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abdushakur

11-03-2005, 09:27 AM

It's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone except security agenicies to have orchestrated 9/11, everyone needs to understand this fact. If you want my evidence i will be more than happy to provide it... Muslims have the worst men and i agree upon that, however without evidence NO ONE can blame muslims for any of these terrorist crimes. It's better that you just condemn these atrocities and refrain from blaming muslims without any proof..

{the above quote was taken from another thread on SF which was concerning another topic}

i have come across 4 views to date regarding the background/evidence for the plane bomb attacks on the World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon Building and the other 'downed' failed plane:

1. "It was definitely planned, orchestrated and committed by OBL and his followers in Al-Qaida"
2. "It was a non-muslim operation which was subsequently blamed on the muslims for political gain"
3. "Either America knew about an imminent external attack and turned a blind eye, or Allah taAla blinded their eyes to the imminent attack"
4. "I don't know who did it as the evidence is not clear or conclusive"

what i would like to know is how can ppl be so sure about either view 1. or view 2. ?
where is the hard evidence for either?

shouldnt a muslim withold his viewpoint until he comes across conclusive evidence?
the funny thing is, 3 and a 1/2 years on, the whole incident reads like a showdown between Messrs Bush and OBL....each of them taunting and hounding the other side....with the rest of the world caught in the middle....the firing ground....as onlookers or silent spectators.
OBL didnt even 'admit' to the attacks until last year....and even that 'admission' looked like a taunt rather than a genuine announcement.

why don't ppl have the courage to admit that they really don't know who carried out the attacks?

{N.B. at this moment in time i hold views 3 & 4}

ilm_seeker

11-03-2005, 10:31 AM

{the above quote was taken from another thread on SF which was concerning another topic}

i have come across 4 views to date regarding the background/evidence for the plane bomb attacks on the World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon Building and the other 'downed' failed plane:

1. "It was definitely planned, orchestrated and committed by OBL and his followers in Al-Qaida"
2. "It was a non-muslim operation which was subsequently blamed on the muslims for political gain"
3. "Either America knew about an imminent external attack and turned a blind eye, or Allah taAla blinded their eyes to the imminent attack"
4. "I don't know who did it as the evidence is not clear or conclusive"

what i would like to know is how can ppl be so sure about either view 1. or view 2. ?
where is the hard evidence for either?

shouldnt a muslim withold his viewpoint until he comes across conclusive evidence?
the funny thing is, 3 and a 1/2 years on, the whole incident reads like a showdown between Messrs Bush and OBL....each of them taunting and hounding the other side....with the rest of the world caught in the middle....the firing ground....as onlookers or silent spectators.
OBL didnt even 'admit' to the attacks until last year....and even that 'admission' looked like a taunt rather than a genuine announcement.

why don't ppl have the courage to admit that they really don't know who carried out the attacks?

{N.B. at this moment in time i hold views 3 & 4}
As sallamu alaikum

The wills of the 19 Hijackers were released after the attacks took place and they were edited to show the explosions in the back ground. Also ObL and his associates have praised the attack and since they know about such operations I can only conclude that it really was Muslims who carried out the attack.

However, there have been some peculiarities in the whole thing, which has led me to believe that perhaps the US knew about it, but let it happen so as to give them the excuse they needed to wage their wars.

Allahu Alam.

Wa alaikum as sallam

Idrees

11-03-2005, 01:25 PM

Salaam
Bro
I have found a a nice video (kinda like a documentary), which is by a non muslim and it shows that it wasnt Osama Binladen, the person shows many proofs throughout the video, some of which i have neva heard of before, they are also very convincing) . it is quite slow int hat it repeats a few points over again but its good as it sticks in ur head.
Also Most of u lot are american so the accent of the guy shudnt get on ur nerves like it did for me, netherless u get use to it.

To understand the video properly u must watch the whole video
it is in 8 parts which are split down into 10 minute files , so it is easier to download.

remember to 'right click, save target as'

the video is called 9/11 Painful Deceptions - 256k - and is 91.3 MB in total (all 8 files equal this)
the links are:-

http://www.islamicthinkers.com/audvid/files/911.wmv
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/audvid/files/911-001.wmv
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/audvid/files/911-002.wmv
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/audvid/files/911-003.wmv
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/audvid/files/911-004.wmv
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/audvid/files/911-005.wmv
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/audvid/files/911-006.wmv
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/audvid/files/911-007.wmv

Please post ur feedback on what u think of this video, ur views etc.

i personally think this video has made some valid points

o yeh, heres (http://img126.exs.cx/img126/508/911cover2eu.th.jpg) the cover for the video

mod: snipped picture

abdul518ca

11-03-2005, 01:50 PM

No matter what, one thing is for sure; the Pentagon was NOT hit by an airplane. It's a fact that Bush and Co. are lying about the Pentagon thingy. Then what is the guarantee that they'll not lie to us about the OBL and al-Qaeda theory?

The wills of the 19 Hijackers were released after the attacks took place and they were edited to show the explosions in the back ground. Also ObL and his associates have praised the attack and since they know about such operations I can only conclude that it really was Muslims who carried out the attack.
Muslims who drink. Muslims who make-out with their girlfriends the night before the attacks. :confused:

As for OBL, I don't know what to say about him. He WAS a former agent, and still probably is. He's a more of a puppet, to be blamed for everything which happens on this World.

Concerning the 4 choices, I would go with no. 4. There is most certianly a level of deception involved in this, thus, it's hard to figure out the truth.

Ahmed

11-03-2005, 02:27 PM

http://www.ntlworld.com/partners/itn/britain/story329125.php
how many more fabrications,innocents out there,lives ruined by media lies

Noor ul Islam

11-03-2005, 02:32 PM

AssalamuAlaikum,
My uncle (now retired) was a senior pilot swears on the fact that this act could only be performed by remote controlled planes. He is a very experienced pilot and says that this kind of chip can only be installed in the planes that attacked(so called) the twin towers.
Anothe valid point is that he says that if we deviate from our scheduled course for even few miles the whole radar system becomes active. How come the planes deviated so much from their scheduled course and no action was taken by the traffic control of the country that is the Supermost power of the world.
Furthermore I would add that the story of the thousands of Jews who worked there either cancelled their appointments or for some mysterious reason escaped the inevitable. This story is told by so many Pakistanis living there. I gather that this question was published in the local papers too but for some resons it was hushed down. Anyways the last point maybe right or wrong but the first two points are quotes from an authentic sourse.WAllahu Alim Bissawaab.Wassalam.

Sadiq

11-03-2005, 02:34 PM

Lets worry about the things that matter.

You will not be asked about this on the day of judgement, will you?...hmm...

Its good to be aware, but not spend too much time on such issues.

9/11 was a wakeup and it opened the eyes to many muslims and non muslims...

Idrees

11-03-2005, 02:40 PM

All the points mensioned above has been answered in that video i posted above,
it mentions everything, belive me , download it
its more like a video type powerpoint presentation.

Ahmed

11-03-2005, 02:41 PM

like i said to a brother ,lets worry and act to within our circle of influence

ilm_seeker

11-03-2005, 02:47 PM

Ahmed

11-03-2005, 02:53 PM

also plenty in the current affairs nwo thread ,but i say to remove darkness we must bring in light ,darness itself cant be removed,the light of quran hadith will remove these dark days inshaallah

Idrees

11-03-2005, 03:07 PM

As sallamu alaikum

I just finished watching the videos and I thought that they raised some very valid points. Allahu Alam.

Wa alaikum as sallam

Others shud view them they explain the points in detail.
I think the hard conclusive evidence ur after canthinofausername are in these videos.

Tell me Ilm Seeker, the points they made, hav u heard of all of them b4?
They were some in there which i havnt heard before but are very good, especially the pentagon one and tower 7 ones.

Idrees

11-03-2005, 03:09 PM

also plenty in the current affairs nwo thread

Bro i think that this video is different to the ones in the new world order thread.

Ahmed

11-03-2005, 03:23 PM

thanks brother.

abdul518ca

11-03-2005, 03:35 PM

My uncle (now retired) was a senior pilot swears on the fact that this act could only be performed by remote controlled planes. He is a very experienced pilot and says that this kind of chip can only be installed in the planes that attacked(so called) the twin towers.
True. Imagine the skill required, you and your 19 friends have to hijack 4 diff. planes, at the same time, and hijacking without any weapons is no easy task. You've to pilot a 757 into a building, you're able to do this, but still you failed your Cessna exam. You've plotted an attack that will kill thousands of Americans, but yet, not a single piece of information is left on paper. These 19 hijackers never even met each other! How can they plan such a thing by themselves, with no communication.

To hijack 4 planes, you need atleast 4 specialist pilots. Remember Air Force One, only 1 guy knew how to fly. The others guarded the cockpit, etc. None of the 19 hijackers were specialists.

7 of the 19 hijackers have been found ALIVE. 2 of the 19 had US Navy/Military base addresses on their ID Cards; which shows that the US created up their identities.

Mr. Al-Omari, "A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking as well as being dead and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001

As for the Pentagon thingy, the Americans say that the pilot flew a 120-feet, 757, inches above the ground, at 400MPH. They also stat that this pilot failed his Cessna exam, and his alleged trainer says that he showed no interest in trying to land a plane, he wanted to know only how to fly it.

Furthermore I would add that the story of the thousands of Jews who worked there either cancelled their appointments or for some mysterious reason escaped the inevitable.

This is untrue. Many rumors have been circulated, including one about thousands of Pakistanis that failed to show up on 9/11.

Ahmed

11-03-2005, 03:55 PM

i showed " in plane sight "to a non mulslm friend of mine ,he turned around shocked,and started emailing his mates,indestructible pentagon lawn ,no skidmarks :cheesygri

Idrees

11-03-2005, 04:40 PM

The points brother abdul518ca made are also on the video i posted. (in detail)

faqir

12-03-2005, 08:01 AM

Asalamu alaykum,

"War is deception" - Hadith

It was highly unlikely that in the immediate aftermath of the WTC attack when the U.S. was threatening to invade Afghanistan that UBL would admit to his involvement in this crime. This is perhaps why he initially denied being involved in the interview published in Ummat Karachi newspaper in late Sept. 2001. Even then by October he was saying in his tape to al-Jazeera "When Almighty God rendered successful a convoy of Muslims, the vanguards of Islam, He allowed them to destroy the United States." And, since then there have been numerous other tapes aired on al-Jazeera where UBL states "we decided to destroy the towers in America" [this tape was aired in late 2004]. Then there were the wills of 19 martyrs and so on...

Furthermore, UBL and his colleagues made their intentions clear in the infamous "fatwa" given in 1998 as reported in Al Quds Al Arabi :

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is the methodology employed by UBL and his crew so why then does it come as a surprise that he should be involved in the WTC attack?

I agree that until proven in the courts a person should be considered innocent. However, in this case UBL seems to have pleaded guilty on numerous occasions. Regarding CIA involvement, it is a possibility - after all UBL was CIAs man in the days of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Perhaps, knowingly or unknowingly he has fallen into their trap?

And Allah knows best.

ilm_seeker

12-03-2005, 10:28 AM

As sallamu alaikum

I don't think that we should accuse ObL of being a current or previous CIA agent as he himself has denied that and theres no proof of it. I' am not sure what the Islamic procedure for attaining proof of his involvement in the attacks is, but as far as I know he hasn't clearly said "Yes I planned, finanaced and trainined the men for that attack". Allahu Alam.

Br. Idrees, I didn't know about the building 7 collapse and the more recent Pentagon theories. However, I was aware of theories that the TTs collapsed by detonataion.

Wa alaikum as sallam

Abu Suliman

17-03-2005, 06:00 PM

Asalam o alaikam ive seen the in plane site video and it is very good because it shows how firefighters were saying they heard loud bangs before the towers went down obviuosaly these bangs were caused by bombs.
also on the video it shows that the plane was seen by eye witness before it hit the first tower and he said live on fox news that the plane had no windows,so that means it was not a commercial plane and on that video it showed milatary planes similiar to the one that crashed into the trade center.
and also on the video it shows a building that was blown up before the towers went down this was live on cnn but no one has questioned why this building was blown up.
may be there was muslims on those planes but these buildings were not destroyed by planes but by dynymite as shown on that video eye witness accounts of loud bangs i reccomend everyone to see that video.
www.911inplanesite.com.

Idrees

23-03-2005, 11:03 AM

i reccomend everyone to see that video.
www.911inplanesite.com.

Has anyone got this 9/11 in plane site video on their computer?
or kno where u can download it from

Abu Suliman

23-03-2005, 04:37 PM

I think you can watch it on www.informationclearinghouse.com

Idrees

23-03-2005, 05:40 PM

jazakallah 4 da link
btw, its http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
wot about 'fahrenheit 9/11 themovie'
do you kno where to get that from
the link above no longer has this video

Striver

23-03-2005, 05:51 PM

Trailer:
>Google>farenheit 9/11 trailer>search...

Idrees

23-03-2005, 06:02 PM

^ wot about the full movie?

Xaxerian

25-03-2005, 02:37 PM

JUSTIFICATION OF JIHAD WAGED AGAINST THE WEST
By Tahsin Noor. Dated 10th Safar 1426 al-Hijri; 21st March 2005 C.E.

To judge an event or occurrence, one has to take in each and every context of the specific happenings. The attacks on the World Trade Centre and Madrid were for one prime cause and niyaah i.e. intention - to exterminate the oppressive and tyrannical forces directly leading to the death and suffering of millions of Muslims all over the World.

The Prophet Muhammad :saw: exemplified this noble cause to exterminate such tyrannical forces himself, as instanced by his jihad and leadership of the most magnificent military resistance of all-time against the Quraysh after the Hegira - granting a superb and resounding victory unto the dawning noor of Islaam.

Similarly, as the Quraysh persecuted the Prophet :saw: and the earliest Muslimeen, may Allah {subhanahuwata'ala} reward and bless their noble souls, profusely - the United States and behind her, the forces of Europe, of which the Spanish regime at the time of the Madrid bombings was a leading member, have murdered, persecuted and tortured millions of Muslims all over the World, for the past century - through the following methods - (i) supporting and giving rise to the illegal birth of the rogue state of Israel, leading to the deaths of millions of Palestinians and the demolishment of their homes - (ii) - forcing sanctions and trade restrictions on Muslim populaces such as Iraq, leading to the recorded deaths of over 750,000 Iraqi children - (iii) - supporting oppressive and tyrannical regimes such as the one headed by Reza Shah Pahlavi of Iran in the years 1940s -1979, the barbaric kingdom of Saud, and numerous others, thus directly supporting the suffering and persecution of millions of Muslims - (iv) - waging military occupation and barbaric crusades against numerous Muslim countries, the latest victims of which are Iraq and Afghanistan.

Therefore - in order to stop and exterminate the oppressive and tyrannical activities of the United States and Europe, as highlighted in the instances above - it is necessary to conduct military struggles of all kinds against these barbaric forces - in order to establish true justice for the persecuted nations of this World. As a result, the noble and courageous bombings which occured on September 9/11 C.E. / Tuesday 23 Jumaada al-Thaany 1422 A.H. and the Madrid attacks are thoroughly justified and moreover, it is a duty for all Muslims to support such noble resistance against a tyrannical force aiming to murder and persecute millions of their suffering brothers and sisters all over the World. The World Trade Centre itself was the centre of the technocratic corps and financial heart of the United States, granting her the power and influence to wage its crusade and tyrannical persecution of millions of Muslims all over the World - therefore its destruction was of utmost importance and benefit to the Muslim resistance against the barbaric American force. Also, the Spanish regime was directly contributing to the military occupation of Iraq, influencing and causing the deaths of millions of Muslimeen - therefore an attack in the soul which it governs, such as the Madrid bombings, is completely justified as well - and benefit the resistance these attacks did indeed, as the aforementioned Spanish regime was voted out of governance and the mass-murdering Spanish forces were completely withdrawn from Muslim soil.

The following authentic Hadeeth of our Prophet Muhammad :saw: would do much to further illustrate the aforementioned points raised in this lecture -:

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him and his Household) was asked about the pagans being hit by night, and some women and children being killed in the process, and he replied, "They are from among them." [Transmitted as sahih i.e. authentic by Bukhari and Muslim]

This narration is directly in context with the recent attacks against Western strongholds; therefore it must be taken into consideration of any judgment based upon them.

May Allah {subhanahuwata'ala} grant victory and justice to the Islamic resistance waged against the tyrannical forces of the West. O Creator - please grant succour unto the suffering Muslimeen. Ameen.

faqir

25-03-2005, 02:46 PM

Asalamu alaykum Akhi,

Nice to see you again after a long break.

There are some serious problems with your post.

First of all, regardless of what the U.S. has perpetrated on the Muslims it does not allow us to transgress the limits of the Shariah.

We do not adopt the "Monkey see, Monkey do" attitude - refer to:

http://www.mereislam.info/2004/09/monkey-see-monkey-do-not-islamic-ideal.html

Furthermore, the deliberate targeting of civilians is not permitted.

The proof texts for this are many and I know you have seen them yourself:

http://webpages.marshall.edu/~laher1/TERRORISM.HTML

The hadith you have posted would need to be looked at in the context of all the other evidences from Qur'an and Sunnah. I have not seen the full hadith quoted yet but in any case, commentary on the circumstances behind the hadith need to be investigated. I am not certain and perhaps you can advise me if the hadith is referring to the siege of Ta'if and the use of catapults?

Wasalam.