Changing of Kiswa Must see

[beinalimit]

Hi frnds have a look on the changing of kiswa great vdo MashaAllah
Total parts 5 each of appx 10 min.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYsAYnq7xYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWe24-7QGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXCEbCW8Vmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwvJS0iOei8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfJCAeZ7bPo

Capes

http://i34.tinypic.com/e8txzc.jpg

[beinalimit]

192 view but still no reply If any one want it in torrent avi format plz let me know

[Mustansir]

May God don't prevent us to see the Holy Kaaba!

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

The question should be asked to Saudi Scholars, "Isn't this Bid'ah?"

Where is the evidence that Kabah should be covered up?

Where is the evidence that it should be covered up in Black?

Where is the evidence that it should be beautifully covered in Gold?

Where is the evidence that it should be changed yearly?

All of these are rituals which are carried out by a Govenment backed by scholars who declare everything Bida'h. So where does this custom stand in Islamic Shariah?

[True Life]

:salam:

I agree with brother Muadh Khan, especially after I heard the recent lecture of Shaykh Riyadhul Haq (db) on Baitul Maqdas. He mentioned to have met a Imam of Baitul Maqdas who told them they can not even cover the expenses of maintaining the toilettes. At the same tame Saudi and the rest of the Ummah spending billions on the Haramain Sharifain.

But still these pictures are very special. :jazak:

[Mustansir]

و عليكم السلام
I agree that the Holy Kaaba must be maintained, but that's not meaning that the "kiswa" must be changed every year in a ceremonial event by the royal authorities!
قال الله تعالى :" أجعلتم سقاية الحاج وعمارة المسجد الحرام كمن آمن بالله واليوم الآخرة وجاهد في سبيل الله لا يستوون عند الله

[alfatiha]

Asslamo Allaikum,

The question should be asked to Saudi Scholars, "Isn't this Bid'ah?"

Where is the evidence that Kabah should be covered up?

Where is the evidence that it should be covered up in Black?

Where is the evidence that it should be beautifully covered in Gold?

Where is the evidence that it should be changed yearly?

All of these are rituals which are carried out by a Govenment backed by scholars who declare everything Bida'h. So where does this custom stand in Islamic Shariah?


:salam:

I heard a lecture from Sh. Ibrahim Madani about History of Ka'aba and this practice is even before the birth of our Prophet :saw: and the only difference is black and gold. wallahu a'lam

[Colonel_Hardstone]

:salam:

I heard a lecture from Sh. Ibrahim Madani about History of Ka'aba and this practice is even before the birth of our Prophet :saw: and the only difference is black and gold. wallahu a'lam

W-Salam Brother,

The question was for "Saudi Scholars" nervetheless this is for Shaykh Madani (DB).

"Does he accept Pre-Islamic customs as Islamic?"

[alfatiha]

W-Salam Brother,

The question was for "Saudi Scholars" nervetheless this is for Shaykh Madani (DB).

"Does he accept Pre-Islamic customs as Islamic?"

:ws:

My thought was if our Prophet :saw: didn't question it, why should we?

But I agree if the point to argue is why spend on this excessively when you can spend on others that need more.

[hope1]

Asslamo Allaikum,

The question should be asked to Saudi Scholars, "Isn't this Bid'ah?"

Where is the evidence that Kabah should be covered up?

Where is the evidence that it should be covered up in Black?

Where is the evidence that it should be beautifully covered in Gold?

Where is the evidence that it should be changed yearly?

All of these are rituals which are carried out by a Govenment backed by scholars who declare everything Bida'h. So where does this custom stand in Islamic Shariah?

Assalamu alaikum,
The Saudis and Salafis are full of contradictions when it comes to the concept of bidah. I fail to understand the usul they employ to come to their conclusions.

[Dawood82]

This was done during the lifetime of the Prophet Salallahu aleyhi wa sallam, who did not disapprove of it.

[martyr]

Assalamu alaikum,
The Saudis and Salafis are full of contradictions when it comes to the concept of bidah. I fail to understand the usul they employ to come to their conclusions.

the problem is they dont employ any usool. they just rely on aql

[KUmair]

JazakAllah, for that borther. But i've always had the question in mind when I see it. The saudi Gov't spend thousands of riyals on it, while there are people in the world who are dying of hunger. I am not talking about calamities, or unclean water, or anything else, but simply of no food to feed themselves, and here we are spending thousands on something that is by comparison, unimportant. I am not saying that Ka'ba is unimportant, naoozubillah. But there is hadeeth of the Prophet :saw: , which says that the sacntity of a Muslims life, is much greater than the Ka'ba. Personally I don't think it is an appropriate practice, at the moment. Once this problem is solved Inshallah, then we can spend all we want on it. But for the moment I think it is not necessary.

[nadeem5476]

This was done during the lifetime of the Prophet Salallahu aleyhi wa sallam, who did not disapprove of it.

kindly quote the authentic reference please.
jazak ALLAH

[Abu_Tamim]

kindly quote the authentic reference please.
jazak ALLAH

Sirat Ibn Hisham.
Akhbaar Makka by Faa'kihi.
Akhbaar Makka by al-Azraqi.

[nadeem5476]

r these sources AUTHENTIC ??
m hearing these names for the first time infact !
quote the book name from saha sitta
that Mohammed (s.a.w) ordered to change kiswa every year !
waiting.

[nameuser]

Asslamo Allaikum,

The question should be asked to Saudi Scholars, "Isn't this Bid'ah?"

Where is the evidence that Kabah should be covered up?

Where is the evidence that it should be covered up in Black?

Where is the evidence that it should be beautifully covered in Gold?

Where is the evidence that it should be changed yearly?

All of these are rituals which are carried out by a Govenment backed by scholars who declare everything Bida'h. So where does this custom stand in Islamic Shariah?

:bism:

:jazak: for this information..

[Abu_Tamim]

r these sources AUTHENTIC ??
m hearing these names for the first time infact !
quote the book name from saha sitta
that Mohammed (s.a.w) ordered to change kiswa every year !
waiting.

Lack of knowledge seems to be endemic in our youth. How far must one be from the Prophet:saw: to not know Ibn Hisham's biography of Rasulullah?
Also there is nothing called "saha sitta". Perhaps you are talking of the Kutub al Sihah, also called the "Sihah Sittah". Details about the kiswa and its history cannot be found in books of hadith. They are found in the books of the Ahl Tareekh and the Ahl Khabar, such as the ones I named.
:ws:

[At Tayyib]

r these sources AUTHENTIC ??
m hearing these names for the first time infact !
quote the book name from saha sitta
that Mohammed (s.a.w) ordered to change kiswa every year !
waiting.

When was the last time you changed your clothes? Can you present any proof for changing clothes.

[Abu_Tamim]

:bism:

:jazak: for this information..

:salam:

The good Colonel was arguing for the sake of arguing. The kiswa has been there from pre-Islamic times and was allowed to stay by the Prophet :saw: and the Salaf.

Imam Maalik narrated in his Muwatta` regarding the Imam of the Sunnah, Sayyiduna 'Abdillah ibn 'Umar thus:

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi` that 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar used to drape his sacrificial animals in fine Egyptian linen, saddlecloths and sets of clothing, which he would afterwards send to the K`aba and have the Ka`ba draped with them." book 20, hadith 149.

"Yahya related to me from Malik that he asked `Abdullah ibn Dinar what `Abdullah ibn `Umar used to do with the drapings of his animals when the Ka'ba began to be draped with the kiswa, and he said, "He gave them away as sadaqa." book 20, hadith 150.

For the fellow who was talking about the six authentic books, I hope he knows that Imam Malik's Muwatta is also an authentic book. It is not mentioned in the six because most of its hadith are found in Bukhari and Muslim. Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlawi said that the most authentic book after the Qur'an was the Muwatta'.
:ws:

[nameuser]

:salam:

The good Colonel was arguing for the sake of arguing. The kiswa has been there from pre-Islamic times and was allowed to stay by the Prophet :saw: and the Salaf.

Imam Maalik narrated in his Muwatta` regarding the Imam of the Sunnah, Sayyiduna 'Abdillah ibn 'Umar thus:

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi` that 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar used to drape his sacrificial animals in fine Egyptian linen, saddlecloths and sets of clothing, which he would afterwards send to the K`aba and have the Ka`ba draped with them." book 20, hadith 149.

"Yahya related to me from Malik that he asked `Abdullah ibn Dinar what `Abdullah ibn `Umar used to do with the drapings of his animals when the Ka'ba began to be draped with the kiswa, and he said, "He gave them away as sadaqa." book 20, hadith 150.

For the fellow who was talking about the six authentic books, I hope he knows that Imam Malik's Muwatta is also an authentic book. It is not mentioned in the six because most of its hadith are found in Bukhari and Muslim. Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlawi said that the most authentic book after the Qur'an was the Muwatta'.
:ws:


:bism:

:subh:..Col. sahab is back..no wonder the forum seems too crowded...it is nice to see people are coming back..

ok back to the topic..ur claim seems to be authentic though..let's see how Col. sahab will refute ur claim...

[nameuser]

:salam:

The good Colonel was arguing for the sake of arguing. The kiswa has been there from pre-Islamic times and was allowed to stay by the Prophet :saw: and the Salaf.

Imam Maalik narrated in his Muwatta` regarding the Imam of the Sunnah, Sayyiduna 'Abdillah ibn 'Umar thus:

"Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi` that 'Abdullah ibn 'Umar used to drape his sacrificial animals in fine Egyptian linen, saddlecloths and sets of clothing, which he would afterwards send to the K`aba and have the Ka`ba draped with them." book 20, hadith 149.

"Yahya related to me from Malik that he asked `Abdullah ibn Dinar what `Abdullah ibn `Umar used to do with the drapings of his animals when the Ka'ba began to be draped with the kiswa, and he said, "He gave them away as sadaqa." book 20, hadith 150.

For the fellow who was talking about the six authentic books, I hope he knows that Imam Malik's Muwatta is also an authentic book. It is not mentioned in the six because most of its hadith are found in Bukhari and Muslim. Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlawi said that the most authentic book after the Qur'an was the Muwatta'.
:ws:


:bism:

seems very authentic post...if anyone wants to refute it can do so...

[rqsnnt]

:bism:
:salam:

Dr. shaheb done a very beautiful job. Here is more info about Kiswah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiswah)from non islamic site, but helpful.

:jazak:

[nameuser]

:bism:

:jazak:katheeran katheera for the cofirmation of its Authenticity...

:subh:looks like no one can beat dr.@abutamim..

[Abu_Tamim]

:subh:looks like no one can beat dr.@abutamim..

:astagh:
:inna:
:ws:

[nameuser]

:astagh:
:inna:
:ws:


:bism:

:astagh:..i didn't mean the whole world...i was addressing to @rq ( :mash:expert in refuting)since he agreed with ur claim wihout refuting it..

[sudoku]

^ I think Dr saheb is being humble here. :mash:

May Allah Ta'aala take us all one day to be able to see and touch His Ka'ba. Ameen.

[nameuser]

^ I think Dr saheb is being humble here. :mash:

May Allah Ta'aala take us all one day to be able to see and touch His Ka'ba. Ameen.

:bism:

:jazak:

dr.@abutamim is very short tempered..so i always take his comments serious...

[nadeem5476]

Lack of knowledge seems to be endemic in our youth. How far must one be from the Prophet:saw: to not know Ibn Hisham's biography of Rasulullah?
Also there is nothing called "saha sitta". Perhaps you are talking of the Kutub al Sihah, also called the "Sihah Sittah". Details about the kiswa and its history cannot be found in books of hadith. They are found in the books of the Ahl Tareekh and the Ahl Khabar, such as the ones I named.
:ws:

jazak ALLAH brother in ISLAM .
but the selection of words reflecting the intention of yours very clearly in ur post i quoted , i only wanted to know the AUTHENTIC reference and thats it . i dodnt say i have read all the saha sitta or siha sitta books !
you seem to always b ready to PICK word only . my brother , knowledge is not a property of any one , may b if you know something and i dont then it doesnt mean that you are superior and u r allowed to correct me in the way you did in ur post quoted above .
i know what is saha sitta , if i misspelled then there are other ways to point , well the point is still not cleared that WHY kiswa change each n every YEAR ??

in another post of yours you said that muta maalik is alsi in authentic 6 books ! please correct urself dear and you said right lack of knowledge is very much spreaded in our youth . the authentic six book names are Sunni Muslims view the six major hadith collections as their most important. They are, in order of authenticity:[1]
Sahih Bukhari, collected by Imam Bukhari (d. 870), includes 7275 ahadith
Sahih Muslim, collected by Muslim b. al-Hajjaj (d. 875), includes 9200 ahadith
Sunan al-Sughra, collected by al-Nasa'i (d. 915)
Sunan Abu Dawood, collected by Abu Dawood (d. 888)
Jami al-Tirmidhi, collected by al-Tirmidhi (d. 892)
Sunan ibn Majah, collected by Ibn Majah (d. 887)
source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_major_hadith_collections

so please try to quote from the saha sitta in ur next post and also refrain to spread wrong knowledge to the forum visitors that malik mouta is a saha sitta book .
jazak ALLAH .

[Abu_Tamim]

:bism:

:jazak:

dr.@abutamim is very short tempered..so i always take his comments serious...

Not short tempered sister, just irritable.
People like me are called "khadoos" in our culture.
:ws:

[nadeem5476]

:
For the fellow who was talking about the six authentic books, I hope he knows that Imam Malik's Muwatta is also an authentic book. It is not mentioned in the six because most of its hadith are found in Bukhari and Muslim. Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlawi said that the most authentic book after the Qur'an was the Muwatta'.
:ws:

you said that muta maalik is alsi in authentic 6 books ! please correct urself dear and you said right lack of knowledge is very much spreaded in our youth . the authentic six book names are Sunni Muslims view the six major hadith collections as their most important. They are, in order of authenticity:[1]
Sahih Bukhari, collected by Imam Bukhari (d. 870), includes 7275 ahadith
Sahih Muslim, collected by Muslim b. al-Hajjaj (d. 875), includes 9200 ahadith
Sunan al-Sughra, collected by al-Nasa'i (d. 915)
Sunan Abu Dawood, collected by Abu Dawood (d. 888)
Jami al-Tirmidhi, collected by al-Tirmidhi (d. 892)
Sunan ibn Majah, collected by Ibn Majah (d. 887)
source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_maj...th_collections

so please try to quote from the saha sitta in ur next post and also refrain to spread wrong knowledge to the forum visitors that malik mouta is a saha sitta book .

[Abu_Tamim]

jazak ALLAH brother in ISLAM .
but the selection of words reflecting the intention of yours very clearly in ur post i quoted , i only wanted to know the AUTHENTIC reference and thats it . i dodnt say i have read all the saha sitta or siha sitta books !
you seem to always b ready to PICK word only . my brother , knowledge is not a property of any one , may b if you know something and i dont then it doesnt mean that you are superior and u r allowed to correct me in the way you did in ur post quoted above .
i know what is saha sitta , if i misspelled then there are other ways to point , well the point is still not cleared that WHY kiswa change each n every YEAR ??

in another post of yours you said that muta maalik is alsi in authentic 6 books ! please correct urself dear and you said right lack of knowledge is very much spreaded in our youth . the authentic six book names are Sunni Muslims view the six major hadith collections as their most important. They are, in order of authenticity:[1]
Sahih Bukhari, collected by Imam Bukhari (d. 870), includes 7275 ahadith
Sahih Muslim, collected by Muslim b. al-Hajjaj (d. 875), includes 9200 ahadith
Sunan al-Sughra, collected by al-Nasa'i (d. 915)
Sunan Abu Dawood, collected by Abu Dawood (d. 888)
Jami al-Tirmidhi, collected by al-Tirmidhi (d. 892)
Sunan ibn Majah, collected by Ibn Majah (d. 887)
source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_major_hadith_collections

so please try to quote from the saha sitta in ur next post and also refrain to spread wrong knowledge to the forum visitors that malik mouta is a saha sitta book .
jazak ALLAH .

:inna:
You quote a kafir website to tell me which are the six authentic books of hadith. By the way, can you tell me how many fabricated narrations there are in the Sunan of Ibn Majah?

[Abu_Tamim]

Here. Read what your own website has to say about Malik's Muwatta' before mumbling about misinformation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muwatta_Imam_Malik

[nadeem5476]

When was the last time you changed your clothes? Can you present any proof for changing clothes.

kiddish reply from a senior member ! my GOD !
changing of my clothes are not in islam ! (mind it) and changing of kisswa is a sacred matter and each n every year on a SET date it is done since years !
so before posting your non sense things first atleast realise that where u r posting and what you are posting.
act like sensible.

dnt take it on heart , its an advice .

[Abu_Tamim]

And here is something about the Muwatta' from an Islamic site:
Importance of Muwatta & Its Position

This renowned and popular book of Hadith, on one hand, is the pioneering collection of traditions and on the other hand it enjoys a high ranking as per the authenticity of the traditions and the many more advantages. One can realize the importance of the book that, according to Ibnul Hubab, Imam Malik used to narrate one hundred thousand traditions and out of which only ten thousand were recorded in Muwatta. Thereafter, he continued making modifications until it was reduced to only 500 Ahadith. Abul Hasan bin Fahar has quoted the saying of Atiq bin Yaqub that earlier Muwatta contained ten thousand traditions, but Imam Malik kept on reviewing and excluding some of the traditions until it reached to the point where it is today. Due to untiring and tremendous efforts of Imam Malik his book earned popularity. People appreciated it and regarded its traditions as correct and authentic. Imam Shaf’ee pays tribute to him saying: "Muwatta of Imam Malik is most authentic after the book of Allah.” It is to be mentioned that this saying of Imam Shaf’ee dates to the period when Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim were not compiled. However, this quotation reflects the significance of Muwatta. Apart from Imam Shaf’ee, Imam Tahtawi also has termed Muwatta as ‘Al-Sahih’. It means that some scholars have regarded all the contents of Muwatta as authentic. His sincerity and piety also played a part to popularize his book. There were some people who tried to write books on his pattern. When he was informed of them he wished to see these books. Having seen the books, he remarked: "You should know that only the things are accepted by Allah which are based on true intentions and devotion." So, today no Muwatta of that time remains except that of Imam Malik. The below story also sheds some light on his purity of intention:

When caliph Mansoor came Hejaz for Hajj pilgrimage he requested that I want to ask people to prepare copies of your book and send them to different cities and command Muslims to follow them. Imam Malik prevented him to do so saying that the traditions have reached far and wide, and people are acting accordingly. Let them follow the way of their choice.

Imam Abu Na’eem Asfahani has mentioned a similar story related to caliph Haroon Al-Rashid and Imam Malik. Imam Malik says that Haroon requested him that Muwatta should be tied to the door of Ka’bah and people should be ordered to follow it. But, Imam Malik replied: "Do not do hat, the Companions themselves have differed in smaller details of Shariah and these opinions have spread in different cities."

These stories evidently prove that Imam Malik had true intention and sincerity. Had he wished fame he would have not missed this golden chance of spreading his book and his Fiqhi School in the Islamic world.
http://www.deoband.net/1/post/2011/5/muwatta-imam-malik-an-introduction.html

[nadeem5476]

And here is something about the Muwatta' from an Islamic site:
Importance of Muwatta & Its Position

This renowned and popular book of Hadith, on one hand, is the pioneering collection of traditions and on the other hand it enjoys a high ranking as per the authenticity of the traditions and the many more advantages. One can realize the importance of the book that, according to Ibnul Hubab, Imam Malik used to narrate one hundred thousand traditions and out of which only ten thousand were recorded in Muwatta. Thereafter, he continued making modifications until it was reduced to only 500 Ahadith. Abul Hasan bin Fahar has quoted the saying of Atiq bin Yaqub that earlier Muwatta contained ten thousand traditions, but Imam Malik kept on reviewing and excluding some of the traditions until it reached to the point where it is today. Due to untiring and tremendous efforts of Imam Malik his book earned popularity. People appreciated it and regarded its traditions as correct and authentic. Imam Shaf’ee pays tribute to him saying: "Muwatta of Imam Malik is most authentic after the book of Allah.” It is to be mentioned that this saying of Imam Shaf’ee dates to the period when Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim were not compiled. However, this quotation reflects the significance of Muwatta. Apart from Imam Shaf’ee, Imam Tahtawi also has termed Muwatta as ‘Al-Sahih’. It means that some scholars have regarded all the contents of Muwatta as authentic. His sincerity and piety also played a part to popularize his book. There were some people who tried to write books on his pattern. When he was informed of them he wished to see these books. Having seen the books, he remarked: "You should know that only the things are accepted by Allah which are based on true intentions and devotion." So, today no Muwatta of that time remains except that of Imam Malik. The below story also sheds some light on his purity of intention:

When caliph Mansoor came Hejaz for Hajj pilgrimage he requested that I want to ask people to prepare copies of your book and send them to different cities and command Muslims to follow them. Imam Malik prevented him to do so saying that the traditions have reached far and wide, and people are acting accordingly. Let them follow the way of their choice.

Imam Abu Na’eem Asfahani has mentioned a similar story related to caliph Haroon Al-Rashid and Imam Malik. Imam Malik says that Haroon requested him that Muwatta should be tied to the door of Ka’bah and people should be ordered to follow it. But, Imam Malik replied: "Do not do hat, the Companions themselves have differed in smaller details of Shariah and these opinions have spread in different cities."

These stories evidently prove that Imam Malik had true intention and sincerity. Had he wished fame he would have not missed this golden chance of spreading his book and his Fiqhi School in the Islamic world.
http://www.deoband.net/1/post/2011/5/muwatta-imam-malik-an-introduction.html

i didnt ask you to let me know the importance of imam maouta .
i said this is FOR SURE not in saha sitta and you should appologise spreading FAKE / WRONG knowledge.
i told you above , knowledge is not a meeraas of any one .
it is good to say sorry with a humble heart. ALLAH likes that (hope you will consider)

jazak ALLAH
advice for you ** try to think on a MACRO level of spreading authentic and true knowledge instead of proving oneself a superior most in the forum .

[Abu_Tamim]

i didnt ask you to let me know the importance of imam maouta .
i said this is FOR SURE not in saha sitta and you should appologise spreading FAKE / WRONG knowledge.
i told you above , knowledge is not a meeraas of any one .
it is good to say sorry with a humble heart. ALLAH likes that (hope you will consider)

jazak ALLAH
advice for you ** try to think on a MACRO level of spreading authentic and true knowledge instead of proving oneself a superior most in the forum .

After reading your posts, I am wondering why I am wasting time with you. What knowledge do you intend to spread at the Macro level when your own knowledge is at a Micro level? Khayr, I don't think that I need to discuss anything further with you.
Peace upon those who follow true guidance.

[nadeem5476]

After reading your posts, I am wondering why I am wasting time with you. What knowledge do you intend to spread at the Macro level when your own knowledge is at a Micro level? Khayr, I don't think that I need to discuss anything further with you.
Peace upon those who follow true guidance.

jazak ALLAH for your comments my brother in ISLAM . i love you for the sake of ALLAH only .
wassalaam .

[nameuser]

Not short tempered sister, just irritable.
People like me are called "khadoos" in our culture.
:ws:

:bism:

dr. @abutamim as sis. sudoku mentioned u were humble in ur comments..yes.. u are humble and always helpful and very respectful to ur fellow beings...:jazak:

[Abu_Tamim]

:bism:

dr. @abutamim as sis. sudoku mentioned u were humble in ur comments..yes.. u are humble and always helpful and very respectful to ur fellow beings...:jazak:

:ws:
:jazak: for the compliment, sister. May Allah make me as you have mentioned in your post and not expose me for what I really am.