What is Char Yaar ???

[Yasir786]

Asalam O Alikum,

While reading a thread few days ago I had seen something written like Haq Char Yaar or whatever.. Can someone tell me what is that.. Jazak Allah Karim

Asalm O Alikum

[Indian_Muslim]

Yasir bhai....Salaam Aleikum...


There are many different meanings of Chaar Yaar -


1. Hazraat Salman , AbuZar , Ammar and Bilal (ra)

2. The 4 Sunni Imams (ra).

3. Hazraat Abu Bakr , Umar , Usman and Ali (ra) , i.e the 4 pious Caliphs.

4. Hazraat Muhammad-e-Mustafa(saw) , Hazraat Ali, Hassan and Hussain.

5. Hazraat Maulana Gangohi , Nanotwi , Madani and Thanvi. ( the Akabir-e-Deoband)


So , you see , there are 5 different meanings of "Chaar Yaar". It depends on whom you choose. I choose all of them. All of them were pious Muslims.

[Yasir786]

Yasir bhai....Salaam Aleikum...


There are many different meanings of Chaar Yaar -


1. Hazraat Salman , AbuZar , Ammar and Bilal (ra)

2. The 4 Sunni Imams (ra).

3. Hazraat Abu Bakr , Umar , Usman and Ali (ra) , i.e the 4 pious Caliphs.

4. Hazraat Muhammad-e-Mustafa(saw) , Hazraat Ali, Hassan and Hussain.

5. Hazraat Maulana Gangohi , Nanotwi , Madani and Thanvi. ( the Akabir-e-Deoband)


So , you see , there are 5 different meanings of "Chaar Yaar". It depends on whom you choose. I choose all of them. All of them were pious Muslims.

Walikum Salam,
Then why not we go for easy... If it is not apart of Quran means does not has one meaning or as per your post if it has 5 meanings then.. This means nothing mentioned about this in Quran... & It is dropped by Muslims later on... So why they says or write logically things...

However respect is never with written statements it is always in heart & mind... So I do belive that every single Muslim... Should Love all of them as well as... Allah , Angels, Prophets.. Jazak Allah Kahir

Asalam O Alikum

[Yasir786]

Asalam O Alikum,
One more thing

Chaar means Four in Urdu & Punjabi Counting...
Yaar means Friend or Fellow in Urdu & Punjabi Counting...

So this is the product of Sub continental & they derived this for their meanings...

Asalam O Alikum

[abuhajira]

Asalam O Alikum,
One more thing

Chaar means Four in Urdu & Punjabi Counting...
Yaar means Friend or Fellow in Urdu & Punjabi Counting...

So this is the product of Sub continental & the derived this for their meanings...

Asalam O Alikum

:salam:

yes the origin is of indo sub continent.. the full phrase is "haq char yar" which i think in its inception was rivaling the shia counter part "panj tan" refering to ahlul bait.

:ws:

[samreen_pearl]

Asalam O Alikum,

While reading a thread few days ago I had seen something written like Haq Char Yaar or whatever.. Can someone tell me what is that.. Jazak Allah Karim

Asalm O Alikum

Char yaar referes to first four Caliphs:
Hazrat Abubakar Siddiq (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Umar Farooq (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Usman Ghani (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Ali (Karramallahu Wajhahul Karim)

[not known]

:salam:

ok! our brother might have seen the signature of Khanbaba :)

and this is that link http://www.kr-hcy.com/haqcharyaar/index.shtml

[Yasir786]

:salam:

yes the origin is of indo sub continent.. the full phrase is "haq char yar" which i think in its inception was rivaling the shia counter part "panj tan" refering to ahlul bait.

:ws:

Walikum Salam,
Jazak Allah Brother.. May live long.. Ameen

Thats the point that this is created in sub continent... Mixed with others & there is not any concept of these issues in Islam...

Asalam O Alikum

[Yasir786]

Char yaar referes to first four Caliphs:
Hazrat Abubakar Siddiq (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Umar Farooq (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Usman Ghani (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Ali (Karramallahu Wajhahul Karim)

Asalam O Alikum,
Sister, You must have to read Indian Muslim post little bit up there.. He explained about 5 meanings...

However I do know they use this what u written which is also mentioned by younger Brother Indian Muslim....

But Its made here in Sub Continent as I told earlier... Instead or saying Char Yaar we can better say... "Khulaf-e-Rashdeen".... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum

[Yasir786]

:salam:

ok! our brother might have seen the signature of Khanbaba :)

and this is that link http://www.kr-hcy.com/haqcharyaar/index.shtml

Walikum Salam,
I guess you are right... Alhamdulillah after clicking on that link it says to me "This Site is Restricted".... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum

[not known]

Walikum Salam,
I guess you are right... Alhamdulillah after clicking on that link it says to me "This Site is Restricted".... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum

:salam:

this is the page

Haq Char Yaar (RadhiALLAHu Anhum)


"Muhammad is a Messenger of ALLAH, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers and merciful among themselves, thou seest them bowing, prostrating, seeking bounty and pleasure of ALLAH, their mark is on their faces, being the trace of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel, as a seed that puts forth its shoot, then strengthens it, then it becomes stout, then it rises straight on its stalk, pleasing the sowers that, through them, He may enrage the unbelievers, ALLAH promises those, who believe and who, out of them, do righteous deeds, forgiveness and a big wage." ( 29 : 48 ) Al-Quran.




Haq Char Yaar (RadhiALLAHu Anhum) are the four rightly guided Caliphs (Khalifas).

1. Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (RadhiALLAHu Anhum)

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2. Hazrat Umar-e-Farooq (RadhiALLAHu Anhum)

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3. Hazrat Usman-e-Ghani (RadhiALLAHu Anhum)

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4. Hazrat Ali-ul-Murtaza (RadhiALLAHu Anhum)

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Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaho Alyhi Wa'alihi Wasallam) : My Companions are like the stars, whom you may follow, will get the right path. (Mishkawt)

Note: Companions (RadhiALLAHu Anhum) of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaho Alyhi Wa'alihi Wasallam) popularly known as Sahabah (RadhiALLAHu Anhum), are the part of our faith of Islam. Minor to minor negligence or misbehavior in their name and acts (Sunnah), may cause a Muslim to suffer the words of Kafir.

[Sohaib]

Asalam O Alikum,
Sister, You must have to read Indian Muslim post little bit up there.. He explained about 5 meanings...

However I do know they use this what u written which is also mentioned by younger Brother Indian Muslim....

But Its made here in Sub Continent as I told earlier... Instead or saying Char Yaar we can better say... "Khulaf-e-Rashdeen".... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum

:salam:

Brother there is nothing wrong to say Chay Yar. It is not against the Quran and Sunnah anyway.

Can you show me the word 'namaz' (sub-continent word) from Quran and Sunnah.

What Indian_Muslim referred towards, never heard before. Following is the true meaning of CHar Yar.



Originally Posted by samreen_pearl View Post
Char yaar referes to first four Caliphs:
Hazrat Abubakar Siddiq (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Umar Farooq (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Usman Ghani (Radi Allaho Anhu)
Hazrat Ali (Karramallahu Wajhahul Karim)

[Yasir786]

:salam:

Brother there is nothing wrong to say Chay Yar. It is not against the Quran and Sunnah anyway.

Can you show me the word 'namaz' (sub-continent word) from Quran and Sunnah.

What Indian_Muslim referred towards, never heard before. Following is the true meaning of CHar Yar.

Walikum Salam,
Brother According to Saying of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) muslims are brothers to each other... So they (RA) can be Brothers... But I m not agree with Char Yaar...

However every single Muslim here in Asis know it very well what is meant byu Namaz.... But no one knows what is Char Yaar... Jazak Allah Karim

Asalam O Alikum

[abuhajira]

Walikum Salam,
But no one knows what is Char Yaar... Jazak Allah Karim

Asalam O Alikum

:salam:

isnt that a bit of generalization.. when the term is primarily used in Subcontinental Asia.. that itself means that atleast someone there knows..

:ws:

[Yasir786]

:salam:

isnt that a bit of generalization.. when the term is primarily used in Subcontinental Asia.. that itself means that atleast someone there knows..

:ws:

Walikum Salam,

Any way we can make more things & words like that... I think we should just keep on Quran & Haith... Not any more additional things or words...

Asalam O Alikum

[not known]

Walikum Salam,

Any way we can make more things & words like that... I think we should just keep on Quran & Haith... Not any more additional things or words...

Asalam O Alikum

:salam:

hehehe why did u do masters in computer sciences, where did u find it in quran and hadith :confused:

[Sohaib]

Walikum Salam,

Any way we can make more things & words like that... I think we should just keep on Quran & Haith... Not any more additional things or words...

Asalam O Alikum

:salam:

Brother You exaggeratedly saying the words we should just keep on Quran & Hadith Even Ghair Muqallad don't use it excessively. Its better you say we should just keep on Fiqah. And it will make sense.

No Offense.

:ws:

[Yasir786]

:salam:

hehehe why did u do masters in computer sciences, where did u find it in quran and hadith :confused:

Walikum Salam.

Hehehehe Very Funny... Brother
There are so many Haith full of them which tells "Getting Education is Compulsory for Every Muslims"
But on the other hand making something new in Dinn (islam) is Bidaats... Which is Haram...

& I would not give any comment which will hurt you... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum

[Yasir786]

:salam:

Brother You exaggeratedly saying the words we should just keep on Quran & Hadith Even Ghair Muqallad don't use it excessively. Its better you say we should just keep on Fiqah. And it will make sense.

No Offense.

:ws:

Walikum Salam,
Thanks...

Asalam O Alikum.

[Yasir786]

Asalam O Alikum,

I was searching a new site for forums I found this site... but when I came here I found this site is actually of those people who Love Graves.... May Allah guide us towards right path...

Asalam O Alikum.

[abuhajira]

Walikum Salam.

But on the other hand making something new in Dinn (islam) is Bidaats... Which is Haram...
Asalam O Alikum

:salam: no one here has made 786(from other thread) and Char Yar (here) a part of Din (Islam).. so ALL these posts about bidats do not apply..

:ws:

[abuhajira]

Asalam O Alikum,

I was searching a new site for forums I found this site... but when I came here I found this site is actually of those people who Love Graves.... May Allah guide us towards right path...

Asalam O Alikum.

:salam:
any reason for saying that?

If I say I love Roza e Aqdas.. does it mean I love the gravel and grave there or does it mean I love the Sahib e Roza?

Who here gave merrit to graves that you made such a comment? Our Akabirs went at lengths at educating people about the mennace of grave worshiping, Alhamdulillah

:ws:

[not known]

There are so many Haith full of them which tells "Getting Education is Compulsory for Every Muslims"


:salam:

yes, its compulsary but which one ?

its deen or duniya

if its duniya then do u thing a person who deosnt know anything about islam and has done masters in some subject will be forgiven, bcoz he has completed one compulsary thing

[Sohaib]

Asalam O Alikum,

I was searching a new site for forums I found this site... but when I came here I found this site is actually of those people who Love Graves.... May Allah guide us towards right path...

Asalam O Alikum.

:salam:

Brother you mean to say grave worshiper, No way brother. Scholars of this forum are against the grave worshiping.

Anyway Brother I apologize If any of my post offended you.

:ws:

[Yasir786]

:salam: no one here has made 786(from other thread) and Char Yar (here) a part of Din (Islam).. so ALL these posts about bidats do not apply..

:ws:

Walikum Salam,
Writing about right & wrong.... Clearing the point is not issue...

Asalam O Alikum.

[Yasir786]

:salam:
any reason for saying that?

If I say I love Roza e Aqdas.. does it mean I love the gravel and grave there or does it mean I love the Sahib e Roza?

Who here gave merrit to graves that you made such a comment? Our Akabirs went at lengths at educating people about the mennace of grave worshiping, Alhamdulillah

:ws:

Walikum Salam,

No I just read some other treads where I didnt given comments or revered my comments...

Asalam O Alikum.

[Indian_Muslim]

Brother Yasir , Assalaam Aleikum,

You are right....anything in Islam which was invented after Rasool Allah(saw) is a BIDAAT. For example , in the Qur'an in Surah Noor , it is said that adultereres and fornicators should be flogged with a 100 stripes....it is never said in Qur'an to kill them....if they survive a 100 lashes they are free.

But in Fiqah , we see that they are put to death by stoning , that too by burying them chest-dep and then throwing stones and everybody watching. This is Bidaat , becoz Allah Ta'ala has said in the Qur'an that adulterers should only be flogged , not stoned.

Is there any one here on this forum who can prove otherise ?? I am open to a worthwile discussion.

Also , in Urdu , we have a number of new words -

Namaaz , Roza , Sadaqaat , Qurbani , Milad , Ramzaan , etc. Also , changing "dh" to "z".


And it has been proved that Hazraat AbuZar Ghaffari , Ammar bin Yasir , Salman-e-Farsi and Bilal-e-Habshi can together be called " Chaar Yaar " because they were good friends of each other....we have clear evidences how they loved each other and were always at each other's sides.

[abuhajira]

Brother Yasir , Assalaam Aleikum,

You are right....anything in Islam which was invented after Rasool Allah(saw) is a BIDAAT. For example , in the Qur'an in Surah Noor , it is said that adultereres and fornicators should be flogged with a 100 stripes....it is never said in Qur'an to kill them....if they survive a 100 lashes they are free.

But in Fiqah , we see that they are put to death by stoning , that too by burying them chest-dep and then throwing stones and everybody watching. This is Bidaat , becoz Allah Ta'ala has said in the Qur'an that adulterers should only be flogged , not stoned.

Is there any one here on this forum who can prove otherise ?? I am open to a worthwile discussion.

:salam:

Basically there is no discussion in regards to rajm (stoning)

If you do a slight search on rajm you will indeed come across the incidents where rajm was carried out by the sahaba themselves along with Rasulullah :saw:.. Thus rajm cannot be an innovation.

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Also , in Urdu , we have a number of new words -

Namaaz , Roza , Sadaqaat , Qurbani , Milad , Ramzaan , etc. Also , changing "dh" to "z".


Language works on Urf. Many of These terms are not fixed from side of sharia.

Namaaz is a persian word and its itlaaq on Salaah is permissible. Just like one can call dua' as suplication. The verb of salla yusalli was there even in Jahiliyah, so it is nothing stipulated. Same is the case with others.

Sadaqaat is an arabic word, Sadaqah.
Qurbani is also a derivation from the arabic word Al-Qurbaanun which mean any that thing which is a means of gaining closeness to Allah.
Milad is also arabic word. walada yaulido.. It is a Zarf of this verb which could be mawladun or meeladun.
Ramzaan (an example of changing dh to z) is incorrect since the alphabet does not change in urdu.. its the pronunciation which is z in urdu thus a bad example..

Even so, should the forms of words change for urdu.. it wont make a difference since the whole language urdu is a bidaat according to your definition of "anything in Islam which was invented after Rasool Allah(saw) is a BIDAAT." So if that is the case.. then what difference will it make if a few words within it are different.


And it has been proved that Hazraat AbuZar Ghaffari , Ammar bin Yasir , Salman-e-Farsi and Bilal-e-Habshi can together be called " Chaar Yaar " because they were good friends of each other....we have clear evidences how they loved each other and were always at each other's sides.

The words are taken upon their urf of the language. In the urf of the word the general udnerstanding of the Ahl Lisaan is that it refers to khulafa radhideen. any other explanation will not be acceptable for the purpose of substantiation rather only a linguistic means of showing that gher urd could in its remote sense occur.. but not as a generality.

:ws:

P.S I am by no means trying to argue in these threads.. rather correcting anything which I feel is being explaned incorrectly..

[Sohaib]

P.S I am by no means trying to argue in these threads.. rather correcting anything which I feel is being explaned incorrectly..


:salam:

Jazakallahu Khair. Keep correcting. At least there is any mode who is doing a wonderful job.

:ws:

[abulayl]

Brother Yasir , Assalaam Aleikum,

You are right....anything in Islam which was invented after Rasool Allah(saw) is a BIDAAT. For example , in the Qur'an in Surah Noor , it is said that adultereres and fornicators should be flogged with a 100 stripes....it is never said in Qur'an to kill them....if they survive a 100 lashes they are free.

But in Fiqah , we see that they are put to death by stoning , that too by burying them chest-dep and then throwing stones and everybody watching. This is Bidaat , becoz Allah Ta'ala has said in the Qur'an that adulterers should only be flogged , not stoned.



Assalamualaikum, brother Indian muslim, i beg you not to speak without knowing islam totally. you have not been even muslim for 3-4 month u start to critisize fiqh. You dont even not know quran totally.

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stoned Maa’iz, the Juhani woman, the Ghaamidi woman, and the two Jews. All of that is proven in saheeh ahaadeeth narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The scholars among the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them), the Taabi’een and those who came after them are also unanimously agreed on that. No one differed from them apart from those to whose views no attention is to be paid. Al-Bukhaari and Muslim narrated in their Saheehs from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the truth and revealed to him the Book, and one of the things that Allaah revealed was the verse of stoning. We have read it and understood it. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stoned (adulterers) and we stoned (them) after him, but I fear that there may come a time when some people say: ‘By Allaah, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of Allaah.’ So they will go astray by forsaking an obligation that Allaah has revealed. According to the Book of Allaah, stoning is deserved by the one who commits zina, if he is married, men and women alike, if proof is established or the woman becomes pregnant or they confess…”

[abulayl]

^

Please , I ask my Muslim brothers to be patient with me. I am new to Islam , I have been Muslim for only 2 months. I still cannot read Urdu or Arabic. If anywhere I have been disrespectful , I deeply apologize.


Thats why i tell you brother first to study Islam and claim nothing. without learning Islam dont come with Bidah gun and start to shoot everyone by calling this bidah and that bidah.

[Yasir786]

Thats why i tell you brother first to study Islam and claim nothing. without learning Islam dont come with Bidah gun and start to shoot everyone by calling this bidah and that bidah.

Asalam O Alikum,
Well if one brother is not agree with other then it does not means we try to let down other.... You can alear or sort out the things in good manners... Jazak Allah

But please we must have freedom to speak so if where is any thing wrong or problem it will help us...

Asalam O Alikum...