Dr. Zakir Naik denying Wasila of Prophet(Peace be upon him)

[HarunI]

Assalamu Alaikum,

Here is an excerpt from Dr.Zakir Naik's interview on ARY.
In which he says that Awliya and Prophets are dead (Naudhbillah) and
goes on to deny Wasila of Prophet Mohammed(Peace be upon him) .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6633947166789366390&hl=en

[squier]

Yes, thats what ahle hadith believe. No surprise.

[abulayl]

Does deniying tawassul makes a person kafir or fasiq? Is it part of Iman?

[sky_blue]

Assalamu Alaikum,

Here is an excerpt from Dr.Zakir Naik's interview on ARY.
In which he says that Awliya and Prophets are dead (Naudhbillah) and
goes on to deny Wasila of Prophet Mohammed(Peace be upon him) .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6633947166789366390&hl=en

AssalamoAlikum

Aren't they dead???

And I think Tawasl is not part of Iman (correct me plz if I am wrong)

Wassalam

[HarunI]

The intercession of the Prophet in his lifetime is explicitly and frequently established:

- 3:159: "Pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult with them upon the conduct of affairs."

- 4:64: "And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah forgiving, merciful."

- 4:106-107: "And ask forgiveness of Allah (for others). Allah is ever forgiving, merciful. And plead not on behalf of those who deceive themselves."

- 8:33: "But Allah would not punish them while thou wast with them, nor will He punish them while they seek forgiveness."

- 9:80, 84: "Ask forgiveness for them (the hypocrites) or ask not forgiveness for them; though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive them... And never pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave."

- 9:103: "Pray for them. Lo! thy prayer is an assuagement for them."

- 9:113: "It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire."

- 24:62: "If they ask thy leave for some affair of theirs, give leave to whom thou wilt of them, and ask for them forgiveness of Allah."

- 47:19: "Know that there is no god save Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy sin and for believing men and believing women."

- 60:12: "Accept their [believing women's] allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them."

- 63:5-6: "And when it is said unto them: Come! The Messenger of Allah will ask forgiveness for you! they [the hypocrites] avert their faces and thou seest them turning away, disdainful. Whether thou ask forgiveness for them or ask not forgiveness for them, Allah will not forgive them."

[HarunI]

Imam Malik was asked the following question by the Caliph Abu Ja`far al-Mansur: "Shall I face the Qibla with my back towards the grave of the Messenger of Allah when making du`a (after salams)?" He replied:

How could you turn your face away from him when he is the means (wasila) of your and your father Adam's forgiveness to Allah on the Day of Resurrection? Nay, face him and ask for his intercession (istashfi` bihi) so that Allah will grant it to you as He said: "If they had only, when they were wronging themselves, come unto thee and asked Allah's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful (4:64)."

It is cited by al-Qadi `Iyad in al-Shifa (2:92-93) with a sound (sahih) chain, and also cited by Samhudi in Khulasat al-Wafa, Subki in Shifa' al-siqam, Qastallani in al-Mawahib al-laduniyya, Ibn Jama`a in Hidayat al-salik, and Haytami in al-Jawhar al-munazzam and Tuhfat al-zuwwar. See also Ibn `Abd al-Hadi in al-Sarim al-munki p. 244. Ibn Jama`a says in Hidayat al-salik (3:1381): "It is related by the two hafiz Ibn Bashkuwal and al-Qadi `Iyad in al-Shifa' after him, and no attention is paid to the words of those who claim that it is forged purely on the basis of his idle desires."

The words "he is the means (wasila) of your and your father Adam's forgiveness to Allah" are confirmed by the verses whereby the Prophet is witness over all communities and people including their Prophets (2:143, 3:81, 4:41, 33:7), as well as the sound hadith of his intercession over all Prophets on behalf of all believers in Sahih al-Bukhari (Kitab al-tawhid). Furthermore, it is also established from the verse "And Adam received words from his Lord and He relented towards him" (2:37) that Adam has been forgiven.

Imam Ahmad made tawassul through the Prophet a part of every du`a according to the following report: `Ala' al-Din al-Mardawi said in his book al-Insaf fi ma`rifat al-rajih min al-khilaf `ala madhhab al-Imam al-mubajjal Ahmad ibn Hanbal (3:456):

The correct position of the [Hanbali] madhhab is that it is permissible in one's supplication (du`a) to use as one's means a pious person, and it is said that it is desirable (mustahabb). Imam Ahmad said to Abu Bakr al-Marwazi: yatawassalu bi al-nabi fi du`a'ih -- "Let him use the Prophet as a means in his supplication to Allah."

The same report is found in Imam Ahmad's Manasik as narrated by his student Abu Bakr al-Marwazi.

Similarly the lengthy wording of the tawassul according to the Hanbali madhhab as established by the hafiz Ibn `Aqil in his Tadhkira was cited fully by Imam Kawthari in his appendix to Shaykh al-Islam Taqi al-Din al-Subki's al-Sayf al-saqil included in Kawthari's edition of the latter.

[HarunI]

THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SALLAL LAAHU ALAIHI WASALLAM) IS ALIVE

Some people do not accept the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) to be alive. They say that he is dead and mixed with the soil. Allah forbid! The Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'at believes that the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is "Hayaatun Nabi", that is, he is alive both physically and spiritually.

Regarding the Martyrs (Shuhada), those who are slain in the path of Allah, Allah Ta'ala says in the Holy Quran: "And say not those who have been slain in the path of Allah to be dead for they are alive and you do not know." (Part 2, Ruku 3) Since it is evident from the Holy Quran that the Martyrs are alive, then it follows that the Ambiya (alaihimus salaam), whose status are much greater than that of the Martyrs, are also alive. (Fathul Baari Sharah Bukhari)

Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "And say not of those who are slain in the Way of Allah 'They are dead'. Nay, they are living, though you perceive it not". (al-Baqarah: 154) "Think not of those who are slain in Allah's Way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the Presence of their Lord". (al-Ale' Imraan: 169) The above two Ayahs were revealed after the Battle of Badr. The Ashaabs (radi Allahu anhum) used to feel sorry for those who lost their lives in the battle, and used to say: "Alas, so and so has lost his life and has missed the pleasures of this world!" Allah Ta'ala revealed these Ayahs clarifying that the Shuhada (Martyrs) are not "dead" but are transferred from one place to another where they live and are fed by the Bounteous Lord who is not deficient of anything. If the Shuhada are not "dead", how can we say that the greatest Apostle, Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), is no more amongst us?

Referring to the Messengers, Allah Ta?ala says in the Holy Quran: "And ask those of our Mesengers, whom we sent before you, 'Did We appoint any other god except the All-Affectionate, to be worshipped'?" (Part 25, Ruku 10) This verse proves that the Ambiya (alaihimus salaam) are alive because Allah Ta?ala commands us to ask the Messengers about all matters. If they had passed away and mixed with the soil, surely, we would not have been commanded to ask them about anything. (Tafseer Dur Manthur; Tafseer Roohul Muaani)

Another proof supporting that the Ambiya are alive is that on the night of Me'raj, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) passed by Sayyiduna Moosa (alaihis salaam). He saw him in his grave standing and reading his Salaah.

The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said, "Recite Durood upon me in abundance on a Friday since it is a respected day. On that day the Angels are present and whosoever sends Durood upon me on that day, then his Durood is placed before me till the time when they have completed sending Durood and Salaam". (Sayyiduna Abu Dardah radi Allahu anhu says), "I asked, 'Huzoor! Will you even hear (the Salaam) after your demise?'" The Prophet (sallal laahu alaii wasallam) said, "Verily Almighty Allah has made it Haraam upon the earth to devour the bodies of the Ambiya (alaihimus salaam). Thus, all the Nabis of Allah are alive and they are given sustenance." (Ibn Majah; Jame Sahgeer; Mishkaat Shareef) We learn from this Hadith Shareef that the Ambiya (alaihimus salaam) are alive and they have only been hidden from us. We cannot understand their position, like those of the Angels that they are alive and present but we cannot obtain (see) them. Yes! Those whom Allah has blessed, they can even see them. This has been confirmed that the Ambiya (alaihimus salaam) are alive. (Umdatul Qaari Shara Bukhari)

Sayyiduna Sheikh Abdul Haq Muhadith Delhwi (alaihir rahmah) wrote: "There is no death for the Ambiya (alaihimus salaam). They are alive and existing. For them is that one death that has come only once. After this, their souls are put back into their bodies and the life that they had on earth is given back to them." (Takmeelul Imaan)

The greatest proof concerning the Ambiya (alaihimus salaam) being alive is that they make Ibaadah in their graves. They perform their Salaah and they are well provided with food and drink. Like the Angels who are alive, but do not eat and drink. (Mirkaat Shar Mishkaat)

Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "And how would you deny faith while unto you are rehearsed the Signs of Allah and among you lives the Prophet". (Sura al- ale'Imraan: 101) This is a typical Ayah proving Hayat-un-Nabi - "among you lives the Prophet". The word "lives" has cleared all doubts. "Among you" has been generalised, meaning with every individual, wherever he or she may be regardless of time. Man's vision and power of hearing is restricted, but it is not so in the case of Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). His powers are far beyond imagination. If somebody says, "Where is the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)? I cannot see him! Why must I stand and read Salaam?" Surely, this statement is absurd because none of us has seen Allah Ta'ala and the Angels. Kiraaman Katibeen are two Angels constantly present with every individual. Can we deny their existence merely because we did not see them?

[Abd'Al-Muqtadir]

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I was very confused about this topic as well, so Jazak Allah Khair for giving me the refernces and information above :) There are so many Ahle Hadith groups out there, it can be so sad, many new muslims are going to this devaited group, May Allah help, and guide these people, Ameen.

:ws:

[MohammadMufti]

You are ridiculous. May Allah (swt) expose the liars and those who slander Muslims, being the filth that they themselves are. Ameen.


In which he says that Awliya and Prophets are dead (Naudhbillah) and
goes on to deny Wasila of Prophet Mohammed(Peace be upon him) .

(1) He says that they (saw) are dead. There is no problem in this, it's a difference of position from the same sources.

(2) This is a filthy lie, he is saying not to ask Rasulallah (saw) himself right now (because Rasul -saw- is dead right now, according to him). As for wasilah of Rasulallah (saw), i.e. his eventual wasilah which is part of our aqaid, he never denies it in the entire video. In fact, he confirms it and says that it is for the akhira (to ask Rasul (saw) for this wasila directly) - and this is the case of the ahadith (where one by one the anbiya (as) will be approached). As for asking Rasul's (saw) wasila here after he is dead (if you consider him dead), than obviously you can't take it as legitimate (if you say he's dead) and only way to ask for it is to ask Allah (swt) for it.

(3) He doesn't deny wasila itself. May Allah (swt) expose and humiliate the liars. He is saying that one shouldn't make wasila through the dead because the dead can't hear. As for making wasilah itself, even in your ripped-out-of-context video, at about 1:09, Zakir Naik saheb says "unsey direct BHE mangna chaye". So he (a) acknowledges the permissibility of asking from others (i.e as you say awliya) as the Sahaba (ra) asked Ibne Abbas (ra) after the Prophet (saw) to make du'a but (b) rejects notion of asking the dead and (c) says that asking through others should be coupled with asking done by oneself. Where is the problem in this??

[TripolySunni]

Abu Bakr Says to You People and Refers to the Quran:

“To proceed, if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die! Allah said: ‘Muhammad is no more than an Apostle, and indeed (many) apostles have passed away before him…(till the end of the Verse)…Allah will reward those who are thankful.’ (Quran, 3:144)”

WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY THAT MOHAMMAD IS ALIVE: is that his Sunnah and his way of Life still guides us today and if we have any questions we should refer to the Quran and His Sunnah BUT it does not say that he litterally is ALIVE and when Allah said that the Moujahedeen are Alive he did not mean it litterally as well.

[bugmenot]

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/alive.htm

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[Colonel_Hardstone]

You are ridiculous. May Allah (swt) expose the liars and those who slander Muslims, being the filth that they themselves are. Ameen.



(1) He says that they (saw) are dead. There is no problem in this, it's a difference of position from the same sources.

(2) This is a filthy lie, he is saying not to ask Rasulallah (saw) himself right now (because Rasul -saw- is dead right now, according to him). As for wasilah of Rasulallah (saw), i.e. his eventual wasilah which is part of our aqaid, he never denies it in the entire video. In fact, he confirms it and says that it is for the akhira (to ask Rasul (saw) for this wasila directly) - and this is the case of the ahadith (where one by one the anbiya (as) will be approached). As for asking Rasul's (saw) wasila here after he is dead (if you consider him dead), than obviously you can't take it as legitimate (if you say he's dead) and only way to ask for it is to ask Allah (swt) for it.

(3) He doesn't deny wasila itself. May Allah (swt) expose and humiliate the liars. He is saying that one shouldn't make wasila through the dead because the dead can't hear. As for making wasilah itself, even in your ripped-out-of-context video, at about 1:09, Zakir Naik saheb says "unsey direct BHE mangna chaye". So he (a) acknowledges the permissibility of asking from others (i.e as you say awliya) as the Sahaba (ra) asked Ibne Abbas (ra) after the Prophet (saw) to make du'a but (b) rejects notion of asking the dead and (c) says that asking through others should be coupled with asking done by oneself. Where is the problem in this??


Abu Bakr Says to You People and Refers to the Quran:

“To proceed, if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die! Allah said: ‘Muhammad is no more than an Apostle, and indeed (many) apostles have passed away before him…(till the end of the Verse)…Allah will reward those who are thankful.’ (Quran, 3:144)”

WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY THAT MOHAMMAD IS ALIVE: is that his Sunnah and his way of Life still guides us today and if we have any questions we should refer to the Quran and His Sunnah BUT it does not say that he litterally is ALIVE and when Allah said that the Moujahedeen are Alive he did not mean it litterally as well.

Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

It is is the beleif of ENTIRE AHLUS-SUNNAH WAL JAMAAH that Prophet (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) is alive in his grave and nobody thinks that he is dead, the only difference is:

a) Some say that he is alive in the sense of Barzakh

b) Some say that he is alive in the real sense

We believe in (a) and there are numerous threads about this matter and search can be used.

Found this in the Tafseer of Imam Qurtubi (RA), interesting stuff:

http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?nType=1&bm=&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=4&nAya=64&taf=KORTOBY&tashkeel=0


وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذْ ظَلَمُوا أَنْفُسَهُمْ جَاءُوكَ فَاسْتَغْفَرُوا اللَّهَ وَاسْتَغْفَرَ لَهُمُ الرَّسُولُ

رَوَى أَبُو صَادِق عَنْ عَلِيّ قَالَ : قَدِمَ عَلَيْنَا أَعْرَابِيّ بَعْدَمَا دَفَنَّا رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِثَلَاثَةِ أَيَّام , فَرَمَى بِنَفْسِهِ عَلَى قَبْر رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَحَثَا عَلَى رَأْسه مِنْ تُرَابه ; فَقَالَ : قُلْت يَا رَسُول اللَّه فَسَمِعْنَا قَوْلَك , وَوَعَيْت عَنْ اللَّه فَوَعَيْنَا عَنْك , وَكَانَ فِيمَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّه عَلَيْك " وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذْ ظَلَمُوا أَنْفُسهمْ " الْآيَة , وَقَدْ ظَلَمْت نَفْسِي وَجِئْتُك تَسْتَغْفِر لِي . فَنُودِيَ مِنْ الْقَبْر إِنَّهُ قَدْ غُفِرَ لَك .

[TripolySunni]

Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

It is is the beleif of ENTIRE AHLUS-SUNNAH WAL JAMAAH that Prophet (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) is alive in his grave and nobody thinks that he is dead, the only difference is:

a) Some say that he is alive in the sense of Barzakh

b) Some say that he is alive in the real sense

We believe in (a) and there are numerous threads about this matter and search can be used.

Found this in the Tafseer of Imam Qurtubi (RA), interesting stuff:

http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?nType=1&bm=&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=4&nAya=64&taf=KORTOBY&tashkeel=0


وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذْ ظَلَمُوا أَنْفُسَهُمْ جَاءُوكَ فَاسْتَغْفَرُوا اللَّهَ وَاسْتَغْفَرَ لَهُمُ الرَّسُولُ

رَوَى أَبُو صَادِق عَنْ عَلِيّ قَالَ : قَدِمَ عَلَيْنَا أَعْرَابِيّ بَعْدَمَا دَفَنَّا رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِثَلَاثَةِ أَيَّام , فَرَمَى بِنَفْسِهِ عَلَى قَبْر رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ وَحَثَا عَلَى رَأْسه مِنْ تُرَابه ; فَقَالَ : قُلْت يَا رَسُول اللَّه فَسَمِعْنَا قَوْلَك , وَوَعَيْت عَنْ اللَّه فَوَعَيْنَا عَنْك , وَكَانَ فِيمَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّه عَلَيْك " وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ إِذْ ظَلَمُوا أَنْفُسهمْ " الْآيَة , وَقَدْ ظَلَمْت نَفْسِي وَجِئْتُك تَسْتَغْفِر لِي . فَنُودِيَ مِنْ الْقَبْر إِنَّهُ قَدْ غُفِرَ لَك .

Yes! we believe that he (mohammad) is alive in the Barzakh BUT not in the real Physical worldly sense that is what i was implying. But the Danger lies Here, Because those who beleive that he is Physically alive with us today are in Great danger of Actually Worshipping the Grave at some point so we must not let them fall into this trap.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Yes! we believe that he (mohammad) is alive in the Barzakh BUT not in the real Physical worldly sense that is what i was implying. But the Danger lies Here, Because those who beleive that he is Physically alive with us today are in Great danger of Actually Worshipping the Grave at some point so we must not let them fall into this trap.

Asslamo Allaikum,

I have seen people prostrating to the grave of Prophet (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam), sad indeed!

[abdulwahhab]

Abu Bakr Says to You People and Refers to the Quran:

“To proceed, if anyone amongst you used to worship Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but if (anyone of) you used to worship Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die! Allah said: ‘Muhammad is no more than an Apostle, and indeed (many) apostles have passed away before him…(till the end of the Verse)…Allah will reward those who are thankful.’ (Quran, 3:144)”

WHAT WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY THAT MOHAMMAD IS ALIVE: is that his Sunnah and his way of Life still guides us today and if we have any questions we should refer to the Quran and His Sunnah BUT it does not say that he litterally is ALIVE and when Allah said that the Moujahedeen are Alive he did not mean it litterally as well.

This is not the belief of the Ahlus Sunnah. The Prophet (saw) is alive. After all, martyrs are alive (as mentioned in the Qur'an) and anbiya (as) have a higher position. There is a difference of opinion as to what kind of life it is; whether it is the life of barzakh or the same as our physical lives, but there is no doubt that the anbiya (as) are alive.

[marco100]

Does sending durood on our prophet pbuh not mean that he replies to our salams? This is saheeh hadeeth too no? Correct me if I'm wrong, inshallah. Can a dead person reply to salams? No.

Based on this, could one not then say that our beloved Prophet pbuh is indeed alive in his blessed grave, as well as all of Allah's prophets?

I apreciate the salafi stance on saying his Sunnah is alive, which it is. However, why take just one stance and not agree that it also means he is physically alive too?

[abulayl]

I apreciate the salafi stance on saying his Sunnah is alive, which it is. However, why take just one stance and not agree that it also means he is physically alive too?

I was actuelly searching for some answer that, what people understand under the defination of physical alive?

We know the body of prophets, shuhada doesnt get destroyed in their grave. IS it what we mean with physical alive? and if we r talking about "soul is alive", then everybodies soul is alive in the grave and not only prophets. cause every soul gotta give answer in the grave.ANd they get punishment also in the grave. IF soul isn´t alive in the gravce, what will be punished in the grave?

So everybody is dead first, and everybody is alive again in the grave! and the power in the grave differs, normal human being doesnt have any power, but prophets has power to pray salah their and so on.

[bugmenot]

Does sending durood on our prophet pbuh not mean that he replies to our salams? This is saheeh hadeeth too no?
:salam:
“There is no one who sends salaams upon me but Allaah will restore to me my soul so that I may return his salaams.”
(aboo daawood)

[F. Mohsin]

Assalamu alaikum

I find some strange things here and I am wondering if Abu Bakr (RA) was not one of the Ahlus-Sunnah when he said that Muhammad (SAW) is dead.

Secondly, I saw a brother wrote that Quran testifies that Adam (PBUH) was forgiven through the wasilah of the Prophet (SAW), can you please clarify it for us because Quran in no way testifies that.

Thirdly, the brother who posted a lengthy response for the wasilah quoted all the Quranic verses and ahadith about when the prophet (SAW) was alive and nobody denies that. We do not deny even a common muslim making dua or asking forgiveness for us from Allah when he is alive in this dunya.

When we ask for the intercession of the prophet (SAW) do we ask him directly or we ask Allah to include us in his (SAW) intercession on the day of Judgement ?

[marco100]

:salam:
“There is no one who sends salaams upon me but Allaah will restore to me my soul so that I may return his salaams.”
(aboo daawood)

Yes, so now how many muslims send durood to him every day? We're talking in the millions. So, to answer each salam, he would be alive, then dead, then alive, then dead, etc? This is not a nice thought at all. Surely, this means he is alive at all times. No?

[bugmenot]

:salam:
to me there is a big misunderstanding from both sides, read the link at the top of the page from central mosque.

[Indian_Muslim]

Rasool-e-Paak ki Inteqaal ho gayee toh kya houwa , unkee Sunnat ab bhi zinda hai aur Inshallah Ta'ala zinda rahega qayamat tak.

Rasool-e-Paak (saw) is dead , but his Sunnah is still alive and Insha'Allah ta'ala will be alive till the Day of Judgement.

[TripolySunni]

Listen guys im not an expert nor do i represent a specific school of thought when i talk BUT it seems to me that when you say that the propet(PBUH) is physically alive and not spiritually through his teachings and traditions Then it reminds me of the Shiites who say that Al Mahdi is physically alive inside another hole for 1200 yrs. And if he really was alive physically then why don't we release him from the grave and let him walk between us? and why won't he need food to survive like all of us do or is he not human?

[pinkworld]

assalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah
I have seen young people posting lavish praises about Zakir Naik, and it bothers me at a level that is very difficult for me to describe. I am a convert from evangelical Protestant Christianity, and I have seen that same kind of emotional overflow from them. It is an intensity of emotion that can cause a person to "feel" more of a religious "sentiment." What bothers me about emotions and feelings in religious settings is that it is very easy to gravitate towards attaining those feelings while ignoring the necessity of acquiring solid religious knowledge about the fundamentals of the religion. The emotional fervour surrounding Zakir Naik also bothers me because it feels like a fad. Today, they will feel "spiritually revolutionised" by him - tomorrow, who? Where are the parents of these youth? Why have we allowed our children to become attracted by any entertainment celebrity, so that they can be led around by misguided people who know how to throw a word, use a gesture, claim the spotlight just as well as any Hollywood figure?

(It is strange to me how most any topic turns to parenting these days for me.)

[TripolySunni]

assalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah
I have seen young people posting lavish praises about Zakir Naik, and it bothers me at a level that is very difficult for me to describe. I am a convert from evangelical Protestant Christianity, and I have seen that same kind of emotional overflow from them. It is an intensity of emotion that can cause a person to "feel" more of a religious "sentiment." What bothers me about emotions and feelings in religious settings is that it is very easy to gravitate towards attaining those feelings while ignoring the necessity of acquiring solid religious knowledge about the fundamentals of the religion. The emotional fervour surrounding Zakir Naik also bothers me because it feels like a fad. Today, they will feel "spiritually revolutionised" by him - tomorrow, who? Where are the parents of these youth? Why have we allowed our children to become attracted by any entertainment celebrity, so that they can be led around by misguided people who know how to throw a word, use a gesture, claim the spotlight just as well as any Hollywood figure?

(It is strange to me how most any topic turns to parenting these days for me.)


Zakir Naik is an expert on comparative religion (student of ahmed Deedat) We take nothing from him except the things related to comparative religion (like concept of God).

[Abu Suliman]

Rasool-e-Paak ki Inteqaal ho gayee toh kya houwa , unkee Sunnat ab bhi zinda hai aur Inshallah Ta'ala zinda rahega qayamat tak.

Rasool-e-Paak (saw) is dead , but his Sunnah is still alive and Insha'Allah ta'ala will be alive till the Day of Judgement.

If the shuhada are alive and recieve rizq from Allah can not the ambiyaa(as) also not be alive?

[abulayl]

If the shuhada are alive and recieve rizq from Allah can not the ambiyaa(as) also not be alive?

They recive food? i never knew that!

[MohammadMufti]

Listen guys im not an expert nor do i represent a specific school of thought when i talk BUT it seems to me that when you say that the propet(PBUH) is physically alive and not spiritually through his teachings and traditions Then it reminds me of the Shiites who say that Al Mahdi is physically alive inside another hole for 1200 yrs. And if he really was alive physically then why don't we release him from the grave and let him walk between us? and why won't he need food to survive like all of us do or is he not human?

asalaamu alaikum

I believe you are talking about his life in this world (physical life) which isn't there and not about his life in barzakh which is. I was under the impression that the former is the belief of the Barelwis and the akabir (of Deoband) contradicted and corrected this sort of views. But from the posts in this thread, it appears that maybe I was wrong. Anyways, the 12er view on their mehdi figure is that he is alive in a different way, in that he is amongst you but hidden (like the Jewish "Mosiach" - our Dajjal) or on an island. They don't (generally) actually believe that he's living in a hole. So it is different.

But you have raised an interesting thing I never thought of, "And if he really was alive physically then why don't we release him from the grave and let him walk between us?"


assalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah
I have seen young people posting lavish praises about Zakir Naik, and it bothers me at a level that is very difficult for me to describe. I am a convert from evangelical Protestant Christianity, and I have seen that same kind of emotional overflow from them. It is an intensity of emotion that can cause a person to "feel" more of a religious "sentiment." What bothers me about emotions and feelings in religious settings is that it is very easy to gravitate towards attaining those feelings while ignoring the necessity of acquiring solid religious knowledge about the fundamentals of the religion. The emotional fervour surrounding Zakir Naik also bothers me because it feels like a fad. Today, they will feel "spiritually revolutionised" by him - tomorrow, who? Where are the parents of these youth? Why have we allowed our children to become attracted by any entertainment celebrity, so that they can be led around by misguided people who know how to throw a word, use a gesture, claim the spotlight just as well as any Hollywood figure?

(It is strange to me how most any topic turns to parenting these days for me.)

wa 'alaykum asalaam

I don't think that the present situation is a problem of emotional connection. Dr. Saheb has a degree in a secular field (which I'm sure really helps with the veg/non-veg discussions he's had). And he is also known in comparitive religion. We don't take from the scholars because we are emotionally gravitating towards them - discounting this modern trend of turning some into actually celebrity-like figures. We take from them because they studied and excelled in certain matters. So if a sheikh has done his time in studying fiqh in a madhab, we take from him on that. Or, if he took his time and become expert in tafseer in modern times, than he's here for us for that.

As for the parents of these youth, if you see an audience of Dr. Saheb, they are mostly middle-aged men from varying religions. Youth of course catch the material on the tele, but Dr. Naik has a great audience (in Pakistan at least) of adults.

What I'm seeing, from pure emotions, is the zealous hatred that he gets from some people. He said Yazeed, rahimullah (mercy of God on him), so hundreds of Barelwis and Rawafid who've done nothing compared to what he has done in India begin to launch death-threats and cause protests. And after that, people have generally just taken his statements out of context (to satisfy their own emotions) - while people who defended him or just analyzed the situation in a level-headed way, had no fusion of emotion here.

[abulayl]

But you have raised an interesting thing I never thought of, "And if he really was alive physically then why don't we release him from the grave and let him walk between us?"


Brother as long as i know you undertsand urdu, you may hear the answer, what is the different between barzakhi and physically by mufti nawalur rahman saab.


http://www.shariahboard.org/viewfatwa.aspx?Question_ID=880

[MohammadMufti]

Brother as long as i know you undertsand urdu, you may hear the answer, what is the different between barzakhi and physically by mufti nawalur rahman saab.

http://www.shariahboard.org/viewfatwa.aspx?Question_ID=880

Shukriya! That really helped confirm and clarify things for me. I still am a little confused though, Mufti Saheb mentions how they pray and the like - does he mean they pray (with their bodies) in their graves or what I understood (i.e. the person does it like in Barzakh - i.e. his soul)?

[Abu Suliman]

They recive food? i never knew that!

from surah Ahle Imraan

verse 169. Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;

[pinkworld]

As for the parents of these youth, if you see an audience of Dr. Saheb, they are mostly middle-aged men from varying religions. Youth of course catch the material on the tele, but Dr. Naik has a great audience (in Pakistan at least) of adults.
assalamu `alaykum
Mashallah, I had forgot about that. I had a mental image of crowds of emotional youth because of my experiences at yahoo Answers. Of course, YA is taken over with almost nothing but youth.


What I'm seeing, from pure emotions, is the zealous hatred that he gets from some people. He said Yazeed, rahimullah (mercy of God on him), so hundreds of Barelwis and Rawafid who've done nothing compared to what he has done in India begin to launch death-threats and cause protests.
I did not know that he referred to Yazid with rahimullah. But isn't he a Sunni Muslim? So what if someone else believes otherwise? Can't they just let it go in one ear and out the other? Since when did death threats and violence become the trendy way to respond to anything with which one disagrees?

[fahid]

:salam:

I have a question, when Pharaoh was drowned he than said "I believe" , was he alive or was it his soul after death speaking?

[Yasir786]

Asalam O Alikum,

I do want to give any comment but I want to read this thread.... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum

[Skilly]

:salam:

I have a question, when Pharaoh was drowned he than said "I believe" , was he alive or was it his soul after death speaking?

He was alive, basicly when death was imminent, he cried out "I believe" to save himself (or maybe believed), but by than it was to late.

A good tafsir would explain better.

[ImamUddin]

Salamu-Aleikum

Insha-Allah this will clear things up a bit



In your question, you have quoted a few Aayats and the incident of Abu Bakr (Radhiallaahu Anhu). In actual fact, these have nothing to do with Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) being alive in his grave because the Aayat and the incident of Abu Bakr (Radhiallaahu Anhu) have to do with Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) passing away from this Dunyaa. This is an accepted fact. Everyone agrees that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) passed away for this earthly life. Everyone also agrees that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is alive in his grave but what has to be understood is how is Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) alive in his grave. If this is understood, I am sure that your objection will evaporate. Firstly, it should be known that after the death of a person the life of Barzakh (interval between death and resurrection) takes place. In this regards, both the Muslim and the Kaafir are equal. This is the view of Ahlus sunnah wal Jamaa. This has been proven through many Ahaadith. To cite a few: When a person is placed in his grave and his companions depart from him, verily, he hears their footsteps, two angels come to him, they make him sit up, then they address him?? (Mishkaat pg.24; Qadeemi) Once a Jewess came to Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha), she spoke about the punishment of the grave and then said, ?May Allah protect you from the punishment of grave.? Later, Hadhrat Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) questioned Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) concerning the punishment of the grave. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) replied, ?Yes, the punishment of the grave is Haqq?? (Mishkaat pg.25; Qadeemi) These Ahaadith explicitly prove that after a person passes away, he enters into a different phase of living and this is the life of Barzakh. However, in regards to this life there are various levels. Allah Ta?ala says in regards to the Shuhadaa, ?And do not term those who have been killed in the path of Allah as dead. In fact, they are living but you perceive not.? (Baqarah 153). From here, it is even more evident that a person dying in the world does not affect his status of being alive in the life of Barzakh. The question that now arises is, what is the meaning of them being alive? Mufti Shafi (RA) commentating on this verse in his Ma?ariful Qur?aan explains, ?It is well known that from the Islamic viewpoint, every dead person has a special type of life in Barzakh through which he experiences either punishment or enjoyment. However, there are different levels in this life. There is the level which is general for all, and there are special levels for the Ambiyaa, the martyrs and the pious. With regards to the reality of those levels, the best explanation is given by Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (RA) in his Bayaanul Qur?aan. The difference between the life of a martyr and of a normal person is that the effects of life is stronger in a martyr. Its example is that of the difference of feeling between the fingertips and the heel of the foot. Life flows in both of them, but feeling and perception is much greater in the fingertips. In the same manner is the effect of life greater in the martyr to the extent it even affects the body of the Shaheed in that it stays fresh in the grave and does not decompose, as is substantiated in the Ahaadith and from eye-witness accounts. This effect of life is only in regards to Barzakh, therefore, in Dunya all the laws that apply to a dead person will also apply to the martyr, his inheritance will be divided and his wife will be able to marry another person. A similar type of life is granted to the Anbiyaa but the effect of their life is even stronger to the extent that together with their bodies being preserved, some effects of their lives in Barzak also become apparent in Dunyaa, hence, their inheritance is not divisible and neither can their wives remarry. This is what we mean when we speak of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) being alive in his grave. Now for some proofs: 1. From Aayat2/253, it is proven that the martyrs are alive in their graves. Which this is established for the martyrs, then it is also established for the Anbiyaa, because;a ) This position has been bestowed on the martyrs as an honour for them. There is no doubt that there is no rank higher than the rank of the Anbiyaa and that the position of the Anbiyaa is higher and more perfect than the position of all the Shuhadaa. Therefore, it is impossible that this honour is given to the Shuhadaa and the Anbiyaa remained deprived of it, b) This position is granted to the Shuhadaa is a recompense for their Jihaad and for spending their lives in the way of Allah. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was the one who instituted this practice, who called them to this practice and guided them towards it. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) has said, ?Whoever institutes a noble practice, for him is its reward and the reward of those who act on it until the day of Qiyaamah.? 2. Anas ibn Maaliki (Radhiallaahu Anhu) narrates that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ?The Anbiyaa (Alayhis salaam) are living in their graves, they perform Salaat.? (Majmauz-zawaaid vol.8 pg.211) 3. The lives of the Anbiyaa (Alayhis salaam) are also proven through the Ahaadith of Mi?raaj narrated by Bukhari and Muslim where it is mentioned that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) led the Anbiyaa (Alayhis salaam) is Salaat and also his meeting them in Jannah. 4. ibn Mas?ood (Radhiallaahu Anhu) narrates that Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ?Verily, Allah has angels travelling through the earth, they bring to me the salaams of my Ummah.? (Targheeb wat Tarheeb vol.2 pg.498) 5. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ?Whoever recites Salawaat upon me (in my presence, I hear it and whoever sends Salawaat to me and he is not by me, his Salawaat is brought to me.? (Nasaaie) and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best Mufti Ebrahim Desai


http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=f8258a194a59f6ff518cb5660e048aa2

[troy01]

why won't he need food to survive like all of us do or is he not human?


I dont agree with shia's stance over Imam Mahdi, but this is not really impossible. The Holy Q'uran mentions the story of Ashabe-Kahaf, who slept for centuries.



Also refer,


Is Prophet (s.a.w.) alive and can he hear? (http://seekingilm.com/archives/204)

[MohammadMufti]

I dont agree with shia's stance over Imam Mahdi, but this is not really impossible. The Holy Q'uran mentions the story of Ashabe-Kahaf, who slept for centuries.

Also refer,

Is Prophet (s.a.w.) alive and can he hear? (http://seekingilm.com/archives/204)

That's not the problem though. Obviously people can live, in the perfect conditions and by the will of God (swt), for quite a long time. The problem is when they say he is ghayb either on an island or among the populace, and when they say he is hadhir nadhir (so they can make their wishes to him). Ashabe Khaf were hibernating - this imaginary figure is out and about, enjoying the times and yet is hidden from the presence of every eye. Almost every controversial aspect of this imaginary figure directly mirrors Yahuwdi mythology on their Mosiach and our narrations concerning Dajjal and the enemies of Islaam.

[MohammadMufti]

assalamu `alaykum
Mashallah, I had forgot about that. I had a mental image of crowds of emotional youth because of my experiences at yahoo Answers. Of course, YA is taken over with almost nothing but youth.

I did not know that he referred to Yazid with rahimullah. But isn't he a Sunni Muslim? So what if someone else believes otherwise? Can't they just let it go in one ear and out the other? Since when did death threats and violence become the trendy way to respond to anything with which one disagrees?

Wa 'alaykum asalaam

Some of the Sunna' were upset with this position as well, some Barelwis caused a big fuss over the whole thing. I saw how this man went from "a beacon of Islaam" to a "Nasibi kaafir" on SC in that day when the rumors started to circulate, and also the angry reaction from some of the deviants on YaNabi? or some such place. Even in my own, otherwise advanced and educated community - nobody wanted to ask "well, why would he say that, let's ask him?" Instead, it was all "lanat bar, lanat bar..."

The man's really pushing the limits of some people with violent tendencies. I feel he has done a lot and has a lot to offer in terms of his knowledge on the present subject, so it's too bad he's pretty much asking to become a martyr one of these days. It would be better if he stayed some more years and continued to give the information he learned from the books that the majority of us never study and delve too much into talking about fiqh and history (since the later might make him history).

[Intrepid]

Zakir Naik is an expert on comparative religion (student of ahmed Deedat) We take nothing from him except the things related to comparative religion (like concept of God).

I totally concur! We take that which is good and neglect that which is bad, obviously this depends on whether you can distinguish between the two. However as a fail safe I recommend people to only listen to his study in comparative theology.


Where are the parents of these youth? Why have we allowed our children to become attracted by any entertainment celebrity, so that they can be led around by misguided people who know how to throw a word, use a gesture, claim the spotlight just as well as any Hollywood figure?


Being a Shi'a your comments don't surprise me, as the brelvis & shias have some kind of vendetta against him. Now I'm no ardent fan of Dr. Zakir Naik, but I believe he's been far more beneficial to the Ummah then he has been detrimental. Personally my view is that he errs in one or two aspects of Islam but he is far from misguided.

[pinkworld]

Being a Shi'a your comments don't surprise me, as the brelvis & shias have some kind of vendetta against him. Now I'm no ardent fan of Dr. Zakir Naik, but I believe he's been far more beneficial to the Ummah then he has been detrimental. Personally my view is that he errs in one or two aspects of Islam but he is far from misguided.

assalamu `alaykum
I was not aware that zakir Naik had said anything against Shia Islam, even that he spoke well of Yazid. I am glad (though a bit embarrassed) that I opened my big mouth, because it resulted in some informative posts about the areas in which Naik is useful.

[Yasir786]

Assalamu alaikum

I find some strange things here and I am wondering if Abu Bakr (RA) was not one of the Ahlus-Sunnah when he said that Muhammad (SAW) is dead.

Secondly, I saw a brother wrote that Quran testifies that Adam (PBUH) was forgiven through the wasilah of the Prophet (SAW), can you please clarify it for us because Quran in no way testifies that.

Thirdly, the brother who posted a lengthy response for the wasilah quoted all the Quranic verses and ahadith about when the prophet (SAW) was alive and nobody denies that. We do not deny even a common muslim making dua or asking forgiveness for us from Allah when he is alive in this dunya.

When we ask for the intercession of the prophet (SAW) do we ask him directly or we ask Allah to include us in his (SAW) intercession on the day of Judgement ?

Walikum Salam,

I was a silent reader of this thread because mostly people belongs who do Worship of Graves...

But I do agree with the statement written above..

Any way Few guys are giving their point of views... But cant we say Salam when we enter to Grave Yard.....

Brothers just giving their Logics.. Nothing more... If you people are dicussing this in that way why not one just call to Dr Zajir Naik... & ask what did you meant by your this statement
Jazak Allah

Asalm O Alikum

[abulayl]

But cant we say Salam when we enter to Grave Yard.....


We can give salam when we enter in the grave, and we got allready our 90 reward. But people are cursing each other with the matter, do the dead bodies also return the salam or not(which attends only 10 reward, which they will get, but no way to earn reward in grave by themself!!!).

[Ali al-Hanafi]

:salam:

The first question to Dr Zakir Naik was regarding "Mannat" and he rightly said that it is not allowed, e.g. if someone says, "Oh saint so and so, if you grant me such and such, I will do such and such for you". Then he confused Tawassul with Mannat and incorrectly gave the same ruling for it.

[Yasir786]

We can give salam when we enter in the grave, and we got allready our 90 reward. But people are cursing each other with the matter, do the dead bodies also return the salam or not(which attends only 10 reward, which they will get, but no way to earn reward in grave by themself!!!).

Asalam O Alikum,

Brother A person's who got die closed his eraning of deeds... But if he has

1 Good Kids
2 made any Mosque
3 planted any tree or water ( Rafahi Work)

Asalam O Alikum

[fahid]

:salam:

Here is what doesn't make sense... if we say the Prophets and the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon them) are dead in the sense that they are dead "like anyone else is" than how could the Prophet (salalahu alahi wasalam) speak to all the Prophets he had met during the Isra and Miraj if they were just "dead like anyone else".

The Ahl-ul-Sunnah can at least agree that he is in a state of Barzakh and we find in Authentic Hadith (with FULL EVIDENCE from his Hair stored in Egypt that has not been degenerated) that his BODY has not decayed so it's not the death like "everyone else" in fact we find again in Authentic Hadith that death itself is lightened for the Prophets.

Allah knows best.

[Yasir786]

Asalam O Alikum,

If a person gets die then why people says he got Itikaal... (Transferred from one place to other)... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum.

[JayshAllah]

:salam:

Here is what doesn't make sense... if we say the Prophets and the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon them) are dead in the sense that they are dead "like anyone else is" than how could the Prophet (salalahu alahi wasalam) speak to all the Prophets he had met during the Isra and Miraj if they were just "dead like anyone else".

The Ahl-ul-Sunnah can at least agree that he is in a state of Barzakh and we find in Authentic Hadith (with FULL EVIDENCE from his Hair stored in Egypt that has not been degenerated) that his BODY has not decayed so it's not the death like "everyone else" in fact we find again in Authentic Hadith that death itself is lightened for the Prophets.

Allah knows best.

Straw man argument.

Salafis already say that the Prophets are alive in the life of barzakh and their souls are in the highest ranks above all others. So they are "like everyone else" in the sense that they are dead and in barzakh, but they are the highest in barzakh.

[Sunni4life]

Walikum Salam,

I was a silent reader of this thread because mostly people belongs who do Worship of Graves...

But I do agree with the statement written above..

Any way Few guys are giving their point of views... But cant we say Salam when we enter to Grave Yard.....

Brothers just giving their Logics.. Nothing more... If you people are dicussing this in that way why not one just call to Dr Zajir Naik... & ask what did you meant by your this statement
Jazak Allah

Asalm O Alikum

As Salamu laykum

I attended Salafi masjid and have sat with many Salafi shaykhs but from a sense of fairness and fact checking the Salafi's are taking a position based on pre conceived notions and prejudices, they are not basing their belief and practice on the proof with the wasila but they are deciding before hand it is wrong and then picking and choosing evidence to proof what they already have decided.

Case in point the narration of the man wanted a audience with Uthaman raa, and was advised to make wasila of the Prophet saw (this was after His death) to the end of the narration, Shaykh Albani downgraded this narration and every salafi teacher will tell you it is da'eff with out admitting or noting that many Hadeeth Masters said it was Sahih in the past.

I am not on any ones side but the Truth but it's really hypocritical to accuse people of "blind following" and when you blind follow a hadeeth scholar who opposes the classical hadeeth Masters, if you make taqlid of Albani how do you reject the ruling of 10 hadeeth scholars who graded this narration sahih?

People are calling themselves ahlul hadeeth and rejecting sound hadeeth because it doen't agree with their dogma. This is my test because I have considered myself a follower of the salaf for years now and here is a authentic hadeeth that opposes what my teachers have been telling me ... what choice does one have but to follow the haqq where ever it lead you?

[Paradise One]

Assalamu Alaikum,

Here is an excerpt from Dr.Zakir Naik's interview on ARY.
In which he says that Awliya and Prophets are dead (Naudhbillah) and
goes on to deny Wasila of Prophet Mohammed(Peace be upon him) .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6633947166789366390&hl=en

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem,

Could someone please provide a translated transcript of the discussion which takes place in the video.

Its a very short video, and will not take that much time and effort, and really help the members on this forum who dont speak Urdu understand better understand this thread.

Shukran.

[Abu Suliman]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem,

Could someone please provide a translated transcript of the discussion which takes place in the video.

Its a very short video, and will not take that much time and effort, and really help the members on this forum who dont speak Urdu understand better understand this thread.

Shukran.

basically he is saying that it is wrong to ask for help from anyone then ALLAH.
And we can not even say Oh Allah for the sake of your Prophet(as) help me.
only on the day of judgement we are allowed to ask Nabi :saw: when Allah gives him permission for shafat.

[arius]

It is saddening to learn that Dr Zakir Naek has denied the Wasila of the Shafiul Muznibin.
This happens when one tries to be exclusively logical. Logic forces one to take sides, whereas the blessed position is right in the middle of all extremes. Why reject or try to objectify something that is purely subjective and internal and is linked with perception and spirituality rather than the external, physical world and objects? Why reject Jazb, and on the other hand why try to make subjective Jazb part of the objective sharia.
No age and no region of the world has been without a prophet. Hayatu Nabi is therefore intimately linked with Khatm-i-Nabuwat.
Every sunnah is a part of the life of the Prophet. Even Salat is a part of his spiritual states. We offer Salat in an effort to share God's blessings on his spirituality. Nobody can reject his wasila and remain a Muslim -- it is practically impossible-- because he lives in every sunnah.

[F. Mohsin]

Assalamu alaikum

I wonder what is so wrong in Dr. Naik's speech. What muslim will say that leave Allah and go ask the prophet (pbuh) or awlia. Because if wasilah means to ask someone (prophets or awlia) directly as few have said here then we know from hadith that the idols that the people of Nuh (AS) had were of pious people (read awlia) then what was so wrong about that?

I don't know why people complicate things and indulge into matters that create doubts in minds. If our mufti sahab is here I want to ask a very serious question.

The scholars have ruled that a daeef hadith cannot be taken for legal verdict then how is it ok to take a daeef hadith to set the matters in Aqidah which I believe is above legal matters.

[a-r]

Isn't wasila a Shia belief?

[arius]

An ayah occurs in Quran in which people are advised to get hold of a wasila in order to reach God. Every farz and sunna is a wasila, so is Quran, and so too the Prophet's spirituality. There is no difference in Islam and Prophet's spirituality. One is Tauheed being learned and acted upon, the other Tauheed being felt and drunk on.

[F. Mohsin]

An ayah occurs in Quran in which people are advised to get hold of a wasila in order to reach God. Every farz and sunna is a wasila, so is Quran, and so too the Prophet's spirituality. There is no difference in Islam and Prophet's spirituality. One is Tauheed being learned and acted upon, the other Tauheed being felt and drunk on.Are you a Philosopher ? What do you mean by Prophet's sprituality ?

Are you equating Risalat with Tauheed ?

It is reported on the authority of Qatelah (ra) that a Jewish man came to the Prophet and said to him: "Verily, you (Muslims) commit Shirk, for you say: "As Allah Wills and as you will;" and you say: "By the Ka'abah!" And so the Prophet ordered whoever wanted to swear, to say: "By the Rabb of the Ka'abah!" and to say: "As Allah Wills, then as you will." (Narrated by An-Nasaa`i, who said that it is authentic)

An-Nasaa`i also narrate, on the authority of Ibn `Abbas (ra) that a man came to the Prophet and he said: "As Allah and you, will," at which, the Prophet said: "Would you set me up as a partner beside Allah ? (Say:) "As Allah , Alone Wills."

Ibn `Abbas (ra) informs us that a man came to Allah's Messenger and consulted him about a certain matter; after hearing the Prophet's advice, he said: "As Allah and you will, oh, Messenger of Allah !" The Prophet rebuked him for this statement and explained to him that placing his will on a par with the Will of Allah was tantamount to ascribing him as a partner to Allah , which is prohibited to the Muslim. Then He guided the man to the correct manner, which is to say: "As Allah , Alone Wills."

On the authority of At-Tufail, the half brother of `A`ishah (may Allah be pleased with them both), it is reported that he said: "I saw in a dream that I came upon a number of Jews and I said to them: "You are indeed a good people were it not that you claim that `Uzair (as ) is the son of Allah ." They replied: "You too are good, were it not that you say: "As Allah Wills and as Muhammad wills." Then, I came upon a number of Christians and I said to them: "You are indeed a good people were it not that you claim that the Messiah (Eisa as ) is the son of Allah ." They replied: "You are also good, were it not that you say: "As Allah Wills and as Muhammad wills." When I awoke, I told someone about this, then I went to the Prophet and repeated it to him. He asked me: "Have you told anyone about this?" I said: "Yes." Then he went to the pulpit and, after praising Allah , he said: "At-Tufail had a dream which he has already communicated to some of you. You used to say something which I was prevented from forbidding to you until now. Henceforth, do not say: "As Allah Wills and as Muhammad wills," but say: " What Allah , Alone Wills." (Narrated by Ibn Majah)

[Yasir786]

Asalam O Alikum,

Any brother or sister know any contact information so that I can contact to Dr. Zakir Naik... & ask about few things... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum...

[abulayl]

Asalam O Alikum,

Any brother or sister know any contact information so that I can contact to Dr. Zakir Naik... & ask about few things... Jazak Allah

Asalam O Alikum...

you may try at his website irfi.org maybe

[arius]

What do you mean by Prophet's sprituality ?

Are you equating Risalat with Tauheed ?

It is reported on the authority of Qatelah (ra) that a Jewish man came to the Prophet and said to him: "Verily, you (Muslims) commit Shirk, for you say: "As Allah Wills and as you will;" and you say: "By the Ka'abah!" And so the Prophet ordered whoever wanted to swear, to say: "By the Rabb of the Ka'abah!" and to say: "As Allah Wills, then as you will." (Narrated by An-Nasaa`i, who said that it is authentic)

...You used to say something which I was prevented from forbidding to you until now. Henceforth, do not say: "As Allah Wills and as Muhammad wills," but say: " What Allah , Alone Wills." (Narrated by Ibn Majah)

You have yourself answered your questions. Please ponder over the meanings of surah barat (surah tauba) for further guidance.

I am not a philosopher but a sufi (hopefully).
What I meant was that just as Quran guides one as to what to avoid and what to do (negation-affirmation-- Tauheed's essence), so does the Noor that is induced in one's heart in spiritual intimacy with the Prophet. In other words, the tajalliyat that are in Quran, are also there on the blessed spirit of the Prophet. Seen from this point of view, Islam means the effort to share the blessings of Allah on Syedna Muhammad Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam.

[F. Mohsin]

You have yourself answered your questions. Please ponder over the meanings of surah barat (surah tauba) for further guidance.

I am not a philosopher but a sufi (hopefully).
What I meant was that just as Quran guides one as to what to avoid and what to do (negation-affirmation-- Tauheed's essence), so does the Noor that is induced in one's heart in spiritual intimacy with the Prophet. In other words, the tajalliyat that are in Quran, are also there on the blessed spirit of the Prophet. Seen from this point of view, Islam means the effort to share the blessings of Allah on Syedna Muhammad Sal-Allahu alaihay wasalam.Assalamu alaikum

No, you actually took a part from the hadith which just suited you but you left the part which is an order for us all.
but say: " What Allah , Alone Wills."
Sahaba used to do that and if it was OK Prophet (SAW) would not have ordered them to stop saying that.

If you are trying to say something like that there are levels of wills and the Prophet's will is free from Allah's in some way then please help me understand these verses.

And you cannot will, unless (it be) that Allâh wills, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (29)

And never say of anything, "I shall do such and such thing tomorrow." (23) Except (with the saying), "If Allâh will!" And remember your Lord when you forget and say: "It may be that my Lord guides me unto a nearer way of truth than this." (24)

If their aversion (from you, O Muhammad SAW and from that with which you have been sent) is hard on you, (and you cannot be patient of their harm to you), then if you were able to seek a tunnel in the earth or a ladder to the sky, so that you may bring them a sign (and you cannot do it, so be patient). And had Allâh willed, He could have gathered them together (all) on true guidance, so be not you one of those who are Al-Jâhilûn (the ignorant). (35)

There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Gracious (Allâh) as a slave. (93)

Not for you (O Muhammad SAW, but for Allâh) is the decision; whether He turns in mercy to (pardons) them or punishes them; verily, they are the Zâlimûn (polytheists, disobedients, and wrong-doers). (128)

O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allâh has allowed to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (1)

And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allâh swt), (44) We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), (45) And then we certainly would have cut off his life artery (Aorta), (46) And none of you could witheld Us from (punishing) him. (47)

Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allâh only. And those who take Auliyâ' (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâh." Verily, Allâh will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allâh guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever. (3)

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, I am commanded to worship Allâh (Alone) by obeying Him and doing religious deeds sincerely for His sake only. (11) "And I am commanded (this) in order that I may be the first of those who submit themselves to Allâh (in Islâm) as Muslims." (12) Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Verily, if I disobey my Lord, I am afraid of the torment of a great Day." (13) Say (O Muhammad SAW) "Allâh Alone I worship by doing religious deeds sincerely for His sake only (and not to show off, and not to set up rivals with Him in worship)." (14)

In the end I will only say that I love Sayyedena Muhammad (SAW) as much as you do but loving someone means to follow his advice. Allah says,
Say (O Muhammad SAW): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Exceed not the limits in your religion (by believing in something) other than the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray before, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path." (77)

Brother your talks are unclear, they have dual meanings and in some way points that there is some power, separate will of Muhammad (SAW) that can help us in some mysterious ways.

Since I am neither a Sufi nor a Philosopher I do not understand double meaning talks so I want you to do what Allah asked you to do.

O you who believe! Guard your duty to Allah, and speak words straight to the point; (70)

[adampuri]

Salamu-Aleikum

Insha-Allah this will clear things up a bit



http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=f8258a194a59f6ff518cb5660e048aa2

Jazakallah

[ZeeshanParvez]

"Some people do not accept the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) to be alive. They say that he is dead and mixed with the soil. Allah forbid! The Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'at believes that the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is "Hayaatun Nabi", that is, he is alive both physically and spiritually."


Assalamau 'alaikum,

I am new to this forum and this is my first post. To start of with, I am a ghair muqqalid, not Ahl - Hadith<---- (For that term, in Arabic means scholars of Hadith, I am not a scholar yet, I think, but God knows best).

I read a Hadith, in which it is mentioned that when someone sends Darood on him (PBUH) the angel breathes the Rooh into him (PBUH).

I have a question

1. If the Rooh is not inside the person, does that make him alive or dead?
2. Since there is not a point in time when the Azan around the world is not taking place. Hence, it follows that there is not a moment when the Darood is not being sent upon the Prohpet (PBUH), at some time. So would it not follow that the Rooh is always inside him (PBUH)?
3.Third, does not discussing such maters which have remained conterversial among Muslims among ages, give the Devil the chance to create disent among us and drive us farther away from one another?

Thanks!

[RunningPraised1]

3.Third, does not discussing such maters which have remained conterversial among Muslims among ages, give the Devil the chance to create disent among us and drive us farther away from one another?

Thanks!

Yes, sir.

[Yasir786]

you may try at his website irfi.org maybe

Asalam O Alikum,

Thank you let me check....

Asalam O Alikum.

[arius]

It is reported on the authority of Qatelah (ra) that a Jewish man came to the Prophet and said to him: "Verily, you (Muslims) commit Shirk, for you say: "As Allah Wills and as you will;" and you say: "By the Ka'abah!" And so the Prophet ordered whoever wanted to swear, to say: "By the Rabb of the Ka'abah!" and to say: "As Allah Wills, then as you will." (Narrated by An-Nasaa`i, who said that it is authentic)
This establishes that Abdullah's will is same as his Allah's will because of his total submission to Allah.
Unity of his will and activity with God is what makes the heart and face and the whole being of an Abdullah noori as God not only dwells in a Momin's heart but also becomes his hand, eyes, etc. according to a hadith in Bukhari's Kitabu Riqaq. A true Momin is lost in the Noor of God.
Do read Surah Tauba (Barah) for understanding Maqam-i-Mustafa.

[F. Mohsin]

This establishes that Abdullah's will is same as his Allah's will because of his total submission to Allah.
Unity of his will and activity with God is what makes the heart and face and the whole being of an Abdullah noori as God not only dwells in a Momin's heart but also becomes his hand, eyes, etc. according to a hadith in Bukhari's Kitabu Riqaq. A true Momin is lost in the Noor of God.
Do read Surah Tauba (Barah) for understanding Maqam-i-Mustafa.I am not deying the maqam of Muhammad (SAW) but only objecting to making him one with Allah. All I know brother is that,

Al-Rabbu Rabbun fa in tanazzal, wal-abdu abdun fa in taraqqa.

You still have to explain me all those ayaat.

[abulayl]

I am not deying the maqam of Muhammad (SAW) but only objecting to making him one with Allah. All I know brother is that,


Thats remember me a hadith about maqam of prophet mohammad(sw)

Do not unduly praise me like the Christians exaggerated over `Isa, son of Maryam. Verily, I am only a servant, so say, `Allah's servant and His Messenger".

[F. Mohsin]

Thats remember me a hadith about maqam of prophet mohammad(sw)

Do not unduly praise me like the Christians exaggerated over `Isa, son of Maryam. Verily, I am only a servant, so say, `Allah's servant and His Messenger".JazakAllahu khairan brother :) :)

[Hamza81]

Is the prophet alive in his grave?

Sheikh M. S. Al-Munajjid, a prominent Saudi Muslim lecturer and author answers a question about whether the prophet is alive in his grave or not! He states:

“The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is alive in his grave in the sense of the life of al-barzakh, so he enjoys the blessings that Allah has prepared for him as a reward for his great good actions that he did in this world. But the life in the grave is not like the life of this world, or the life in the Hereafter. Rather, it is the life of al-barzakh which comes in between his life in this world and his life in the Hereafter. Hence we know that he died as other Prophets and other people before him died. Allah says: “And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad); then if you die, would they live forever?” (al-Anbiya’: 34) “Verily, you (O Muhammad) will die, and verily, they (too) will die…” (az-Zumar: 30)


With regard to the soul of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), it is in the highest part of `Illiyyin, because he is the best of creation, and because Allah has given him al-Wasilah which is the highest position in Paradise.


The life of al-barzakh is a special life, the nature of which is known to Allah. It is not like the life of this world in which the soul remains with the body. The Prophets and the martyrs are alive in al-barzakh as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The Prophets are alive and they pray in their graves.” (Narrated by al-Mundhiri and al-Bayhaqi who classed it as authentic) Allah says: “And say not of those who are killed in the way of Allah, ‘They are dead.’ Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not.” (al-Baqarah: 154)


The basic principle concerning the dead is that they do not hear the words of the living sons of Adam, because Allah says: “…but you cannot make hear those who are in graves.” (Fatir: 22)


Allah confirmed that those whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was calling to Islam could not hear, by likening them to the dead. There is nothing in the Qur’an or in the authentic Sunnah to indicate that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) can hear every du`a’ or call from human beings. However, it is proven that the only thing that reaches the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the blessings and salams of those who send blessings and salams upon him. This was narrated by Abu Dawud, 2041, with a hasan (good) <>isnad (chain of transmitters) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “There is no one who sends salaams upon me but Allah will restore to me my soul so that I may return his salams.”


This does not mean that he hears the words of the one who sends salams. Rather, it is possible that he comes to know of those salams when the angels convey that to him. If we assume that he hears the words of the one who sends salams, this is an exception from the general rule, as in the case of the dead hearing the footsteps of those who carry his bier, and as in the case of the slain kuffar (non-Muslims) in the well at Badr who heard the call of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) when he said to them: “Have you found your Lord’s promise to be true? For we have found our Lord’s promise to be true.”

Another question was asked in regards to the prophet being dead or not in his grave and Sheikh `Abdul-Kareem Al-Khudayr states:

“The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) is the best and most perfect of creation, and the most beloved to Allah and the most honored by Him. But this does not mean that his human characteristics are to be denied, or that any of the duties of worship which are due only to Allah should be directed to him. The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) was a human being who suffered from sickness and real death the same as any other human being. Almighty Allah says:

“Verily, you (O Muhammad) will die, and verily, they (too) will die” (Az-Zumar: 30)

“And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad); then if you die, would they live forever?” (Al-Anbiya’: 34)



The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) died and was buried in his grave, hence as-Siddiq Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: “Whoever used to worship Muhammad, Muhammad has died, but whoever used to worship Allah, Allah is alive and will never die.”



The fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was a witness, a bringer of glad tidings and a warner, and that he will be a witness on the Day of Resurrection, does not mean that he is present among all nations, or that he (peace and blessings be upon him) will remain alive until the Day of Resurrection, or that he sees and witnesses whilst he is in his grave. Witnessing does not only mean seeing. Rather he will testify against the nations by means of what Allah tells him, for he does not know the Unseen. Allah, Most High, says:

“… and If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (Unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth …” (Al-A`raf: 188)

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) does not have the ability to be present in numerous places; he is in only one place, which is his grave, and this is according to the consensus of the Muslims.

These are the moments Abu Bakr found out about the death of the prophet:

Abu Bakr left his house at As-Sunh and came forth to the Mosque on a mare-back. At the Mosque, he dismounted and entered. He talked to nobody but went on till he entered ‘Aishah’s abode, and went directly to where the Messenger of Allâh was. The Prophet was covered with a Yemeni mantle. He uncovered his face and tended down, kissed him and cried. Then he said: "I sacrifice my father and mother for your sake. Allâh, verily, will not cause you to die twice. You have just experienced the death that Allâh had ordained."

Then he went out and found ‘Umar talking to people. He said:

"‘Umar, be seated." ‘Umar refused to do so. People parted ‘Umar and came towards Abu Bakr, who started a speech saying:

"And now, he who worships Muhammad . Muhammad is dead now. But he who worships Allâh, He is Ever Living and He never dies.

Allah says:

“Muhammad is no more than a Messenger, indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he died or is killed, will you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? ...” (Al `Imran: 144)

[Hamza81]

To assume that by invoking in the unseen the righteous imams, or the noble companions of the Holy Prophet (saws), or even the Noble Prophet (saws) himself, or invoking anyone in the Universe other than the One and Only True Lord of the Worlds would be a clear and manifest form of the unforgivable crime of ‘shirk’ in Islam.



To assume that any of the pious departed slaves of Allah Subhanah, or anyone else in creation other than Allah Subhanah Alone can hear one’s invocations in the unseen, let alone has the power and ability to answer them or get them answered, is a clear and manifest form of the most heinous of sins: ‘shirk’ with Allah Subhanah.



One of the Noble and Exclusive Attributes of Allah Subhanah is that He Alone is the All-Hearing or ‘Al-Samee’. To assume that anyone or anything in creation can hear us in the unseen, let alone having the ability and power to answer or respond to our invocations, is to share one of Allah Subhanah’s Exclusive and Sole Attributes with one amongst His creation; and that is a clear and manifest form of the sin of ‘shirk’!



There is not a major Surah in the Quran, where Allah Subhanah has not warned the believers against this heinous practice and abomination of taking ‘wasila’, or invoking others with Allah Subhanah in the unseen! The noble and pious departed slaves of Allah Subhanah never advocated such a practice, nor did it behove them to do so!



Just study these Aayahs of the Glorious Quran to understand and comprehend the Wrath and Anger of Allah Subhanah on those who invoke other beings in creation with Allah Subhanah:



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 16 Surah Nahl verse 20-21:

All the other beings, whom the people invoke with Allah, create nothing! Nay, they are themselves created! They are DEAD, not living, and they do not at all know themselves when they shall again be raised to life!


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 10 Surah Yunus verse 66: Note it well that all the dwellers of the heavens and the earth belong to Allah. And those who invoke others besides Allah, follow nothing but surmises and merely indulge in guess-works!


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 35Surah Fatir verses 13-14: He merges night into day, and day into night, and he has subjected the Sun and the Moon (to His Law); each one runs its course for an appointed term. Such is Allah, your Lord! To Him belongs all Dominion. Those whom you invoke besides Him, do not own even a blade of grass! If you call them, they cannot hear your prayers! And if they hear, they cannot answer you! And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your ‘shirk’. None can inform you of the Truth, like the One Who is acquainted with all things.



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 46 Surah Ahqaf verses 4-6: Prophet, say to them, "Have you ever seen them with open eyes those whom you invoke instead of Allah? Show me what they have created in the earth? Or have they any share in the creation and control of the heavens? Bring me a Book revealed before this, or produce some remnant of knowledge in support of your beliefs if you are truthful." And who could be further astray than the one who invokes, instead of Allah, those who cannot answer him till the Day of Resurrection. Nay, they are even UNAWARE THAT THEY ARE BEING INVOKED. And when all mankind shall be gathered together (on the Day of Qiyamah), they (the so called leaders and intercessors) will become enemies of those who invoked them and they will DISOWN THEIR WORSHIP!!!



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumur verse 2-3: So worship Allah Alone, making your religion His exclusively. Beware! Religion is the exclusive Right of Allah. As for those who have taken other ‘auliyas’ (guardians) with Allah (and justify their this conduct by saying): “We serve them only that they may bring us closer to Allah.” Allah will surely judge between them concerning all that in which they differ. Allah does not show guidance to any liar and denier of the Truth.



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 10 Surah Yunus verse 18:

These people serve beside Allah those which can neither harm nor benefit them, and say, “These are our ‘shofa’a’ (intercessors) with Allah!” (O Mohammed), tell them, “Do you wish to inform Allah of that thing which He knows not in the heavens or in the earth?” He is absolutely free from, and exalted above the shirk that they commit.


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 19 Surah Maryam verses 81-82: These people have set up other gods that Allah, so that they may become their supporters! There will be no supporters! They will not only disown your worship, but also become their opponents.



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter16 Surah Nahl verses 86-87:

When the people who had committed shirk in this world will see those whom they had made associates with Allah, they will say, “Our Lord, here are those associate-deities whom we used to invoke besides You.” At this their deities will retort, “You are liars!” At that time, all of them will proffer submission before Allah, and all that they used to forge in this world shall vanish from them.


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 7 Surah Aaraf verse 190-196:

They associate with Allah partners who do not create anything, but are themselves created; who cannot help them nor have the power (even) to help themselves! If you invite them to follow the Right Way, they will not follow you! It will be all the same for you whether you call them or keep silent. Those whom you invoke with Allah are MERE SERVANTS OF ALLAH LIKE YOU! Just invoke them, and if what you say of them be true, they will answer your prayers! Have they feet that they should walk with them? Or have they hands that they should hold with them? Or have they eyes that they should see with them? Or have they ears that they should hear with them? Tell them, O Mohammed, “Call up the partners you have set up, and then all of you sit down together and plot against me, and give me no respite. My Protector and Helper is Allah, Who has sent down this Book (Al Quran), and, it is He who protects the righteous people.”



Invoking other beings in creation in the unseen is a clear manifestation of the abomination and ‘the’ most heinous of sins in the deen of Islam, that is, ‘shirk’! Allah Subhanah has singled out this one sin as absolutely ‘unforgivable’ on the Day of Judgment, and has guaranteed the everlasting and unending punishment of the Fire of Hell to all those who die in the state of ‘shirk’, no matter what amount of good deeds they might have done! Such is the gravity of this abomination of ‘shirk’ or invoking other beings in creation in the Sight of Allah Subhanah, the One and Only Lord of the Worlds!



Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verse 72: Whoever commits ‘shirk’ (invoking anything with Allah), Allah shall forbid for him Paradise, and Hell shall be his abode. And for such wrong doers there will be no one to help.


Allah says in the Quran: Chapter 4 Surah An-Nisa Verse 48: Shirk (associating other deities with Allah) is the only sin that Allah does not forgive, and He forgives, whomsoever He pleases, sins other than this. For whosoever associates any other partner with Allah, does indeed forge a big lie and commits the most heinous sin


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 39 Surah Zumar verse 65-66: If you commit ‘shirk’ all your works will be rendered vain and you will be among the losers. Therefore, you should worship Allah Alone, and be among His grateful servants.

[arius]

There are two levels of time, as shown by the fact that God created the universe in an instant and at the same time also in six days -- each day being 1000 years of duration. One level is the permanent now, and the other the past-present-future continuum of everyday experience.
A very authentic hadith tells us that the Prophet was conscious of his Prophethood at the time when Adam was undergoing the stages of creation.
Just to make my point clear, a riwaya tells of Hazrat Umar appearing in the dream of a person, wiping sweat from his forehead after very tough questioning by God. How could he so appear when the questioning is to be done on Yaum-i-Jaza which stills lies in the future? It was obviously because of an altered perception of time.
Barzakh too has an altered perception of space and time.
Relativity or multiplicity is not the ultimate reality, Oneness is. The veils of a relative perception of space and time are also not the ultimate reality.
Therefore, I say that 14 centuries have not passed at all at one level, and we are living in the Prophet's age, with him being more alive than any other created being could ever be, and that the Green Dome of Medina covers the whole world.

[abulayl]

Therefore, I say that 14 centuries have not passed at all at one level, and we are living in the Prophet's age, with him being more alive than any other created being could ever be, and that the Green Dome of Medina covers the whole world.

h&#228;&#228;! are you talking something like about time machine or what brother?

Green dome covers whole world, the gilaf of kaba covers whole world. what do we need more to cover the world?

[arius]

Noor lies beyond relativity despite appearing to be a part of relativity. Noor shows such things to those tuned in.
God becomes an intimate Abdullah's eye with which the latter sees, his hand with which he holds and so on according to a hadith in Kitabu Riqaq of Bukhari. This is the unity of will and activity with God that is implied by the Islamic ideal of Abdullah (it is not a unity of substance Naudhu-Billah).
What is that activity? The activity of reflecting and spreading God's Light -- such activity is nothing but Noor and fills the heart, the face and the whole being of an Abdullah with Noor.
Even a Wahabi scholar like Dr Zakir Naek has observed that Noor means reflected light and that the word when used for Allah means that Allah is reflecting His own Light.
I add that the word Noor when used in the context of an Abdullah means that Abdullah is reflecting God's Light. The heart, if cleansed, can form the mirror for reflecting God's Light. This is the meaning of the hadith that God cannot be contained in the whole universe but dwells in a Momin's heart.
God's transcendence is not simple--He is totally transcendent of everything else, still more immanent in everything than anything else could ever be, as revealed in such ayahs as "Allahu Nooru samawate wal ard" and "Fa-ainama tuwalu fathama Wajh-Allah".

[F. Mohsin]

After reading many confusing posts here which really have a feel of Greek Philosophy in them all I have to say is what Allah said in surah Aal-e-Imraan.

He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He wills. Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. (6) It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Qur'ân). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allâh. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabarî). (7) (They say): "Our Lord! Let not our hearts deviate (from the truth) after You have guided us, and grant us mercy from You. Truly, You are the Bestower," (8)

[arius]

Why then were Sahabas competing for the water of Wudhu of Syedna? How Anas bin Malik tells us of water springing from the Prophet's fingers that were placed in a pot containing water? How the Prophet was able to keep an eye on the state of hearts (Khushu) of those offering Salah behind him?
All this is from Sahi Bukhari and all this points to the Prophet's connection with God's Noor.

[troy01]

Is the prophet alive in his grave?

Sheikh M. S. Al-Munajjid, a prominent Saudi Muslim lecturer and author answers a question about whether the prophet is alive in his grave or not! He states: ......




To assume that by invoking in the unseen the righteous imams, or the noble companions of the Holy Prophet (saws), or even the Noble Prophet (saws) himself, or invoking anyone in the Universe other than the One and Only True Lord of the Worlds would be a clear and manifest form of the unforgivable crime of ‘shirk’ in Islam......

....‘shirk’......




....‘shirk’......






refutation to this article is already posted on post #37 (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=338783&postcount=37)

[F. Mohsin]

refutation to this article is already posted on post #37 (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=338783&postcount=37)I find it strange that by showing that dead can hear you are making it lawful to call upon them. You highlighted the part of article which says,

To assume that by invoking in the unseen the righteous imams, or the noble companions of the Holy Prophet (saws), or even the Noble Prophet (saws) himself, or invoking anyone in the Universe other than the One and Only True Lord of the Worlds would be a clear and manifest form of the unforgivable crime of ‘shirk’ in Islam......

Tell me if this is not SHIRK then what SHIRK is ? How strange it is that a person whom Allah sent to stop people from calling unto others than Allah is now debated by his own followers as one whom they can call upon other than Allah.:cry:

[Yasir786]

Asalam O Alikum,

Usually this is very long debate that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was Noory or Bashry...
Any way he was Bashry..... Ab-bd Jazak Allah Karim

Asalam O Alikum.

[Propagating_Haq]

this bloke zakir naik has misguided many many people i would advice steer well clear from him.

[Abd'Al-Muqtadir]

:ws:

Well my advice, listen to zakir naik's comparative religion, but don't really listen to his Fiqh, he claims that he is really learned, but really if you look into his general fiqh, it is lacking so much, hope I am not slandering. Walahu Alam :)

:ws: