Did you get your baby/child vaccinated??

[SisterinDeenalHaq]

Aslamo alaikum wr wb

I simply want to know what is your opion or experiences on vaccinatins?

did u get your child vaccinated, why/why not??

did it give you problems if you didn't vaccinate your baby??

what is your stand on this burning topic?
Jazak Allah Khair to all

Fe Amanillahi Kareem

Sister in Deen al Haq

[KeepTheGazeDown]

Aslamo alaikum wr wb

I simply want to know what is your opion or experiences on vaccinatins?

did u get your child vaccinated, why/why not??

did it give you problems if you didn't vaccinate your baby??

what is your stand on this burning topic?
Jazak Allah Khair to all

Fe Amanillahi Kareem

Sister in Deen al Haq

Walikumsalaam

I am against the use of vaccines as I feel they are harmful and we should do our utmost to avoid them.

[SisterinDeenalHaq]

Aslamo Alaikum wr wb

well in some countries they make it mandatory
I have also read from trusted sources that it has haram ingredients,

how come the norm, even countless muslims get their childrens vaccinated without knowing what's in it

waslaam
Sis in Deen al Haq

[KeepTheGazeDown]

Aslamo Alaikum wr wb

well in some countries they make it mandatory
I have also read from trusted sources that it has haram ingredients,

how come the norm, even countless muslims get their childrens vaccinated without knowing what's in it

waslaam
Sis in Deen al Haq

Walaikumsalaam

The reason as to why people still get vaccinated is because they dont know the actual harms of vaccines since they dont carry out research from objective sources. If we are going to give our kids something then it is our responsibility to understand its effects, however, unfortunately people are too lazy to carry out due diligence. If it is mandotory than there is not much I can say to be honest.
People need to check up which firms produce these vaccines, who the heads of these firms are, the actual effects of the vaccine and not theoretical effects.

If you can avoid it than do so otherwise I suppose there is no option.

[xs11ax]

Walikumsalaam

I am against the use of vaccines as I feel they are harmful and we should do our utmost to avoid them.

me too

[Ahmed]

if you read what vaccines contain youd want them banned:mad:

[Abu Shayba]

What do they contain, are there any ingredients in them which are haram?


If we are going to give our kids something then it is our responsibility to understand its effects, however, unfortunately people are too lazy to carry out due diligence.

Can u inform us of their effects and how due diligence can be performed.


People need to check up which firms produce these vaccines, who the heads of these firms are, the actual effects of the vaccine and not theoretical effects.

What info do u have, please share it with us. Do you have children and if so did you have them vaccinated or not.

[White Lily]

as-salaamu alaikum,
I'm actually shocked that so many seem to be against vaccines..

[KeepTheGazeDown]

What do they contain, are there any ingredients in them which are haram?

Can u inform us of their effects and how due diligence can be performed.

What info do u have, please share it with us. Do you have children and if so did you have them vaccinated or not.

As Salaamu Alaikum

There is a surgeon by the name of Dr Lorraine Day, she has provided some objective analysis on such issues. She provides alot more information on issues apart from vaccines. She mentioned that the Aids virus was created in America. Now someone might have a question, if she is mentioning this than why dont the american goverment take her to court? The answer is because she has proof since the actual documentation is in her possesion. Secondly, if she has why dont people know about this? Because the media is not owned by her. Another point is Spanish Flu, more people died after taking vaccines than before taking vaccines.
Id provide the link to her website but its filled with christian information hence im not putting t up. However, be careful because there is a false website on Dr Day which is not her website, it seems to be a decoy.

There is another author I think by the name of Jennifer Lake.

How to carry out due diligence?

1) Research from objectives sources.

2) Find out which company produces that drug and find out their history. e.g for aids, find out in which part of africa did it take off and maybe there were vaccines handed out there before aids took off? Ill leave that to others to research. Then find out who handed out these vaccines and if you find the answer to this than trust me it is shocking to know who handed them out.

Another point is in order to fool people, if a certain product is dangerous for your health than say the opposite to the public i.e tell them that this is the healthiest product on the market. e.g Flouride in toothpase and now also in the water system in the UK, Flouride actually makes a person DUMB!.

and I dont have kids lol. Im still prety young lol. However, If I had kids than I certainly would not get them vaccinated Id rather take the goverment to court.

Hope this helps.

Was Salaamu Alaikum.

[SisterinDeenalHaq]

Aslamo Alaikum wr wb Brothers & sisters
Jumah Mubarik 2 all

SubhanAllah, so fluride, is that bad for u??
u have anything I can read...

and about vaccinations, any parents out there who have chosen not to vaccinate, and what are the consequences??

So far my baby is Ahumdulillah 1 week to 9 months inshAllah ul Aziz

and I have chosen not to vaccinate and now that he got a common cold, it just got me worried, he's had it for 3 weeks now, so I was re thinking my decision....even though everytime I think of the ingredients I hold back

and another issue is how public school requires to have immunizations , inshAllah I don't plan to send my child to public school but I don't know what's the requirement for islamic schools...
and another issue is ...how my whole family, all the extented family are always criticizing and sort of trying to force me into this, that I should get my child vaccinated...

inshAllah I beleive that if some minute quantity or a mild disease can activate antibodies at such a small age then so can it at bigger age...
and some say that even haram is allowed for medicine....

but I beleive that how can animals have answers to our sicknesses...

but yeh Istill am against them...

waslaam
Sister in Deen al Haq

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Vaccines are not completly safe (neither are medicines :) ) YET they are not as dangerous as people make them out to be.

There are a lot of non-sensical-sites on the Internet with Pseudo-science and people who have no background in Medicine get affected by them.

Yes, all my children are vaccinated and half of my family are Medical professionals including women (with one having a PhD. specifically in Pharmacology related sciencesand her daughter is also vaccinated).

[KeepTheGazeDown]

Aslamo Alaikum wr wb Brothers & sisters
Jumah Mubarik 2 all

SubhanAllah, so fluride, is that bad for u??
u have anything I can read...

and about vaccinations, any parents out there who have chosen not to vaccinate, and what are the consequences??

So far my baby is Ahumdulillah 1 week to 9 months inshAllah ul Aziz

and I have chosen not to vaccinate and now that he got a common cold, it just got me worried, he's had it for 3 weeks now, so I was re thinking my decision....even though everytime I think of the ingredients I hold back

and another issue is how public school requires to have immunizations , inshAllah I don't plan to send my child to public school but I don't know what's the requirement for islamic schools...
and another issue is ...how my whole family, all the extented family are always criticizing and sort of trying to force me into this, that I should get my child vaccinated...

inshAllah I beleive that if some minute quantity or a mild disease can activate antibodies at such a small age then so can it at bigger age...
and some say that even haram is allowed for medicine....

but I beleive that how can animals have answers to our sicknesses...

but yeh Istill am against them...

waslaam
Sister in Deen al Haq

As Salaamu Alaikum

http://www.fluorideinbeds.org/FIB/albertschatz.asp

There are non-sensical sites out on the net yes hence it takes good research skills to know which are trustworthy. Futhermore, if we look at the graduates or phd students in universities in 2 of the important fields namely medicine and finance, I am afraid to say most are not as knowlegable as people think. A phd does not mean that comments from such people are certainly correct. I am saying this from experienced people who have been in these fields and have seen the deceptions. I personally know and have been told by top lecturers at a renowned university that the graduates are simply not at a good level (and certainyl that is the case at other unis). Secondly, you will only get to know manipulation going on if you know people on the inside or if you are good freinds with them. Phd students do research from orthodox sources hence how will they got to know what kind of manipulation is going on?. I can say this because I myself witnessed this in Finance wherein graduates or even people who did phd's and teach at universities have no clue.
Fact is that we need to look at objective sources and ascertain the truth ourself. If a vaccine has not affected my kid than it does not mean that vaccines in general are safe. If people choose to use vaccines than it is their perogative but my advice is to avoid it.

Was Salaamu Alaikum.

[adampuri]

Yes, why not...
I have two childern and both have been vaccinated

[AmatullahxXx]

There's a real expert religiously inclined doc who says its unnecesary to vaccinate ur child.his got like 5 children all not vaccinated!he claims that ur child becomes cleverer without the vaccine...seems true..all his children are straight A students!!;-)

[adampuri]

There's a real expert religiously inclined doc who says its unnecesary to vaccinate ur child.his got like 5 children all not vaccinated!he claims that ur child becomes cleverer without the vaccine...seems true..all his children are straight A students!!;-)

there are billions of people in the world who are getting vaccination. Of which millions are very intelligents, so this is not a rule. How can u blame Vaccination if childern are not doing well in education or in other fields.

[KeepTheGazeDown]

there are billions of people in the world who are getting vaccination. Of which millions are very intelligents, so this is not a rule. How can u blame Vaccination if childern are not doing well in education or in other fields.

Honestly brother you have no clue as to the ingredients of these vaccines, perhaps you might say you know the ingredients, if you knew the ingredients you wouldnt make such foolish comments. You have not checked objective and correct staistics and you have no clue as to the owners of these pharmaceuticals. If you eat bad wat effect does it have?. If you have vaccine which in reality is hamrful what effect ddoes it have?. Commom sense yet common sense is not so common

[adampuri]

Honestly brother you have no clue as to the ingredients of these vaccines, perhaps you might say you know the ingredients, if you knew the ingredients you wouldnt make such foolish comments. You have not checked objective and correct staistics and you have no clue as to the owners of these pharmaceuticals. If you eat bad wat effect does it have?. If you have vaccine which in reality is hamrful what effect ddoes it have?. Commom sense yet common sense is not so common

not brother but sister plz
But dear we know nothing of tooo many things but we do consume them. It is usul e fiqh that every thing is halal untill it is proved otherwise. that is you don't need proof if something is halal or not but u do have to give proof if you claim something is haram. To my knowledge and belief no prominent mufti has fatawa against vaccination.

[KeepTheGazeDown]

not brother but sister plz
But dear we know nothing of tooo many things but we do consume them. It is usul e fiqh that every thing is halal untill it is proved otherwise. that is you don't need proof if something is halal or not but u do have to give proof if you claim something is haram. To my knowledge and belief no prominent mufti has fatawa against vaccination.

As Salaamu Alaikum

Sorry for saying brother.

Yes it has not been classed as haraam, however, the simple fact is that it is harmful and people should know about it. As I said earlier if your kids got vaccinated it does not mean the contents now are fine. The contents are bad and people who have worked in these industries and who have some conciousness left in their mind spoke out.

www.iamthewitness.com

Listen to the files of lorraine day and if you disagree ill give you more information.

[adampuri]

As Salaamu Alaikum

Sorry for saying brother.

Yes it has not been classed as haraam, however, the simple fact is that it is harmful and people should know about it. As I said earlier if your kids got vaccinated it does not mean the contents now are fine. The contents are bad and people who have worked in these industries and who have some conciousness left in their mind spoke out.

www.iamthewitness.com

Listen to the files of lorraine day and if you disagree ill give you more information.


Dear Brother
I really don't want any refrence, they may are telling lies. Just what i m saying is that there are hunderd million things, specialy medicines, that are harmful to many of us but at the same time these medicines save lives of billions of people. It may be possible that to some people vaccinations do nothing or may be harmful, but at the same time, the vaccination process have saved so many people from fatal disieses and saved billions of lives so it is better if we vaccinate our childern.

[KeepTheGazeDown]

Dear Brother
I really don't want any refrence, they may are telling lies. Just what i m saying is that there are hunderd million things, specialy medicines, that are harmful to many of us but at the same time these medicines save lives of billions of people. It may be possible that to some people vaccinations do nothing or may be harmful, but at the same time, the vaccination process have saved so many people from fatal disieses and saved billions of lives so it is better if we vaccinate our childern.

This is the actual point I am debating, there are limited independent staistics which show vaccines to be beneficial. The ones that say they are beneficial are the ones who also say some people might have genes which make them homophobic. Have a look at the statistics of spanish flu, how many people died before and after taking vaccines. I am not saying all medicines are bad but I am saying quite a few have side effects and if we can avoid them then we should. Secondly, vaccines have a very bad track record especially wherein a certain group supplied vaccines to a region in Africa and surprise surprise that is where aids shot up from.

[FAZZ]

Assalmoaluykum
Yes i have had my children vaccinated and ALL PRAISE TO ALLAH they are fine.
It is a decision one has to make as parents and whether good or bad happens they have to live with it.However one has to do research themselves and decide and not just go off something they have heard via via.
Vaccination is an issue which crops up throughout your whole life and its not just about child vaccinations.
For example when a person goes abroad they have recommended vaccinations
like hepatitis and typhoid, and ,some are MANDATORY such as ACWY when a person goes to Saudi for hajj or umrah.
A few years ago the ACWY was introduced and become mandatory because of a new strain of meningitis which was fatal.In 2000 there were 45 cases of meningicoccal infection due to W135 strain in the UK and 8 people died.Some had returned from Hajj but the infection also spread to people in the community who had not travelled.
Vaccination is controversial but on one hand you have the bad press with examples such as "autism" but on the other hand one has to remember that some of these diseases can bring harm not only to yourself but others around you if you are not vaccinated.

[SisterinDeenalHaq]

aslamo alaikum wr wb

Jazak Allah Khair brothers and sisters for all your input

and Jazak Allah Khair brother hyneln2000 for your post
I wholly agree with it


well any parents out there who have decided not to vacinate their children, and any problems for not doing so that you had to face...

Jazak ALlah Khair
Waslaam
Sister in Deen al Haq

[Umm Abdullah]

inshAllah I beleive that if some minute quantity or a mild disease can activate antibodies at such a small age then so can it at bigger age...
and some say that even haram is allowed for medicine....

but I beleive that how can animals have answers to our sicknesses...
Below is a link that might be helpful to you as you continue with your research on this topic....it contains a list of ingredients found in the [most] common vaccines given to young children, including chemicals/heavy metals and animal/human-derived ingredients:

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

:salam:

[dhameera]

There was a study going on in Michigan, in which there was actual links to Autism, ADD, and weak immune system among other things I can't remember.

They also said the vaccination had the viruses its supposed to prevent in them.

It was on every news station, they were broadcasting the negative effects of getting one's child vaccinated.

But even before this I was defo against vaccination.

I'm seriously who has polio?

[SisterinDeenalHaq]

:bism:
:salam:
:jazak: Sister Umm Abdullah for that link, I have come across it some time before...but shukren that you provided the link

:ws:
Sister in Deen al HAq

[seven]

the reseach for immunisations/vaccines is flawed.

we are always told or shown a graph which suggests that since the introduction of vaccines, there has been a huge reduction in deaths due to certain diseases.

however, what we are not shown is the graph prior to vaccines being introduced which shows that there was already a decline of these deaths.

another problem is that doctors have this predisposition that vaccines are completely safe. so if a child is vaccinated and thereafter becomes ill, they will completely dismiss vaccination being a likely cause due to their predisposition.

anyway, I have a two year old girl who has never been vaccinated, Alhamdulillah she is very healthy and quite advanced for an average 2 year old.

She only had a common cold/ flu a couple of times and each time she has recoved very quickly alhamdulillah.

in my opinion, i believe the best form of 'immunisation' is breastfeeding the child for as long as possible (my girl was breastfed for about 19 months) and have a healthy balanced diet (lots of fruit and veg).

having a positive healthy happy social environment also helps.

[seven]

lots of info against vaccination: http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

[ze leetle elper]

Here are also some other points which helped us make an informed decision regarding vacciation when we had our daughter:

1. we believe in the principle that natural methods are best.
2. most viruses are introduced into the body via the mouth and nose. vaccination introduces the virus directly into the blood stream and therefore bypasses several key triggers to alert the body of a virus.
3. there are natural methods of strengthening a childs immune instead of using vaccinations. (e.g. homeopathy)
4. there has been no study of the long term effects of vaccinations.
5. a lot of the research into vaccinations/immunisation is flawed. (e.g statistics used from countries/eras of poor hygeine and nutrition)
6. a lot of research is funded by money making/capitalist drug companies... so obviously they have their own agenda.
7. doctors get a lot of incentives by drug companies the more drugs they prescribe (sell).

This is not an anti-medical/ vaccination rant lol :D of course there may be situations and circumstances which require you/ your child to be vaccinate against something, but the point being made here is the general *norm* and routine for every single child, regardless of their disposition and circumstance, in the vaccination process.

Here is a thread you may find interesting :)

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133051&highlight=vaccinations

[SisterinDeenalHaq]

:salam:
JazakAllah Khair 2 every1 who is participating with their opinion

ze little elper, ur point #2 never came to my mind, Jazak Allah Khair 4 ur input...I never thought of it that wa...but yeh to me that's a pretty strong point too...

so how old is ur daughter, and if u don't mind, may I ask where u r, and if it aused u any prob in society 4 not having ur daughter immunized??

so Alhumdulillah there r parents out there, who have done similarly as I have...

Jazak ALlah Khair to those parents...for coming out and sharing ur opinion...as there r very few
every parent makes informed decision for their child/ren ...so no offence to n e other parents ....b/c i also do have friends who think opposite of what i do, so I respect their opinion too..
n e way
fe amanillahi kareem
Sister in Deen al Haq

[ze leetle elper]

Mashaallah she is now 2 years old (the user seven is my husband lol..see the post above mine :p ). We are based in London, immunisation is not mandatory in the UK for every child, unlike the USA for example, where it is part of the law I think?

The main obstacles I think we have faced were just with midwifes/ doctors insisting and pressuring (in the beginning) to have her immunised. They tend to use very scary language which is quite horrific to a new parent with a tiny baby. Things like 'if you don't give your child this vaccine they will die/ if they fall ill you are to blame/ you are eglecting your child by not doing so, and so on. I guess once you make a choice either way, be strong about it and about what you believe to be right, because there are many people who will try to say or force you otherwise! I even had one consultant dare to mention social services to me because I didn't agree with what she said, of course this behaviour is not acceptable, but most parents don't bother complaining so there are professionals who get away with using this type of language towards parents! (yes we did complain about her!)

Other difficult situations you may face would prolly be with family and friends? Especially if they don't understand your reasons for chosing not to vaccinate, sometimes you get an earful about it everytime the issue arises lol...just be diplomatic I guess, apprciate the advice they are giving but that they should accept this is the decision you have made and respect that?

[seven]

you forgot grandparents!!

[SisterinDeenalHaq]

:salam:
Sister Z.L.H. Jazak Allah Khair for ur reply...

my baby's 9 mo now alhumdulillah, I didn't face n e discrimination so far Alhumdulillah
I m based in canada, and I plan to send my baby inshAllah Khair to Islamic school, So I don't if there r n e requirements of Immunization for that, but i knwo there r for public...
but yeh in canada it's also a law..that you must...and your really know out of place if u plan to...
In my family ppl think I am really strange, and I get alot of attitude for not vaccinating,, but inshALlah this decision is for the best of my child and ALhumdulillah only the parent of the child can make those decision...
both ways, if you choose to vaccinat/not parents with both state of mind are thinking for the protection of the baby...

[SisterinDeenalHaq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvQvz5uPPZk

[Ninjabi]

Salaams,

check out the link below.

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm

wassalam