Holy stones: aqiq

[Encaphlon]

Salaam alaikum

Is there any narrations which supports the postulate that some stones posseses some "powers"?

For example:

*aqiq multiplies the effect of ones salah
*aqiq gives luck
*Rubies calms you down
*Fairuz protects against evil eyes

etc

Barak allahu fek

[bugmenot]

:ws:
I doubt it very much...
All is controlled by Allah(swt), The Creator controls the created, simple as that.

[shajar]

Salaam alaikum

Is there any narrations which supports the postulate that some stones posseses some "powers"?

For example:

*aqiq multiplies the effect of ones salah
*aqiq gives luck
*Rubies calms you down
*Fairuz protects against evil eyes

etc

Barak allahu fek


The stone think comes from kufer and it is shirk, Muslims don’t believe on stone power they are idols of kufaars.

[laughinglion]

:salam:


:ws:
I doubt it very much...
All is controlled by Allah(swt), The Creator controls the created, simple as that.

bugmenot, your answer here is neither a negation nor an affirmation that different stones possess different beneficial/harmful attributes/properties


The stone think comes from kufer and it is shirk, Muslims don’t believe on stone power they are idols of kufaars.

Shajar, you have made some enormous claims without any substantiating proof.

Before you post a hasty, ill-considered reply an analogy for you. Is it true that different foodstuffs have (are given) different beneficial/harmful attributes/properties?

with peace

[bugmenot]

bugmenot, your answer here is neither a negation nor an affirmation that different stones possess different beneficial/harmful attributes/properties

It was an euphemism, and I completely agree with what the brother said"Muslims don’t believe on stone power they are idols of kufaars"

[abulayl]

Salaam alaikum

Is there any narrations which supports the postulate that some stones posseses some "powers"?

For example:

*aqiq multiplies the effect of ones salah
*aqiq gives luck
*Rubies calms you down
*Fairuz protects against evil eyes


yesterday one pandit(hindu pastor) was saying in a TV use so and so stones it will effect your jupiter, mars , this and that.

[laughinglion]

:salam:


It was an euphemism, and I completely agree with what the brother said"Muslims don’t believe on stone power they are idols of kufaars"

I really don't want to get into a discussion with you, because you are obviously one who considers his ill-informed opinion equates to truth, but what is your foundation for stating so unequivocally that different stones do not have varying beneficial/harmful attributes?

The fact is someone has asked a legitimate question and you have taken it upon yourself to furnish a definitive answer to that question, you either have proof for your claims or you setting yourself up as... Well, as one who declares things as halal/haram from himself....

Do you deny that different foodstuffs are given different beneficial/harmful attributes? If you do then you have gone against the sunnah. If you don't then what is your basis for deny that different stones are given various attributes?

with peace

[abulayl]

Do you deny that different foodstuffs are given different beneficial/harmful attributes?


yeah start to eat stones. :cheesygri

or hang banana on the hand .

[bugmenot]

:salam:
Exactly I deny all this and I'm proud of doing so. This is part of my faith.

Also that is why sometimes I feel closer to salafis, cause at least they respect tawheed.

[abulayl]

:salam:
Exactly I deny all this and I'm proud of doing so. This is part of my faith.

Also that is why sometimes I feel closer to salafis, cause at least they respect tawheed.

Bro why dont u join brother forum? go to user cp and apply for brother forum member ship. any moderator will contact u and verify ur gender.

[bugmenot]

:ws:
Well I tried twice; I have more than 200 posts but the request is still pending :confused: .

[Sohaib]

:salam:
Exactly I deny all this and I'm proud of doing so. This is part of my faith.

Also that is why sometimes I feel closer to salafis, cause at least they respect tawheed.

You should say I feel closer to salaf not salafis. cause salafis tauheed version is not correct.

[abulayl]

:ws:
Well I tried twice; I have more than 200 posts but the request is still pending :confused: .

post a thread in comment or suggetion section, moderaotr will see it then.

[bugmenot]

You should say I feel closer to salaf not salafis. cause salafis tauheed version is not correct.
:ws:
I reckon in matters like tawassul they are (too) restrictive, but otherwise I don't see any problems (but there are many kinds of salafis).
I prefer not to lengthen too much the discussion as it will be going astray of the topic.

[shajar]

We adopted several bidaha things and we follow our parents or grand fathers bidaha and we don’t care about how they adopted with wrong faith we just accepted with close eyes because they are our parents but Allah give us individual brains to use and verify our selves. In Quran there are several Anbia karam stories Allah point out for us, like kufaar follow his ijmaa they were considers they are on right path but they were not use brains to verify it self.

[SisterSabiha]

Stones are heavily a part of paganism, that alone is enough for me to abandon any practices involving relying on them.

[laughinglion]

Salaam alaikum

Is there any narrations which supports the postulate that some stones posseses some "powers"?

Barak allahu fek

:salam:

"And He has made everything in the heavens and everything on the earth subservient to you. It is all from Him. There are certainly signs in that for people who reflect." (Suratu'l-Jathiyah, 12; 45:12)

with peace

[not known]

:salam:

"And He has made everything in the heavens and everything on the earth subservient to you. It is all from Him. There are certainly signs in that for people who reflect." (Suratu'l-Jathiyah, 12; 45:12)

with peace

:salam:

its actually 45:13 and no way related to what is being discussed

[laughinglion]

:salam:

its actually 45:13 and no way related to what is being discussed

:salam:

45:12 according to the riwayat of Imam Nafi`ibn `Abdu'r-Rahman via Imam 'Warsh' (Abu Sayid `Uthman), may Allah be ever merciful to them.

In what way is it not related to what is being discussed?

with peace

[laughinglion]

:salam:

I have also heard a number of people say that wearing gold jewellery negatively effects the physiological functioning of the male, and conversly has beneficial effects on female physiology.

with peace

[QuestforthePath]

:salam:
I see brother laughinglion's point here.
If someone says that creatin stimulates muscle growth or omega3 fatty acids help control cholesterol no one will ask a proof from Sharia....

Wsalam

[bugmenot]

:hawla:

[abdulwahhab]

:salam:
I see brother laughinglion's point here.
If someone says that creatin stimulates muscle growth or omega3 fatty acids help control cholesterol no one will ask a proof from Sharia....

Wsalam

:salam:

Then bring scientific proof for the benefits of these stones. Otherwise, these are contrary to the sunnah and believing that they provide spiritual benefit is shirk.

Also from the examples provided:


*aqiq multiplies the effect of ones salah
*aqiq gives luck
*Rubies calms you down
*Fairuz protects against evil eyes
Only one of these four can be scientifically proven to be true or false (rubies having a calming effect). Belief in the others are all bid'ah at best and shirk at worst if there is nothing to support such things in the sunnah.

:ws:

[abulayl]

I have also heard a number of people say that wearing gold jewellery negatively effects the physiological functioning of the male, and conversly has beneficial effects on female physiology.

are these guys pagans or idol worshippers by any chance?

[QuestforthePath]

:salam:
Then bring scientific proof for the benefits of these stones.


This sounds reasonable :but what if science has not reached a point where it can proof these things. Science is not like our religion, which we know is complete.:alhamd:


:salam:
Otherwise, these are contrary to the sunnah and believing that they provide spiritual benefit is shirk.


How? Something not proven by science automtically becomes contrary to sunnah? never heard this logic before.



:salam:
Only one of these four can be scientifically proven to be true or false (rubies having a calming effect). Belief in the others are all bid'ah at best and shirk at worst if there is nothing to support such things in the sunnah.

:ws:

I think the principle here is that unless there is fadail of something proven from sunnah you can't claim that.
e.g. it would be extremely wrong to say that eating a banana on Monday gives you the thawab of tahajjud.
so yeah this statement "*aqiq multiplies the effect of ones salah" definitely requires proof from sunnah otherwise its wrong.


but then when I look at it from the other side, what is the definition of superstitions? Doesn't all this fall under superstitions which are not allowed in Islam.

[Encaphlon]

Salaam alaikum

Barak allahu feek for your answers..

So Rubies does have a calming effect? Is there any articles to read about this subject?


So aqiq isnt any holy stone in islam at all?

Please I beg you, do not discuss your relationships to the salaf, tawheed or what so ever here;)

Salam alaikum

[bugmenot]

Please I beg you, do not discuss your relationships to the salaf, tawheed or what so ever here;)
uh okay tawheed is not important, do as you wish Allah does not need you.

[QuestforthePath]

akhi Encaphlon, inshaAllah you will find the following article beneficial.

What kind of stone was on the Prophet's ring? (Allah bless him and give him peace) (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=8662&CATE=337)

Quoting from the article

"As for the ring of our beloved prophet, Muhammad, Allah bless and grant him peace; Muslim relates on the authority of Anas Bin Malik, Allah be pleased with him, that Allah's Messenger, peace and blessing be upon him, wore a sliver ring on his right hand, in it was an Abyssinian stone and he used to make the stone face his palm.3
Imam al-Nawawi said in his commentary on Sahih Muslim: "The scholars say ... an Abyssinian stone means a stone of onyx [ in which there is whiteness and blackness] or carnelian ('aqiq) because their mines are in Abyssinia and Yemen, or it is said [it means] that it's color was Abyssinian (i.e. black)."4 Some of the scholars among them al-Suyuti also said that Abyssinian means a kind of chrysolite with a greenish color which exists in the lands of the Abyssinians.5 This prophetic tradition is rigorously authenticated and one explanation for an Abyssinian stone is that it was carnelian ('aqiq), but it should be noted that there are no prophetic traditions which have been authenticated stating that the prophet, Allah bless and grant him peace, wore a carnelian ring. Shaykh Abdullah al-Lahji said in his commentary on al-Nabahani's Shama'il: "Everything that has been transmitted of prophetic sayings concerning carnelian rings, indeed none of it is authenticated; even if it's chains of transmission are numerous as the Hafiz Ibn Rajab said [Allah have mercy on him]."

[laughinglion]

:salam:


:hawla:

Yes, this is exactly my point. A point with which you seem to be in contention. Hardly surprising, I guess, when you have openly declared that your tawhid is closer to that of the 'salafis' than to that of 'ahlu's-Sunnah.'


:salam:

Then bring scientific proof for the benefits of these stones. Otherwise, these are contrary to the sunnah and believing that they provide spiritual benefit is shirk.

Also from the examples provided:

Only one of these four can be scientifically proven to be true or false (rubies having a calming effect). Belief in the others are all bid'ah at best and shirk at worst if there is nothing to support such things in the sunnah.

:ws:

What is scientific proof? Is it the combined experience of generation after generation of peoples throughout history or is it that which can be repeatedly measured in laboratory experiments? Or do you have some other definition?

I don't feel the claim is that in and of themselves stones/minerals/foodstuffs offer any particular benefit, but that used in combination with a number of other factors (e.g., 'exercise' regimens, diet, etc.) maybe more conducive to achieving desired states, be they physical, mental or spiritual. For example, the seat of bravery is said to be in the liver, thus eating certain foods/herbs and possessing particular minerals would in combination with martial/physical and 'spiritual exercises' lead to heightened bravery.

I would also like to remind you that it has been said that to have a stone of `aqiq/carnelian in a silver ring is a sunnah.


are these guys pagans or idol worshippers by any chance?

No, they are the same kind of guys who say wearing ties and long trousers is against the sunnah, they are in fact Deobandis. So please be a little more considerate with regard to who you cast your aspersions on.

with peace

[laughinglion]

:salam:

Here (http://books.google.com/books?id=hvx9jq_2L3EC&pg=RA1-PA410&lpg=RA1-PA410&dq=ibn+sina+and+minerals+semi+precious+stones&source=web&ots=FaDXTPy6Ey&sig=WBydeucvmXDaL4zA0a0E6KGX39Y#PRA1-PA410,M1)is a link that has some references to Muslim works on minerology. I have seen in my searches on the internet much interesting material on this subject, much of it though of doubtful reliability due to its compilation by new-agers, and some shi`a contributions. I will not provide links because I do not want to be seen to endorsing some of the misguided nonsense some of these sites contain.

I think a good approach to this subject is to study the material produced by the likes of al-Biruni, al-Jurjani, ibn Sina, etc., and cross reference by the study of the various traditional medicines (Chinese, Indian, Muslim, Native American, etc.) you will notice much commonality, this commonality is due to tried and tested experience in my view.

[abdulwahhab]

What is scientific proof? Is it the combined experience of generation after generation of peoples throughout history or is it that which can be repeatedly measured in laboratory experiments? Or do you have some other definition?
The same reasoning used for the consumption of food (e.g. makes a person stronger, improves memory, etc.)... this kind of scientific proof. And deriving any kind of perceived spiritual aid from these stones is at the very least bid'a and shirk at the most.


I don't feel the claim is that in and of themselves stones/minerals/foodstuffs offer any particular benefit, but that used in combination with a number of other factors (e.g., 'exercise' regimens, diet, etc.) maybe more conducive to achieving desired states, be they physical, mental or spiritual. For example, the seat of bravery is said to be in the liver, thus eating certain foods/herbs and possessing particular minerals would in combination with martial/physical and 'spiritual exercises' lead to heightened bravery.
Is there any evidence for this seat of bravery? Also, now we're just making stuff up. I can say that wearing a small locket is beneficial for you even though I just made this up. Would you still say it is beneficial, when your psychology is the one that makes it seem "beneficial" to you and any scientific clinical trial would put such fraud to rest?


I would also like to remind you that it has been said that to have a stone of `aqiq/carnelian in a silver ring is a sunnah.
How on earth do you go from permissibility of wearing the ring to deriving unknown and fabricated benefits from it? Are we going to say everyone should grow a beard because we get some magical benefit from it? Are we going to say that we should perform ghusl on Jumu'ah because it will increase the reward we get from prayer? These fabricated and false attributes sullies the sunnah.


No, they are the same kind of guys who say wearing ties and long trousers is against the sunnah, they are in fact Deobandis.
Do you not believe that wearing trousers below the ankle is against the sunnah? After all, there are ahadith relating to the prohibition of wearing trousers below the ankles and no ahadith regarding the benefits of these stones.

[Haaji_Abubakr]

As salaamu 'alaykum, besides the bickering, I would also like to know more about the wearing of carnelian (aqeeq) and turquoise (firoza) rings because I've seen many 'ulema and famous Muslim personalities wear them in the past; many times I see different turuq wear these rings so often that it appears to be a sunnah.

It would be beneficial if akhi Khanaba or Mufti Husain could clarify this.

[Saad]

:salam:

This is what is mentioned on Ask-Imam.


6) RasoolAllah(Saw-PBUH) used to wear Akik ring ( Agate-Carnelian) can we wear, is it sunnah and good to wear. JAZAK-ALLAH.

It is not Sunnah for ordinary men to wear a ring. It is better not to. It is only Sunnah for the Qaadhi (judge) or Haakim (ruler) of an Islamic state.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=aa50ffae5c88f4b435c627174936fc70

[Intrepid]

:salam:

This is what is mentioned on Ask-Imam.


6) RasoolAllah(Saw-PBUH) used to wear Akik ring ( Agate-Carnelian) can we wear, is it sunnah and good to wear. JAZAK-ALLAH.

It is not Sunnah for ordinary men to wear a ring. It is better not to. It is only Sunnah for the Qaadhi (judge) or Haakim (ruler) of an Islamic state.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=aa50ffae5c88f4b435c627174936fc70

According to the majority of the Ulama it is permissible to wear a ring made made of silver. In the early stages, Rasulullah SAW did not have a ring made, until it was known that the kings of Persia and other countries did not accept or take into consideration letters that had no seal (stamp) on them. The Prophet SAW begun sending letters to the kings inviting them to Islam, and for this a seal (stamp) was made in the sixth or seventh year Hijri.

The Ulama give different opinions on the wearing of the ring. SomeUlama say that it is Makruh (offensive) for any person besides the king and judge to wear a ring. Besides them it is permissible for others, but better not to use it. The reason is evident that Rasulullah SAW only made one when it became necessary, before he began sending letters to the kings. Infact, the great Muhadditheen - Imam Abu Dawud RA, as well as other Ulama have stated that besides the kings, others are prohibited from wearing a ring.


:salam:
Exactly I deny all this and I'm proud of doing so. This is part of my faith.

Also that is why sometimes I feel closer to salafis, cause at least they respect tawheed.

Initially the Salafis also appealed to me for the above mentioned reason, but if you scratch below the surface you realize they're just a bunch of 17th century charlatans. The only problem we have is that our, ahle sunnah wal jamaat in the subcontinent at least, beliefs/ traditions have been tainted with our brelvi ancestry.

And who keeps on deleting my posts ! I thought the last one was quite funny.

[Haaji_Abubakr]

:salam:

This is what is mentioned on Ask-Imam.



http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=aa50ffae5c88f4b435c627174936fc70

wa 'alaykum salaam and barakallah feek yaakhi.

[Elias Saif]

In one Narration, Hajrat Omar (R.A) said while kissing the black stone i.e. Hajr E Aswad, that Oh ! black stone I am kissing you because the messenger of Allah has kissed, you can neither benefit me nor harm me. So, this shows that stones have no power, In fact Allah (SWT) is all powerful. Today in different parts of the world mostly in India, people are being fooled by saying that wear stones & your luck will change. This way some people are becoming very rich. Please don't trust anyone who says such thing.

[Abbe]

Salamu aleykum Haaji_Abu Bakr
I see you are shafi'i. In the shafi'i school its sunna for all men to wear a silver ring. It is sunna to wear it on the right hand and to have it on the little finger (pinkie). If it is a signet ring its sunna to turn the signet towards the palm.

According to the shafi'is the Prophet salla Allahu aleyhi wa sallam had two rings, one seal ring that he didn't use to wear, and another that he used to wear.

[abulayl]

According to the shafi'is the Prophet salla Allahu aleyhi wa sallam had two rings, one seal ring that he didn't use to wear, and another that he used to wear.

Actuelly wearing or not wearing is not the question. But telling you will get this and that is the question.

[Sohaib]

:ws:
I reckon in matters like tawassul they are (too) restrictive, but otherwise I don't see any problems (but there are many kinds of salafis).
I prefer not to lengthen too much the discussion as it will be going astray of the topic.

:salam:

Sorry brother for once again going off topic. It is also true that they do ghulove in Tauheed.

[Muawiyah]

Dear bros, this tendency to ascribe shirk to Muslims without hesitation is in itself a major mistake. Do you really think believing that a certain mineral has certain properties is the same as "worshipping a stone"?

That said, don't the first two claims seem to be quite dodgy? In what way does Aqiq multiply the effect of salah? "How to pray the salah" is the domain of the fuqaha not the domain of the exorcists or amulet sellers or the likes. And "good luck" even when the claim is much less than this, like some mashaikh have written that the one who visits the ruler for a need of his should wear a particular stone dipped into a particular scent, how much influence could that have? And if it works on one ruler, what's to say that it'll work on another?

In my experience, people who are strong believers in the powers of various stones invariably lead very hard lives and (are not the most pious of people - Naudhubillah)

[abulayl]

Dear bros, this tendency to ascribe shirk to Muslims without hesitation is in itself a major mistake. Do you really think believing that a certain mineral has certain properties is the same as "worshipping a stone"?


"worshipping a stone" in the sence that idol worshippers says they will get something profit from it, though they also used to believe there is God.

[Sunni_Student786]

So let me get this straight.

According to many posters on this thread, unless the benefits of a thing, whatever those benefits may be, are spoken of expressly in the Sunnah, or "proven" by Science, to believe that those things contain those benefits, is bidah and/or shirk?

Consider this example. I may believe, through trial and error or inherited wisdom, that eating sheep brains increases one's intellect. I have no support for this from the Quran and/or Sunnah. Furthermore, as of right now, no "scientific" evidence can be furnished in support of my view. But I continue to eat the Sheep's brains thinking that it will increase my intellect, just like how I believe that Fiber will lower my cholesterol, i.e. I recognize that Allah is the ultimate doer of all things, but that this is the wordly means for the acquisition of a particular end willed by Allah.

In the example above, am I committing bidah and/or shirk?

[abulayl]

So let me get this straight.

According to many posters on this thread, unless the benefits of a thing, whatever those benefits may be, are spoken of expressly in the Sunnah, or "proven" by Science, to believe that those things contain those benefits, is bidah and/or shirk?


didn´t get u what u mean.

[NNoor]

Salam,

He means to say that it seems people are writing off the wearing of these stones to gain some kind of benefit as bida or shirk just because they are neither mentioned in the quran or hadith nor scientifically/empirically proven to bring said benefit. However, the same people do not object to, for example, to taking penicillin to fight off infection because, while it is not mentioned in quran or hadith, it has been scientifically proven. I think his point is that while science has not proven that a given stone brings a certain benefit, it may as yet do so, and in either case it does not become shirk or bida so long as the person recognizes that the stone does not provide benefit of itself, but that benefit is given by Allah; and this is a certain belief of any Muslim, that even though one event or substance consistently precedes another, it cannot be said that the prior is the cause and the latter is the effect, because Allah causes all things.

However, since it is the custom Allah has implemented in the universe, one can, for instance, reasonably expect that taking penicillin will cure a staph infection. A more classical example is that it is reasonable to dip a white cloth in purple dye and expect the cloth to turn purple, while believing that it is not the dye which confers color to the cloth, but Allah.

So why is it so hard to believe a particular stone brings a certain benefit, by Allah's will, especially if experience or science can prove that it does? Unless of course they are believed to bring benefit in the deen, i.e. reward from Allah, in which case there would have to be some basis in the quran or sunnah.

[bugmenot]

:salam:
ok so some stones benefit us, other harm us. And some stars benefit us, other harm us. And some status benefit us, other harm us.

Reminds me of something...

[abulayl]

So why is it so hard to believe a particular stone brings a certain benefit, by Allah's will, especially if experience or science can prove that it does? Unless of course they are believed to bring benefit in the deen, i.e. reward from Allah, in which case there would have to be some basis in the quran or sunnah.

IF science can proof, then let it be. But not assuming this may do that.

[NNoor]

Salam,


ok so some stones benefit us, other harm us. And some stars benefit us, other harm us. And some status benefit us, other harm us.

Reminds me of something...

Well first of all, this post is not a real answer to the argument made by Sunni_Student786. Do you at least agree that the relationship of medicine to cure can be analogous to a stone and some (physical) benefit? And that this cannot be considered bida? Of course, when it comes to spiritual or deeni benefit, then it becomes bida if there is no basis at all in the sunnah, since it cannot be proven by other methods (science or experience).

And just for the record, I'm with you; I don't use stones and I don't plan to unless there's some real evidence that they do what some people claim they do. But again, as long as the expectation is of some physical benefit, it's not bida (given you believe that all power lies with Allah). I was just explaining that Sunni_Student786 made a valid argument.

[abulayl]

Salam,
Well first of all, this post is not a real answer to the argument made by Sunni_Student786. Do you at least agree that the relationship of medicine to cure can be analogous to a stone and some (physical) benefit? And that this cannot be considered bida? Of course, when it comes to spiritual or deeni benefit, then it becomes bida if there is no basis at all in the sunnah, since it cannot be proven by other methods (science or experience).


If people wanna know sciencetific proof, they should ask for it to Doctor, and not in SF. SF handles the belief whihc has to do with Islam. =)

So from Islamic view there is nothing like holy, or which will effect our ibadah.And stones has been not used by sahaba as medicine, For that quran verses were present.

People can use medicine from scintific view, and not from ISlamic view by thinking it is holy.

And the main purpose of this thread was getting knowledge from Islamic view like increasing reward of salah or will bring good luck. From scientific method these things also has no value.

[ZeeshanParvez]

:salam:
Before you post a hasty, ill-considered reply an analogy for you. Is it true that different foodstuffs have (are given) different beneficial/harmful attributes/properties?
with peace

Very interesting. Yes, foods do have certain beneficial affects. And that does not mean that one commits shirk when he acknowledges those benefits. Quite simply becuase as Muslims we agree that anything in the world can hold benefit, but that benefit has been put into that thing by God.

And this is a very good analogy. If we think along these lines, then yes rocks could contain benefits, but it would be neccessary to keep in mind that those benefits have been put into the rocks by God.

[ZeeshanParvez]

As for the brothers who claim that the benefits should not be thought about until science proves it, I would like to remind them that

Science is the act of infering information from our observed enviornment.

Hence, if someone finds that a stone is providing benefit, he can infer that God has infused the stone with certain benefits. Just like talcom powder has benefits. It helps fight blisters which form from heat. And talcom powder is derived from a rock.

Thus, this bickering of shirk and polytheism is really very immature and ungrounded.

[Abbe]

ACtuelly wearing or not wearing is the question. But telling you will get this and that is the question.

???