heliwave.com (www.heliwave.com/2012.html)