Mufti Ebrahim Desai Again Comments on the Wahhabis

[Omar HH]

As most of you know, there seems to have been a change in position of the Deobandi Ulema regarding the Wahhabis in a recent fatwa by Mufti Ebrahim Desai stating they were outside of Ahlul Sunnah wa Jama'ah. Well, the Mufti has followed up on his previous statements:

I have a question regarding your recent Fatwas regarding the Wahhabis...by your Fatwas you don't mean that they are not Muslims, do you?

I recently read your Fatwas regarding the Wahhabis where you have said that they are out of the folds of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah. I am a Hanafi and I follow the Ulama of Deoband. I completely agree that there are differences between us and them and I also agree with the justifications of our Ulama regarding their beliefs and practices. However, I do think that why not we just concentrate on the common points between us and them. I have read the Fatawas of famous Saudi scholar, Sheikh Muhammad Salih al Munajjid regarding issues such as growing of the beard, clothes above ankles, women's niqab etc. They have the same opinion as us in these issues. Please do bear in mind that these are issues on which many Arab ulema don't have the correct opinion like those of Egypt. I am sure there must be more issues also on which we agree. This way we will be able to build a better understanding of each other. What do you say about it? Secondly, by your Fatwas you don't mean that they are not Muslims, do you? I mean they also pray 5 times a day, keep fasts, go for Hajj, pay Zakat etc. Most of their Ulama also have Sunnah attire. Kindly please answer these two questions. JazakAllah Khair


Answer 12121

Being classified as part of the Ahlus sunnah wal Jama'ah or not, is not based on jurisprudence (Fiqh), it is on the basis of beliefs (Aqaaid). While in practice, the Wahabis are very similar to us, their completely incorrect beliefs demand that we highlight this to the public. As long as they aren't actively opposing us or spreading their Bidah Beliefs, we do not oppose them, but rather try to keep a good relationship with them. The Ulama of Deoband as a whole always had good relationships with the Saudi Ulama, however as a result of the number of books being published by the Wahabis against the Ulama of Deoband as well as their increasing efforts in spreading their Bidah beliefs and their public classifying the beliefs of the Asharis and Maaturidis as misguidance and shirk, our Ulama have been forced to reconsider our relationship with them.

They remain in the fold of Islam, but are classified as Ahlul Bidah on account of their beliefs.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[abduljalalmarabani]

salams to all....

deobandism, barelwism... just leave it bro. its just not necessary anymore.

abduljalalmarabani

[Omar_Farouk]

Theres no point having these debates, main thing is as long as we know we are on the straight path, and are not commiting sins then theres nothing to worry about, we can try to guide others, but lets try to perfect our deen first, (nothing against u bro)

[Zidane]

salams to all....

deobandism, barelwism... just leave it bro. its just not necessary anymore.

abduljalalmarabani

true, but i think the reason why the Mufti mentioned about Deobandi, is because the Salafees have very strong words against deobandis and moreso against brelwis:

The ruling concerning the Braylwiyyah

Question: There is a particular group in Pakistan called the ((Braylwiyyah)) or ((Jamaa'ah Nuwaaree)) which is a reference to their current leader known as ((Nuwaaree)). I ask your excellencies the Sharee'ah ruling regarding them and their 'aqeedah, and the prayer behind them as this is a contentious issue which many people are unaware of the reality. I will mention some of their defective ways and beliefs:

1) The belief that the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) is alive;

2) The belief that the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) is present and all-seeing, especially immediately after Salaat al-Jumu'ah;

3) The belief that the Messenger (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) is the foremost intercessor;

4) They believe in "saints" and the dead in their graves, and they offer salaah at the graves requesting them for their needs to be met;

5) Their commendation of domes and lighting up of graves;

6) Their saying ((Yaa Rasool, Yaa Muhammad (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam)));

7) Their hatred towards whoever loudly says ((Aameen)) and raises his hands in the salaah, considering such a person to be a Wahhaabee;

8) Their great astonishment at the use of the miswaak before the salaah;

9) Kissing the thumbs whilst doing wudhoo., the adhaan and after the salaah;

10) After the salaah, their imaam repeating the aayah:

{Allaah sends His prayers on the Prophet and also His angels too}, [Soorah al-Ahzaab, Aayah 56].

11) They gather after the Salaat al-Jumu'ah standing and reciting anaasheed and sending praises (to the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam));

12) After they complete the Noble Qur.aan in the Salaat at-Taraaweeh in the month of Ramadhaan, they prepare alot of food and distribute it in the dining area of the masjid, in addition to sweets;

13) They build masaajid and seek much importance in decorating them, writing ((Yaa Muhammad)) above the mihraab (standing place of the imaam);

14) They consider themselves the people of the Sunnah and correct 'aqeedah and that (all) others are in error;

15) What is the Sharee'ah ruling regarding performing the salaah behind them (their imaam), considering I am a medical student in Karachi and live next door to the masjid where they are in (overall) control (i.e. their beliefs and practices prevail)?

Response: Whoever has these characteristics and attributes, then it is not permissible to offer your salaah behind them (their imaam), and whoever knows of their condition, then their salaah is not correct. This is because most of their characteristics and attributes are of kufr and bid`ah which negate the tawheed (oneness) with which Allaah had sent His messenger and revealed in His Book, and that which conflicts with the Qur.aan, such as His (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) saying:

{Verily, you (Muhammad) will die and verily, they (too) will die}, [Soorah az-Zumar, Aayah 30]

And His saying:

{And the mosques are for Allaah (alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allaah}, [Soorah al-Jinn, Aayah 18]

And their bid`ah which they practice should be detested with good manners, and if they accept (and leave these pratices) then all praise is for Allaah (alone); And if they do not accept (and continue in these practices) then you should leave them and offer your salaah in the masjid of the Ahlus-Sunnah. And in this, with respect to Ibraaheem (alayhis-salaam) there is a good example:

{And I shall turn away from you and from those whom you invoke besides Allaah. And I shall call on my Lord; and I hope that I shall not be unblest in my invocation to my Lord}, [Soorah Maryam, Aayah 48].

And with Allaah lies all success and may Allaah send prayers and salutations upon our Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) and his family and his companions.

The Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Fataawa, comprising -
Head: Shaykh 'Abdul 'Azeez Ibn Abdullaah Ibn Baaz;
Deputy Head: Shaykh 'Abdur-Razzaaq 'Afeefee;
Member: Shaykh 'Abdullaah Ibn Qu'ood
Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa.imah lil-Buhooth al-'Ilmiyyah wal-Iftaa., - Volume 2, Page 396, Fatwa No.3090

[Omar HH]

Theres no point having these debates, main thing is as long as we know we are on the straight path, and are not commiting sins then theres nothing to worry about, we can try to guide others, but lets try to perfect our deen first, (nothing against u bro)

Yeah I agree.

I didn't mean it as a debate,

I just meant it as news basically,

Astaghfirallah,

Jazakallah wa Khayrun

[Omar_Farouk]

no brother Ohossino i understand that u were giving news, i wasnt directing it at u honestly i was just saying in general, sorry i didnt mean anything against u i hope ul 4give me if i have upset u, The main reason why i said this is that if people like me who are laymen get in 2 topics like this wel just get confused, i know we should know about this stuff, but as long as we know that were following and listening 2 the right people then well b fine. I apologise once again brother. JazakAllah 4 understanding

[Omar HH]

Oh brother! hahahahaha, don't worry about it.
I do understand what you said now.
Jazakallah wa Khayrun

[Omar_Farouk]

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