help with nouns , verbs and particles

[hugga12]

salam - i have my arabic lesson- and i was just wondering whether some one could provide a textbook defintion for nouns verbs and particle.






wa salam

[al_Zayn]

:ws:

Br Hugga, you said there is a book online, called Arabic fundamentals, [i think] have you got it? if you have can you post it here. :jazak:

As for the Nouns [Ism], Verbs [Fi`il] and Particles [Harf], the definition if written in the handout from Maulana Sahib, i think that handout is from a book compiled by In'amiyyah Madrasah, SA.

If any SA Brothers [or anyone else] here have it, can you please post it.

:jazak:

Anyway, hows your revision going?

:ws:

[hugga12]

salam

i cant seem to find that fundamentals book yet- but ive got the sets of book that maulana zahir taught his first lesson from http://www.al-inaam.com/books_index.htm

[hugga12]

here is the fundamentals books all volumes with audio http://www.sacredlearning.org/classrooms/arabic/index.htm

[hugga12]

im struggling a bit with the writing side- in terms of writing the arabic- but i heard Mufti Imran say to some one that you'll pick up in good time

[al_Zayn]

im struggling a bit with the writing side- in terms of writing the arabic- but i heard Mufti Imran say to some one that you'll pick up in good time

:jazak: for them books.

Dont worry Insha-Allah you'll pick up, my writings a bit whack but il keep practicing.

Mufti Imran is a laugh, Masha-Allah his teaching method is great and Mufti Shahzad, its easy to ask them questions.

Shaykh Zahir is the one who gets down to business, big boss type. im scared to ask him questions. lol.

Cant wait for Mufti Sajjaad in a few months.

[hugga12]

same here- im scared to ask him questions- maulana shazad lesson is excellent- i aswell cannot wait for Mufti sajad lesson-
u know when Mufti Imran talks about the stick etc- cracks me up because its true- with the stick we would be better learners

[al_Zayn]

I think were a bit too old for whips. lol

Have you learnt the other 'Gardans' yet, [Nasara, Kharaja, Dakhala, Qa`ada, Thalaba] etc? along with whether it is Wahid/Thasniyah/Jam` and Mudhakkar/Mu'annath and Gha'ib/Hadhir/Mutakallim?

This needs to be done for Tuesdays lesson.

:ws:

[hugga12]

ive done the gurdan part- do you mind if you could go over the wahid/thasniyah/jam and mudhakkar/ mu 'annath and Ghai'b/ Hadir / Mutakallim- do you mind if you could explan it to me plz? jazakullah

[hugga12]

please brother zaynuljmb2 if you could explain to me the terms and its application

[al_Zayn]

ive done the gurdan part- do you mind if you could go over the wahid/thasniyah/jam and mudhakkar/ mu 'annath and Ghai'b/ Hadir / Mutakallim- do you mind if you could explan it to me plz? jazakullah

Firstly, all of the Gardans we're learning are past tense [Fi`li Madhy]:

fa`ala = That one man did = Wahid / Mudhakkar / Gha'ib.

Because you are referring to one it will be Wahid, and because it is a Masculine word, it is Mudhakkar [Masculine], and because the person/object is not present in your discussion it is Gha'ib [not present]

And so on and so forth.

Another example will be:

Fa`alna [not Fa`alnaa] = This means, Those Women did [3 or more] = Jam`u / Mu'annath / Gha'ib.

Jam'u = Plural [3 or more]. Mu'annath = Feminine and Gha'ib = Not present.


The words below have been listed:

Wahid = One
Thasniyah = Two
Jam`u = 3 or more

Mudhakkar = Masculine
Mu'annath = Feminine

Gha'ib = Not present
Hadhir = Present
Mutakallim = Speaker

So you will divide the words to each of the categories they belong to of the above...Hence when you will pick a word from the other Gardans [i.e. Nasara], then look for it on the root word of the [I]Fa`ala, example; Nasaruu, in the Fa`ala Gardan it will be Fa`aluu which means Those Men did [3 or More], hence it is: Jam`u [Plural - 3 or more], Mudhakkar [Masculine], Gha'ib [Not present in the discussion]. Nasaruu will be same because it falls in the same pattern it will be Jam`u, Mudhakkar, Gha'ib.

The meaning of Nasaruu comes from the root word an-Nasr' which means to help, hence the meaning will be - Those men [3 or More] helped, it is written in my Urdu Book; Madad Karna [To help]

Get the Urdu book, `Arabiyy Safwathul Masadir, really good book, it is in Urdu, it helps you understand Majority of the Arabic words.

Anyway hopefully the Above has been helpful.

If there is any mistakes spotted by anyone, please do not hesitate to correct me. im just a beginner.

p.s sorry for not using the Arabic, it would have taken up alot of time just typing it out on my comp.

:ws:

[muslim forever]

Salaam,

Ah mashallah im happy u guys are learning Arabic. You guys learning in as-suffa? Which kitab(s) u two using?

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

:ws: Sis.

We're learning Basic Sarf, Nahw and normal Arabic speaking and listening; the books are Ilm-us Sarf [Awwaleen and Aakhireen], `Arabiyy Safwath-ul Masadir, both With Mufti Imran.

as for Nahw, Shaykh Zahir doesn't want us to buy any books for that as he has his own method of teaching with his handouts etc.

`Arabiyy Bayna Yadayk with Mufti Shahzad.

Alhamdulillah, its going good [Hard too] for both of us, please make du`a that me and Br Hugga still have the Zeal to learn sacred `Ilm all through this course and onwards.

Yeah it is at as-Suffa.

how is your Qaaf going?

:ws:

[muslim forever]

:ws: Sis.

We're learning Basic Sarf, Nahw and normal Arabic speaking and listening; the books are Ilm-us Sarf [Awwaleen and Aakhireen], `Arabiyy Safwath-ul Masadir, both With Mufti Imran.

as for Nahw, Shaykh Zahir doesn't want us to buy any books for that as he has his own method of teaching with his handouts etc.

`Arabiyy Bayna Yadayk with Mufti Shahzad.

Alhamdulillah, its going good [Hard too] for both of us, please make du`a that me and Br Hugga still have the Zeal to learn sacred `Ilm all through this course and onwards.

Yeah it is at as-Suffa.

how is your Qaaf going?

:ws:

Ah interesting.....

Arabic is a hard language to learn. Alot of time and effort is required. Inshallah you two will do well. I will remember u both in my duas.

Btw, are u both learning Arabic as part of that part-time alim course?

My Arabic is going ok....actaully not so good. I have so many verb forms to learn and recently i have had a lot on my mind, so because of this im kinda finding it difficult. Inshallah the classes will begin after Ramadhan, so i have time to learn the verb forms.

I think one of the most effective ways in which one can learn Arabic quickly and easily is if they went to study abroad e.g. Eygpt. My bro went to Eypgt for 2 months and when he came back he could read newspapers in Arabic! And prior to going he didn't know much Arabic at all. He is so fortunate....mashallah.

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

Arabic is part of the `Alim course.

Your way ahead of us, you're probable speaking it well now.

Insha-Allah the Mufti Imran Sahib said after 3 months we'll be going over Qasasun Nabiyyeen by Shaykh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi [Ra] in Arabic, so it seems he is expecting alot from us, not sure if we can learn a substantial amount of Arabic by then, hopefully Insha-Allah. Our teacher will be for that book Mufti Sajjaad : ) i love him, he is too great, just cant wait. He has such striking similarities with Shaykh Tariq Jamal [DB], nurani chehra, Masha-Allah.

Just 2 months? : - s maybe i should pack my bags and go too.

How much Arabic did your bro know before he went, minimum or decent amount?

:ws:

[Ibn_Harith]

Masha Allah. Great to see brothers and sisters studying the language of ahl al-jannah with such zeal.
Reminds me of when i first started learning Arabic...
Its difficult at first but, with time, it gets easier insha Allah.
May Allah keep u steadfast and make things easy.

[muslim forever]

Arabic is part of the `Alim course.

Your way ahead of us, you're probable speaking it well now.

Insha-Allah the Mufti Imran Sahib said after 3 months we'll be going over Qasasun Nabiyyeen by Shaykh Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi [Ra] in Arabic, so it seems he is expecting alot from us, not sure if we can learn a substantial amount of Arabic by then, hopefully Insha-Allah. Our teacher will be for that book Mufti Sajjaad : ) i love him, he is too great, just cant wait. He has such striking similarities with Shaykh Tariq Jamal [DB], nurani chehra, Masha-Allah.

Just 2 months? : - s maybe i should pack my bags and go too.

How much Arabic did your bro know before he went, minimum or decent amount?

:ws:

w/salaam,
w/salaam,


My speaking is not very good. It takes me a while to put sentences together verbally. When i read, i can understand some of what i read, including the Quran...

and wow mashallah u guys seem like ur gonna get really far with ur Arabic......May Allah swt bless you both with the tawfeeq to learn, speak, read, understand and write Arabic quickly. Ameen.

The first time when my brother went, he didn't know much Arabic at all....After his stay in Egypt for 2months, he mashallah knew a fair amount.....He then studied Arabic under Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad in Cambridge uni. After this he went again for another 2 months (i think) to Egypt . When he came back the 2nd time from Egypt he could read newspapers. sorry for not being so clear before.

If u ever get the opportunity to study abroad def take it...i wanna go, but i don't see that happening any time soon unfortunately. i think i would pick up Arabic very easily and quickly if i was to go though...

Duas please
Wasalaam

[muslim forever]

Masha Allah. Great to see brothers and sisters studying the language of ahl al-jannah with such zeal.
Reminds me of when i first started learning Arabic...
Its difficult at first but, with time, it gets easier insha Allah.
May Allah keep u steadfast and make things easy.

Salaam,

Are there any tips/ strategies you could recommend as to how an individual can learn all the different verb forms and vocab?

See im finding it very dificult as i have a bad memory. Any suggestions/ advice will be appreciated.

JazakAllah
Wasalaam

[Ibn_Harith]

To be honest, the best advice i can give u is to keep at it and take things step-by-step, dont worry if u cant figure everything out.
One thing ill reccomend though, is that whatever u learn, try and apply it in any sort of arabic texts like qasas an-nabiyyeen. So if your learning nahw, for example, then try and work out why this letter has this i'rab etc. This helps in remembering the qawa'id.

@ Zainul, alhamdulillah i can understand arabic.

[muslim forever]

To be honest, the best advice i can give u is to keep at it and take things step-by-step, dont worry if u cant figure everything out.
One thing ill reccomend though, is that whatever u learn, try and apply it in any sort of arabic texts like qasas an-nabiyyeen. So if your learning nahw, for example, then try and work out why this letter has this i'rab etc. This helps in remembering the qawa'id.

@ Zainul, alhamdulillah i can understand arabic.

Salaam,

JazakAllah khair brother. Will try to take ur advice and implement it.

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

To be honest, the best advice i can give u is to keep at it and take things step-by-step, dont worry if u cant figure everything out.
One thing ill reccomend though, is that whatever u learn, try and apply it in any sort of arabic texts like qasas an-nabiyyeen. So if your learning nahw, for example, then try and work out why this letter has this i'rab etc. This helps in remembering the qawa'id.

@ Zainul, alhamdulillah i can understand arabic.

:jazak: Akhi.

Make du`a Insha-Allah.

:ws:

[Quraatulain]

Salams MashaAllah keep it ,i have fallen behind in my arabic .We have to stay focused and InshaAllah it will be easy.
May Allah swt make it easy for all of us to learn this beautiful language.
Sis my duas are with you InshaAllah Allah swt makes it easy for you.

[muslim forever]

Salams MashaAllah keep it ,i have fallen behind in my arabic .We have to stay focused and InshaAllah it will be easy.
May Allah swt make it easy for all of us to learn this beautiful language.
Sis my duas are with you InshaAllah Allah swt makes it easy for you.

Salaam,

Thanks sis!! Thanks for everything, ur advice and all....You'll also be in my duas. *hug*

Anyways, i think we should keep this thread focused on Arabic rather then Bham. Sorry for asking so many off topic questions.

Sis what is your level of Arabic? Which books are u using? Sorry i forgot.

Wasalaam

[hugga12]

salam- thnx to all for the help- thanx to brother zaynul in particular- i found the book ilm nahw quite good in terms of definitions

[al_Zayn]

salam- thnx to all for the help- thanx to brother zaynul in particular- i found the book ilm nahw quite good in terms of definitions

Bro Hugga, why not post everything we learn on this thread? it will be great. It can serve as a reminder to us and cam be easily accessed.

:ws:

[hugga12]

inshallah- i think we should do that -

[muslim forever]

Get the Urdu book, `Arabiyy Safwathul Masadir, really good book, it is in Urdu, it helps you understand Majority of the Arabic words.
:ws:


Salaam,

You both know Urdu? wow mashallah!

Where can u get this book from anyway? Amsons maybe?

Wasalaam

[muslim forever]

:ws: Sis.

We're learning Basic Sarf, Nahw and normal Arabic speaking and listening; the books are Ilm-us Sarf [Awwaleen and Aakhireen], `Arabiyy Safwath-ul Masadir, both With Mufti Imran.

as for Nahw, Shaykh Zahir doesn't want us to buy any books for that as he has his own method of teaching with his handouts etc.

`Arabiyy Bayna Yadayk with Mufti Shahzad.

Alhamdulillah, its going good [Hard too] for both of us, please make du`a that me and Br Hugga still have the Zeal to learn sacred `Ilm all through this course and onwards.

Yeah it is at as-Suffa.

how is your Qaaf going?

:ws:

Salaam,

Did ur teachers give u these books i.e. did u buy them from as-suffa or did u buy them from one of the bookshops in Bham?

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

Salaam,

You both know Urdu? wow mashallah!

Where can u get this book from anyway? Amsons maybe?

Wasalaam

:ws:

I had to force myself to learn Urdu [Reading and writing] a year back 'unfortunately' - (joke), im not that bad now, getting better, Alhmadulillah..

My speaking and understanding of Urdu is Masha-Allah good which i knew from before.

The book i mentioned i think you can get from Amsons, but i got mine from al Mu'min..

Our teachers gave us the book names and where its available from and we get them.

:ws:

[hayatali]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Yes, I think it will be a good idea to use this thread for revision. As for books, we should stick to what the Ustadhs recommend. There are so many different books on Arabic, each having different descriptions for Ism, Fi'l and Harf etc. So we should stick what the teacher's way.

Al-Hamdulillah I lovin it so Far. Mufti Imran is brilliant, cracks me up all the time. Shaykh Shazad is excellent. Shaykh Zahir, Umm I am abit scared of him, Maybe because of my respect for him. He is a Great scholar and when he speaks, he's very uplifting.

Allah has indeed blessed us with their company. May Allah make easy for us our task.

Your As-Suffa Brother,

Hayat.

Wa Salam

[al_Zayn]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Yes, I think it will be a good idea to use this thread for revision. As for books, we should stick to what the Ustadhs recommend. There are so many different books on Arabic, each having different descriptions for Ism, Fi'l and Harf etc. So we should stick what the teacher's way.

Al-Hamdulillah I lovin it so Far. Mufti Imran is brilliant, cracks me up all the time. Shaykh Shazad is excellent. Shaykh Zahir, Umm I am abit scared of him, Maybe because of my respect for him. He is a Great scholar and when he speaks, he's very uplifting.

Allah has indeed blessed us with their company. May Allah make easy for us our task.

Your As-Suffa Brother,

Hayat.

Wa Salam

:salam:

Brother Hayat, how are you?

Insha-Allah will see you today evening.

shaykh Zahir is awesome, his English is great too Masha-Allah.


Allah has indeed blessed us with their company. May Allah make easy for us our task.

Ameen.

p.s. Insha-Allah you can be the first to post the notes after today: )

:ws:

[Quraatulain]

.Sis what is your level of Arabic? Which books are u using? Sorry i forgot.

I still consider myself a beginner eventhough i've been studying for awhile.I have covered almost all the nahw/sarf rules but applying them is the most difficult bit.
Books i'm using varies , for practicals we use zaad ut talibeen and Qasus un nabiyeen also done a bit of tafseer.
This thread is a good idea for those of you studying together .
*btw Shaykh Zahir is a brilliant speaker mashaAllah.
May Allah swt increase our knowledge of deen and let us practice upon it and may it be a means of our salvation on the Day of Qiyaamah.Aameen

wasalam

[muslim forever]

I still consider myself a beginner eventhough i've been studying for awhile.I have covered almost all the nahw/sarf rules but applying them is the most difficult bit.
Books i'm using varies , for practicals we use zaad ut talibeen and Qasus un nabiyeen also done a bit of tafseer.
This thread is a good idea for those of you studying together .
*btw Shaykh Zahir is a brilliant speaker mashaAllah.
May Allah swt increase our knowledge of deen and let us practice upon it and may it be a means of our salvation on the Day of Qiyaamah.Aameen

wasalam

Salaam,

Ameen to ur dua!

Yes, i know what u mean...Applying the rules is a bit difficult, but what im finding really difficult is learning all the verb forms. Sis how are u finding memorising all the vocab and verb forms? What technique do u employ?

And yep Shaykh Zahir Mahood is brilliant.





I had to force myself to learn Urdu [Reading and writing] a year back 'unfortunately' - (joke), im not that bad now, getting better, Alhmadulillah..

My speaking and understanding of Urdu is Masha-Allah good which i knew from before.

The book i mentioned i think you can get from Amsons, but i got mine from al Mu'min..

Our teachers gave us the book names and where its available from and we get them.

Where is Al-Mumin? Which area in Bham? Never heard of that shop before.

And mashallah u've learnt Urdu!! Your a bengali and u've learnt urdu and im a paki and i can't even speak or read much urdu...Now i feel bad!
But anyways am happy that u've learnt urdu mashallah. May Allah swt continue to increase you in knowledge. Ameen.

Btw, any classes for sisters in as-suffa yet? If so any idea when?


JazakAllah
Wasalaam

[mospike]

In order to facilitate memorisation i first look at the word and it's spelling whilst saying it out loud for like 7 or so times then i read it looking at it 5 times and then 10 times without looking at it and 5 times writing it on paper or in the visualised writing in the air with my fingers

It's around about 20 repetitions of one word and then shukar i have it

[al_Zayn]

Salaam,

Where is Al-Mumin? Which area in Bham? Never heard of that shop before.

And mashallah u've learnt Urdu!! Your a bengali and u've learnt urdu and im a paki and i can't even speak or read much urdu...Now i feel bad!
But anyways am happy that u've learnt urdu mashallah. May Allah swt continue to increase you in knowledge. Ameen.

Btw, any classes for sisters in as-suffa yet? If so any idea when?


JazakAllah
Wasalaam

WaSalaam

Al Mu'min is in L.O.Z.

Im not a pro in Urdu yet, im still learning......Urdu is a great language Alhamdulillah, the Madaris' in Bangladesh teach it, its a must there...its the language of the great Shuyookhs, so i should learn it too.

Classes are going to resume for Brothers and Sisters early next year, the Fiqh and Aqeedah classes, Insha-Allah.

:ws:

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

Daktoor Hayat, i mean fellow Thalibul `Ilm : )

Is it possible for you to explain to us the lesson of Shaykh Zahir that took yesterday? il be honest, i was lost half way through the lesson lol.

Explain Murakkab-e-Naqis's subcategories Idhaafi, Mudhaafi Ilayh and Tawseefi please. [i think these 2 were the ones we went over yesterday].

:jazak: Bro.

:ws:

[mospike]

Muthaaf and Muthaafun Ilay is where the second word shows possesion of the first

Mausoof Siffat is when the second word describes the first word

Muthaafun Ilay will always be in a state of Jar

Mousoof Sifat must be the same in 4 things

Adad
Gender
I'raab
Marifa wa Tankeer

[hayatali]

اسلم اليكم

I haven't got my notes with me, I'm at work at moment. I was quite baffled myself yesterday. Insha'allah if you sit down with your notes, it will itself become clear. Its just that in the class you don't get a chance to sink it in because the class is moving so quickly.

مركب ءاضافى

1. The compound in which both parts are nouns and the first noun is related to the second noun is called مركب ءاضافى.

e.g.

كتاب زيد -(Kitaabu Zaidun) - Book of Zaid
خاتم فضة- (Khaatamu fiddhatin) - Ring of silver
ماء النحر- (Maa'u-unnahr) - Water of the river

2. The first part of (مركب ءاضافى) is called (مضاف) while the second part is called (مضاف اليه).

e.g.
كتاب زيد
كتاب is مضاف
زيد is مضاف اليه

مضافhas a Dammah (unless its proceeded by something else). It can't have a tanwin. مضاف is always before مضاف اليه

And not forgetting, مركب ءاضافى is not a complele sentence.

(Taken from the handout we didn't recieve)

مركب توصيفى

Look at the handout for this one. The explanation the handout give good.

انشاء الله - I'll sit down when I get home and try understand it.

وسلم

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

Brother Hayati,

Correct me if im wrong, Idhafi is a subcategory of Murakkab-e-Naqis?

And Idhafi is broken down into another 2 subcategories?

Mudhaf [Which is the beginning word] and Mudhafi Ilayh [which is the last word]?

Mudhaf always has a Dhammah [It could change depending on sentence preceeding it?]

And Mudhafi Ilayh is always in the state of Kasrah?

Idhafi = Meaning of Possession?

Mudhaf = Possession? [first word]

Mudhafi Ilayh = Possesser? [last word]

i.e. Rasulullah? Rasul = Possession, and Allah = Possesor?

[Please no Fatwa of Kufr on me, im still a learner]

other examples would be, Kitabullah, Abdullah, Shahru Ramadhan, Sayfullah??

After i read the handout thoroughly on Murakkab-e-Tawseefi il post some info, Insha-Allah.

Anyone who knows this please correct my above type up if it is wrong.

:jazak: Bro Hayati and Bro Mospike.

:ws:

p.s. Bro Hayati Jazakumullah Khayr for getting me the book. : > )

[mospike]

About Murakab Ithafi

The particle AL (ALIF LAM) cannot be attached to the Muthaf and it cannot get Tanween.

Start using the Halaat to describe nouns, in the case of the Muthaf Ilay it is Majroor and will always be mayroor (kasra). It is Naqis (an incomplete sentence)

Always translate (into English) the Muthaafun Ilay first

[muslim forever]

Salaam,

Ah the idafah construction...Inshallah you guys will grasp it quickly. Its not as hard as it may seem right now (i.e in the initial stages of learning it). Soon, it will come to u guys naturally...It didn't take too long for me to learn it, alhamdulillah i understood it quickly and easily so if i can do it, then im sure u guys can do it very quickly and easily...read the posts my brother mospike, they should help inshallah.

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

About Murakab Ithafi

The particle AL (ALIF LAM) cannot be attached to the Muthaf and it cannot get Tanween.

So by that you mean - al-Kitab - cannot be Mudhaf? because it contains AL [ALIF LAM]?


Start using the Halaat to describe nouns, in the case of the Muthaf Ilay it is Majroor and will always be mayroor (kasra). It is Naqis (an incomplete sentence)

What is Halaat? and how do i use it to describe Ism? can you please explain?


Always translate (into English) the Muthaafun Ilay first

Gotcha, so Kitabu Zaydun would be Zaid's Kitab? right?

:jazak: for your help.

:ws:

[mospike]

Yes it would be Zaids Book just like Ghulamu Zaidin will be Zaids Slave

1. مركب اضافي is that part of a sentence where one اسم is connected to another اسم in a special way that shows possesion. The first part which is the object being linked is called the مضاف and the object to which it is being linked is called the مضاف ليه. e.g غلام زيد

2. مركب توصفي is that part of a sentence where one word describes another. The first part is the موصوف and the second which is the describing word is called صفت e.g رجلٌ صالحٌ

عر ا ب is of two types

حركتي which is فتحة كسر ة ضمة

حر في which is ا و ي

The ا عراب of مبني (those words which do not accept all I'raab) is فتحة كرة ضمة
The ا عراب of معرب (those that change ) is رفع نسب خر

[al_Zayn]

:salam:


Yes it would be Zaids Book just like Ghulamu Zaidin will be Zaids Slave

I made a mistake, it should have been Kitabu Zaydin, not Zaydun, because the Mudhafi Ilayh is always in the state of Kasarah, teek?


1. مركب اضافي is that part of a sentence where one اسم is connected to another اسم in a special way that shows possesion. The first part which is the object being linked is called the مضاف and the object to which it is being linked is called the مضاف ليه. e.g غلام زيد

Jazakumullah, that has explained things well, its beginning to come very clear now.


2. مركب توصفي is that part of a sentence where one word describes another. The first part is the موصوف and the second which is the describing word is called صفت e.g رجلٌ صالحٌ

عر ا ب is of two types

حركتي which is فتحة كسر ة ضمة

حر في which is ا و ي

The ا عراب of مبني (those words which do not accept all I'raab) is فتحة كرة ضمة
The ا عراب of معرب (those that change ) is رفع نسب خر

I dont think we have reached this far yet in our Lesson, but in essence you are saying in Murakkab-e-Tawseefi, the first Ism is described by the latter Sifat?

The first word being the Dhat and the latter being its Sifat?

What does Harkati and Harfi mean? and what do they refer to?

Can you please explain the last sentence of yours which i underlined, because you have lost me lol

:jazak: Bro, for taking your time out to help me.

:ws:

[al_Zayn]

Salaam,

Ah the idafah construction...Inshallah you guys will grasp it quickly. Its not as hard as it may seem right now (i.e in the initial stages of learning it). Soon, it will come to u guys naturally...It didn't take too long for me to learn it, alhamdulillah i understood it quickly and easily so if i can do it, then im sure u guys can do it very quickly and easily...read the posts my brother mospike, they should help inshallah.

Wasalaam

:ws:

Make du`a that we do grasp it quickly, because everyone in Shaykh Zahir's lesson seems lost including me lol

Do you have any notes on this from your Nahw class on the topic at hand?

[mospike]

Honestly Mu'rab and Mabniy are very difficult concepts to understand at first

Inshallah when you reach this lesson we can take it from there, for now i think you would just get confused....

For now you should concentrate on Understanding Tawseefi and Idhafi

What i do outside class is use many other Nahwa and Sarf kitaabs in terms of reading they help me to understand my teachers lesson

[al_Zayn]

Honestly Mu'rab and Mabniy are very difficult concepts to understand at first

Inshallah when you reach this lesson we can take it from there, for now i think you would just get confused....

For now you should concentrate on Understanding Tawseefi and Idhafi

What i do outside class is use many other Nahwa and Sarf kitaabs in terms of reading they help me to understand my teachers lesson

:jazak: Bro for your advice.

Really appreciate it.

Bro Shaykh Hayat : ) which section was your strength in the exams? Aqeedah/Fiqh/Sects?

Masha-Allah, our Bro, Hayat got 89% in his exam on Fiqh and Aqeedah. Awesome.

Bro Hugga, your results are in the post, Insha-Allah you'll recieve it 2moro, let us know what you got.

:ws:

[muslim forever]

:ws:

Make du`a that we do grasp it quickly, because everyone in Shaykh Zahir's lesson seems lost including me lol

Do you have any notes on this from your Nahw class on the topic at hand?

Salaam,

To be honest, Dr Surty's book is very self explanatory, so i don't really feel the need to make notes on seperate papers/book. If i need to write something down, i just wirte it in the text book. I don't really make notes on a seperate book/paper. Its just the way i do things when it comes to learning Arabic. But if u need help on anything, i can help u inshallah....i can explain things on here for u and others can correct me if im wrong.

If u want, i can write down what Dr Surty says about the idafah construction in his book for u, perhaps that will help. His book is really easy to understand and use...

Btw, i was wondering u know those fiqh and aqeedah classes, were they only on a Sunday? And what month do the classes start again?

Br Hugga: Do u have contacts with 'M' still?

Wasalaam

[muslim forever]

Salam

Br Mospike, may i ask which books you are using to learn Arabic from?

And what level is your Arabic? You seem to know alot mashallah!

JazakAllah
Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

Salaam,

To be honest, Dr Surty's book is very self explanatory, so i don't really feel the need to make notes on seperate papers/book. If i need to write something down, i just wirte it in the text book. I don't really make notes on a seperate book/paper. Its just the way i do things when it comes to learning Arabic. But if u need help on anything, i can help u inshallah....i can explain things on here for u and others can correct me if im wrong.

If u want, i can write down what Dr Surty says about the idafah construction in his book for u, perhaps that will help. His book is really easy to understand and use...

Btw, i was wondering u know those fiqh and aqeedah classes, were they only on a Sunday? And what month do the classes start again?

Br Hugga: Do u have contacts with 'M' still?

Wasalaam

:salam:

If it wouldn't cause you too much of a hassle that would be great, :jazak:

My mate has Dr Surty's book, Masha-Allah i skipped through a few weeks back, really good.

The classes were on a sunday, the new classes may change Wallahu A'lam.

It will start in the new year as we have been told, Insha-Allah; pray it starts earlier.

Contact as-Suffa through email and ask them if they can fix the classes on a saturday.

:ws:

[mospike]

my knowledge of laws is okay cause i can remember Qawaaid easily but my application in terms of applying them whilst reading is terrible......

However i am working on it and Inshallah as times goes on it can only get better

I use my teachers set work and then do extra reading with Arbi Ka Muallim and 2 other books by Moulana Hasan Dockrat and then i use the material found on lisanul arab

May Allah make it easy for us all to learn arabic

[muslim forever]

:salam:

If it wouldn't cause you too much of a hassle that would be great, :jazak:

My mate has Dr Surty's book, Masha-Allah i skipped through a few weeks back, really good.

The classes were on a sunday, the new classes may change Wallahu A'lam.

It will start in the new year as we have been told, Insha-Allah; pray it starts earlier.

Contact as-Suffa through email and ask them if they can fix the classes on a saturday.

:ws:

Salaam,

Inshallah i will do it in the evening for u...


Contact as-Suffa through email and ask them if they can fix the classes on a saturday.

Probs will do this, but i'll see what happens...i dunno whats gonna happen next year with me....How long were the lessons for? 2hrs?

Wasalaam

[muslim forever]

my knowledge of laws is okay cause i can remember Qawaaid easily but my application in terms of applying them whilst reading is terrible......

However i am working on it and Inshallah as times goes on it can only get better

I use my teachers set work and then do extra reading with Arbi Ka Muallim and 2 other books by Moulana Hasan Dockrat and then i use the material found on lisanul arab

May Allah make it easy for us all to learn arabic

Salaam,

Inshallah keep trying....mashallah it appears that you know a lot.


May Allah make it easy for us all to learn arabic

Ameen

Wasalaam

[muslim forever]

Salaam,

Br Mospike, may i ask for some tips on how to memorise the verb forms? Im struggling like big time...its so confusing sometimes and plus i have a terrible memory!

Any tips/ suggestions would be greatly appreciated .

JazakAllah
Wasalaam

[mospike]

once you got the base stem scales memorised the rest becomes very easy

all you need to learn thereafter is how does Mudhari become Madhy (by adding a Yaa and giving the faa kalima a saakin and laam a dhamma) and so on

Thats how i memorised it

understand how WHY the patter changes and note the meanings this makes it much easier

Also i would advice you perfect all the scales with Fa A La first and then used other words Like Fa Ta Ha and Tha ra Ba etc.....

[hayatali]

:jazak: Bro for your advice.

Really appreciate it.

Bro Shaykh Hayat : ) which section was your strength in the exams? Aqeedah/Fiqh/Sects?

Masha-Allah, our Bro, Hayat got 89% in his exam on Fiqh and Aqeedah. Awesome.

Bro Hugga, your results are in the post, Insha-Allah you'll recieve it 2moro, let us know what you got.

:ws:

Assalamu Alaykum,

Shaykh? UMM... Don't know about That.

I think it was Fiqh.

All Praise be to Allah, The All Knowing, All Wise.

Wa Salam

[muslim forever]

Salaam,

wow 89%, thats excellent mashallah!!....so i guess he has ijaza now right?

And is Brother hayatali a shaykh? *confused*

And in the process of typing the relevent idafah section from Dr Surty's book. Inshallah will give them to u in the evening....

Wasalaam

[hayatali]

Salaam,

wow 89%, thats excellent mashallah!!....so i guess he has ijaza now right?

And is Brother hayatali a shaykh? *confused*

And in the process of typing the relevent idafah section from Dr Surty's book. Inshallah will give them to u in the evening....

Wasalaam

No, Sister I'm not a Shaykh. I am a student like all of us here.

May Allah grant us beneficial knowledge and the Taufeeq to apply it.

[muslim forever]

once you got the base stem scales memorised the rest becomes very easy

all you need to learn thereafter is how does Mudhari become Madhy (by adding a Yaa and giving the faa kalima a saakin and laam a dhamma) and so on

Thats how i memorised it

understand how WHY the patter changes and note the meanings this makes it much easier

Also i would advice you perfect all the scales with Fa A La first and then used other words Like Fa Ta Ha and Tha ra Ba etc.....

Salaam,

JazakAllah brother.

Akhi, could you please tell me the difference between passive participle and the perfect....

So for instance:

مَعْلُومٌ = known (the passive participle)


يَعْلَمُ = known (the perfect- i.e. past tense)

Both of the verbs above translate as 'known' in English? Is my understanding correct?
If so then i really don't understand the difference between them.

JazakAllah
Wasalaam

[muslim forever]

No, Sister I'm not a Shaykh. I am a student like all of us here.



oh ok. I was just wondering becos Bro Zaynul called you a shaykh in one of his previous posts.


May Allah grant us beneficial knowledge and the Taufeeq to apply it.

Ameen!

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Shaykh? UMM... Don't know about That.

I think it was Fiqh.

All Praise be to Allah, The All Knowing, All Wise.

Wa Salam

Shaykh, joke...

My strength was Aqeedah and and Fiqh, i lost majority of my marks on sectors, which made my overal marks low : ( iv calculated that i got 91% on Aqeedah section and 90% on Fiqh section roughly.

On sects; Verses on Tamkeen i got Zilch, the refutation of the Qadianis about the verse 'so called' mentioning Qadian i also got Zilch, and a few other Zilches on the sectors.

But i have to say the certficates look Awesome! you put yours on the wall yet bro? : )

Praises are due to Allah.

:ws:

[al_Zayn]

oh ok. I was just wondering becos Bro Zaynul called you a shaykh in one of his previous posts

I call him Shaykh because of his piety!

Allah has blessed me with such pious company [next to me in lesson]. : )

May we all benefit from our studies of Deen.

Ameen.

:Ws:

[muslim forever]

Salaam,

I've typed up the idafah section from Dr Surty's book. Just two rules are not typed up. I don't think you will need to know them at the moment, which is why i haven't typed them up.

If you or anyone else spot any mistakes then please do let me know inshallah.

Hope it helps inshallah.

Request for duas please.

Wasalaam

[muslim forever]

I call him Shaykh because of his piety!

Allah has blessed me with such pious company [next to me in lesson]. : )

May we all benefit from our studies of Deen.

Ameen.

:Ws:

Salaam,

Ah mashallah!....May Allah swt bless you both. Ameen.

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

Salaam,

I've typed up the idafah section from Dr Surty's book. Just two rules are not typed up. I don't think you will need to know them at the moment, which is why i haven't typed them up.

If you or anyone else spot any mistakes then please do let me know inshallah.

Hope it helps inshallah.

Request for duas please.

Wasalaam

:salam:

:jazak: Sister for typing it out, much appreciated.

Im abit tired now, so 2moro in the morning il look at it Insha-Allah.

:jazak: to everyone who has helped me out.

:ws:

[hugga12]

salam- i got well erm- i dont want to say but- letS say about half marks- i aced some sections but i flopped in some sections- i intend to motivate myself to get better marks- and inshallah the main thing is to act upon what we learnt

[al_Zayn]

salam- i got well erm- i dont want to say but- letS say about half marks- i aced some sections but i flopped in some sections- i intend to motivate myself to get better marks- and inshallah the main thing is to act upon what we learnt

Masha-Allah, very good Bro. as rightly stated acting upon it is the important bit.

May Allah accept our efforts.

:ws:

[muslim forever]

salam- i got well erm- i dont want to say but- letS say about half marks- i aced some sections but i flopped in some sections- i intend to motivate myself to get better marks- and inshallah the main thing is to act upon what we learnt

Salaam,

Mashallah!! Am happy for you.

Wasalaam

[hugga12]

jazakullah khayr

[hugga12]

ramadan is upon us

[hugga12]

ramadan mubaraak all

[hugga12]

salam- alhamdillah will do

[muslim forever]

Salaam,

Ramadhan Mubarak!

I was wondering where in Brum can u *buy* the fundamentals arabic book by Shyakh Husain? I saw it once in House of Knowledge on Cov rd, but i don't think they sell it there anymore. Amsons and IPCI don't sell the book either.

Wasalaam

[hugga12]

inshallah- ill try to find out- i think theres an online version available

[hugga12]

here is the fundamentals books all volumes with audio http://www.sacredlearning.org/classr...abic/index.htm

[muslim forever]

Salaam,

JazakAllah brother. I actually wanted to buy it because i would find it easier reading from a book. But if its not available to buy in Bham, then i'll use the online version.

If you or anyone one else know where to get this book from in Bham then please do let me know.

The only place i have ever seen it is in House of Knowledge, but i went there today and i didn't see it.

Wasalaam

[hayatali]

Assalamu Alaykum Sister,

Why don't you buy it off the internet? Try this website.

http://www.azharacademy.com/Scripts/prodlistB.asp

£7.50 + P&P

Wa Salam

[hayatali]

Sorry, I didn't paste the full link.

http://www.azharacademy.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=1269

[hugga12]

Sorry, I didn't paste the full link.

http://www.azharacademy.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=1269



is there a lesson today brother at as suffa?

[al_Zayn]

is there a lesson today brother at as suffa?

nope, there is no lessons in Ramadhan, after the week of Eid classes will resume as normal, Insha-Allah.

as-Suffa will be sending e-mails out with the exact dates.

:ws:

[muslim forever]

Salaam,


Sorry, I didn't paste the full link.

http://www.azharacademy.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=1269

JazakAllah akhi!

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

اسلم اليكم

I haven't got my notes with me, I'm at work at moment. I was quite baffled myself yesterday. Insha'allah if you sit down with your notes, it will itself become clear. Its just that in the class you don't get a chance to sink it in because the class is moving so quickly.

مركب ءاضافى

1. The compound in which both parts are nouns and the first noun is related to the second noun is called مركب ءاضافى.

e.g.

كتاب زيد -(Kitaabu Zaidun) - Book of Zaid
خاتم فضة- (Khaatamu fiddhatin) - Ring of silver
ماء النحر- (Maa'u-unnahr) - Water of the river

2. The first part of (مركب ءاضافى) is called (مضاف) while the second part is called (مضاف اليه).

e.g.
كتاب زيد
كتاب is مضاف
زيد is مضاف اليه

مضافhas a Dammah (unless its proceeded by something else). It can't have a tanwin. مضاف is always before مضاف اليه

And not forgetting, مركب ءاضافى is not a complele sentence.

(Taken from the handout we didn't recieve)

مركب توصيفى

Look at the handout for this one. The explanation the handout give good.

انشاء الله - I'll sit down when I get home and try understand it.

وسلم

:salam:

Brother Hayat, on which page of Arabic tutor can i find this?

:jazak:

Ramadhan Mubarak.

:ws:

[hayatali]

:salam:

Brother Hayat, on which page of Arabic tutor can i find this?

:jazak:

Ramadhan Mubarak.

:ws:

Wa alaykum salam,

Page 78. Have you bought the book? I found out they can be purchased for £10, all 4 volumes. Have you been studying your notes? I am finding it difficult to set time/energy aside for study with everything else happing in Ramadan.

Hayat

[hugga12]

salam

[muslim forever]

Ok thanks....

Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

Wa alaykum salam,

Page 78. Have you bought the book? I found out they can be purchased for £10, all 4 volumes. Have you been studying your notes? I am finding it difficult to set time/energy aside for study with everything else happing in Ramadan.

Hayat

:ws:

Iv been knackered throughout Ramadhan, only a few time i went over my noted, Allah make it easier for us.

:jazak:

I haven't bought the book i downloaded it off the net, where can you buy the book? £10 for all four volumes? wow, great deal! Do you know any shops where i can purchse it from Bro?

:ws:

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

Its here:

http://www.as-suffa.org/

Evening Alim + Alimah Classes


Course Introduction

Alhamdulillah, As-Suffa Institute will be resuming the Alim + Alimah classes after Ramadan. This time As-Suffa Institute is giving the same opportunity to sisters to enrol for this course. There will be separate facilities for the sisters.

The Evening Alim Class is a course devised to allow students to attain the basic tool of the Islamic Sciences. The purpose of these Islamic Studies is to provide the students with an opportunity to study Islamic Sciences in an environment where they will not have to compromise any of their religious beliefs or values. Equipped with a sound grounding in Islamic Sciences, it is inevitable that this course will make its students to be true representatives of Islam.

Our Alim course is a 4 year intensive course which is instructed by the Ulama of As-Suffa Institute who all have gained licences to teach (Ijazas).

This Alim class is an addition to the current successful running Alim class, which the students are currently in their third year.


Who Is This Course For?

* Muslim students who want to study Islamic sciences.
* Muslims who want to learn and understand the Arabic language.
* Individuals who wish to obtain Ikhlas and Adaab.
* Individuals who want to learn Sacred Islamic Knowledge.
* Individuals who will holistically contribute towards the Muslim communities.
* Muslims who have recently embraced Islam.
* Muslims who cannot devote their time for full time Islamic Studies.



What You Will Gain From This Course?



* A sound understanding in Islamic Sciences.
* You will gain strong conduct and motivation in your Islamic Knowledge.
* Increase in knowledge about our Deen.
* The understanding of Islamic rules and laws.
* Knowledge being learnt in an Islamic cultural environment.



Why Attend This Course?

‘The seeking of knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim male and female’ – (Hadith)
The Qur’an and Sunnah consistently remind the believers of gaining Islamic Knowledge and implementing it in our lives. This is your opportunity to obtain an insight of Sacred Knowledge and make full commitment, devotion and struggle for the pleasure of Allah. As-Suffa Institute courses are always presented in English.



What Will You Be Learning?



* Arabic: (Grammar, Rhetoric & Literature).
* Qur’an: (Tajweed (The art of correct recitation), Hifz, Tafsir and Introduction to Qur’anic Studies).
* Aqeeda: (Islamic Belief & Doctrine).
* Hadeeth: Introduction to Hadeeth Studies – Bukhari, Muslim and more.
* Legal Studies: Fiqh & Usul al-Fiqh
* Islamic History: Life of the Prophet (SAW), The companions, General Islamic History.
* Mantiq: Logical & Critical Thinking




Teachers: Shaykh Zahir Mahmood

Mufti Sajaad Mohammad

Shaykh Shazad Khan

Mufti Imran



Enrolment Day: Monday 6th October 2008

Just Turn Up On The Day



Enrolment Fee: £40.00



Initial Course Fee: £30.00 per month(for employed person)

£20.00 per month(for unemployed person)

Course Timings: Tuesday and Thursdays, 7:30pm to 9:30pm



Duration: 4 Years



General Info: Registration Is Required

Enrolment is for sisters only

Please bring writing and note taking material.

For further information contact 07912555049 or e-mail to info@as-suffa.org

[muslim forever]

What Will You Be Learning?



* Arabic: (Grammar, Rhetoric & Literature).
* Qur’an: (Tajweed (The art of correct recitation), Hifz, Tafsir and Introduction to Qur’anic Studies).
* Aqeeda: (Islamic Belief & Doctrine).
* Hadeeth: Introduction to Hadeeth Studies – Bukhari, Muslim and more.
* Legal Studies: Fiqh & Usul al-Fiqh
* Islamic History: Life of the Prophet (SAW), The companions, General Islamic History.
* Mantiq: Logical & Critical Thinking



Salaam,

What do you study in the first year of this course? Is it only Arabic, Fiqh and Tajweed/ Tafsir or something?

JazakAllah
Wasalaam

[al_Zayn]

Salaam,

What do you study in the first year of this course? Is it only Arabic, Fiqh and Tajweed/ Tafsir or something?

JazakAllah
Wasalaam

:salam:

I think the 1st year we will be heavily learning Arabic, then Tajweed for those who dont know it, and small amounts of Tafsirs from Amma Para and maybe basic Fiqh, not sure.

Wallahu A'lam.

:ws:

[muslim forever]

:salam:

I think the 1st year we will be heavily learning Arabic, then Tajweed for those who dont know it, and small amounts of Tafsirs from Amma Para and maybe basic Fiqh, not sure.

Wallahu A'lam.

:ws:


Salaam,

Oh ok...i was just curious thats all...thanks

Wasalaam

[hayatali]

Assalamu Alaikum,

First year will be mostly arabic, ILM-US-SARF, ILM-UN NAHW, Al Arabia Baina Yadaik, then after a few weeks we'll start going through Qasas-Un Nabien. Maybe at end of the year Amma Para. Next year more Qur'an, Nur-ul Idah...

Wa Salam.

[hugga12]

what are the other books used? as i have got one book- the one where we learn our verbs from- what other books do we need for mufti imran lesson- becuase i tthought the book i got was supposed to be a part of a set...

[hayatali]

1) ILM-US-SARF is one or two parts depends on the version you get. The newly published version is in two parts Awwaleen and Ahkareen.

2) Safwatul Masadir

3) Al Arabia Baina Yadaik

[DesertSand]

Assalamualykum... Just been looking through the posts, and read the discussion concerning idhafah.

If i'm correct, there's been 2 conditions mentioned with regards to the Mudhaf (posessed noun).
1. Will not have ال
2. Will not have tanween.

And there's also 1 more... The ن for dual and plural will be omitted.
E.g كِتَابَا زَيْدٍ كَبِيرَانِ (Zayd's 2 books are big.)

The ن from the posessed noun كِتَابَانِ has been omitted, according to the rule.

Ofcourse واللَّهُ اعْلَم and feel free to correct!

Was Salaam!

[hugga12]

salam
brother zaynuljmb2 and bro hayatalii
Do you remember in aqeedah lesosns on Sunday, Mufti Sajaad used to go through a certain point. The point was the religion of Allah would always be in the majority. I belive this, but I need to expalin it to someone who says he is gonna need proof for it. So I was wondering if you could provide quranic references and hadeeth backing up this point?

[al_Zayn]

salam
brother zaynuljmb2 and bro hayatalii
Do you remember in aqeedah lesosns on Sunday, Mufti Sajaad used to go through a certain point. The point was the religion of Allah would always be in the majority. I belive this, but I need to expalin it to someone who says he is gonna need proof for it. So I was wondering if you could provide quranic references and hadeeth backing up this point?

:ws:

Sorry for the late reply.

"And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided amongst yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.". [Quran 3:103]

According to some Mufassireen, 'all together' is referring to those who stick to the Jam'ah [Majority], because they are together and not divided.

This is why our Prophet :saw: said:

"Yadullahi 'Alal Jama'ah" [Sunan al-Tirmidhi] [Allah's Hand is upon the Majority.]

There are many more Hadiths that substantiate that Allah and His Rasool :saw: favour the Majority of Muslims.

These Ahadith are in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

If i have time il post them 2moro, Insha-Allah.

p.s. When are our lessons resuming, any idea?

:ws:

[hugga12]

im not sure- jazakullah tho

[hugga12]

Assalamu alaikum,

Good News!

Classes beginning early.

The classes will begin on the Tuesday 7th October.

Please attend on time.

Class will start prompt at 7:30pm.

Jazakallah

Wasalaam

--
Regards,

As-Suffa Institute

25 Park Lane
Aston, Birmingham
West Midlands
B6 5DA

[hugga12]

salam i dint come to yesterday lesson, can the brothers talk about what was taught yesterday?

jazakullah

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

Dont worry bro Hugga, you haven't missed anything.

We only had to re-start from scratch because of the sisters.

Bro Hayat?.....

Is it possible for you to explain the causative [`Aamil] and the none causative [Ghayr `Aamil] for the Huroof [Harf = Particles]? or anyone else who knows it please write a paragraph for me please with basic explanation.

:jazak:

:ws:

[hugga12]

salam brother zaynuljbmb2 is it possible if you could send me a copy of the homework as i have not recieved mines.

[hugga12]

salam could anyone send me an email containing the as suffa home work

[al_Zayn]

salam could anyone send me an email containing the as suffa home work

Iv sent you a copy [scan] of my homework.

WaSalaam.

[hugga12]

jazakullah for the scan

May Allah grant you jannatol firdous - ameen

[al_Zayn]

jazakullah for the scan

May Allah grant you jannatol firdous - ameen

Bro Hugga, check your e-mail i sent you the latest homework.

:ws:

[hugga12]

jazakullah

[hugga12]

salam- brother zaynuljmb and brother hayatali - i just wanted to ask you a question regarding the lessons. i seem to find trouble in writing in arabic . it takes me about ten minute just to write a few arabic word . ( i'm serious).

and, the vocabulary that is in arabic tutor, how would you revise that, learn, do you have a technique?

[hayatali]

Wa alaykum salam,

See Attachment for writing practice. Print it out and practice your writing.
As regards to vocab, try repeating the word with the meaning in mind and vice versa. Yes, Repition. Use them in your daily life when possible. i.e. when you see a house think what the arabic is for it. baitun, Daarun.

[mospike]

learning to write arabic is like learning to pronounce arabic letters,,,,


Shukr i have been writing arabic since grade 2

[hugga12]

salam

jazakullah for the pack-

[al_Zayn]

:salam:

Iv been searching for the Arabic word for Flowing in my Arabic Tutor, but can't seem to locate it, can anyone tell me the Arabic word used for it?

i.e, 'The Flowing Rivers': [ 'al-Anhuru ............' ]

I know Anhuru is Jam`u Mukassar / Jam`u Ghayr `Aqil hence the Adjective [Sifat] will be Wahid Mu'annath.

Jazak-Allah for any help given.

:ws:

[hayatali]

:salam:

Iv been searching for the Arabic word for Flowing in my Arabic Tutor, but can't seem to locate it, can anyone tell me the Arabic word used for it?

i.e, 'The Flowing Rivers': [ 'al-Anhuru ............' ]

I know Anhuru is Jam`u Mukassar / Jam`u Ghayr `Aqil hence the Adjective [Sifat] will be Wahid Mu'annath.

Jazak-Allah for any help given.

:ws:

Salam bro,

the word جاري (current) also means flowing. You can also use تدفق. Thadaffaq'un.

[muslima2507]

:salam:
dunno if this is the right place to ask but i was wondering if anyone knows the difference between the words "al-juloosu" and "al-qu'oodu" in english they both mean "to sit" but theres a difference in them which ive been told to find out about, if anyone does know the answer then please let me know.
Jazakallahu khair

[hayatali]

:salam:
dunno if this is the right place to ask but i was wondering if anyone knows the difference between the words "al-juloosu" and "al-qu'oodu" in english they both mean "to sit" but theres a difference in them which ive been told to find out about, if anyone does know the answer then please let me know.
Jazakallahu khair

I think the difference is;

Al-juloosu is to sit when your are standing.
Al-qu'oodu is to sit from a lying down position.

[al_Zayn]

Salam bro,

the word جاري (current) also means flowing. You can also use تدفق. Thadaffaq'un.

WaSalaam Shaykh.

جاري = i was going to use this word, but isn't the word used in a present tense?


تدفق. = i actually used Shaykh google translator and found this one earlier, but in what tense would we be using it?

الانهر تدفقة = "The flowing Rivers", that right?


:jazak: for your help

[MRahman]

:salam:
dunno if this is the right place to ask but i was wondering if anyone knows the difference between the words "al-juloosu" and "al-qu'oodu" in english they both mean "to sit" but theres a difference in them which ive been told to find out about, if anyone does know the answer then please let me know.
Jazakallahu khair


According to abu hilal al- askari - Al-qu'ood is used for moving from high to low - i.e. it is used to tell one who is standing to sit - as its orginality is from sukoon and istikrar - which is for something to become still and firm - as in dhul qa'dah then month - it is called such as the arabs used to remain home without travelling much - also the word qa'edah is used as these need to be firmly rooted in one.

Al-juloos is - moving from low to high - so it used to ask someone lying to sit up.


It has also been said - that juloos is used for a short sitting - where as qu'ood for a longer while.

Allah knows best!

[hayatali]

WaSalaam Shaykh.

جاري = i was going to use this word, but isn't the word used in a present tense?


تدفق. = i actually used Shaykh google translator and found this one earlier, but in what tense would we be using it?

الانهر تدفقة = "The flowing Rivers", that right?


:jazak: for your help

I thought they very nouns. (Nouns don't have tense) ???

[al_Zayn]

I thought they very nouns. (Nouns don't have tense) ???

I know, i was testing you! ;) :p

See you in Dars today insha-Allah.

[muslima2507]

Jazakallah khair to brother Hayatali and MRahman, i also enquired from another friend and she told me that one is lazim and the other muta-addi, can someone explain this to me, i know what both terms mean but which word is which???

[al_Zayn]

Jazakallah khair to brother Hayatali and MRahman, i also enquired from another friend and she told me that one is lazim and the other muta-addi, can someone explain this to me, i know what both terms mean but which word is which???

Yes the route word; Jalasa, is Lazim because it needs an `Aamil word after it to explain, though it will be in the state of Majroor.

i.e. Jalasa Zaydun `Alaa Kursiyyin.

:ws:

[muslima2507]

Yes the route word; Jalasa, is Lazim because it needs an `Aamil word after it to explain, though it will be in the state of Majroor.

i.e. Jalasa Zaydun `Alaa Kursiyyin.

:ws:

Jazakallah khair

[hayatali]

Yes the route word; Jalasa, is Lazim because it needs an `Aamil word after it to explain, though it will be in the state of Majroor.

i.e. Jalasa Zaydun `Alaa Kursiyyin.

:ws:

I thought Lazim was that verb which is complete on the doer of the action. i.e. ضرب زيد - Dharaba Zaidun

[KeepTheGazeDown]

I thought Lazim was that verb which is complete on the doer of the action. i.e. ضرب زيد - Dharaba Zaidun

Lazim will be as you said which is complete on the doer of the action e.g jalastu = I sat, I dont need mafool to complete the sentence.

[al_Zayn]

I thought Lazim was that verb which is complete on the doer of the action. i.e. ضرب زيد - Dharaba Zaidun

as-Salaamu `Alaykum

Yes you are correct Akhi, but to specify the Lazim you will need to add a word that is `Amil which will change the state to Jarr.

ضرب is not Lazim, it is Muta`addi [i think]...i.e you can stop there or you can add a Maf`ul i.e. optional.

Correct me if im wrong.

:ws:

[hayatali]

as-Salaamu `Alaykum

Yes you are correct Akhi, but to specify the Lazim you will need to add a word that is `Amil which will change the state to Jarr.

ضرب is not Lazim, it is Muta`addi [i think]...i.e you can stop there or you can add a Maf`ul i.e. optional.

Correct me if im wrong.

:ws:

Muta'addi is that verb which ends on both the فاعل and the مفعول , i.e. ضلرب زيد عمروا

[muslima2507]

yes as far as i can remember ive been taught that daraba is muta-addi because its meaning is not complete on a faail only e.g daraba zaydun, but it also needs a mafool e.g daraba zaydun khalidan, and when my teacher was giving us examples for laazim she said jalasa zaydun so i guess it is laazim

[muslima2507]

as-Salaamu `Alaykum

Yes you are correct Akhi, but to specify the Lazim you will need to add a word that is `Amil which will change the state to Jarr.

ضرب is not Lazim, it is Muta`addi [i think]...i.e you can stop there or you can add a Maf`ul i.e. optional.

Correct me if im wrong.

:ws:

When you say Amil you are referring to hurufe jar which will make the word after it a maksoor right?

[al_Zayn]

Muta'addi is that verb which ends on both the فاعل and the مفعول , i.e. ضلرب زيد عمروا

That is correct Bro; except for the Alif you added after the Dhaad : )

[al_Zayn]

When you say Amil you are referring to hurufe jar which will make the word after it a maksoor right?

Yes sis, im not fully acqauinted with the terminologies yet, so i will probably be using terms that are at basic level.

:ws:

[hugga12]

In English, we have words like "from", "to", "with", etc. These are called prepositions. They exist in Arabic, too--"huruful jaar" (حُرُوقُ الجَرّ).

Huruwful jarr modify the words immediately after them, which are called "majruwr" (مَجرُور).

In Arabic Grammar, majurwr words always take kasra (either single or double).

(The one exception is feminine names, which take fatha.)

So for example, if we have a book (kitaabun), then we add the preposition with (bi), it becomes "bi kitaabin" (بِ كِتَابٍ). Or if we have the car (as-sayaaratu), and we add the preposition on (3ala), it becomes "3ala sayaarati" (عَلَى سَيَارَةِ).

Wallahu 'alim. There are only about 17 huruwful jarr, so memorize them inshaAllah. May Allah give us a persistant understanding of this simple but crucial element of Arabic Grammar, ameen!


Vocabulary: Prepositions
fiy (فِي): in

ila (إلَ): to (eg. travel to)

3ala (عَلَى): on (top of)

min (مِن): from

li (لِ): for (eg. for you)

ma3a (مَعَ): with

bi (بِ): at/in/with

7atta (حَتَّ): until

munthu (مُنذُ): since

3an (عَن): about

ka (كَ): like/as

[DesertSand]

7atta (حَتَّ): until



I think you meant 7attaa حَتَّى :)

[bint abdul hameed]

Anybody that wantes to learn grammer, the best book for learning it is Lisaan-ul-Quran, From all the grammer books i've seen this is the absolute best one, The setting is excellent, plus a whole lot of excercises, and lists of words and meanings help alot, you can find it in English, urdu, and Arabic! Oh, adn yes it IS available on the NET!!!!

[muslima2507]

Yes sis, im not fully acqauinted with the terminologies yet, so i will probably be using terms that are at basic level.

:ws:

Dont worry we can all learn from each other inshallah

[muslima2507]

In English, we have words like "from", "to", "with", etc. These are called prepositions. They exist in Arabic, too--"huruful jaar" (حُرُوقُ الجَرّ).

Huruwful jarr modify the words immediately after them, which are called "majruwr" (مَجرُور).

In Arabic Grammar, majurwr words always take kasra (either single or double).

(The one exception is feminine names, which take fatha.)

So for example, if we have a book (kitaabun), then we add the preposition with (bi), it becomes "bi kitaabin" (بِ كِتَابٍ). Or if we have the car (as-sayaaratu), and we add the preposition on (3ala), it becomes "3ala sayaarati" (عَلَى سَيَارَةِ).

Wallahu 'alim. There are only about 17 huruwful jarr, so memorize them inshaAllah. May Allah give us a persistant understanding of this simple but crucial element of Arabic Grammar, ameen!






Jazakallah khair and ameen to your dua

[muslima2507]

So which of you wonderful brothers or sisters can tell me the difference between "hamida" and "madaha"?:cheesygri

[al_Zayn]

So which of you wonderful brothers or sisters can tell me the difference between "hamida" and "madaha"?:cheesygri

I dont know the exact difference, but in my Safwathul Masadir they have the same meaning "Ta`reef Karna", hmm, i wonder what the difference is? i know 1 obvious difference they are both in different Baabs lol.

[muslima2507]

I dont know the exact difference, but in my Safwathul Masadir they have the same meaning "Ta`reef Karna", hmm, i wonder what the difference is? i know 1 obvious difference they are both in different Baabs lol.

LOL jazakallah khair...Anyone know anything else???

[muslima2507]

Well i finally got the answer from my ustaad. Anyone interested to know then heres the difference-
The word "hamida" is used to praise Allah (swt) who is the owner of the praise and the word "madaha" is used to praise people, even though they are not the real deservers of the praise i.e it is Allah (swt).