Abu Bakr al-Jaza'iri?

[Muslimsister]

:salam:

I was wondering if anyone here had any knowledge about Abu Bakr Al-Jaza'iri? I heard he was a tablighi, but also a non-madhabi...???
Another person said he's maliki...? Is it the one and same person i'm talking about? I tried to do a websearch on him but with very little results...
:jazak:

Ws,
Umm Abderrahman

[Mossy]

Are you talking about the one who died in 1999?

[Omar_Farouk]

:salam: I found this, i dont know if its the same person, :confused: it says in the link that he passed away in 1999 as brother mossy said.

http://www.sunnah.org/history/Innovators/al_jazairi.htm

(i searched 4 it on google and its the first link that came up)

[Muslimsister]

Assalamu alaikum,
Jazakumullahu khairan, brothers for ur efforts...
My problem is, that i can't understand these "salafi" ppl and their divisions... There is a list of scholars beeing dirtributed in which it says that Abu Bakr al-Jaza'iri was a tablighi (and thus according to this list "a strayed one"), but it seems that he only made a positive remark about it, but still was some sort of non-madhabi scholar (salafi???).
Anyways, some arab tablighi brothers seem to regard this person as someone worthy to follow, so that's why i got into this research. I thought he, beeing an Algerian by origin, would have been a maliki scholar. I'm trying to gain knowledge of this particular madhab to be able to follow it (is there anyone here who could direct me to info, book etc... ???), so I thought this person (al-Jaza'iri) would have been someone to follow, if he'd been on the maliki fiqh...obviously not...

ws,
Ukhtukum

[ibnu Rashid]

Actually, that article is a extremely inaccurate and just shows how people can become so blinded by ta'assub. There's only one Abu Bakr al-Jaza'iri, and he is still alive. As a matter of fact, I sat in his dars in Masjid un Nabawi in 2003. The deobandi 'ulama in Pakistan know of him and praise him. He is not a non-madhhabi. At some madaaris they even teach from his book on tafseer, Aysar ut Tafaaseer.


All I have to say is, don't people have anything better to do than cause disunity and fasaad? For those who think they are doing a big service to this ummah by criticizing 'ulamaa, do they not fear that they are amongst those people whose wrong actions are beautified by the shaytaan?? Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) says:

And obey Allâh and His Messenger, and do not dispute (with one another) lest you lose courage and your strength depart, and be patient. Surely, Allâh is with those who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.). (Al-Anfal 8:46)

A simple rule in every matter is:

O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done. (Al-Hujurat 49:6)

FATABAYYANU!! FATABAYYANU!! FATABAYYANU!!

and in a different qira'ah,

FATATHABBITU!

Then after, if you want to say anything, then perhaps you may if you are of the required rank.


(this is not aimed towards one person in general) And just one simple thing for people to think about, before they go around doing jarh wa ta'adeel, like the muftis everyone are. Suppose someone has accepted Islam by the means of one of these scholars (whom you may be slandering), and has attained all their 'ilm from this one 'aalim. Then masha'Allah you mufti saabs come and do your "islaah" and start making accusations against that aalim. Now, tell me, what else does this person have left? You have destroyed his Islaam....Before doing all this stuff hikmah has to be used (and it clearly is not being used).

And just FYI, you may say salafis do it all the time. That's true, we don't justify it. BUT, find me one article written by Shaykh Abu Bakr al-Jaza'iri in which he criticizes (slanders) other 'ulamaa the way some of these mutasawwifs do. Or as a matter of fact, any article written of the sort written by Shaykh ibn Baaz or Shaykh ibn Uthaymeen.

May Allah protect us from causing disunity and fasaad, and making us lose Islaam more than we already have.

wassalaam

[Muslimsister]

Actually, that article is a extremely inaccurate and just shows how people can become so blinded by ta'assub. There's only one Abu Bakr al-Jaza'iri, and he is still alive. As a matter of fact, I sat in his dars in Masjid un Nabawi in 2003. The deobandi 'ulama in Pakistan know of him and praise him. He is not a non-madhhabi. At some madaaris they even teach from his book on tafseer, Aysar ut Tafaaseer.

Jazakallahu khairan for the info, it clears up some things... btw, what is ta'assub (sorry, am a new muslim, so don't know all)
According to your knowledge, is he then hanbali or maliki? Does he have some books i could refer to for knowledge?

ws,
ukhtukum

[Mossy]

How intriguing, he's still alive?

Ta'assub is overly prejudiced partisanship/bigotry. One's eagerness to defend one's side leads to a lack of objectivity and some rather nasty invective.

You'll see it now and then - the best advice I can give you as a new muslim is to never fall into the trap of believing you have been granted knowledge of the absolute truth, or that this cannot be found outside the framework of your thinking. Remember brotherhood/sisterhood and work with your commonalities of others at all times - negative comments/statements should only be conveyed or said as an ultimate last resort and with a positive result in mind.

edit: didn't spot the below edition. Fasaad means disunity/naughtiness ;)

[ibnu Rashid]

Ta'assub is overly prejudiced partisanship/bigotry. One's eagerness to defend one's side leads to a lack of objectivity and some rather nasty invective.

You'll see it now and then - the best advice I can give you as a new muslim is to never fall into the trap of believing you have been granted knowledge of the absolute truth, or that this cannot be found outside the framework of your thinking. Remember brotherhood/sisterhood and work with your commonalities of others at all times - negative comments/statements should only be conveyed or said as an ultimate last resort and with a positive result in mind.

Perfectly stated. Jazaakallah khayran.

[Omar_Farouk]

:confused: sorry didnt realise, i was just giving information that i found, it was wrong of me to do so without knowing its authenticity, :jazak: 4 pointing that out 2 me, whenever i make a mistake again please let me know as we are all here to learn. Wasalaam

[Muslimsister]

How intriguing, he's still alive?

Ta'assub is overly prejudiced partisanship/bigotry. One's eagerness to defend one's side leads to a lack of objectivity and some rather nasty invective.

You'll see it now and then - the best advice I can give you as a new muslim is to never fall into the trap of believing you have been granted knowledge of the absolute truth, or that this cannot be found outside the framework of your thinking. Remember brotherhood/sisterhood and work with your commonalities of others at all times - negative comments/statements should only be conveyed or said as an ultimate last resort and with a positive result in mind.

Jazakallahu khaiarn for your advice, brother!
I've been a muslim for soon 10 years, so i've already seen lots of this "ta'assub", i guess... I am (hopefully) aware that there is no such thing as an "absolute truth", but as we all come from different backgrounds, we tend to have a certain basic feeling of what suits us best, in certain limits of course.

I am very fond of the Deobandi Ulama, alhamdulillah, in all ways! May Allah raise them to high positions, amiin! They combine a mystic Islam and strict practice very well, mashaAllah!

Btw, i've seen someone here on the maliki madhab... can anyone advice on where to get knowledge?
ws,
Ukhtukum

[Mossy]

A nice place to start for the maliki take on things is Aisha Bewley's website:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ABewley/

I've been hearing good things about the Guiding Helper website too:

http://guidinghelper.com/

There are a few good books on it - the one by Yasin Dutton springs to mind as not too hard a read on the fiqh and quite nice (he's a convert too).

[Muslimsister]

:jazak:

[salman]

Sallamu Alaikum


Actually, that article is a extremely inaccurate and just shows how people can become so blinded by ta'assub. There's only one Abu Bakr al-Jaza'iri, and he is still alive.

Have you akhi made a detailed search across the world to see how many Al Jazairis there are?

Where did the books arise from that Shaikh Gibril quoted? Who was this Al Jazairi??