Darul Uloom Azaadville, South Africa

[Haaji_Abubakr]

[mod edit: please see the three attached files for information from the madrasa. Brought to front of thread for easy access.]

As-salaamu alaykum,

Does anyone know if Madrassa Arabia Islamia in Azaadville requires a student to learn Urdu? If anyone knows a great madrassa that teaches Hanafi fiqh in South Africa that doesn't require someone to learn Urdu please post that info. The last time I was visiting SA I spent a week at the Darul Uloom in Capetown but that institute was shafi'i though.

[mospike]

Yes at Azaadville you must learn Urdu

Newcastle teaches in English

Physical Address: 26 St. Thomas Street, Lennoxton, 2940, South Africa
Postal address: P.O.Box 786, Newcastle, South Africa, 2940
Telephone: +27 34 317 1612

[abuhajira]

As-salaamu alaykum,

Does anyone know if Madrassa Arabia Islamia in Azaadville requires a student to learn Urdu? If anyone knows a great madrassa that teaches Hanafi fiqh in South Africa that doesn't require someone to learn Urdu please post that info. The last time I was visiting SA I spent a week at the Darul Uloom in Capetown but that institute was shafi'i though.

:salam:

Our Madrassah (Madrassah Inaamiyyah, Camperdown) does require you to stdy Urdu as a subject but the classes are taught in english.

:ws:

[Colonel_Hardstone]

:salam:

Our Madrassah (Madrassah Inaamiyyah, Camperdown) does require you to stdy Urdu as a subject but the classes are taught in english.

:ws:

W-Salam Maulana,

Why don't the Darul-ulooms teach in Arabic?

[Husain]

As-salaamu alaykum,

Does anyone know if Madrassa Arabia Islamia in Azaadville requires a student to learn Urdu? If anyone knows a great madrassa that teaches Hanafi fiqh in South Africa that doesn't require someone to learn Urdu please post that info. The last time I was visiting SA I spent a week at the Darul Uloom in Capetown but that institute was shafi'i though.

Urdu is very easy to learn and very beneficial.
The classes are in English for the first year and the major portion of the second. Even after that, many/most of the teachers teach in English.

The two main Darul Ulum's in SA - Azadville and Zakariyya- both teach through the medium of Urdu. While you could go elsewhere, the quality is not the same, in my opinion.

I would advise you to go to Azadville and study. You will have teachers who are not only really experianced, but are also Awliya of Allah.
The enviroment there is also really conducive to studying.

[mospike]

Good Question Brother Muadh.

Arabic is taught as a Language but not used as a medium to teach, this is definitely a short coming and needs to be corrected to enjoy perfection is the Arabic language

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

I have studied deen from what Sunniforum folks would call “Non-Traditional” Ulama & I am highly surprised about teaching Deen in Urdu or English.

This means that the original writings are being translated and taught 2nd hand. Why not learn in the original language that they were written in?

I am not being judgemental because I have neither studied at a traditional Madrasa nor have any experience, just being curios and I would like to listen to an explanation of this matter by the Ulama.

[Husain]

You seem to have misunderstood

The books are all in Arabic. The students have all studied Arabic and understand it . The teacher translates the passage into Urdu/English, then explains it in either Urdu/English.

Just as in every Arab Country in the world, the lessons are not explained in Arabic, but rather in their local slang. There are just a few institutes in the Arab world, where all the teaching is done in Arabic.

[mospike]

Some time last year I sent a fax to about 15 of our Local Jamiat offices requesting them to explain to me why they are teaching Urdu at our elementary Madaaris.
One of my objections was that not all of our students are INDIAN there are Black African, Malays and Coloureds and these poor kids are forced to learn a language that they are neither familiar with nor will they ever use outside the classroom because at home there mother tongues are being used (English, Afrikaan, Zulu etc..)

Needless to say I have not received one reply to date…….

Mufti AK on this issue



Respected Mufti saheb

Asalamualykum

What is the purpose for introducing URDU in our Madressa (from class one
+) syllabus? Not all students are Indians and besides why not spend more
time on learning Arabic rather then URDU. This is a huge concern in the
Malay communities and has become a much heated debate when talking about
Racism. Moulana Wajid Kaldine always talks about this and mentions that
it was one of the main reason why Darul Uloom Newcastle was nice because
they did not and I quote his wors "force URDU down our throats" Who can
I take this up with at a higher level?


Shukran




Assalaamu alaikum

I totally agree - speak to the Jamiats etc.


Abdool Kader Hoosen
mufti@telkomsa.net

[Husain]

Some time last year I sent a fax to about 15 of our Local Jamiat offices requesting them to explain to me why they are teaching Urdu at our elementary Madaaris.
One of my objections was that not all of our students are INDIAN there are Black African, Malays and Coloureds and these poor kids are forced to learn a language that they are neither familiar with nor will they ever use outside the classroom because at home there mother tongues are being used (English, Afrikaan, Zulu etc..)

Needless to say I have not received one reply to date…….

Mufti AK on this issue

Assalamu Alaikum

Do they still teach Urdu in the Maktabs?
Is it only in Gauteng or in other provinces as well?
Been years since I visited a maktab, but as far as I remmebr Urdu is not taught at any Maktabs here in KZN. I could be wrong.

The answer to why they are teaching it, seems quite simple.
The same reason we had Afrikaans forced down our throats for so many years.
Language is said to play a part in the conditioning.
I don't agree with teaching it, but it does seem to make sense.

As for teaching it - not using it as a medium- in a Darul Ulum, I totally agree with that. Without Urdu one is unable to reap benefit from the tons of literature written by our Indo-Pak Ulama.
Also, ask the Newcastle Ulama who spent one-year in Jamat, what is there greatest regret.
Many will tell you, "Not having learnt Urdu!".


And Allah Ta'ala knows best

[eTeacher]

Does Azadville have a website?

[Husain]

No.

Only Newcastle: http://www.darululoom-newcastle.co.za/

and Ml. Taha's Madrasah in the Cape.

[eTeacher]

No.


From what I've heard, Azadville is the most organized Darul Uloom and they have a really good Tajweed program and they are probably the only Darul Uloom in the west to publish their own books.

So In Sha Allah they'll get a website soon.

[mospike]

Azaadville..... Well Hazrat Moulana Abdul Hamid saheb the rector of the Ulum does not approve of Islamic radio stations,,, so maybe there is a problem with teachnology for them...

They do have an e-mail addy though (so my theiry doesnt add up)

Azaadville is known for Producing Ulama par excellence,,, The likes of Moulana Khatani, Suliman Moola (may Allah preserve them) etc.....

The Sheikhul Hadith Hazrat Moulana Fazlur Rahman Azmi (Allah preserve him) is one the greatest Ulama i have ever met.

[Husain]

Azaadville is known for Producing Ulama par excellence,,, The likes of Moulana Khatani, Suliman Moola (may Allah preserve them) etc.....
.

ML. Suliman Moola qualified from Madrasah Zakariyyah.

[Hamood]

:salam:,

An acquaintance needs info about Darul 'Uloom Azaadville, does anyone have their contact info? Email address? Anyone who studies or lives there? I would certainly appreciate it.

:jazak:

SL

[Husain]

The email address of the Madrasah is:
darululum@webmail.co.za

The Madrasah year will be ending next weekend, so if he needs to contact them, he should do so asap.

They will only re-open a week to ten days after Ramadhan.

If you do need any info, feel free to contact me.
As a mod, I am sure you will have access to my email address.

[Hamood]

The email address of the Madrasah is:
darululum@webmail.co.za

The Madrasah year will be ending next weekend, so if he needs to contact them, he should do so asap.

They will only re-open a week to ten days after Ramadhan.

If you do need any info, feel free to contact me.
As a mod, I am sure you will have access to my email address.

:jazak: -- I sent you an email.

[islamis4me]

The email address of the Madrasah is:
darululum@webmail.co.za

The Madrasah year will be ending next weekend, so if he needs to contact them, he should do so asap.

They will only re-open a week to ten days after Ramadhan.

If you do need any info, feel free to contact me.
As a mod, I am sure you will have access to my email address.

Salaam Alaikum brother.

I've been reading your posts regarding Azaadville and they were very benificial. InshAllah I have intention of going there after this Ramadan but I still have several questions though and I was wondering if I could put you through the trouble of helping me. I'll be waiting for your reply inshAllah.

Salaam Alaikum.

[Muaz bin jabal]

If Mufti saheb is busy, I have a friend in Azaadville whom i talk to often..i can try asking him for you.

[islamis4me]

JazakAllah Khair. Is there any way that we can come into contact through email?

[Husain]

Salaam Alaikum brother.

I've been reading your posts regarding Azaadville and they were very benificial. InshAllah I have intention of going there after this Ramadan but I still have several questions though and I was wondering if I could put you through the trouble of helping me. I'll be waiting for your reply inshAllah.

Salaam Alaikum.

:ws:

I have emailed you

[MullaG1]

heres the alim info brochure frum azadville
and sum rules and regs frum the madressa
hope this benefits sumone in the world
i need to add sum weight to ma book of deeds
make dua

[ImaanSeeker]

:jazak: again bro

Do you study in azaadville?

[MullaG1]

naw not a student but alot of ma frends r ther

[ImaanSeeker]

Bro, are the documents you posted the most recent version?

[MullaG1]

jus got them 2 days ago

[MOHI]

Salam is this madrasha in South Africa or Karachi?

[mospike]

South Africa

[talab33]

my bro is studying their

[cdy_800]

I have a few questions regarding the policies listed in the brochure:

It says regarding the dresscode:
Kurtaas (not kafnies) with slits, below the knees;
Izaars above the ankles;
Topies;
No red scarves allowed in the Madrasah.
All clothing in plain white material.
Beards according to Shari’ah.
No hair.

1) What is a Kafnie? Does that mean that students are not allowed to wear arab-style thobes that do not have slits?

2) No hair?!?!? what does that mean exactly? Must the students shave their heads? why?

Furthermore, regarding the in'aam, it says: Students with the best performance, those gaining distinctions, those having best attendance, character, those being most punctual on ma’mulaat, those who are most neat, etc. will be given in’aam at the end of the year.

3) Just curious, what kind of prizes does this mean?

4) Regarding boarding, how much is the cost of darul iqamah usually?

Regarding examinations, it says: Students may not miss any examination without a valid reason. Failure to write any examination without a valid reason will be regarded as a serious offence whereupon the student may be suspended or other disciplinary action taken. Any student who failed to participate in any examination for whatever reason must write supplementary examinations. Copying during the examinations or using any other fraudulent means is a serious and punishable offence.

5) What's the deal with these examinations. Why would anyone miss their examinations after having worked hard all year? Are they optional? It seems like a different concept of examinations than in western colleges...

Regarding what to bring with you to the madrasa: Bedding – Mattress, sleeping bag, blankets, pillow, 2 pillowcases, 2 bed-sheets and 2 bed-spreads

6) Wait, so students have to bring their own mattresses? Isn't that kind of difficult, and possibly chaotic?

[MullaG1]

I have a few questions regarding the policies listed in the brochure:

It says regarding the dresscode:
Kurtaas (not kafnies) with slits, below the knees;
Izaars above the ankles;
Topies;
No red scarves allowed in the Madrasah.
All clothing in plain white material.
Beards according to Shari’ah.
No hair.

1) What is a Kafnie? Does that mean that students are not allowed to wear arab-style thobes that do not have slits?

2) No hair?!?!? what does that mean exactly? Must the students shave their heads? why?

Furthermore, regarding the in'aam, it says: Students with the best performance, those gaining distinctions, those having best attendance, character, those being most punctual on ma’mulaat, those who are most neat, etc. will be given in’aam at the end of the year.

3) Just curious, what kind of prizes does this mean?

4) Regarding boarding, how much is the cost of darul iqamah usually?

Regarding examinations, it says: Students may not miss any examination without a valid reason. Failure to write any examination without a valid reason will be regarded as a serious offence whereupon the student may be suspended or other disciplinary action taken. Any student who failed to participate in any examination for whatever reason must write supplementary examinations. Copying during the examinations or using any other fraudulent means is a serious and punishable offence.

5) What's the deal with these examinations. Why would anyone miss their examinations after having worked hard all year? Are they optional? It seems like a different concept of examinations than in western colleges...

Regarding what to bring with you to the madrasa: Bedding – Mattress, sleeping bag, blankets, pillow, 2 pillowcases, 2 bed-sheets and 2 bed-spreads

6) Wait, so students have to bring their own mattresses? Isn't that kind of difficult, and possibly chaotic?



as salam walaykum

i am not learned and have not been to this darul uloom but i am planning to go after ramadhan inshallah from the little i know inshallah i will try to answer forgive me as i cannot do justice to your questions
someone learned like ameer saab can answer your questions inshallah

1) the best explanation i can give for a kafnie is when u go to ur local masajid its the thing the pakistani or indian guy is wearing :P its shorter then a thobe and it has slits in the sides

2) what they mean by no hair is that you have to have them short meaning you cant keep zulfa. when i heard this my first reaction was "why cant i follow the sunnah?" but then my teacher explained and there is alot of hikmat behind this rule besides not only zulfa is the sunnah. maybe our mufti saab will like to elaborate on this more

3) maybe a million dollars maybe a new car :P i was curious about this as well our ameer saab has been to this darul uloom and he prolly won enuff prizes maybe he would like to share whith us

4) from what i no its about 6000 rand a year which is a little less then 1000 canadian for a 1000 dollars a year you get a place to sleep food electricity washroom shower facility and much much more i think that is an amazing price compared to other places around the world

5) in university the prof doesnt drag you into the exam room if you wanna come you do if you dont u sleep in and as in uni you get the few students who arent serious about their studies or just dont want to be ther and were forced to go.
another thing to take in is that in year one they teach 20+ kitaabs and not all kitaabs are big they teach many little kitaabs worth a few marks in the final outcome now some students seeing that kitaab 16 is only worth 3% of the final mark sumtimes they dont give due attention to the book and and they sometimes dont rite those exams but thos e who do this are at a loss because the madressas carriculam has been designed in such a way that all the kitaabs are important even if its worth 3% they didnt throw in ktaabs for fun ther is maqsad behind every kitaab. one of my friends at the darul uloom was telling me that students dont give due attention to tayseri mantiq its a book on logic i think and hes telling me that this kitaab is very useful but students come to that class and take it as a homework period im not saying all but some students do this again im not learned i am still a jahil and dont no anything
mufti saab can only do justice to this question

6) now again all ur paying is 1000 a year and all these facilities the mads is providing beds are sold at the madressa you dont gotta lug a queen size matress onto the airplane lol
there are about 500 students in the mads saying an average bed costs 50 dollars (estimate) that would cost the madressa $25000 i think the student can do his part and buy his own bed this is not hotel wer going to
and in university i dont think they provide bed and even if they do look at the price difference between uni and mads

these are the thoughts of an illiterate
forgive me for all the mistakes i probably made
ameer saab has attended this darul uloom and he can correct my mistakes and clear the matter up for the both of us

make dua
wsalam

[cdy_800]

Jazak Allah Khair for that

Just wondering...

I got a lot of benefit out of Br. Abuhajira's Madrasah Inaamiya Information Thread: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11353

I was hoping if someone who went to Azaadville or Darul Uloom Zakariyya could make a similar thread, with all the "inside information" so to speak.. ie. food arrangements, bathrooms, schedule, location, facilities, teachers, etc.

[MullaG1]

yah if someone could make a thread like that it would be really nice

[Husain]

:ws:

Here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=238547&postcount=5) is a similar post regarding Madrasah Zakariya.

[Husain]

:ws:

Brother ylulat seems to have answered most of ur questions.
I will just add to what he said:




1) What is a Kafnie? Does that mean that students are not allowed to wear arab-style thobes that do not have slits?


The Madrasah is very strict about this rule. Make sure that you wear white Indian/Pakistani style Kurtas.
The principal views these as closer to the sunnah, thus the insistence upon them, as he feels that the Arab-Style ones are a symbol of the Salafiyyah.
Most of our country's Ulama don't agree with him on it, but it is the rule, so as a student, you have to obey.




2) No hair?!?!? what does that mean exactly? Must the students shave their heads? why?

As the brother mentioned, it means hair must be short, not long.
The reason is that they feel that students keep long hair for the wrong reasons and also a student is expected to be devoted to his studies, not spending his time grooming himself.
Alhamdulillah, I managed to get permission for keeping my "zulfah" for the entire period I was in Madrasah, however such permission is nearly impossible to get.




3) Just curious, what kind of prizes does this mean?


The prizes are the most important tool of an alim viz. Books.
Don't expect much though, they are normally small books, with the quantity and value increasing for the higher classes.
They normally give a book or two, while in the final year I got nearly 10 books, however as I mentioned, don't expect them to be out of this world.




5) What's the deal with these examinations. Why would anyone miss their examinations after having worked hard all year? Are they optional? It seems like a different concept of examinations than in western colleges...


Madrasah's are normally a bit lax when it comes to examinations. Some students tend to abuse this, by not working had throughout the year, then not attending exams through the excuse of illness etc. They then pitch up the next year and expect to be passed into the higher class, without sitting for exams, as this happens elsewhere and used to happen here as well. Thus the warning on the rule sheet.




6) Wait, so students have to bring their own mattresses? Isn't that kind of difficult, and possibly chaotic?

No one (or hardly anyone) brings their own mattress.
The Madrasah always used to sell/provide thin sponge mattresses, but this might have changed.
If you want a good stong mattress and you could easily order it from a mattress company, who will deliver it to the Madrasah.

Feel free to ask any other questions.

[MullaG1]

coming from canada how would one get in contact with a matress company??

[cdy_800]

Jazak Allah Khair for the response

From what I have heard, it seems like Darul Ulooms Azaadville and Zakariyya are probably the most prestigious schools in South Africa.

Im sure theyre both awesome, but what are some differences between them? The Pros and Cons?

[MullaG1]

Jazak Allah Khair for the response

From what I have heard, it seems like Darul Ulooms Azaadville and Zakariyya are probably the most prestigious schools in South Africa.

Im sure theyre both awesome, but what are some differences between them? The Pros and Cons?

i think darul uloom zakariyaa is more known for their hifz course while azadville for their alim course

[cdy_800]

also (sorry for all the questions) where exactly is azaadville? i couldnt fing it on google maps. what is the nearest big city?

[Husain]

Here are some pictures of Azadville, from Google Earth:

The suburb of Azadville
http://www4.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/fa914c0480d793f7353ab4642781c9cf6g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=fd4iyglgime&thumb=4)




Boys and Girls Madrasah - Not close to one another
http://www3.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/bfd0a7e420b1c0684f89fff3add1f81b6g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=mj11yzmrjjw&thumb=4)



The Madrasah
http://www3.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/984fc25f8f46355475032be91cb172076g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=x1ns5ujkdmk&thumb=4)


Madrasah- Detailed

http://www4.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/d2f69d416a30a1a0c55e7faabb4eb1a26g.jpg (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=taalyidx9eo&thumb=4)

[MullaG1]

salam if anyone can help
going to azaadville from canada
how much money shud we take with us
and how do we pay fees
monthly??
and how much monthly
and how do we get piked frum the airport do we call them

[Muaz bin jabal]

Don't you apply first?

[MullaG1]

he applied got visas reaching ther on the 7th but the registration is wen u get there they tell u all this stuff ther but if sumone whu knows cud tell me about the fees now so then he can jus take the money

[Husain]

:ws:

The fees for the coming year are R9600 ie. R800 per month.
R800 is about $100.

It is payable monthly, however many students do pay for the entire year in advance.

Regarding being picked up, the student should contact the Madrasah about 2-3 days before leaving and arrange to be picked up.
Then remind them on the day of the flight, giving them the flight details ie. airline, flight no. and time of arrival.

Pass my salams to Mf. Ibrahim Quraishi.
Tell him Husain Kadodia gives salams.

[London786]

mufti saheb my cousin is planning to do final year abroad. He has completed the rest of the alim course in the UK. Where would you recommend he goes? How is Zakariya and Newcastle. How about pakistan. Also mufti saheb what would you recommend after doing the alim course? Would you recommend ifta and where? And also if a person wanted to specialize in ahadeeth and spend a lengthy period just on ahadeeth then where would be the best place. Also maulana don't you think that all the 6 books in 1 year is too much. Is it possible to do these books over a longer period as I know many students repeat the final year.

Make dua and love you all wasalam

[Husain]

mufti saheb my cousin is planning to do final year abroad. He has completed the rest of the alim course in the UK. Where would you recommend he goes? How is Zakariya and Newcastle. How about pakistan. Also mufti saheb what would you recommend after doing the alim course? Would you recommend ifta and where? And also if a person wanted to specialize in ahadeeth and spend a lengthy period just on ahadeeth then where would be the best place. Also maulana don't you think that all the 6 books in 1 year is too much. Is it possible to do these books over a longer period as I know many students repeat the final year.

Make dua and love you all wasalam

:ws:

In SA, I would recommend Azadville or Zakariyya for the final year. Both are top Madrasah's with top teachers.
I don't know how good the final year is in the various Pakistani Madrasah's, so I cannot comment on that.

After the alim course, he should study the field he wishes to pursue.
Ifta is beneficial, just as is hadith or for that matter any other field eg. Aqidah, Adab etc.

If he wishes to do Ifta, I would recommend Camperdown, then Azadville.
The exposure one gets in Camperdown is unmatched.
I would prefer it to Ifta courses anywhere else in the world, but it shoudl be borne in mind that it all depends on the student.

As for takhassus in hadith, Ml. Abd al-Malik in Dhaka has a good course.I would recommend that one. The Binnori town course is also good, as well as the Saharanpur one.

I think a year is enough for the 6 books of hadith. We have so many other fields to go into, lets not spend more time on just those books.
Those who wish to specialise in hadith, should first learn usul al-hadith, then rijal etc, then study the 6 books in depth.

[London786]

Hadhrat maulana husain may Allah bless you. Jazakallah khair. So could you give details of the courses at binori town, in bangladesh, saharanpur. I think binori town is easier to adapt for a westerner as it is in the middle of the city. What books are studied, what is the medium of teaching and the duration of the courses. Also apart from ifta and hadeeth is there specialization in tafsir and other subjects and could you give some details please.

Does south africa have this? I know shaykh zahir mahmood did a specialized course in newcastle and he studied saheeh bukhari in a detailed manner.

Also maulana do you know mufti amjad from azadville. I heard he is very knowledgeable. Also maulana is it true that the head of azadville had a dream where rasulullah sallahualhiwasalm told him to get more into tasawuff and therefore he now emphasises more on this topic

[abulayl]

. Also maulana don't you think that all the 6 books in 1 year is too much. Is it possible to do these books over a longer period as I know many students repeat the final year.


this suggetion was raised by some talbul-ilm since last few years. 6 books are actually the main books of shariah, and to read it in details with full attention and concentration would be tough for students within 1 year. It would be better if they would divide the books in 2 years. It doenst mean they dont learn it or get the books in mind. but may be in 2 years they could study the books more deeply with the touch of the schoalrs and teachers in madrassah.

[Sohaib]

Once Maulana Tariq Jamil said there should be 2 years for the study of hadith books.
One for the ahadiths of Masail
and the 2nd for the Ahadiths of Fazail.

His statement was actually based on his personal experience during studies.

[abuhajira]

this suggetion was raised by some talbul-ilm since last few years. 6 books are actually the main books of shariah, and to read it in details with full attention and concentration would be tough for students within 1 year. It would be better if they would divide the books in 2 years. It doenst mean they dont learn it or get the books in mind. but may be in 2 years they could study the books more deeply with the touch of the schoalrs and teachers in madrassah.

:salam:

But the point is whether the 6 Year Alim course is intended for an in depth Hadith course or an Introduction to the different major hadith works such that a student gets an experience of the tarz in which the certain book has been compiled. And that if thereafter he has extra love for the field he can pursue takhasus in it..

The Fiqh kitaab that we go through in dars e nizami are organized with such intention in mind.. because as such there are numerous books in fiqh.. but the major ones are such that one gets the taste of how the author writes so that later when the student opens the books he can be rest assured that he will be able to deduce much from it.

As for the Islaah of Awaam, that does not necessarily required a muhaddith.. those can be based on Mutaffiq Alaih kutub like Riyaadh us Saliheen etc. More over the community level islaah is more linked to psychological behaviour of community than with the academic level in hadith of the Imaam or an Alim. To my understanding Alim course was designed just that.. and introduction into the Uloom.. From that aspect.. perusing the the Sihah Sitta is a big achievement.. the chain is established and the narration as well.

Do we really think that an Alim is a bahr of hadith knowledge? If so.. I have to re focus my future years..

:ws:

[abulayl]

Do we really think that an Alim is a bahr of hadith knowledge? If so.. I have to re focus my future years..


assalmualaikum brother for your responce.

Alim doesnt need to have a deep knowledge about hadihts, but we ecpect from them a good control over the hadihts from 6 books. and we can finish the hadiths in 1 year, but to understand those hadiths from 6 books deeply , is a little bit tough or?

They could put out something from the sylebus which isn´t very necessary and start hadiths book from the 5th year - 6th year.

verily i dont jump in such thinking by my ownself, whereas i never even attend one hour in madrassah classes. but just have heard from talib-ilm and thats all.

[MullaG1]

jazakallah
and can u plz advise on things to take besides the stuff they tell u

[Husain]

jazakallah
and can u plz advise on things to take besides the stuff they tell u

:salam:
Any sweets, biscuits, cereals that he might like. You might not get the same brands here and it you do, the recipes are sometimes different.

Other than that he should come with an open mind, ready to study hard and be willing to accept what ever advice he is given.

And most importantly, keep good company!
Find students who study, study and study. That is what he is going there for, so he must make sure he studies really hard.

[Husain]

Hadhrat maulana husain may Allah bless you. Jazakallah khair. So could you give details of the courses at binori town, in bangladesh, saharanpur. I think binori town is easier to adapt for a westerner as it is in the middle of the city. What books are studied, what is the medium of teaching and the duration of the courses. Also apart from ifta and hadeeth is there specialization in tafsir and other subjects and could you give some details please.


:ws:
I don't have details of those courses, the respective madaris or graduates of it could be contacted for more info.
Ml. Abd al-Maliks Madrasah is also in the centre of the capital, to the best of my knowledge.



Does south africa have this? I know shaykh zahir mahmood did a specialized course in newcastle and he studied saheeh bukhari in a detailed manner.


Newcastle doesn't offer any specialised courses. It isn't one of the stronger ilmi Madrasahs, and doesn't have much really senior top teachers.
Camperdown is supposed to start a takhussus in hadith course, however that hasn't materialised.
Ml. Muhammad Harun of Camperdown is a master in hadith especially Ulum al-hadith.
If one could study under it, it would be really worth it.



Also maulana do you know mufti amjad from azadville. I heard he is very knowledgeable.

Mufti Amjad is a recent teacher at the Madrasah, after my time. I know him well however.
I heard from some of the students that they enjoy his advices and explanations of the ahadith concerning Zuhd and Tasawwuf etc.

The Allamah of the Madrasah is Ml. Fazlur Rahman Azmi, the Shaykh al-Hadith. One of his kind, involved in every Dini activity, a walking library and an unmatched embodiment of the Sunnah.

I used to pride myself on my knowledge of books in my Madrasah days, being incharge of the library for 5 of my 6 years there.
Ml. Fazlur Rahman used to call me "Kutub Khana ka kira" ( a book worm), because whenever he asked for a book, I would know if it was in the library and exactly where it stayed therein.
Yet, in spite of this, in the final year, when he would start quoting books ad speaking about the respective merits of each, I found myself drowning in the sea of knowledge pouring fourth from him, so you can imagine the state of the others in my class.



Also maulana is it true that the head of azadville had a dream where rasulullah sallahualhiwasalm told him to get more into tasawuff and therefore he now emphasises more on this topic

No idea, but the principal, Ml. Abd al-hamid is heavily into Tawassuf and is one of the major Shuyukh of our country.

[MullaG1]

shud he take american dollars?? and is ther a way to transfer money to south africa from here directly to the mads

[Muaz bin jabal]

Can't you convert money at most all (international)airports?

[Husain]

shud he take american dollars?? and is ther a way to transfer money to south africa from here directly to the mads

US dollars are fine. He can get them converted at the Madrasah.
It is possible to transfer money to SA, either using a company like Moneygram or directly to the Madrasah's bank account.
Most foreigners bring their entire years allowance with them and leave it for safe-keeping in the office.

[MullaG1]

how much would books cost first year if you want to buy your own books

[Husain]

$100-$150 maximum

[suhailp]

Assalamu Alaikum

How cold does it get in Azaadville in the winter? Is a normal sweater enough or it needs to be thick and warm? The question is from a person who lives in the Caribbean. No winters whatsoever.

Wassalaam

[Husain]

:ws:

Azadville does get really cold in winter. A good thick jacket, leather socks, a scarf etc would be required.

[blue420]

Salam,

Inshallah Bro. u will rock it there.

All the best to you and obviously Allah's mercy with you.

Khan

[mospike]

Mashallah

To all those brothers and sisters who are involved in Sunniforum from an administration point of view right untill the day to day poster i wish to congratulate you all as the fruits of this great site :alhamd: are starting to be harvested,,,,, this brothers situation is one such example

[shatibi]

:salam:

What does "zulfa" mean?

:jazak: everyone for all your efforts.

:ws:

[Husain]

:ws:

By zulfa is meant long hair, normally until the earlobes or as far as the shoulders.

[goodle]

i was wondering what the last day of the school year for darul uloom azadville b4 ramadan?

[Husain]

The Madrasah normally ends on a Sunday, about two weeks before the start of Ramadhan.

[Al-Faruqi]

:salam:

What is the main teaching language in this madrasah?

:ws:

[Mubid al-Majus]

salam `alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

I saw a list of the teachers at Dar ul-`Ulum Zakariyya with information about them in the institution's thread on this forum. It was very beneficial masha' Allah.

I have heard a lot about the teachers at the Azadville Dar ul-`Ulum. Can anyone please make a similar or better list with information about them as well? It would be really appreciated.

wa `alayum as-salam

[naav]

:salam:


Can anyone please make a similar or better list with information about them as well? It would be really appreciated.

I too would find that beneficial if someone could put that up.

Also, as I don't know urdu, is there anyone who could put up the books that are taught each year - in English.

:jazak:

[shatibi]

:salam:

I agree with the above two bros...

One significant teacher in Azadville is the Shaykh ul Hadith, Hadhrat Maulana Fazlur Rahman 'Azmi sahib. Hadhrat Mufti Husain sahib wrote a brief bio of him which can be seen here (http://www.muftisays.com/qa.php?viewpage=viewQA&question=470).

There has also been released a book on him, which brother Nu'ayman mentioned previously.

hadhrat Maulana Fazlur Rahman is also the Shaykh of our own Hadhrat Mufti sahib, so that speaks volumes about his level :mash:!

[Ali 786]

Jazak Allah Khair for the response

From what I have heard, it seems like Darul Ulooms Azaadville and Zakariyya are probably the most prestigious schools in South Africa.

Im sure theyre both awesome, but what are some differences between them? The Pros and Cons?

Maulana Ahmed Suleman Kathani is the product of Azaadville and Maulana Suleman Moolla is the product of Zakariyya

['Abd al-Baari]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG05WpyJ8s4

[xs11ax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG05WpyJ8s4

i love these old style nazams.

even though i dont understand them that much. to me they bring up images of the beautiful humble ulama and akabireen of the past.

[IEBIE]

i was at azaadville

[True Life]

:salam:

Maybe a Mod can merge this thread into the sticky one.

[mod: done]

[True Life]

:salam:

What accommodations does Madrassah Azadville provide for married students (eventually with their spouse)? Which arrangements would a married student have to make? :jazak:

[Mohammad Noman]

I have a few questions.
1) Am I allowed to enter the madrasah if I am 13 (almost 14) and I am responsible, can take care of myself and my parents allow me? If I am not allowed to stay at the dar ul-iqaamah how much would it cost to live outside of it?

2) Is there a difference between Azaadville and madrasah in'amiyyah?

3) Is learning persian a must?

4) Do I have to get a note from any sheikh or mufti that I know?

5) If I have a background in some of the fields will I have to start from the beginning?

[Husain]

:salam:



1) Am I allowed to enter the madrasah if I am 13 (almost 14) and I am responsible, can take care of myself and my parents allow me? If I am not allowed to stay at the dar ul-iqaamah how much would it cost to live outside of it?

You would probably be allowed to stay inside the Madrasah. Contact the Madrasah, who will inform you.



2) Is there a difference between Azaadville and madrasah in'amiyyah?


2 different Madrasah's, each run in its own unique manner, with its unique teachers, students, environment, syllabus etc




3) Is learning persian a must?

You don't really learn Persian, it is just a small intro to the language, taught for 30 minutes a week, during the 2nd year only.



4) Do I have to get a note from any sheikh or mufti that I know?


I don't think that is a condition; confirm with the Madrasah



5) If I have a background in some of the fields will I have to start from the beginning?

If you know enough in the different fields taught in the first year, you could enter the second year after passing an assessment examination.
Similarly if you know enough of the 2nd year books, you could enter the third year, and so on.

[shatibi]

:salam:

What is the average/most common age of first year students in Azadville?

[islamis4me]

Salaam Alaikum. I found that for the diffrent years it varied quite a bit. The later years 3+ until dora (this is in reference to this year before ramadan) the students were in the age group of 18-22 on AVERAGE meaning they started their alim course at young ages. But for my first year most of the students were about 18-20. I found most of them had finished their high school (metric) and came striaght to Darul Uloom or some of them having done a year in college or university. Of course you'll get those few students who are very young, 14 and older as well as some students who are quite older. Meaning are married an have a few kids. The second year students had the same age group in their first year as was in my year. Of course this is according to what I noticed so its not hard core facts. Just the most accurate guess I could give you.

[shatibi]

Salaam Alaikum. I found that for the diffrent years it varied quite a bit. The later years 3+ until dora (this is in reference to this year before ramadan) the students were in the age group of 18-22 on AVERAGE meaning they started their alim course at young ages. But for my first year most of the students were about 18-20. I found most of them had finished their high school (metric) and came striaght to Darul Uloom or some of them having done a year in college or university. Of course you'll get those few students who are very young, 14 and older as well as some students who are quite older. Meaning are married an have a few kids. The second year students had the same age group in their first year as was in my year. Of course this is according to what I noticed so its not hard core facts. Just the most accurate guess I could give you.

:jazak:. So on average, around 18-20 years old..

Is there a schedule anywhere detailing how a student's day is.. I just want a general idea. :jazak:

[islamis4me]

as far as the class time table with the diffrent subjects being convered is concerned I believe Mufti Saheb has posted one up here somewhere. But the daily routine is you get up for fajr and that depends on what time the sun rises. anywhere from 430-530. After fajr we have a tafsir program as well as reading yassin and some zikr and concluding with a dua. The students are then free until breakfast time which is at 6 45. 7 40 is when class starts and all the students have to be in their classrooms. Each class is half an hour. You have class from 7:40-10:10. From 10:10-10:30 you have a small break to eat something or use the washrooms or what not. 10: 30 - 12:30 is class again then its zuhr time. Afte Zuhr is lunch. Then class starts again 2 hours before asr namaaz. After asr until maghrib the students are free to have dinner or go to their rooms and just relax. After maghrib is a mandatory Mut'ala where you finish your work, revise your daily sabaq or read ahead for the next days lesson. Mandatory mut'ala is until 9 oclock. After 9 you're free to leave and you can do what you like after that. Most students grab a bite to eat and come back because jus a couple hours to finish your work is not enough. There are plenty of students who make mut'ala right up until the late of night. That's basically how a regular day goes. Thursday's after asr your free until the next day until maghrib. Meaning no classes and no mut'ala. And Sunday you're free from class from 11:10 until maghrib time. That's pretty much the whole weeks scedule.

[shatibi]

as far as the class time table with the diffrent subjects being convered is concerned I believe Mufti Saheb has posted one up here somewhere. But the daily routine is you get up for fajr and that depends on what time the sun rises. anywhere from 430-530. After fajr we have a tafsir program as well as reading yassin and some zikr and concluding with a dua. The students are then free until breakfast time which is at 6 45. 7 40 is when class starts and all the students have to be in their classrooms. Each class is half an hour. You have class from 7:40-10:10. From 10:10-10:30 you have a small break to eat something or use the washrooms or what not. 10: 30 - 12:30 is class again then its zuhr time. Afte Zuhr is lunch. Then class starts again 2 hours before asr namaaz. After asr until maghrib the students are free to have dinner or go to their rooms and just relax. After maghrib is a mandatory Mut'ala where you finish your work, revise your daily sabaq or read ahead for the next days lesson. Mandatory mut'ala is until 9 oclock. After 9 you're free to leave and you can do what you like after that. Most students grab a bite to eat and come back because jus a couple hours to finish your work is not enough. There are plenty of students who make mut'ala right up until the late of night. That's basically how a regular day goes. Thursday's after asr your free until the next day until maghrib. Meaning no classes and no mut'ala. And Sunday you're free from class from 11:10 until maghrib time. That's pretty much the whole weeks scedule.

:jazak:, that was very beneficial :mash:.

During free time, are you allowed to study in the library and interact with teachers? What other activities do students do in their free time?

Also, is there a phone anywhere where one can call home, or can one keep a cellphone etc. to call home?

:jazak:

[alkhan004]

As salaam Alikum Wa Rahma tul li hi Wa Barak tu

My name is Arif Khan and at the current moment I am doing 1 st year alim course in Canada and by next year I would like to go to your madrassa for studies and my wife has studied about 2 years of alimah course and would like to also continue. I am married and have 2 kids and would like to also bring my family there. I was emailing to know if there was any housing for people like me or any house near by where I can rent it out and study at the madrassa ? and if so then how far is the house from the madrassa and how much is the expences for the houseing and madrassa ? I am willing to pay for everything and don't want to be a burden on the madrassa. If you can kindly give me all the information I would really appricated. May ALLAH reward you the most greatest reward.

[sanlik]

one of the best madrassah around. great ustaads.

[Husain]

As salaam Alikum Wa Rahma tul li hi Wa Barak tu

My name is Arif Khan and at the current moment I am doing 1 st year alim course in Canada and by next year I would like to go to your madrassa for studies and my wife has studied about 2 years of alimah course and would like to also continue. I am married and have 2 kids and would like to also bring my family there. I was emailing to know if there was any housing for people like me or any house near by where I can rent it out and study at the madrassa ? and if so then how far is the house from the madrassa and how much is the expences for the houseing and madrassa ? I am willing to pay for everything and don't want to be a burden on the madrassa. If you can kindly give me all the information I would really appricated. May ALLAH reward you the most greatest reward.

:ws:

Email the Madrasah on darululum@webmail.co.za

[muminah]

Does anyone have any details about the female madressah in Azaadville?

[din_il_islam27]

i heard that the madrassa in azaadville isnt a real alim course for women?

[student4life]

assalamualaikum w.w
i have afriend who wants to go to study at darul uloom azaadville.he is married so he will be taking his wife to s.a too.can he make a living together with studying too and does the madresa provide a place for them to stay?

[abdullahnana]

It will be touch to earn a living while studying. Classes are demanding and it is almost impossible to be able to give due rights to studying while working.

The Madresah does have some apartments for rent and you can also find houses/apartments near the Madresah owned by private individuals. However, the assumption is that you pay for the rental expenses.

[student4life]

assalamualaikum mufti abdullah nana.how are you and your family?im zakaria pandor from the uk who was studying at d.u azaadville in ml ridhwaan kajees class.

[sanlik]

assalamualaikum mufti abdullah nana.how are you and your family?im zakaria pandor from the uk who was studying at d.u azaadville in ml ridhwaan kajees class.

Which year were you azaadville as well as mufti a nana?

[Husain]

Which year were you azaadville as well as mufti a nana?

Mawlana Zakariya completed in 2002; we were in the same class, while Mufti Nana completed in 2004.

[abdullahnana]

assalamualaikum mufti abdullah nana.how are you and your family?im zakaria pandor from the uk who was studying at d.u azaadville in ml ridhwaan kajees class.

Assalamu Alaykum

Alhamdulillah, I am doing good. It is nice to hear from you. You were the one with the motorbike, right? I hope you and your family are doing well.

[sanlik]

Mawlana Zakariya completed in 2002; we were in the same class, while Mufti Nana completed in 2004.

were any of you scholars there when Mufti Zubair Dudha sb was there 1990-1996?

[Husain]

were any of you scholars there when Mufti Zubair Dudha sb was there 1990-1996?

I think Mufti Zubair was there until 1994, he was then in Springs.
I started in Azadville in 1997.

[IbnIsmail]

As Salaamu Alaykum Maulana Zakaria,
I'm Salman from your class. Is this your account or someone else's?

[student4life]

assalamualaikum,
i am well molana abdullah.yes i am the one with the motorbike.i am going to south africa,azaadville on thursday inshallah. really looking forward to meeting the asatiza.i was just speaking to molana hasan sahib today.it won't be the same without him around.molana faseehudden phoned me today also.he wants sheikh sahibs durus of bukhari shareef which has beencompiles on cd.it's wonderful and realy gives a feeling of those days in class.

[abulayl]

Mashallah, SubhanAllah, didnt see before in SF thath 3-4 scholars are talking with each ohter in same thread :)

may Allah give tawfiq to the scholars to do struggle, and accept them as guide of the ummah, and give us laymen tawfiq to do khidmah of them and learn under their shadow.

[The Fake Shaykh]

Assalamu Alaykum

Alhamdulillah, I am doing good. It is nice to hear from you. You were the one with the motorbike, right? I hope you and your family are doing well.

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assalamu alaykum
is this mufti abdullah nana the one who came to the uk with molana hamza choudry recently for the hmc (get to know anyone connected to bury:lol:) tour ?

[shatibi]

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assalamu alaykum
is this mufti abdullah nana the one who came to the uk with molana hamza choudry recently for the hmc (get to know anyone connected to bury) tour ?

:ws:

One and the same.


Mawlana Zakariya completed in 2002; we were in the same class, while Mufti Nana completed in 2004.

Did Mufti Abdullah sahib finish his Iftaa in 2004 or only the `alim course?

:jazak:

[IbnIsmail]

Will everybody make du'aa for me so that i can go to this Madrassah
Jazakallah

[Samirrun]

Assalâmou'aleikoum,
i'm from reunion island, i want to know the curriculum of Darul Uloom Azaadville please, i mean alla the kitabs teached each year.
Djazakoumoullahou khaira.

[Al-Faruqi]

Assalâmou alaykoum frère

Masha Allah ca fait plaisir de voir un frere des iles, qu'Allah te guide dans ta recherche du 'ilm. Amine.

[Samirrun]

Tu étudies à camperdown?
T'es de la Réunion?Métropole?
Douas pour moi

[Al-Faruqi]

Tu étudies à camperdown?
T'es de la Réunion?Métropole?
Douas pour moi

Non frère, rien de cela.

J'habite en Allemagne, mais je suis née en France et j'ai un attachement à la Réunion parce-que j'aime les iles et j'adore le site maison-islam.com du frere Anas c'est pour ca que ca me fait plaisir de voir un frère Réunionnais.

Frère, tu m'a demandé pour Camperdown. Est-tu ouvert à differentes possibilités de faire des études ou est-ce que tu est décidé d'aller à Azaadville?

Car si tu est plus fort en Englais qu'en Pakistanais (Urdu) tu pourrait réfléchir d'aller faire des études à Madrasah In'aamiyyah. Ils font les cours completement en Anglais. (www.al-inaam.com)

Je peut t'envoyer un Guide (en pdf) avec tout les détails sur Madrasah Inaamiyyah si tu veux.

[eTeacher]

Parle vous francais? Je ne cais pas ...and whatever else....

guys....as per rules of Sunni Forum...for the benefit of everyone let's stick to English please... : )

[Samirrun]

Non frère, rien de cela.

J'habite en Allemagne, mais je suis née en France et j'ai un attachement à la Réunion parce-que j'aime les iles et j'adore le site maison-islam.com du frere Anas c'est pour ca que ca me fait plaisir de voir un frère Réunionnais.

Frère, tu m'a demandé pour Camperdown. Est-tu ouvert à differentes possibilités de faire des études ou est-ce que tu est décidé d'aller à Azaadville?

Car si tu est plus fort en Englais qu'en Pakistanais (Urdu) tu pourrait réfléchir d'aller faire des études à Madrasah In'aamiyyah. Ils font les cours completement en Anglais. (www.al-inaam.com)

Je peut t'envoyer un Guide (en pdf) avec tout les détails sur Madrasah Inaamiyyah si tu veux.

Non non.
Actuellement j'étudie en Inde là où le frère Anas a étudié. Mais je réfléchis encore à la question de partir en Afrique du Sud d'ici 1 ou 2 années. C'est pourquoi j'essaie d'avoir le maximum d'infos sur les Madrassah, surtout le cursus. Celui de Zakarriyyah je l'ai, il me faut celui de Azzadville.
Content de faire ta connaissance.
EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED - PLEASE SEE RULES
Par contre je suis preneur pour le fichier. Djazakoumoullah

[Al-Faruqi]

Wa alaykumussalamu wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Désolé mais les admins/modérateurs ne permettent pas de publier nos addresses email en public.

Tu peut télécharger le guide à la fin de ce message ("Attachment").

Can somebody please post the curriculum of Darul Uloom Azaadville for this brother?

[eTeacher]

Wa alaykumussalamu wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Désolé mais les admins/modérateurs ne permettent pas de publier nos addresses email en public.

Tu peut télécharger le guide à la fin de ce message ("Attachment").

Can somebody please post the curriculum of Darul Uloom Azaadville for this brother?

It's under the thread titled: Syllabi of the different Darul Ulums

Also, Sunni Forum has visitors from all across the world, and majority don't speak French so it would be appreciated if you can switch back to English so that we all can benefit from your posts. :)

[Al-Faruqi]

Wassalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Jazak Allahu khayran brother, and sorry for the French.

[Samirrun]

Wa alaykumussalamu wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Désolé mais les admins/modérateurs ne permettent pas de publier nos addresses email en public.

Tu peut télécharger le guide à la fin de ce message ("Attachment").

Can somebody please post the curriculum of Darul Uloom Azaadville for this brother?


En tout cas djazakoumoullahou, merci beaucoup beaucoup.
Guide complet de cette madrassah, toutes les autres institutions devraient en faire de même!
Was-salâm

[bugmenot]

:ws:

May Allah assist you all

[blue420]

Salam Dear Brothers,

Just wanna share a good news with you guyz... I have been accepted by the Madrasah Arabia Islamia, Azaadville for Alim course.
So I am humbly requesting all the brothers and sisters to make Du'a for me.

May Allah accept me for His DEEN. Inshallah

Masalam
MSK

[islam223]

AsalaamuAlaykum, inshAllah if anyone has anyy information about the two madressahs in azaadville for females it would be much appreciated. jzk

[xs11ax]

Salam Dear Brothers,

Just wanna share a good news with you guyz... I have been accepted by the Madrasah Arabia Islamia, Azaadville for Alim course.
So I am humbly requesting all the brothers and sisters to make Du'a for me.

May Allah accept me for His DEEN. Inshallah

Masalam
MSK
salaam

mashallah brother. do the Ummah proud!

may Allah give you great ilm, wisdom and piety.

[mospike]

Allahuakbar.... Alhamdullilah even though we have so many problems in this country a sign of Allahs mercy is that thousands of students are coming to our lands to study Allahs deen.

May Allah continue to use SA and it's people for the Khidmat of Deenul Islam

[S'aad Bekker]

Assalamu Alaykum dear Brother,

Kindly assist me in this regard. I am doing active Dawah on the Internet at my Blog and a Christian Forum set aside by the Christians and Atheists for this kind of debate and I need the assistance of an Afrikaner, Afrikaanspeaking Revert from Protestant Christianity with more experience and knowledge than myself.

I was told that there is currently such a person studing at Darul Uloom Azaadville.

Could somebody please bring me in urgent contact with that person who would, insha'Allah be the ideal person to assist me.

With sincere appreciation,

Assalaum Alaykum,

[mospike]

Wasalaam

Your best bet will be to contact the Darul Uloom and ask for this person. The telephone number for the Darul Uloom is 011 413 2786

Miskien moet jy die MJC bel op 012 696 5155 amper almal van die Ulama van die MJC praat Afrikaans and soms van hulle het met Crissies se skool op ge grooi

[S'aad Bekker]

Wasalaam

Your best bet will be to contact the Darul Uloom and ask for this person. The telephone number for the Darul Uloom is 011 413 2786

Miskien moet jy die MJC bel op 012 696 5155 amper almal van die Ulama van die MJC praat Afrikaans and soms van hulle het met Crissies se skool op ge grooi

Jazak'Allah Brother,

The challenge is however that only a person who grew up as an Afrikaans speaking Protestant Christian would really understand the actual mindset of such Christians. Moslems wat Afrikaans kan praat en wat saam met Chrissies opgegroei het sal sekere dinge nie weet nie, en ek dink, soos Allah wil, wanneer 'n mens met die Chrissies debatteer moet jy presies weet wat hulle geleer was anders mis mens die punt.

Dis soos 'n Christen wat baie Moslem vriende het en dalk selfs saam met Moslems opgegroei het: sulke Christene dink hulle weet wat Moslems regtig glo, maar hulle weet nie eintlik nie: in elk geval dit is my ervaring.

Maar baie dankie vir die telefoon nommer: ek sal soos Allah wil Azaadville skakel.

Mooi dag vir jou: mag Allah jou ryklik seën: alle lof kom Allah toe.

[S'aad Bekker]

Assalamu Alaykum,

I was also wondering: do we have a similar forum like this "Sunni Forum" but which is more South African?

I find this "Sunni Forum" quite interesting but also feel the need for such a local forum, insha'Allah.

Sincerely,

Assalamu Alaykum.

[islambosnia]

Wasalaam

Your best bet will be to contact the Darul Uloom and ask for this person. The telephone number for the Darul Uloom is 011 413 2786

Miskien moet jy die MJC bel op 012 696 5155 amper almal van die Ulama van die MJC praat Afrikaans and soms van hulle het met Crissies se skool op ge grooi

i have intention to study there, but im first going to make masoora with the brothers here in melbourne.... when does the year start and does it follow islamic calender?

[safwaan.suleman]

Assalaamu 'Alaikum. Who is the current Mufti of Darul Uloom Azaadville?

[abdullahnana]

The school year starts after Ramadhan, and will be around Sept. 20, 2010. You can contact them to get the calender for the next year



i have intention to study there, but im first going to make masoora with the brothers here in melbourne.... when does the year start and does it follow islamic calender?

[abdullahnana]

The current Mufti of Azaadville is our respected Ustadh Mufti Saeed Mutara (May Allah perpetuate his blessings). He is one of the senior Muftis of South Africa and studied the science of Fatwa under the Grand Mufti of Deoband, Mufti Mahmood (May Allah have mercy on him). Mufti Saeed Mutara speaks fluent English and writes fluent English. He has been teaching for over 25 years and serves on the Mufti Board of South Africa (Jamiatul Mufteen). He is a great Mufti and I would recommend that Muslims benefit from his knowledge.


Assalaamu 'Alaikum. Who is the current Mufti of Darul Uloom Azaadville?

[Talhah]

:ws:
I don't have details of those courses, the respective madaris or graduates of it could be contacted for more info.
Ml. Abd al-Maliks Madrasah is also in the centre of the capital, to the best of my knowledge.



Newcastle doesn't offer any spe******ed courses. It isn't one of the stronger ilmi Madrasahs, and doesn't have much really senior top teachers.
Camperdown is supposed to start a takhussus in hadith course, however that hasn't materialised.
Ml. Muhammad Harun of Camperdown is a master in hadith especially Ulum al-hadith.
If one could study under it, it would be really worth it.



Mufti Amjad is a recent teacher at the Madrasah, after my time. I know him well however.
I heard from some of the students that they enjoy his advices and explanations of the ahadith concerning Zuhd and Tasawwuf etc.

The Allamah of the Madrasah is Ml. Fazlur Rahman Azmi, the Shaykh al-Hadith. One of his kind, involved in every Dini activity, a walking library and an unmatched embodiment of the Sunnah.

I used to pride myself on my knowledge of books in my Madrasah days, being incharge of the library for 5 of my 6 years there.
Ml. Fazlur Rahman used to call me "Kutub Khana ka kira" ( a book worm), because whenever he asked for a book, I would know if it was in the library and exactly where it stayed therein.
Yet, in spite of this, in the final year, when he would start quoting books ad speaking about the respective merits of each, I found myself drowning in the sea of knowledge pouring fourth from him, so you can imagine the state of the others in my class.


No idea, but the principal, Ml. Abd al-hamid is heavily into Tawassuf and is one of the major Shuyukh of our country.


Assalamu-'alaykum

Are many of the ulama of azadville associated with Hadhrat Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar sahib?

wassalaam

[shatibi]

Assalamu-'alaykum

Are many of the ulama of azadville associated with Hadhrat Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar sahib?

wassalaam

:ws:

Others can add more :insh:, but I think both the Shaykh al-Hadith and the Muhtamim are khulafa of Hadrat Hakim Akhtar sahib.

[Adam_Amin]

Urdu is very easy to learn and very beneficial.
The classes are in English for the first year and the major portion of the second. Even after that, many/most of the teachers teach in English.

The two main Darul Ulum's in SA - Azadville and Zakariyya- both teach through the medium of Urdu. While you could go elsewhere, the quality is not the same, in my opinion.

I would advise you to go to Azadville and study. You will have teachers who are not only really experianced, but are also Awliya of Allah.
The enviroment there is also really conducive to studying.

Assalam alaykum Brothers,
The oldest Darul Uloom in the English speaking world (i.e. outside of the Indo-Pakiskan subcontinent) is the Darul Uloom Newcastle which, as I understand, was established in the early 70s. The main mediums of instruction remain Arabic and English. In the first 2 years students are taught Arabic kitabs (books) through the medium of English. In fact the final exam in the first year is set in Arabic and all students are expected to answer in Arabic. If a student fails the first year Arabic language & grammar (Nahw and Sarf) exams he cannot progress to the 2nd year even if he got distinction in other subjects such as Fiqh, Hadith, etc.
From the 3rd year onwards the language of instruction/teaching at Darul Uloom Newcastle shifts to Arabic (fus-ha or classical Arabic). This depends mostly on the Alim teaching the subject. All Darul Uloom Newcastle teachers are fluent in spoken classical Arabic and can teach through it. This is why most graduates of Darul Uloom Newcastle are very good at Arabic language and very confident in it. Graduates from other Darul Ulooms such as Azaadville, Zakariyya, etc acknowledge and accept that Darul Uloom Newcastle students have an added advantage with the language. There is almost no debate in South Africa among ‘Ulama and students of Darul Ulooms that Newcastle has a superior programme and higher standard of teaching classical Arabic. The debate is on which Darul Uloom in South Africa produces the best students with an overall good training in all subjects. I know of a well known Alim who was at Darul Uloom Azaadville but because he did not want to study Urdu the Principal of Darul Uloom Azaadville (May Allah preserve him) told the ‘alim in question to go to Newcastle. I quote was he was told: “Newcastle is the best place to study through Arabic and I think you will benefit there more than you will benefit here.”
It is difficult to answer the question: which of the Darul Uloom has a better and higher standard of education? The answer depends on your cultural background and what you think a higher standard of education looks like. Students at Azaadville and Zakariyya study in a cultural environment which frowns upon independent critical thinking, asking questions, or challenging your teachers’ opinions on matters relating to the subject. At Newcastle students are strongly encouraged to think for themselves, to think critically, and to ask questions when they disagree with the position of their teachers. For some people, such an approach to Darul Uloom education reflects “a lack of adab” and is a sign that Darul Uloom Newcastle does not have “awliya” (pious scholars). Many people would disagree and argue that the Darul Uloom Newcastle philosophy of education is precisely what is needed in today’s world as it can produce ‘Ulama who are fast on their feet and can defend Islam in a world which is grown hostile to Islam.
I have spoken to a number of graduates from Darul Uloom Azaadvile and Zakariyya who secretly feel that if they had had their way they would have joined Newcastle but they did not want to go against the wishes of their parents. Darul Uloom Azaadville and Zakariyya are wealthier; they have more money than what Darul Uloom can dream of. If by “main Darul Ulooms in South Africa” we mean those with more money and larger land then Azaadville and Zakariyya are the main ones. But if we use different criteria such as the standard of education and the quality of graduates (their ability to work and function in today’s world) then Newcastle is way ahead. Most wealthy parents prefer to send their children to study at Azaadville and Zakariyya. Newcastle is very multiracial and multicultural; you study with students from different backgrounds and races, different parts of the world (including many from Arabic speaking countries), some are very wealthy and many are not wealthy (materially). But they all eat, play, sleep, and study together as a family.

For people living in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc, studying at Azaadville and Zakariyya will be a best option. But if you come from a country which does not speak Urdu and you are interested not only in studying the Kitaabs passively but analysing them with your teachers and challenging each other then Newcastle is the best place for you. I think the best way to judge which Darul Uloom is best for you is to look at what its graduates are doing. See if that is what you would want to do after you have completed your studies. All the Darul Ulooms in South Africa are great and in my opinion are the best in the world. But you have to choose the one that suits your personality and what you want to do in Islam. We cannot all do Tabligh Jamaat and we cannot all work as Imaams in the masjids, Islam expects some of us to do things differently.

[ahlezikr]

[mod edit: please see the three attached files for information from the madrasa. Brought to front of thread for easy access.]

As-salaamu alaykum,

Does anyone know if Madrassa Arabia Islamia in Azaadville requires a student to learn Urdu? If anyone knows a great madrassa that teaches Hanafi fiqh in South Africa that doesn't require someone to learn Urdu please post that info. The last time I was visiting SA I spent a week at the Darul Uloom in Capetown but that institute was shafi'i though.

:salam:

I cant seem to download these files. Can someone help me out?

[Mubid al-Majus]

Assalamu Alaykum dear Brother,

Kindly assist me in this regard. I am doing active Dawah on the Internet at my Blog and a Christian Forum set aside by the Christians and Atheists for this kind of debate and I need the assistance of an Afrikaner, Afrikaanspeaking Revert from Protestant Christianity with more experience and knowledge than myself.

I was told that there is currently such a person studing at Darul Uloom Azaadville.

Could somebody please bring me in urgent contact with that person who would, insha'Allah be the ideal person to assist me.

With sincere appreciation,

Assalaum Alaykum,

salam `alaykum wa rahmatullah,

I'm not certain if you're referring to the same person, but there is one student there whose name is Salah al-Din. He is a white-afrikaaner convert who is fluent in Afrikaans and English, with good knowledge of Arabic and Urdu. His maternal grandfather is one of the major religous figures of the Protestant Chrisitan community in South Africa. If we're talking about the same person, then it's very easy to get in touch with him, he lives in Azaadville and comes to the Dar ul-`Ulum mosque to pray everyday.

[MullaG1]

salam `alaykum wa rahmatullah,

slahudin is there as well as another student who is not african he is a belgium revert and he is staying in the madressa for ramadhan his name is khalil jhonson he speaks dutch which is similar to africans and he speaks good english he is going to the fifth year so he might be helpfull as well but to get in contact with either will have to be through the phone unless you live in sa i dont think either of the 2 have access to the internet

[abdul_rehman]

The current Mufti of Azaadville is our respected Ustadh Mufti Saeed Mutara (May Allah perpetuate his blessings). He is one of the senior Muftis of South Africa and studied the science of Fatwa under the Grand Mufti of Deoband, Mufti Mahmood (May Allah have mercy on him). Mufti Saeed Mutara speaks fluent English and writes fluent English. He has been teaching for over 25 years and serves on the Mufti Board of South Africa (Jamiatul Mufteen). He is a great Mufti and I would recommend that Muslims benefit from his knowledge.

Brother abdullahnana, or any body who knows much about Darul Uloom Azaadville

Assalam Walaikum

I’m 23 years old and my wife 24. We both have bachelor’s degree from USA. Now by the mercy of Allah, Allah taala put in our hearts to change our life style and learn about Deen. We both want to go and do aalim/aalima course (I have heard that one of the best place is South Africa). I recently started researching on this.

Obviously I will not be able to work there if I’m studying there full time. Thus, we will not have any financial support.
Can you please tell me if they have any benefit for married couple like me? If I study in Darul Uloom Azaadville and my wife do the same course close by (please tell me the closest school for her, I have listed some school of South Africa below which I found by searching), do we have to live in the marasah or can we get a small place between both the madrasah? Also, how far is both men and women madrasah from each other? How much you think we will need to contribute every month for living there? (not talking about comfort, just necessity is fine too). When do the semester start and as we both know English and urdu(we may not need to take these classes) how many years program will we be enrolling for? How much time do you think husband and wife will be able to spend in a school day? And how much is the home work for every night and the weekend?

I’m sorry I have so many questions, but as you may understand that I’m absolutely beginner and these basic questions are very important for me. Please reply with these answers and any other information you think is important for us to know. Jazak Allah.
Few Madarasah for Girls I found online by searching. Please tell me which one are the closest and how close from my madarash and which one you recommend:
Madrasah Islaahul Banaat (WOMEN) Landsdowne
Madrasah Banaatul Islaam (WOMEN) Korsten, Port Elizabeth
Madrasatul Banaat (WOMEN) Stanger
Madrasah Swaalihaat (WOMEN) Asherville
Madrasah Talimun Niswan ((WOMEN) PMBurg
Madrasatul Banaat (WOMEN) Azaadville
Madrasah Muneeratul Islam lil Banaat (WOMEN) Azaadville
Girls Madrasah Zakariyyah (WOMEN)

[Imaan21]

Hey i'm from SA n would be willing to help u out!!! :)

[Imaan21]

Brother abdullahnana, or any body who knows much about Darul Uloom Azaadville

Assalam Walaikum

I’m 23 years old and my wife 24. We both have bachelor’s degree from USA. Now by the mercy of Allah, Allah taala put in our hearts to change our life style and learn about Deen. We both want to go and do aalim/aalima course (I have heard that one of the best place is South Africa). I recently started researching on this.

Obviously I will not be able to work there if I’m studying there full time. Thus, we will not have any financial support.
Can you please tell me if they have any benefit for married couple like me? If I study in Darul Uloom Azaadville and my wife do the same course close by (please tell me the closest school for her, I have listed some school of South Africa below which I found by searching), do we have to live in the marasah or can we get a small place between both the madrasah? Also, how far is both men and women madrasah from each other? How much you think we will need to contribute every month for living there? (not talking about comfort, just necessity is fine too). When do the semester start and as we both know English and urdu(we may not need to take these classes) how many years program will we be enrolling for? How much time do you think husband and wife will be able to spend in a school day? And how much is the home work for every night and the weekend?

I’m sorry I have so many questions, but as you may understand that I’m absolutely beginner and these basic questions are very important for me. Please reply with these answers and any other information you think is important for us to know. Jazak Allah.
Few Madarasah for Girls I found online by searching. Please tell me which one are the closest and how close from my madarash and which one you recommend:
Madrasah Islaahul Banaat (WOMEN) Landsdowne
Madrasah Banaatul Islaam (WOMEN) Korsten, Port Elizabeth
Madrasatul Banaat (WOMEN) Stanger
Madrasah Swaalihaat (WOMEN) Asherville
Madrasah Talimun Niswan ((WOMEN) PMBurg
Madrasatul Banaat (WOMEN) Azaadville
Madrasah Muneeratul Islam lil Banaat (WOMEN) Azaadville
Girls Madrasah Zakariyyah (WOMEN)

Madrasah Zakariyya has a girlz n boys section so I guess u could both study there, they also have separate accommodation 4 couples. Not so sure about the money part, will have 2 find out...

[abdul_rehman]

Madrasah Zakariyya has a girlz n boys section so I guess u could both study there, they also have separate accommodation 4 couples. Not so sure about the money part, will have 2 find out...

Thank you Imaan21. Yes I researched on Madrasah Zakariyya and its good for both me and my wife. But I want to keep my options open thats why I'm trying to find out for other places too. I've heard that the Azaadville Darul Uloom is the best one in Soft Africa. Is it true? Also, which female madrassa is closest to Azaadville?

Also, do you know by chance when their (Azadville and zakariya) semester starts? and if both are 7 years course(including one year optional course). Same question for both male and female madrassa(as in when female semester starts and how many years course)


Also, are you studying somewhere too? Sorry not being personal, but wanted to know who is helping me.

جزاك اللهُ خيراً‎

[Imaan21]

Thank you Imaan21. Yes I researched on Madrasah Zakariyya and its good for both me and my wife. But I want to keep my options open thats why I'm trying to find out for other places too. I've heard that the Azaadville Darul Uloom is the best one in Soft Africa. Is it true? Also, which female madrassa is closest to Azaadville?

Also, do you know by chance when their (Azadville and zakariya) semester starts? and if both are 7 years course(including one year optional course). Same question for both male and female madrassa(as in when female semester starts and how many years course)


Also, are you studying somewhere too? Sorry not being personal, but wanted to know who is helping me.

جزاك اللهُ خيراً‎

Ok no problem, no I didn't study there I stay in Port Elizabeth but most of the students from our boys madrassah go there for the last year cos our Darul uloom only do until fourth year. Not sure which is the best from Azaadville or Zakariyya but these are two of the top madrassah's in SA. I will find out when the semester starts but I know it's sumwhere after Ramadhaan, so very close...
:lol:

[abdul_rehman]

Ok no problem, no I didn't study there I stay in Port Elizabeth but most of the students from our boys madrassah go there for the last year cos our Darul uloom only do until fourth year. Not sure which is the best from Azaadville or Zakariyya but these are two of the top madrassah's in SA. I will find out when the semester starts but I know it's sumwhere after Ramadhaan, so very close...
:lol:

Yeah please let me know because some person from another post told me that Madarssa Inamiyya starts in January, and I heared that Madarsa mostly starts after ramzan.

Which school is in Post Elizabeth which has four years only(as you are saying that students go after four to these institute? I think azaadville and zakariyya are 7 years. It may be better to do 4 years from your place and then go there for last year (saves couple of years). What do you think? I'm already 23, and if I start next year(24) then I rather go for the least years.

Also, let me know if you know how many years program is in both azaad ville, zakariya and post elizabeth (least years I can attend). Also, if you know how many years and when does azaad ville(female) and zakariya(female) starts. Any information if you know will be really helpful :)

[Imaan21]

Yeah please let me know because some person from another post told me that Madarssa Inamiyya starts in January, and I heared that Madarsa mostly starts after ramzan.

Which school is in Post Elizabeth which has four years only(as you are saying that students go after four to these institute? I think azaadville and zakariyya are 7 years. It may be better to do 4 years from your place and then go there for last year (saves couple of years). What do you think? I'm already 23, and if I start next year(24) then I rather go for the least years.

Also, let me know if you know how many years program is in both azaad ville, zakariya and post elizabeth (least years I can attend). Also, if you know how many years and when does azaad ville(female) and zakariya(female) starts. Any information if you know will be really helpful :)

Hey cool, I'll find out from my dad after taraweeh. He's an aalim too n know a lot of the teachers from there....

[abdul_rehman]

Hey cool, I'll find out from my dad after taraweeh. He's an aalim too n know a lot of the teachers from there....

Mashallah your are lucky to have your father being an aalim. Funny and unfortunate thing is that not only in my family, but I don't even have a relative who is an aalim. If Allah will, atleast may be I be the first one in all. Please make dua for me.

[Imaan21]

Mashallah your are lucky to have your father being an aalim. Funny and unfortunate thing is that not only in my family, but I don't even have a relative who is an aalim. If Allah will, atleast may be I be the first one in all. Please make dua for me.

Here are some numbers of Madrassah's in south Africa, maybe u could call whichever one u thinking of joining, our dialing code is 0027 and as you know u should omit the first zero from the city code... Hope this helps!!

http://www.quranunion.co.za/institutions.php

[abdul_rehman]

Here are some numbers of Madrassah's in south Africa, maybe u could call whichever one u thinking of joining, our dialing code is 0027 and as you know u should omit the first zero from the city code... Hope this helps!!

http://www.quranunion.co.za/institutions.php

Iman21, I already got Alhamdolillah answer of alot of my questions from reading different thread. I'm posting a new question which consist of all the concerns I have now. Alhamdolillah I got answers to many question. Please read my next question, I will also quote a moderator here so they can see and answer too(I don't know that help though as I don't know much about sunni forum but love this place).

[abdul_rehman]

I started in Azadville in 1997.

Thank you everybody for helping us sooo much (this goes from the first person of the thread till now and future. I didn’t even had to ask a lot of thing but people had already asked question for me(as in for themselves). Jazak Allah Khair. All info yet I have obtained about Darul Ulooms is completely from Sunniforumm. May Allah bless all of you for your effort.

Till now, I have learned that the best place for married couples in Soft Africa in regards to madaris is Azadville and Zakariya. But I still don’t know which one is better for me. Let me know if somebody have any suggestion for me for where to go?

Also, there are few things I need to clarify for myself. Please answer me the following if you can:

1. I read in a thread of zakariya that aalim course is for 6-7 years. First year(Pre-alim) optional.
- Can you please clarify if it is optional for both Azadville(male) and Zakariya(male)?
- Is it 6 years minimum(if we don’t take the first year)?
- How much will not taking first year effect on my later on studies?
2. How many years course is for Female Madaris in Azadville and zakariya?
3. How far is walking distance between male and female madaris:
- Azadville male to azadville female?
- Zakariya male to zakariya female?
4. What is the best mean for traveling to buy necessities? (bus, taxi or personal car)? If personal car, how much are cars there? Let’s say Toyota corolla 2000 or Toyota Camry 2000?
5. How much importance is given to Niqaab for both Azaadville(female) and Zakariya(Female)(just curious)
6. Can you please provide me with the thread for both Azaadville (female) and Zakariya(female).

Jazak Allah Khair.

[Imaan21]

Thank you everybody for helping us sooo much (this goes from the first person of the thread till now and future. I didn’t even had to ask a lot of thing but people had already asked question for me(as in for themselves). Jazak Allah Khair. All info yet I have obtained about Darul Ulooms is completely from Sunniforumm. May Allah bless all of you for your effort.

Till now, I have learned that the best place for married couples in Soft Africa in regards to madaris is Azadville and Zakariya. But I still don’t know which one is better for me. Let me know if somebody have any suggestion for me for where to go?

Also, there are few things I need to clarify for myself. Please answer me the following if you can:

1. I read in a thread of zakariya that aalim course is for 6-7 years. First year(Pre-alim) optional.
- Can you please clarify if it is optional for both Azadville(male) and Zakariya(male)?
- Is it 6 years minimum(if we don’t take the first year)?
- How much will not taking first year effect on my later on studies?
2. How many years course is for Female Madaris in Azadville and zakariya?
3. How far is walking distance between male and female madaris:
- Azadville male to azadville female?
- Zakariya male to zakariya female?
4. What is the best mean for traveling to buy necessities? (bus, taxi or personal car)? If personal car, how much are cars there? Let’s say Toyota corolla 2000 or Toyota Camry 2000?
5. How much importance is given to Niqaab for both Azaadville(female) and Zakariya(Female)(just curious)
6. Can you please provide me with the thread for both Azaadville (female) and Zakariya(female).

Jazak Allah Khair.

Brother why don't you call the madrassah you chose instead of asking many people b'cos not all info people give is correct. If I were u, and say I decided on Azaadville I would have called the madrassah, asked them if they had an email address for me to pose a few questions and in that way I would know all the info is correct, I don't know but I never like asking lots of people I prefer going direct. Anyway hope u come right cos I will have to find out all the questions besides number 5, I know from friends they are very strict with hijaab and guards keep watch the entire day to see girls don't go out without permission, and any outsiders coming in...

[abdul_rehman]

Brother why don't you call the madrassah you chose instead of asking many people b'cos not all info people give is correct. If I were u, and say I decided on Azaadville I would have called the madrassah, asked them if they had an email address for me to pose a few questions andH in that way I would know all the info is correct, I don't know but I never like asking lots of people I prefer going direct. Anyway hope u come right cos I will have to find out all the questions besides number 5, I know from friends they are very strict with hijaab and guards keep watch the entire day to see girls don't go out without permission, and any outsiders coming in...

You are right brother, I will inshallah call them tomorrow south Africa 3PM time. I was not calling them before because I read in a forum that they both are closed in Ramadan. I will Inshallah still try calling them tomorow. Jazak Allah khair for your help though and I hope your friend may even provide me with the answers if I can't contact them.

[Imaan21]

You are right brother, I will inshallah call them tomorrow south Africa 3PM time. I was not calling them before because I read in a forum that they both are closed in Ramadan. I will Inshallah still try calling them tomorow. Jazak Allah khair for your help though and I hope your friend may even provide me with the answers if I can't contact them.

Why brother, lol! I think its sista :lol: ... If u can't contact them, i will from this side and ask them 4 an email address, just tell me which 1 u wanna contact and I'll be more than willing to help.

[ahmedkhan00]

Asalam Alikum

I'm 24 years old and plan to go to Azaadville for the alim course next year (when I'm 25). Does the madrassa accept students my age? What challenges will I face for being 25 years old at the madrassa? advantages and disadvantages? Are there more people of the same age at the madrassa? What are other alternatives for a person who is in his mid-twenties to study the deen?

Thankyou for your answers

[Mathbooh]

:salam:

Assalamu Alaykum dear Brother,

Kindly assist me in this regard. I am doing active Dawah on the Internet at my Blog and a Christian Forum set aside by the Christians and Atheists for this kind of debate and I need the assistance of an Afrikaner, Afrikaanspeaking Revert from Protestant Christianity with more experience and knowledge than myself.

I was told that there is currently such a person studing at Darul Uloom Azaadville.

Could somebody please bring me in urgent contact with that person who would, insha'Allah be the ideal person to assist me.

With sincere appreciation,

Assalaum Alaykum,

Bro,you are referring to Salhuddin du Preez.If you have not yet got in touch with him,you can ask the mods for my e-mail.

was salaam

[abdul_rehman]

Why brother, lol! I think its sista :lol: ... If u can't contact them, i will from this side and ask them 4 an email address, just tell me which 1 u wanna contact and I'll be more than willing to help.

Assalam Walaikum again sister, I got a reply from zakariya male that they will email me soon their info. and I talked with zakariya female Institude too. I emailed azadville male but didn't get a reply yet so I'll call them tomorow. (this is my progress yet). Can you provide me contact info of azadville female madrassa please? Thank you.

[abdul_rehman]

Assalam Walaikum again sister, I got a reply from zakariya male that they will email me soon their info. and I talked with zakariya female Institude too. I emailed azadville male but didn't get a reply yet so I'll call them tomorow. (this is my progress yet). Can you provide me contact info of azadville female madrassa please? Thank you.

Assalam Walaikum

I got contact number of both female (azadville & zakariya. I have it below if somebody needs it).

Contacts Information for Azaadville Fe-Male:
0027114131364
0027114131381

Contacts Information for Zakariya Fe-Male:
Madrasah Mueinul Islam
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Principal
1 Mustard Drive , Zakariyya Park ,Gauteng, JHB ,
South Africa, 1829
+27118591367
+27118591813

On phone azadville said there Aalima program is 4 years and zakariya said there's is 5 years. Does anybody know what things azadville don't teach?

[Husain]

On phone azadville said there Aalima program is 4 years and zakariya 5. Does anybody know what things azadville don't teach?

:ws:

I think Azadville Girls Madrasah only teaches until Mishkat, while the Zakariya Madrasah teaches "Sihah Sittah".

[abdul_rehman]

:ws:

I think Azadville Girls Madrasah only teaches until Mishkat, while the Zakariya Madrasah teaches "Sihah Sittah".

Thanks. I will inshallah call azadville again and confirm about sihah satta. I thought all the aalim course teach sihah Sitta in last year.

My wife called and asked them about the issue that can a mother bring her new born to school, and if so then for how long. The lady said she doesn't know and we have to talk to the principal(but our time not matching yet). We will call him next week. Though do you know anything about this issue?

[ahmedkhan00]

Asalam Alikum

I'm 24 years old and plan to go to Azaadville for the alim course next year (when I'm 25). Does the madrassa accept students my age? What challenges will I face for being 25 years old at the madrassa? advantages and disadvantages? Are there more people of the same age at the madrassa? What are other alternatives for a person who is in his mid-twenties to study the deen?

Thankyou for your answers

Asalam Alikum

Could someone plz answer my query. I would be grateful. JazakAllah

[abdul_rehman]

Asalam Alikum

Could someone plz answer my query. I would be grateful. JazakAllah

Assalam Walaikum brother,
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I’m sorry that you didn’t get reply yet. I’m 23 right now and inshallah planning to go next year too. We are both in the similar situation, so I can assist you with how much I know. Brother the first thing you should do is to go through the thread here, alhamdolillah these threads have a lot of information for us and we receive many answers from these thread. Few of the theads I recommend is:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?25434-Help!-Info-needed-on-Darul-Ulooms...
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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?27235-Madressa-Zakariya-Park-(Darul-Uloom-Zakariyya)
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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?11353-Madrasah-In-aamiya-Information-Thread-(Camperdown-South-Africa)

The above threads contains different madrassa information (not only azaadville). In one of the thread I read that they are different ages people who studies there, even one student was there who was 31 years old.
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As far as advantages and disadvantages are concerned, you should make mashwara with elders(your local scholars or pious people) and tell them your situation. I don’t really see any disadvantage in learing about the deen, but regarding advantages there have been books written for virtues of knowledge. On the brochure for azaadville info. for aalim course this was written which I really liked and want to share with you:
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Allaah will raise up those of you who believe and who have been granted knowledge.
Say, are those equal, who know and those who do not know.
Those truly fear Allaah among His servants who have knowledge.
(From this aayah it is gathered that the recognition of Allaah Y is gained through the knowledge of Dien).


The learning of knowledge for the pleasure of Allaah Y falls under the decree of Taqwa (fear of Allaah Y), to seek it is Ibadat, to learn it is Jihaad, to read it is Sadqa (charity), to spend it on your family (teaching it) is gaining nearness to Allaah Y. This is so because by knowledge one distinguishes between the permissible and impermissible and it is a sign to the road of Jannah.

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Please let me know if you have any other question which I will be able to assist. As we both are on the same page, we can learn and assist each other very well.
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May Allah accept you and me to go and learn Deen. Please make special dua for me.
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Assalam Walaikum

[ahmedkhan00]

Asalam Alikum brother

Thankyou for your response. I will inshAllah look at those threads.

It is good to know that people my age and older are also attending the madris.

Alhamdulillah there are many advantages of learning the deen. What I meant in my original post was that I have heard most students are young (in their teens), so what are the advantages or disadvantages for a person in his mid twenties to be attending the madrassa. Advantages and disadvantages with respect to age. Maybe its a stupid question because it might not make a difference, but if it does I would like to know.

InshAllah brother may Allah accept both of us and other like us who want to learn and then practice and spread the deen.
Asalam Alikum

[abdul_rehman]

Asalam Alikum brother

Thankyou for your response. I will inshAllah look at those threads.

It is good to know that people my age and older are also attending the madris.

Alhamdulillah there are many advantages of learning the deen. What I meant in my original post was that I have heard most students are young (in their teens), so what are the advantages or disadvantages for a person in his mid twenties to be attending the madrassa. Advantages and disadvantages with respect to age. Maybe its a stupid question because it might not make a difference, but if it does I would like to know.

InshAllah brother may Allah accept both of us and other like us who want to learn and then practice and spread the deen.
Asalam Alikum

Walaikum Salam

I think a person who is already there and of our age may be able to answer you better. In my opinion, offcource age may be a little issue, but I my self is going to learn Quran(tajweed) right now. I'm the oldest in the class but the biggest difference between me and them is that I'm sacrificing many things just to learn. Thus alhamdolillah I very twice harder with interest and alhamdollillah result is good(No body is behind us and pushing us to study but it's that we want to study).

This point always encourage me. Also, the more we struggle, the more reward we get :)

[ahmedkhan00]

Asalam Alikum

Abdul Rehman, which Darul Uloom are you planning on going to?

Salam

[abdul_rehman]

Asalam Alikum

Abdul Rehman, which Darul Uloom are you planning on going to?

Salam

Walaikum Salam,
I don't know yet. First I'm gonna take as much info as possible and then put it in front of scholars(mashwara with them) in my town and ask them what is better for me. My situation is that i will inshallah go with my wife so both madaris has to be close by. Most probably either azaadvillr or zakariyya inshallah.

[Jun1955]

Assalamu'alaikum Bro Abdul Rehman,
I'm planning to send my girl to Azaadville. If you happen to have obtained the application form kindly email to me clipped I really appreciate your kind assistance.

[abdul_rehman]

Assalam Walaikum
Sorry for late reply brother. No I don't have application from them right now as I'm not sure yet where we will be going (still searching) though this is their contact info:

Contacts Information for Azaadville Fe-Male:
0027114131364
0027114131381

Please reply if any question which I can help u with.

[Jun1955]

JazakAllah, I hv received letter of offer from Azaadville for my girl to study alimah. Due to high number of Malaysian there, I hv managed to find a smaller Mad (40 students, 95% foreign) so that my girl could have better focus in her studies. Its call Mad Muneeratul Banaat at Roshnee about 15min drive from Zak Park (Mol Satharia Ph no : 0027165901307). There is another one Mad Abrar (Mol Ismail Ph no : 0027118524868). My son is at DUAI, Capetown (Mol Bakr Ph no : 0027218560311). Here they practice Mazhab Shafie but they do not go memorizing text fr cover to cover of Kitaab, but they palce emphasize on understanding. Several American and Canadian r studying there, includes one Medical Practitioner in 3rd year. Mad Fatimah Al Zaharah is avaiable for ladies in Capetown. Salam.

[faisal-uk]

JazakAllah, I hv received letter of offer from Azaadville for my girl to study alimah. Due to high number of Malaysian there, I hv managed to find a smaller Mad (40 students, 95% foreign) so that my girl could have better focus in her studies. Its call Mad Muneeratul Banaat at Roshnee about 15min drive from Zak Park (Mol Satharia Ph no : 0027165901307). There is another one Mad Abrar (Mol Ismail Ph no : 0027118524868). My son is at DUAI, Capetown (Mol Bakr Ph no : 0027218560311). Here they practice Mazhab Shafie but they do not go memorizing text fr cover to cover of Kitaab, but they palce emphasize on understanding. Several American and Canadian r studying there, includes one Medical Practitioner in 3rd year. Mad Fatimah Al Zaharah is avaiable for ladies in Capetown. Salam.

:salam: sister,

could you please tell me how your son is finding it at DUAI?

i have heard that due to lack of funding the madrassa is in very poor condition. is this true?

could you please give some details regarding DUAI -

- no. of students
- facilities i.e cafeteria, gym etc
- size of library

i have e-mailed them several times but never received a reply.

anyway, :jazak: in advance.

[Jun1955]

:salam: sister,

could you please tell me how your son is finding it at DUAI?

i have heard that due to lack of funding the madrassa is in very poor condition. is this true?

could you please give some details regarding DUAI -

- no. of students
- facilities i.e cafeteria, gym etc
- size of library

i have e-mailed them several times but never received a reply.

anyway, :jazak: in advance.

Wa'alakum Salam Brother Faisal.

DUAI is an effort by Mol Toha, a brilliant and refutable Scholar living in Strand, Cape Town. I saw some effort he made to get Authority to recognise DUAI but to no avail. Due to this he has started opening academic classes as well. My son loves to continue his studies there and looking forward to be graduated with Bachelor Degree in Syariah in 3 years. He does not mind the Mujahaddah. There's no proper Gym but they play football though. One of Malaysian student does have a Scrambler to ram on the field. You wouldn't expect the cafetaria to fully satisfy your eating habits though. As for Malaysians they purchased a Wendy House to make a kitchen. There about 40 'alim students currently. Books are reasonably readily available as Mol Toha places much emphasis on reference rather than memorizing. I hv tried to attach photos but it doesn't work (unless someone can assist).
If you are serious to enter DUAI, we'll try to help in one way or another, DUAI establish strict selection criteria. BarokAllahu fik.

[Zahed]

Asalam Alikum

I'm 24 years old and plan to go to Azaadville for the alim course next year (when I'm 25). Does the madrassa accept students my age? What challenges will I face for being 25 years old at the madrassa? advantages and disadvantages? Are there more people of the same age at the madrassa? What are other alternatives for a person who is in his mid-twenties to study the deen?

Thankyou for your answers

Assalaamu A'laykum Wa Rahmatullah.

Brother Ahmed Khan,

I'm a university student and my age is now 22. Next year my graduation will be completed and then Inshallah I'll go to study A'lim course. My choice is also Azaadville Madrasah. I've sent e-mail to them, but they have not replied. Before that I also sent e-mail to many other Madrasah, but no one replied except Darul Uloom Newcastle.
Btw brother, I live in Bangladesh. Which is your country? Also please inform me the time you'll go.
Jazakallah.

[ahmedkhan00]

Assalaamu A'laykum Wa Rahmatullah.

Brother Ahmed Khan,

I'm a university student and my age is now 22. Next year my graduation will be completed and then Inshallah I'll go to study A'lim course. My choice is also Azaadville Madrasah. I've sent e-mail to them, but they have not replied. Before that I also sent e-mail to many other Madrasah, but no one replied except Darul Uloom Newcastle.
Btw brother, I live in Bangladesh. Which is your country? Also please inform me the time you'll go.
Jazakallah.


Walaikumu Salam Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatu

Brother I plan to go next year inshAllah. I still have to contact the madrassa myself. I have narrowed down my choice to one of 3 SA madaris. Currently I'm in the United Kingdom but I'm from Pakistan and my permanent place of residence is also in Pakistan. I'm working here in the UK. I plan to save up some money before I can go seek knowledge inshAllah.

[Zahed]

Walaikumu Salam Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatu

Brother I plan to go next year inshAllah. I still have to contact the madrassa myself. I have narrowed down my choice to one of 3 SA madaris. Currently I'm in the United Kingdom but I'm from Pakistan and my permanent place of residence is also in Pakistan. I'm working here in the UK. I plan to save up some money before I can go seek knowledge inshAllah.


Assalaamu A'laykum Wa Rahmatullah

Brother,
Will you go SA from UK? Have you not applied in any Madrasah yet? You'll have to spend money for communication only. During study if you can not bear monthly expenses, Madrasah will pay it for you. I have aimed to go in January or February of 2012 inshaAllah. But I have two problems: My family is in opposition to my decision and there is no embassy of SA in Bangladesh. For Visa perhaps I'll have to go India. Please make Dua for me. May Allah S.W.T help us. Aameen.

[ahmedkhan00]

Assalaamu A'laykum Wa Rahmatullah

Brother,
Will you go SA from UK? Have you not applied in any Madrasah yet? You'll have to spend money for communication only. During study if you can not bear monthly expenses, Madrasah will pay it for you. I have aimed to go in January or February of 2012 inshaAllah. But I have two problems: My family is in opposition to my decision and there is no embassy of SA in Bangladesh. For Visa perhaps I'll have to go India. Please make Dua for me. May Allah S.W.T help us. Aameen.


Yes I will be going to SA from the UK. Have not applied in any yet. I'm thinking of applying to madrasah in'aamiyyah camperdown. I'm aware that madrash can pay expenses however, if i work 3 months I can save up enough to pay for myself so I plan to do that inshAllah. I plan to call the madrash within this week inshAllah. Brother, right now I have the same problem as well, that my family might not agree. But inshAllah I will try my best to explain it to them and hopefully they will understand. I wish you all the best.

[A student]

Asalam Alikum brother

It is good to know that people my age and older are also attending the madris.
Alhamdulillah there are many advantages of learning the deen. What I meant in my original post was that I have heard most students are young (in their teens), so what are the advantages or disadvantages for a person in his mid twenties to be attending the madrassa. Advantages and disadvantages with respect to age. Maybe its a stupid question because it might not make a difference, but if it does I would like to know.

Aslmkm. Brother I dont thing age is a problem. In my class in Azaadville one student was in his forties! And his son was just one year behind up! At Isipingo Beach I know of a student in his fifties! I'm sure they must have had to make sabr on the immaturity of some of the teens in their classes but I guess one just has to laugh it off without letting it get to one. Remember that Ilm comes with humility.

[blue420]

Assalaamu A'laykum Wa Rahmatullah.

Brother Ahmed Khan,

I'm a university student and my age is now 22. Next year my graduation will be completed and then Inshallah I'll go to study A'lim course. My choice is also Azaadville Madrasah. I've sent e-mail to them, but they have not replied. Before that I also sent e-mail to many other Madrasah, but no one replied except Darul Uloom Newcastle.
Btw brother, I live in Bangladesh. Which is your country? Also please inform me the time you'll go.
Jazakallah.


Salam Bro,

It's nice hear that you are going to Madrassa. But I think u should think before u go to SA. I just came from there i mean Azaadville. I did not like it there even though they have good Ustads...
My advise to you try to find some good alim in you city and study ur sarf and Nahwa which is the base of the arabic with them. and i think u can finish it here very well which is going to take 3 long years in Azzadville with other books (urdu). and they will give u a lots of book which u dont even need. Plz my sincere advise for u is that u can finish alim course within 4 years if u study with some good alim in ur city.... take the guaranty inshallah.

If u need any help let me know Inshallah i will try to help ya.
I live in chittagong now.
MSK

[Zahed]

Salam Bro,

It's nice hear that you are going to Madrassa. But I think u should think before u go to SA. I just came from there i mean Azaadville. I did not like it there even though they have good Ustads...
My advise to you try to find some good alim in you city and study ur sarf and Nahwa which is the base of the arabic with them. and i think u can finish it here very well which is going to take 3 long years in Azzadville with other books (urdu). and they will give u a lots of book which u dont even need. Plz my sincere advise for u is that u can finish alim course within 4 years if u study with some good alim in ur city.... take the guaranty inshallah.

If u need any help let me know Inshallah i will try to help ya.
I live in chittagong now.
MSK

:salam:

Brother, please give me your mobile no.
I have a plenty of things to say.

Expecting your quick response.

:jazak:

[blue420]

:salam:

Brother, please give me your mobile no.
I have a plenty of things to say.

Expecting your quick response.

:jazak:

Salam,

Call me On 0088-01925017506

wish u good luck inshallah
MSK

[siraj.m]

Assalaamu'alaykum brothers and sisters. I am after the application form of this darul uloom (azaadville). If anyone has it or knows how to get it may I kindly be advised how.

Also, does the application form change each year? As I haven't decided whether to apply for this year or next year but would like to hold on to the form from now - and - how long before the school year begins should i begin applying? or just as soon as possible?

Jazakallah kheir and wa'alaykum salaam!

edit: Also, I planned to go to study Arabic for a year prior to attending Azaadville (alim course). Is this a good idea? or does Azaadville teach you Arabic from the beginning (alif, ba, ta, etc)??

[siraj.m]

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[A student]

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Aslmkm.
I suggest you contact the Madrasa directly and explain your situation to them. Generally as long as you apply before the start of the academic year for which you wish to enrol you will be safe. The academic year begins after Ramadhan.

And yes the Madrasah teaches Arabic from the basics.

[siraj.m]

Aslmkm.
I suggest you contact the Madrasa directly and explain your situation to them. Generally as long as you apply before the start of the academic year for which you wish to enrol you will be safe. The academic year begins after Ramadhan.

And yes the Madrasah teaches Arabic from the basics.

Thanks brother. The reason why I ask is because on one of the azaadville attachments here it says that a student needs to be fluent in reading Arabic. I am not. How necessary is it or can one learn to read at Darul uloom Azaadville?

Sorry about wanting the specifics akhi.

[A student]

Thanks brother. The reason why I ask is because on one of the azaadville attachments here it says that a student needs to be fluent in reading Arabic. I am not. How necessary is it or can one learn to read at Darul uloom Azaadville?

Sorry about wanting the specifics akhi.

What it probably means is that a person should be able to read Arabic (Nazara) even though he does not understand it. In other words he should have a basic maktab education. This will be possessed by anyone who can read Quran whilst looking inside. If a person cannot do this then I do not think it will be necessary for him to take off one year for it. Within a few weeks he should be able to learn it from the Imam of his local Musjid. Remember me in your duas.

[siraj.m]

What it probably means is that a person should be able to read Arabic (Nazara) even though he does not understand it. In other words he should have a basic maktab education. This will be possessed by anyone who can read Quran whilst looking inside. If a person cannot do this then I do not think it will be necessary for him to take off one year for it. Within a few weeks he should be able to learn it from the Imam of his local Musjid. Remember me in your duas.

Jazakallah kheir.

Although, my flights have already been booked for the Arabic course and that's a week away. My plans only recently changed to include Azaadville. So because of this, I don't have a week with the imam at my local musjid. Anyway, what I gain from the next 3-4 months at the Arabic course will inshaAllah give me enough to go to Azaadville.

I was taking the year off for Arabic to get into Darul Mustafa in Yemen and they require you to know and understand Arabic. But now, as you can see, my plans are heading towards Azaadville.

I'll make dua for you if you do so for me haha.

Assalaamu'alaykum brother and double jazakallah for all your help thus far.

[siraj.m]

So does anyone know why Darul uloom zakariyya is 7 years while Azaadville is 6??

On the zakariyya website their first year is learning Urdu and Arabic. Does Azaadville skip this or something?

Also, Which school has less students/intimate classes?

Jazakallah.

[siraj.m]

Assalaamu'alaykum.

InshaAllah, I need an answer urgently as I'm in the decision process of where to continue after my studies here in Syria. Basically I'd like to know if Azaadville has the same foundation year (Arabic and Urdu) as Zakariyya and how it's 6 years as opposed to the 7 years at Zakariyya.

[Husain]

Assalaamu'alaykum.

InshaAllah, I need an answer urgently as I'm in the decision process of where to continue after my studies here in Syria. Basically I'd like to know if Azaadville has the same foundation year (Arabic and Urdu) as Zakariyya and how it's 6 years as opposed to the 7 years at Zakariyya.

:ws:

Both offer a pre-first year, called I'dadiyyah. This is a preparatory year, in which students focus in learning Urdu and a bit of Arabic as well as ensuring that their reading of the quran (Nazirah) is up to scratch.
This is optional in Azadville.

It was optional in Zaks as well, however a few years ago they incorporated it into the Alim course and named it the first year, making the course seven years.
They have modified their syllabus somewhat allowing students 2 years to focus on learning Urdu and Arabic, before going into other books.

The focus on Urdu isn't as strong in Azadville and the admin there feel that this year isn't necessary.

[siraj.m]

JazakAllah kheir sheikh for your help. I've bee reading the Islamic Education threads and have noticed your deep insight in this field. If it's not too much to ask, may I please email you for an in depth question about my studies inshaAllah?

wa'alaykum salaam

[oomjihad]

Assalaamu'alaikum: My two sons will be studying at Azaadville soon Insha Allah. We are in the US. Is there a website for Darul Uloom Azaadville that my family can refer to for answers to their questions/concerns? I've assured them as much as possible but it'd be easier to just refer them to a specific website.

JazakAllahu Khayran

[siraj.m]

salaamualaykum all. I would like to know if, for example, after studying the books for the first 3 years of the course with a local sheikh, can one enter the fourth year? or the first 5 years and enter the 6th?? like an entry exam? and if so, how would one prove it if he has been studying with a local sheikh that can't give certificates or anything like that?

JazakAllah

[Salman253]

Moulana Husain,
Since other brothers don't seem to know much about Sheikh Taha Karaans Darul Uloom in SA, I was wondering how it would compare to other Darul Ulooms in SA and also are their any prerequisites to going to any Darul Uloom for example having a certain level of knowlege. My knowlege is very basic at the moment but I do have the zeal to learn, this question has been bothering me a lot lately it would be great if brothers could clarify for me.
Jazakallah Khair

[mospike]

Moulana Husain,
Since other brothers don't seem to know much about Sheikh Taha Karaans Darul Uloom in SA, I was wondering how it would compare to other Darul Ulooms in SA and also are their any prerequisites to going to any Darul Uloom for example having a certain level of knowlege. My knowlege is very basic at the moment but I do have the zeal to learn, this question has been bothering me a lot lately it would be great if brothers could clarify for me.
Jazakallah Khair

Theres no need to compare the madrassa's. Each one is excellent in terms of the objectives that they have set out for themselves.

You will be assessed (in cases where you are not sure of your level) by the madrassa. Thereafter you will be entered into the preparatory year if needed otherwise into year one of the 6 or 7 years course depending on the madrassa that you choose.




Madrasah Arabia Islamia
P O Box 9786
Azaadville 1750
South Africa
Tel: 0027 11 413 2786
Fax: 0027 11 413 2787
E Mails: mufti@webmail.co.za
mai1786@hotmail.com


Darul Uloom Zakariyyah at duzak@netactive.co.za or P.O. Box 10786, Lenasia, 1820, Tel : 011 859 1912, Fax : 011 859 1138

[Salman253]

As Salaamlaikum
When I said "compare" I was just asking for Mufi's opinion forgive me if I was being unclear. I can't seem to find a way to contact the Darul Uloom and please don't refer me to their website since it has been down for a long time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
JazakAllah Khair

[siraj.m]

Salaamualaykum. I have recently sent my application and InshaAllah they accept me.
I just have a question though,

1. if I am accepted and I go to Azaadville a few days before class starts, will I have to get a hotel for those nights or can I start living there straight away?

2. Also, is there any opportunity of using the internet there? As there are a things I need to take care of in the next year or so via internet.

3. And how strict are they with laptops and iPods? as I like to listen to lectures on these.

Salaams.

[waleed_A]

Assalamu Alaikum brothers

I am thinking about going to study Alim course in south Africa and I have narrowed down my choices to 2 darul ulooms
they are darul uloom azadville and darul uloom Zakariyah

can anyone give my any contact info (phone numbers, websites etc.) about these two madaris so I can talk to the office about admission so I can start
studying after ramadan.

Also I just want to mention that I live in Canada so is it relatively easy to get a visa for south africa or is like England.
because to get a visa for england, I heard it is very difficult these days.

Anyway if someone could answer these questions for me inshaAllah it would really be helpful.

JazakAllah khair.

[siraj.m]

Assalamu Alaikum brothers

I am thinking about going to study Alim course in south Africa and I have narrowed down my choices to 2 darul ulooms
they are darul uloom azadville and darul uloom Zakariyah

can anyone give my any contact info (phone numbers, websites etc.) about these two madaris so I can talk to the office about admission so I can start
studying after ramadan.

Also I just want to mention that I live in Canada so is it relatively easy to get a visa for south africa or is like England.
because to get a visa for england, I heard it is very difficult these days.

Anyway if someone could answer these questions for me inshaAllah it would really be helpful.

JazakAllah khair.

Brother Waleed, if you scroll about 3 posts up, post number 186, has answered your question.
Was-Salaam.

[siraj.m]

Theres no need to compare the madrassa's. Each one is excellent in terms of the objectives that they have set out for themselves.


Salaams. For the people who don't know what the two madrasas objectives are can you please let us know inshaAllah? JazakAllah!

[siraj.m]

Salaams all.

For Azaadville and Zakarriya if possible

1. I am wondering, for the married couple, does the time table for classes allow them to go and see their partner at any time of the day?
2. And if they were to get boarding from the actual school, where is the boarding? on one of the campuses or off campus?
3. and does this boarding cost more since its for two people?
4. how long is the waiting list usually for?
5. MONTHLY expenses for a married couple. Rent etc.
6. If I can only rent outside in the local area, how much would a 1 bedroom simple house cost? The cheaper the better :)

JazakAllah everyone.

[siraj.m]

Salaams. I desperately need an answer to the above question as the time is coming close to leaving. Thanks

[siraj.m]

:ws:

Both offer a pre-first year, called I'dadiyyah. This is a preparatory year, in which students focus in learning Urdu and a bit of Arabic as well as ensuring that their reading of the quran (Nazirah) is up to scratch.
This is optional in Azadville.

It was optional in Zaks as well, however a few years ago they incorporated it into the Alim course and named it the first year, making the course seven years.
They have modified their syllabus somewhat allowing students 2 years to focus on learning Urdu and Arabic, before going into other books.

The focus on Urdu isn't as strong in Azadville and the admin there feel that this year isn't necessary.

I apologise for troubling you so much but respected sheikh, can you please help me with my latest question? The post above inshaAllah.
Was-salaam

[Husain]

:ws:

Answers in red below


Salaams all.

For Azaadville and Zakarriya if possible

1. I am wondering, for the married couple, does the time table for classes allow them to go and see their partner at any time of the day? After Dhur (2 hours), after Asr (just more than an hour)
2. And if they were to get boarding from the actual school, where is the boarding? on one of the campuses or off campus? You rent a house near the Madrasah
3. and does this boarding cost more since its for two people? You don't pay Madrasah boarding, you pay rent for the house
4. how long is the waiting list usually for? No idea
5. MONTHLY expenses for a married couple. Rent etc. - There is a thread on the topic, search for it
6. If I can only rent outside in the local area, how much would a 1 bedroom simple house cost? The cheaper the better :) Look for the thread.

JazakAllah everyone.

[siraj.m]

:ws:

Answers in red below

Sheikh, thanks for the prompt reply however, do you have any idea what the topic of the thread is called as i cant seem to find it.

Was-salaam

[Husain]

Sheikh, thanks for the prompt reply however, do you have any idea what the topic of the thread is called as i cant seem to find it.

Was-salaam

It is just a post or two.
See here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?28600-Any-Ulema-who-ve-started-their-studies-later-in-life&p=246793#post246793)

See here (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?33392-studying-and-age-limit) as well

[ImamGhazzaali]

Is it compulsory to have Tajweed to enroll in the Madaaris? or will it be taught ?

[siraj.m]

:ws:

Answers in red below

Also Sheikh, my in laws are really worried about the dangerous reputation south africa has. So since I'll be renting outside, doesn't the timetable at Azaadville cause me, and my wife who will inshaAllah be studying at the girls madrassa, to have to travel around at night times? and is Azaadville that dangerous anyway?

JazakAllah
Siraj

[nearlyfabled]

:salam:
I had a question about the uniform mentioned in one of the attachments. They say to bring izars. Does this mean a lungi or is shalwar included in the meaning of izars?

[Husain]

:salam:
I had a question about the uniform mentioned in one of the attachments. They say to bring izars. Does this mean a lungi or is shalwar included in the meaning of izars?

In Urdu, Izar means a pants or shalwar.

[ImamGhazzaali]

Is it compulsory to have Tajweed to enroll in the Madaaris? or will it be taught ?

I have another question, is the uniform strictly shalwar qameez or thobe's of different colouring is fine?

[siraj.m]

In Urdu, Izar means a pants or shalwar.

so white pants is ok underneath the pakistani style thobe?

5 cm below the knees but 30cm slits, doesn't that mean 25cm of it will be as high as the thigh? although one would be wearing an ithar or pants, ive never seen thobe's that high.

P.S anyone else going to Azaadville this year??

salaams

[MullaG1]

so white pants is ok underneath the pakistani style thobe?

5 cm below the knees but 30cm slits, doesn't that mean 25cm of it will be as high as the thigh? although one would be wearing an ithar or pants, ive never seen thobe's that high.

P.S anyone else going to Azaadville this year??

salaams

lol your worrying too much about the specifics as long as its a kurta with slits it doesn't matter how long it is just make sure it has slits

[MullaG1]

I have another question, is the uniform strictly shalwar qameez or thobe's of different colouring is fine?

they are getting really strict on the dressing no other color besides white is accepted and if you wear a different color they will take away your kurta and give it back at the end of the year
and long kurtas with no slits (jubas) will be confiscated if found

[ImamGhazzaali]

they are getting really strict on the dressing no other color besides white is accepted and if you wear a different color they will take away your kurta and give it back at the end of the year
and long kurtas with no slits (jubas) will be confiscated if found

What is the reason for such strictness ?

[siraj.m]

brother imamghazzaali are you heading to azaadville? anyone else heading to azaadville this year for the 'ilm course?? from australia??

[sudoku]

What is the reason for such strictness ?

:salam:

Probably to instill discipline.

[ImamGhazzaali]

:salam:

Probably to instill discipline.

:salam:

:jazak:

:ws:


brother imamghazzaali are you heading to azaadville? anyone else heading to azaadville this year for the 'ilm course?? from australia??

Not coming to azaadville. I am not comfortable with the fact that I have to wear white for 6-7 years everyday except on vacation. Are you planning to do Iftaa in S. Africa as well ?

[siraj.m]

:salam:

Not coming to azaadville. I am not comfortable with the fact that I have to wear white for 6-7 years everyday except on vacation. Are you planning to do Iftaa in S. Africa as well ?

Wow is that really the reason? I didn't even think of that. Why does it bother you so much though? It's just a colour... If it's not white it's gray or blue or beige... You won't notice it unless you look down haha :p

I don't know about iftaa yet, I just want to get my visa first! and in azaadville inshaAllah i'll suss out everything once i'm there. its too hard to find out things when you're far away.

What are your plans? If not Azaadville then where? And Iftaa? How old are you and where are you from if you don't mind me asking?

InshaAllah all our plans are accepted.

[Zahed]

Wow is that really the reason? I didn't even think of that. Why does it bother you so much though? It's just a colour... If it's not white it's gray or blue or beige... You won't notice it unless you look down haha :p

I don't know about iftaa yet, I just want to get my visa first! and in azaadville inshaAllah i'll suss out everything once i'm there. its too hard to find out things when you're far away.

What are your plans? If not Azaadville then where? And Iftaa? How old are you and where are you from if you don't mind me asking?

InshaAllah all our plans are accepted.

:salam:

Brother Siraj,

Would you please describe your visa processing system? And also what things the embassy requires for applying, what problems are you facing, money required etc?

Btw, are you native Australian?

[siraj.m]

:salam:

Brother Siraj,

Would you please describe your visa processing system? And also what things the embassy requires for applying, what problems are you facing, money required etc?

Btw, are you native Australian?

wa'alaykum salaam

Brother, do you mean the other thread? the school in lebanon? because here i'm talking about south africa... no my background is lebanese but i was born in australia.

[ImamGhazzaali]

Wow is that really the reason? I didn't even think of that. Why does it bother you so much though? It's just a colour... If it's not white it's gray or blue or beige... You won't notice it unless you look down haha :p

I don't know about iftaa yet, I just want to get my visa first! and in azaadville inshaAllah i'll suss out everything once i'm there. its too hard to find out things when you're far away.

What are your plans? If not Azaadville then where? And Iftaa? How old are you and where are you from if you don't mind me asking?

InshaAllah all our plans are accepted.

I want to wear other colours too, that I can wear. It's not that only white can bring disciple, but once again, it's their Darul 'Uloom so their rules. Plus I am not criticizing them, I am stating what I believe it without having the need of 100s of people attacking me for my preference.

Maybe you can finish iftaa and teach in australia and guide the muslims therein, :insh:

[Zahed]

wa'alaykum salaam

Brother, do you mean the other thread? the school in lebanon?

No. I'm also talking about South Africa.

[siraj.m]

No. I'm also talking about South Africa.

Oh right. Are you from Australia? Well first thing I had to do was email the darul uloom azaadville and tell them i was interested in studying there. they sent me the rules and regulations and told me to reply once i have accepted the rules. i did and emailed them. they then sent me an application form to fill out (questions like name, passport number, nationality, past education, how much quran you've memorised and other stuff). I filled it out and emailed it to them. then they decide whether or not they accept you. if they do they send you a letter of acceptance. All of this takes about 2-3 weeks.

While doing that, i found out the visa requirements by emailing/calling the south african embassy in my country. they had a website as well which told me everything. you just make sure you get everything on that list: which for ME included the letter of acceptance, passport, proof of financial means, a medical and radiological report and other stuff. mailed it off and now i'm waiting.
the only hard thing for me was getting the blood test. i don't like needles.

i hope this is what you were asking about
salaams

[Zahed]

Oh right. Are you from Australia? Well first thing I had to do was email the darul uloom azaadville and tell them i was interested in studying there. they sent me the rules and regulations and told me to reply once i have accepted the rules. i did and emailed them. they then sent me an application form to fill out (questions like name, passport number, nationality, past education, how much quran you've memorised and other stuff). I filled it out and emailed it to them. then they decide whether or not they accept you. if they do they send you a letter of acceptance. All of this takes about 2-3 weeks.

No, brother. I'm from Bangladesh. Would you please give me Darul Uloom's mail address? I sent them mails many times ago, but no reply came.


While doing that, i found out the visa requirements by emailing/calling the south african embassy in my country. they had a website as well which told me everything. you just make sure you get everything on that list: which for ME included the letter of acceptance, passport, proof of financial means, a medical and radiological report and other stuff. mailed it off and now i'm waiting.
the only hard thing for me was getting the blood test. i don't like needles.

i hope this is what you were asking about
salaams

Sorry for bothering you. Would you please explain those bold points? I mean "letter of acceptance" means documents from Madrasah, right? Now, how much money is to be shown to satisfy embassy personnel? And what are the medical reports to be shown?

:jazak:

[MullaG1]

What is the reason for such strictness ?

when a school adopts a uniform they are strict that the uniform be adhered to
this is the same case this is the uniform of the madressa which is why they must be strict in implementing it
when a secular school adopts a uniform not so many questions are asked but when a madressa decides to do it now people ask why

[siraj.m]

No, brother. I'm from Bangladesh. Would you please give me Darul Uloom's mail address? I sent them mails many times ago, but no reply came.

Sorry for bothering you. Would you please explain those bold points? I mean "letter of acceptance" means documents from Madrasah, right? Now, how much money is to be shown to satisfy embassy personnel? And what are the medical reports to be shown?

:jazak:

This is their current email: darululum@webmail.co.za

Yes, the letter of acceptance is what the darul uloom give you so that you can prove to the embassy that you have been accepted. The school write a lot of things on it that will help you get the visa. You need to contact the south african embassy in bangladesh because it might be different to the one here, especially when it comes to how much money you need.
I don't know how much money you need to show them but the letter that the darul uloom give you is very good. They say that they cover costs so you might not have to show them much money.
Have a look at this link, it is very helpful:
http://www.southafrica.info/travel/documents/studypermits.htm

Also, call the school and ask them about what other Bangladesh students did when they applied. They'd know more than me. The number can be found on this thread somewhere. I don't have it. Or ask them by email.

Good luck brother and if you need anything don't hesitate to ask. Salaams.

[ImamGhazzaali]

getting the blood test. i don't like needles.


Does one have to get blood tests or does last years blood test count ?


when a school adopts a uniform they are strict that the uniform be adhered to
this is the same case this is the uniform of the madressa which is why they must be strict in implementing it
when a secular school adopts a uniform not so many questions are asked but when a madressa decides to do it now people ask why

I've made it clear that I do not intend to criticize the darul uloom because it's their place so their rules.
I wasn't going to say this but since you opened the argument here it is:

There is nothing wrong with wearing non-white and seeking 'ilm; nor anything wrong with wearing a thobe with no slits or whatever that is. And it is my personal view that i dislike wearing white each day. I believe I am entitled to have this opinion and that it's not a world where I must accept others view and give up mine, so thank you for understanding and being open-minded.

And you are wrong in saying that not many questions are asked about a secular school's uniform.

:ws:

[siraj.m]

Does one have to get blood tests or does last years blood test count ?

:ws:

I don't know about that. Call up the south african consulate or embassy in your country.

I think you're both right and both wrong about the uniform situation. The fact of the matter is, at Azaadville, a top school with mashaAllah great teachers etc. is asking that you wear this uniform. Now, one can overlook the uniform and focus on the benefit he will get from attending that school or he can focus on the uniform and not go there and choose to go somewhere else that is equally as good. Up to the person. BUT you mentioned before that it isn't part of dicipline, well for someone to wear it everyday for 6 or 7 years and hate wearing it, this IS in fact dicipline. And there are other good reasons why it's a good idea to be strict about uniform. Anyway it is up to you brother. But please don't bring it up anymore as this thread has already been abused to the point that there is more talk about other stuff and other schools and why urdu etc. that there is hardly any information about Darul Uloom Azadville compared to the other Darul Uloom threads alhumdulilah.

Salaams!

[Salman253]

I couldn't agree with brother siraj.m more. One should focus on the positives rather than negatives, don't forget that Azaadville is an amazing Darul Uloom and one could benefit enormously from studying there. If it weren't for the fact that the Shafi'i madthab isn't taught I would gladly learn Urdu or any other language to be able to go study there. On the other hand one is also entitled to his own preference and shouldn't be scolded for wanting to go some place else.

[siraj.m]

Does anyone know if this school has any sport facilities? a gym, soccer/football court? Do they make time for sports?
Thanks

[ImamGhazzaali]

I don't know about that. Call up the south african consulate or embassy in your country.
thank you.


I think you're both right and both wrong about the uniform situation. The fact of the matter is, at Azaadville, a top school with mashaAllah great teachers etc. is asking that you wear this uniform. Now, one can overlook the uniform and focus on the benefit he will get from attending that school or he can focus on the uniform and not go there and choose to go somewhere else that is equally as good. Up to the person. BUT you mentioned before that it isn't part of dicipline, well for someone to wear it everyday for 6 or 7 years and hate wearing it, this IS in fact dicipline. And there are other good reasons why it's a good idea to be strict about uniform. Anyway it is up to you brother. But please don't bring it up anymore as this thread has already been abused to the point that there is more talk about other stuff and other schools and why urdu etc. that there is hardly any information about Darul Uloom Azadville compared to the other Darul Uloom threads alhumdulilah.

Salaams!

People need to realize that it is my preference and I am not pointing fingers at the darul ulum. Let us learn to tolerate.

:ws:

[Zahed]

:salam:

Brothers,

Please stop controversy. Rather let's focus on our objectives.

Brother Siraj, please inform me after getting visa.

[Mathbooh]

:salam:

I couldn't agree with brother siraj.m more. One should focus on the positives rather than negatives, don't forget that Azaadville is an amazing Darul Uloom and one could benefit enormously from studying there. If it weren't for the fact that the Shafi'i madthab isn't taught I would gladly learn Urdu or any other language to be able to go study there. On the other hand one is also entitled to his own preference and shouldn't be scolded for wanting to go some place else.

Bro,the Shafi' mathab is taught as well.It is taught by Mufti Mas3ood Qaasim,one of the more respected students of Sheikh Muhammad 3Awwamah.There might be other asaatithah specialising in the shafii3ee mathab as well.
As for urdu,many of the asatithah in the darul ulooms happen to be some of the best produced by india/pakistan.hence,their medium of teaching is urdu.secondly,many of the scholarly works are still only in urdu.It's as simple as that.
As for white slit kurtas with white trousers,this is enforced by darul uloom zakariyyah as well.it serves many purposes.The white uniform amongst other reasons is to ensure that the student takes care of himself in terms of cleanliness e.t.c at all times as dirt e.t.c. easily shows up on white.The reasons for slit kurta are many.The slit kurta minimises the possibility of students hiding things.Also it forces students to wear trousers.In thye case of azaadville,the principal avers salafis and their ways and this is another reason.There are many other reasons for both.
ylulats avatar is one section of darul uloom azaadville.
Bro Siraj as far as I know they do not allow sports on the premises.On sunday afternoons and on fridays you are free to go where you want.If I'm not mistaken,there are other activities.However,do not let this discourage you.To this end I won't elaborate suffice to say that the Shaykhul Hadith,Mufti Fadhlur Rahman Azmi is probably amongst the foremost,if not the foremost muhaddith of the day.

was salaam

[siraj.m]

:salam:

Bro Siraj as far as I know they do not allow sports on the premises.On sunday afternoons and on fridays you are free to go where you want.If I'm not mistaken,there are other activities.However,do not let this discourage you.

was salaam

salaams. Brother are you studying there currently? When you say that on Fridays and Sundays we're allowed to go wherever we want, do you mean outside of the school? Or within school grounds? And no sports?! Surely we're allowed to do some type of sport? Otherwise we're just eating, sitting and sleeping.

Also, do you know when classes begin this year? And am I able to come a few days earlier and stay at the school so I can settle in?

[Mathbooh]

:salam:

salaams. Brother are you studying there currently? When you say that on Fridays and Sundays we're allowed to go wherever we want, do you mean outside of the school? Or within school grounds? And no sports?! Surely we're allowed to do some type of sport? Otherwise we're just eating, sitting and sleeping.

Also, do you know when classes begin this year? And am I able to come a few days earlier and stay at the school so I can settle in?

I do not study there bro.As far as I know and I've witnessed it personally,the guys play soccer/cricket on the premises after asr and on sundays and fridays-however,i might be mistaken but it is against the rules to play certain sports which the madrasah classifies as kuffar sports.
As far as I know,you are allowed to leave the premises of the madrasah daily after asr till maghrib,as well as thursday after asr to friday maghrib and sunday from after thuhr to maghrib.Classes begin two weeks after ramadhan if I'm not mistaken.

was salam

[MullaG1]

:salam:


I do not study there bro.As far as I know and I've witnessed it personally,the guys play soccer/cricket on the premises after asr and on sundays and fridays-however,i might be mistaken but it is against the rules to play certain sports which the madrasah classifies as kuffar sports.
As far as I know,you are allowed to leave the premises of the madrasah daily after asr till maghrib,as well as thursday after asr to friday maghrib and sunday from after thuhr to maghrib.Classes begin two weeks after ramadhan if I'm not mistaken.

was salam
classes will begin on sept 11 and students are allowed to play any sport we north americans go and play basketball on the off days and off days are from thursday asr till friday maghrib and sunday from 1110am to maghrib if one wishes to go to the shops in azaadville then he will be allowed to go but if one wishes to leave azaadville he will need a consent letter from the office but if one goes out of azaadville without permission but makes it back before salaat then no one will say anything but if one misses salaat and there is attendance after then he will be in trouble

[MullaG1]

Does one have to get blood tests or does last years blood test count ?



I've made it clear that I do not intend to criticize the darul uloom because it's their place so their rules.
I wasn't going to say this but since you opened the argument here it is:

There is nothing wrong with wearing non-white and seeking 'ilm; nor anything wrong with wearing a thobe with no slits or whatever that is. And it is my personal view that i dislike wearing white each day. I believe I am entitled to have this opinion and that it's not a world where I must accept others view and give up mine, so thank you for understanding and being open-minded.

And you are wrong in saying that not many questions are asked about a secular school's uniform.

:ws:

i agree with you on the point of different colors and thobes i also like to wear different colors
and i never said there was anything wrong with wearing a different colors all i stated was that this is the uniform of the madressa and when i stated that people dont ask questions of secular schools i did not even read your post please forgive me if you thought that i was attacking you

[siraj.m]

classes will begin on sept 11 and students are allowed to play any sport we north americans go and play basketball on the off days and off days are from thursday asr till friday maghrib and sunday from 1110am to maghrib if one wishes to go to the shops in azaadville then he will be allowed to go but if one wishes to leave azaadville he will need a consent letter from the office but if one goes out of azaadville without permission but makes it back before salaat then no one will say anything but if one misses salaat and there is attendance after then he will be in trouble

salaams. brother ylulat so you study there? I want to come about 3-4 days before the start date so that I can settle in. On the 6th or 7th. They'd let me right?

And you're north american? your background as well or are you originally from another country? Are there many students from western countries there? Also, how are you using the internet?

JazakAllah for your time
Was-salaam

[MullaG1]

salaams. brother ylulat so you study there? I want to come about 3-4 days before the start date so that I can settle in. On the 6th or 7th. They'd let me right?

And you're north american? your background as well or are you originally from another country? Are there many students from western countries there? Also, how are you using the internet?

JazakAllah for your time
Was-salaam

wsalaam

yes they will let you in if you go early and yes i am north american born and raised in canada background guji and there are about 30+ north american students studying about 10+ from canada and 20+ from america. im home for the holidays so i have internet in the madressa itself you will not get internet unless you keep a cellphone which is not allowed (but alot of students keep a cellphone on the downlow) but there is a internet cafe nearby that you can go to on the days off. which country are you from?

[MullaG1]

brother siraj.m i read in one of your previous posts about a laptop if you will be staying in the boarding it is strongly advisable that you do not bring it with you. i have a ipod touch and last year they allowed them but a laptop is out of the question they will confiscate it and only give it back to you at the end of the year. the reason for the strictness against laptops and cell phones is that alot of students misused these things and caused it for the rest of us. and you have studied in syria? could i ask you what you have studied you have a great advantage if you have studied a bit of arabic elsewhere before you come to azaadville i myself studied arabic part time for a year before i went and it helped me alot

[siraj.m]

brother siraj.m i read in one of your previous posts about a laptop if you will be staying in the boarding it is strongly advisable that you do not bring it with you. i have a ipod touch and last year they allowed them but a laptop is out of the question they will confiscate it and only give it back to you at the end of the year. the reason for the strictness against laptops and cell phones is that alot of students misused these things and caused it for the rest of us. and you have studied in syria? could i ask you what you have studied you have a great advantage if you have studied a bit of arabic elsewhere before you come to azaadville i myself studied arabic part time for a year before i went and it helped me alot

salaams

I'm from Australia but my background is Lebanese. I was in Syria for 2 weeks only so I didn't get to do much. I went to Lebanon afterwards and only got through the very basics of Tajweed and reading etc. But the fact that I'm Lebanese might make it a lot easier for me to pick up the Arabic inshaAllah.
I definitely won't bring the laptop. I just want to use the internet once every few months or so to speak to my family.
I just searched what Guji is, Oromo right? May I ask you a few questions? How old are you? What year are you in in your studies? Did you start from the pre year? Do they have a gym there at all? And also, are there any Aussies there or Arabs??

Thanks
Was-salaam

[ImamGhazzaali]

wsalaam

yes they will let you in if you go early and yes i am north american born and raised in canada background guji and there are about 30+ north american students studying about 10+ from canada and 20+ from america. im home for the holidays so i have internet in the madressa itself you will not get internet unless you keep a cellphone which is not allowed (but alot of students keep a cellphone on the downlow) but there is a internet cafe nearby that you can go to on the days off. which country are you from?

:salam:

Any Canadians from BC?

@siraj.m =
guji = gujarati.

[MullaG1]

salaams

I'm from Australia but my background is Lebanese. I was in Syria for 2 weeks only so I didn't get to do much. I went to Lebanon afterwards and only got through the very basics of Tajweed and reading etc. But the fact that I'm Lebanese might make it a lot easier for me to pick up the Arabic inshaAllah.
I definitely won't bring the laptop. I just want to use the internet once every few months or so to speak to my family.
I just searched what Guji is, Oromo right? May I ask you a few questions? How old are you? What year are you in in your studies? Did you start from the pre year? Do they have a gym there at all? And also, are there any Aussies there or Arabs??

Thanks
Was-salaam


inshallah the arabic will be easy. im 22 years old and im going into my fourth year inshallah
i skipped the pre year because i allready knew some urdu and there is a gym outside the madressa where you can get a membership but i think they got some machines in the madressa that they want to set up. alot of students just buy weights and keep it in the rooms. me and a few guys from my room bought a bench and weights. there are a few arabs from jordan but i dont think there are any aussies.

[MullaG1]

:salam:

Any Canadians from BC?

@siraj.m =
guji = gujarati.

wsalaam
we dont have any canadians from BC
most of the canadians from toronto and a few from saskatoon side

[Hafiz Yunus]

Salaams.

I wish to join the Darul Uloom in September. Does anyone know if the Darul Uloom has a website and when does the new term start.

Jazakallah

[MullaG1]

Salaams.

I wish to join the Darul Uloom in September. Does anyone know if the Darul Uloom has a website and when does the new term start.

Jazakallah

wsaalm
the new term will begin sept 11 inshallah. and we do not have a website but there is an email contact if you want

[ImamGhazzaali]

wsaalm
the new term will begin sept 11 inshallah. and we do not have a website but there is an email contact if you want

which books did you study in 3rd year? which books you looking forward to 4th yr. ?

[MullaG1]

which books did you study in 3rd year? which books you looking forward to 4th yr. ?

in the third year we did: شرح الوقاية
هداية النحو
اصول الشاشي
مرقات
selected portions of حياة الصحابة
finished رياض الصالحين
last 10 juz for quran tarjuma
بلاغة الواضحة
these are the main kitaabs we did this year
there a few smaller kitaabs which i didnt mention

and the main kitaab im looking forward to in fourth year is hidaya the first 2 parts, nur ul anwar and the first 10 juz for quran tarjuma

[ImamGhazzaali]

masha'allah..do spread the 'ilm you receive unto us.

[siraj.m]

Salaams.

I wish to join the Darul Uloom in September. Does anyone know if the Darul Uloom has a website and when does the new term start.

Jazakallah

Wa'alaykum Salaam brother Yunus. Like ylulat said, there is no website and the course starts september 11, which is less than a month away. If you want to start this year then you need to email the Darul Uloom right away and tell them that you are interested in applying, how can I go about that.
They will send you rules and regulations which you will have to read and reply saying you agree. They will then get you to fill out an application form which you fill out and send back. and THEN after a week or so, depends on how busy they are, they will reply with acceptance letter, inshaAllah, which you then send to get a visa. The visa part itself takes about 2 weeks because you need all sorts of stuff and then have to send it to them for about 10 days. So if I were you I'd start right away. Even start getting the things you need for the visa (blood and radiological test might take a day or two itself) while you're waiting for emails. And read the rules and regulations at the start of this thread so that you can email them saying I've read the rules and regulations, where do I go from here? That way you don't waste a few days. See you there inshaAllah :D

Their email is: darululum@webmail.co.za

[ImamGhazzaali]

when you leaving siraj


Wa'alaykum Salaam brother Yunus. Like ylulat said, there is no website and the course starts september 11, which is less than a month away. If you want to start this year then you need to email the Darul Uloom right away and tell them that you are interested in applying, how can I go about that.
They will send you rules and regulations which you will have to read and reply saying you agree. They will then get you to fill out an application form which you fill out and send back. and THEN after a week or so, depends on how busy they are, they will reply with acceptance letter, inshaAllah, which you then send to get a visa. The visa part itself takes about 2 weeks because you need all sorts of stuff and then have to send it to them for about 10 days. So if I were you I'd start right away. Even start getting the things you need for the visa (blood and radiological test might take a day or two itself) while you're waiting for emails. And read the rules and regulations at the start of this thread so that you can email them saying I've read the rules and regulations, where do I go from here? That way you don't waste a few days. See you there inshaAllah :D

Their email is: darululum@webmail.co.za

[siraj.m]

when you leaving siraj

Wallah akhi I haven't booked the tickets yet because I'm waiting on the visa (inshaAllah). But if Allah accepts, around the 6th or 7th of September. You coming or what??? :D :D

[maneatinglizard]

Wallah akhi I haven't booked the tickets yet because I'm waiting on the visa (inshaAllah). But if Allah accepts, around the 6th or 7th of September. You coming or what??? :D :D

:salam:

:mash: May Allah :taala: grant you Istiqaama, and bless you with knowledge that you may use to benefit yourself and others. Ameen

[ImamGhazzaali]

Wallah akhi I haven't booked the tickets yet because I'm waiting on the visa (inshaAllah). But if Allah accepts, around the 6th or 7th of September. You coming or what??? :D :D

maybe next year to some other madrassah however..if only i can find one.

plus as mufti 'abdullah nana mentioned...i'd like to visit it first and bond with the asaatidh...

you going to come back in 7 yrs on SF as a scholar!

[siraj.m]

maybe next year to some other madrassah however..if only i can find one.

plus as mufti 'abdullah nana mentioned...i'd like to visit it first and bond with the asaatidh...

you going to come back in 7 yrs on SF as a scholar!

InshaAllah you find what suits you. There are other schools in South Africa though? Zakariyya and I think camperdown isn't as strict with the colour you wear. Sheikh Abu H was saying so in their thread.

And I can only hope I reach that status bro, as I know from experience it is very hard to stick to something this challenging. All the best.

JazakAllah maneatinglizard. May Allah accept. ameen

[sudoku]

maybe next year to some other madrassah however..if only i can find one.


:salam:

What are you looking for in a Madressah?

In SA, every madressa I know have a distinguishing personality and/or a factor that makes it unique.

Example:

Madrassah Azadville: It's one of the older madressahs and has three very big scholars : Ml Abdul Hamid saheb, Ml Fazlur Rahman saheb and Mufti Amjad saheb.

Madrassah Zakariyyah: Very good in Urdu. Academic standards are very good but very strict.

Madrassah Talimudden: Very sufi-ish. Strict like Azadville in clothes. It's not too famous though.

Madrassah Inn'aamiyyah: Teaches in English. Not too strict on clothes. Lots of foreigners : locals. Moulana Muhammad Abassoomar teaches there, very good in hadeeth.

Madrassah Newcastle: Very good in Arabic.

Madrassah Arabiyyah Islamiya: Ml Taha Karan's Shafi'ee Madrassah. Unique syllabus.

Madrassah Nu'maniyyah: This year they have Mufti Ebrahim Desai saheb. The syllabus is in English.

Madrassah Miftaahul Khair: Very accommodating for foreign students. Very down to earth staff. Mufti Ismail Moosa/Mufti Ishaaq Moosa teach there. (students of Mufti Ebrahim Desai [you can read their fataawa on askimam.org)

etc... Loads to pick from, and this is just South Africa. In fact, whichever madrassah you pick, as long as you are dedicated, you will prosper from it.

[ImamGhazzaali]

InshaAllah you find what suits you. There are other schools in South Africa though? Zakariyya and I think camperdown isn't as strict with the colour you wear. Sheikh Abu H was saying so in their thread.

And I can only hope I reach that status bro, as I know from experience it is very hard to stick to something this challenging. All the best.

JazakAllah maneatinglizard. May Allah accept. ameen

to be honest, yes i want to do 'aalimiyyah/iftaa in s. africa but at the same time i want to spend time with so many other shuyukh..some of you may already know who they are..and also marry but these aren't possible. i fear for my depature from this cursed dunya to the 'adhaab of the qabr..i have seen deaths in this year as i haven't seen in anytime before.

you from sydney?

iftar now

[siraj.m]

to be honest, yes i want to do 'aalimiyyah/iftaa in s. africa but at the same time i want to spend time with so many other shuyukh..some of you may already know who they are..and also marry but these aren't possible. i fear for my depature from this cursed dunya to the 'adhaab of the qabr..i have seen deaths in this year as i haven't seen in anytime before.

you from sydney?

iftar now

Nah brother I'm from Melbourne, although my father lives in Sydney and I go back and forth. How old are you may I ask? And what country do you live in? It seems to me there are so many things you want to do and so many scholars you want to learn from. I think this is only achievable if you do one by one. Unless all these scholars are in the same school? Iftar is another 3 hours away inshaAllah