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MadinahMunawwarah
20-10-2008, 03:15 AM
This article appeared in the ARAB NEWS

What is the position of Ibn Abbas (RA)'s narration that is being referred to in the article?
and what are the other aqwaal and which is the most correct of them?

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=5&section=0&article=115532&d=20&m=10&y=2008&pix=islam.jpg&category=Islam


The first marriage
Adil Salahi | Arab News

When the prospect of marrying Khadijah was put to Muhammad (peace be upon him) by her intimate friend Nufaysah bint Munyah, he expressed his interest straightaway. Nufaysah informed Khadijah who then sent him a message asking him to come and see her. She said to him: “Cousin, (she used this term in the widest sense, since she was a very distant cousin of the Prophet. Their ancestry did not join until the fifth grandparent.) I admire you because of your good position among your people, your honesty and good manners, and because you are a man of your word.” She then made her proposal that they should get married. Muhammad (peace be upon him) was very pleased and went to inform his uncles, who were also very pleased with such a marriage.

Muhammad went with his uncles to meet Khadijah’s uncle, Amr ibn Asad. Abu Talib spoke on behalf of his nephew. He said: “This nephew of mine, Muhammad ibn Abdullah, is without peers in his nobility of character and descent. If he is not wealthy, wealth is only something accidental. Money comes and goes, and many a wealthy man becomes poor. He will certainly have a great future. He is proposing marriage to your honorable daughter, Khadijah. He is giving her a dowry of such-and such.” Amr ibn Asad did not hesitate to make his acceptance clear. The marriage was then concluded at a dowry of 20 young camels.

A grand wedding then followed, with a number of sheep and camels slaughtered to feed the guests. One of them came from a distant place in the desert. That was Halimah, the Prophet’s wet nurse who breast-fed him and took care of him for the first four years of his life. She came specially to attend his wedding. When she was about to leave, Khadijah gave her a generous gift, forty sheep to take home.

It is commonly held by Muslims throughout the world that there was a big gap in age between the newly married couple, Muhammad being only 25 and Khadijah 40. This cannot be taken for granted. In fact it should be rejected. To start with, the Arabs at the time did not keep any sort of time record. Indeed they did not have a calendar by which to date events. They dated from whatever major event took place in their region. Thus, the Prophet is said to have been born in the year of the elephant, referring to the failed attempt by Abrahah to destroy the Kaaba, marching to Makkah at the head of a large army accompanied by a number of elephants.

Khadijah gave Muhammad (peace be upon him), her third husband, six children over a period of ten years. This makes clear that she was in the prime of her reproductive life. It is well known that this is between 18 and 35. While many women give birth after 40, it is extremely unlikely that a woman bears so many children after this age. When we look at other reports of Khadijah’s age, we find that she is stated to have been 25, 30, 35 and 45. The last should be discounted straightaway. Abdullah ibn Abbas, the Prophet’s cousin, who is considered to have been the most learned among the companions of the Prophet, states that she was 28 and not a day older.

Pr1nce
20-10-2008, 08:12 PM
bump

marco100
21-10-2008, 10:18 AM
The widely accepted age amongst scholars is 40. To say because she had 6 children she was past her "reproductive best" is quite a naive if not disgusting statement to make. Allah alone decides who has children and how many, not the human body.

He gave Hazrat Ibrahim's wife a child at such a late age. So what are you alluding to?

Our prophet pbuh came as mercy to mankind. In that, every facet of his life was to show people like us that age, colour, sex etc has no bearing in Islam. He came as a liberator of women and marrying a woman, a widow at that, who was older than him and having a beautiful marriage is fitting for that accolade.

Don't waste time over things that have little to do with spiritual growth.

Pr1nce
21-10-2008, 12:44 PM
The widely accepted age amongst scholars is 40. To say because she had 6 children she was past her "reproductive best" is quite a naive if not disgusting statement to make. Allah alone decides who has children and how many, not the human body.

He gave Hazrat Ibrahim's wife a child at such a late age. So what are you alluding to?

Our prophet pbuh came as mercy to mankind. In that, every facet of his life was to show people like us that age, colour, sex etc has no bearing in Islam. He came as a liberator of women and marrying a woman, a widow at that, who was older than him and having a beautiful marriage is fitting for that accolade.

Don't waste time over things that have little to do with spiritual growth.
My thoughts exactly

Abd'al-Malik
22-10-2008, 12:19 AM
The widely accepted age amongst scholars is 40. To say because she had 6 children she was past her "reproductive best" is quite a naive if not disgusting statement to make. Allah alone decides who has children and how many, not the human body.

He gave Hazrat Ibrahim's wife a child at such a late age. So what are you alluding to?

Our prophet pbuh came as mercy to mankind. In that, every facet of his life was to show people like us that age, colour, sex etc has no bearing in Islam. He came as a liberator of women and marrying a woman, a widow at that, who was older than him and having a beautiful marriage is fitting for that accolade.

Don't waste time over things that have little to do with spiritual growth.


:salam:

I agree with you. Just a note though, there is iktilaf on the issue. I remember reading, according to ibn Kathir :rahim:, there are several different opinions regarding her age.

Here's something I found on google: http://books.google.com/books?id=clreHA8sLyoC&pg=PA417&lpg=PA417&dq=ibn+kathir+khadija+age&source=web&ots=d3izSJV2Nm&sig=MUcmP0HfdXxWH2Jpi0raALHvvE4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result

MadinahMunawwarah
22-10-2008, 01:27 PM
He gave Hazrat Ibrahim's wife a child at such a late age. So what are you alluding to?

I am not alluding to anything....incase you did not understand my post - i was quoting an article from the Arab news in the hope that someone who knew more on the different riwaayaat would comment - i did not say that i agreed or disagreed with the article....

My intention was to write a reply letter to the Arab news article after knowing the facts...

anyway, you definitely not the one that will help as only these riwaayaat dont have any spiritual value to you.

Shukran to Abd'al-Malik..ill check it up in Ibn Kathir (RAH) kitaab inshaAllah

marco100
22-10-2008, 02:11 PM
:salam:

I agree with you. Just a note though, there is iktilaf on the issue. I remember reading, according to ibn Kathir :rahim:, there are several different opinions regarding her age.

Here's something I found on google: http://books.google.com/books?id=clreHA8sLyoC&pg=PA417&lpg=PA417&dq=ibn+kathir+khadija+age&source=web&ots=d3izSJV2Nm&sig=MUcmP0HfdXxWH2Jpi0raALHvvE4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result

Like a lot of things in Islam, there's ikhtilaf. The majority opinion is she was 40 or thereabouts. I just find it slightly unsavoury when people start discussing age, and personal things about blessed people like this, which has nothing to do with a person's spiritual well being. I'm not ignoring any riwayaah at all.

Allah knows best.

Colonel_Hardstone
22-10-2008, 02:14 PM
Asslamo Allaikum,

Please share the difference of opinions with us, Insha'Allah.

I would like to point out that the other Ummahatul-Mumineen didn't have any children (when they were younger) so there goes "logic".

shatibi
22-10-2008, 10:09 PM
:salam:

marco100, please be respectful. You're talking with a scholar here.

:ws: