Keeping Beard Clean?

[Abdul]

A freind sent me this today. Why should the reply be?

"I would like to open my discussion with this hadeeth first of all... Just a simple one:

From ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood (radiyallaahu ’anhu) who said that the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “No one will enter Paradise who has an atom’s weight of pride in his heart.” A man said, “What if a man likes his clothes to look good and his shoes to look good?” He said, “Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means denying the truth and looking down on people.”

It is quite often that I always hear from my fellow Muslim brothers that one must grow his beard out and should never trim it.. But what if I don't look good with a long beard? Then, can I trim it to look nice and presentable? I know that as a Muslim male, that beards must be grown in order to follow Sunnah.. But at the same time, I think some Muslim brothers take it too far when they have curry dripping down their beards when they eat. Not alone to mention trying to get a job. A job is definitely not worth my deen, but can't I trim it to look at least acceptable? Because as Muslims, we definitely must be modest and must look our best, right? All I'm saying is that the beard thing can be sometimes used as a sense of pride.. which is something I do have mentioned in the hadeeth above..

Is it ok to keep the beard clean and not too long, because I am in a non-Islamic state?"

[Jawad_ Khan]

Dear Brother, who says u cant look decent and clean with a beard??!!! It is upto us to present ourselves with decency. Many sahaba(R.A.A.) used to trim their beards after one fist length. All of us should do that to make our beards look according to sunnah.

But just note this..... When u mention the Hadees in which Nabi e Kareem(SAW) says that Allah is beautiful and likes Beauty, we have to understand where this applies.

First of all we have to define what beauty is. It is understood that Nabi e Kareem(SAW) is the most beloved of all the creations of Allah(SWT). There's no one more dear and beloved of Allah(SWT) than our beloved Prophet.

If we love someone for eg our son or younger brother, we try to give him the best possible facilities and provide him the highest quality of Life. If Nabi e Kareem(SAW) is the most beloved of Allah(SWT) dont you think Allah(SWT) would give him the best possible looks and personality??? Hazrat Ayesha(R.A.A.) used to say some Ashaar which meant that "The women of egypt cut their fingers when they saw Hazrat Yusuf(A.S) but people have cut their necks and sacrificed their lives when they saw the Beauty of my Beloved(SAW)"

Brother its all about our priorities. Just remember that there's nothing more beautiful, decent and attractive than the Sunnah of Nabi e Kareem(SAW).

The Hadees you mentioned doesn't mean that if WE think something is not beautiful then we should leave it. Its not about our opinion. Beauty is defined by the actions of our beloved Prophet(SAW). The things which he adopted were beautiful, the one's he left and stopped us from adopting are not beautiful even if we think otherwise.

Dont judge Sunnah on the parameters of Beauty, rather Beauty should be judged on the parameter of Sunnah.

Just beleive in Allah(SWT). Be sure that if you adopt the actions of Allah's beloved(SAW) then woould not waste you. Rizq is given by Allah(SWT). You cant get Rizq by neglecting the Razzaq.

Just Remember.....


NAQSHE QADAM NABI(SAW) KAY HAIN JANNAT KAY RAASTEY
ALLAH(SWT) SE MILAATAY HAIN SUNNAT KAY RAATEY

Translation: The Footprints of Prophet(SAW) is the way to Jannah
Sunnah is the source of meeting Allah(SWT)

Beleive in Allah(SWT) and dont displease him, He would InshAllah give you Rizq from Unimaginable sources.....

May Allah(SWT) give Me and All of us the taufeeq to follow each and every sunnah......Aameen!!!

[not known]

would like to open my discussion with this hadeeth first of all... Just a simple one:

From ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood (radiyallaahu ’anhu) who said that the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “No one will enter Paradise who has an atom’s weight of pride in his heart.” A man said, “What if a man likes his clothes to look good and his shoes to look good?” He said, “Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means denying the truth and looking down on people.”

It is quite often that I always hear from my fellow Muslim brothers that one must grow his beard out and should never trim it.. But what if I don't look good with a long beard? Then, can I trim it to look nice and presentable? I know that as a Muslim male, that beards must be grown in order to follow Sunnah.. But at the same time, I think some Muslim brothers take it too far when they have curry dripping down their beards when they eat. Not alone to mention trying to get a job. A job is definitely not worth my deen, but can't I trim it to look at least acceptable? Because as Muslims, we definitely must be modest and must look our best, right? All I'm saying is that the beard thing can be sometimes used as a sense of pride.. which is something I do have mentioned in the hadeeth above..

Is it ok to keep the beard clean and not too long, because I am in a non-Islamic state?

:salam:

i doubt any good islamic man thinks that a clean shaven person is modest and looks best,


in shariah, the person who doesnt do sin, but feels sin is good, is a big sinner than the person who does sin and feels he has done a sin (al etidaal)


and regarding curry dripping down, its the reason which u liked to oppose beard, but believe me :alhamd: i got a long beard, i too leave in non-islamic state and the place i work is full of non-muslims (except 4 of more than 800) and i sometimes eat with my collegues and :alhamd: i never felt any problem

[Jawar]

Our Prophet Mohammad sallallaahu ’alayhi wa salaam have 4 fingers long black beard and it trimmed no mustache but there is mustache but very small hairs of mustache and it looks beautiful.

All companions keep long beards not more then 4 fingers and trimmed beard but jews and nisara beards they keep log as much they can keep they don’t trim or cut the beards hair like today Indian Sikh peoples they don’t trim the beards hairs they don’t allow to trim beard hairs in Sikh religion.

[Amina786]

:salam:

apart from all the posts above, everyone mentioned pretty much everything Alhumdulillah. But I just wanted to say that even though you keep a beard, you have to k,eep it clean and presentable. And that can be done even if you have a long beard. My husband has a long beard, and he maintains it and beautifies it. You can still make it look presentable by trimming any loose hair. We can not be like the Sikhs who just grow their beard and leave it, that's the difference in our madhab, we have to still clean it and maintain it.

:ws:

[Hamood]

What does cleaning the beard mean? Does it ever get so dirty that one has to clean it? : )

Honestly I don't think men should spend time in cleaning and beautifying their beards but that's just my personal opinion. There are simple techniques to keep the beard intact and decent-looking.

[hope_n_fear]

:salam:

It should also be noted that not everyone's beard is of the same nature.
Some people's beard is very thin, and can not be 'shaped'.
Alhamdulillaah for whatever the way Allaah has created us.

:salam:

[IbnShafiq]

:salam:

Just take care of your beard man:) Shampoo and conditioner:cheesygri , always carry a comb or a brush, use oil, and after you eat, clean your beard when you rinse you mouth.

Coconut oil is good, or almond oil. Olive oil has a strong smell

[someone]

A freind sent me this today. Why should the reply be?

"I would like to open my discussion with this hadeeth first of all... Just a simple one:

From ’Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood (radiyallaahu ’anhu) who said that the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “No one will enter Paradise who has an atom’s weight of pride in his heart.” A man said, “What if a man likes his clothes to look good and his shoes to look good?” He said, “Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means denying the truth and looking down on people.”

It is quite often that I always hear from my fellow Muslim brothers that one must grow his beard out and should never trim it.. But what if I don't look good with a long beard? Then, can I trim it to look nice and presentable? I know that as a Muslim male, that beards must be grown in order to follow Sunnah.. But at the same time, I think some Muslim brothers take it too far when they have curry dripping down their beards when they eat. Not alone to mention trying to get a job. A job is definitely not worth my deen, but can't I trim it to look at least acceptable? Because as Muslims, we definitely must be modest and must look our best, right? All I'm saying is that the beard thing can be sometimes used as a sense of pride.. which is something I do have mentioned in the hadeeth above..

Is it ok to keep the beard clean and not too long, because I am in a non-Islamic state?"


Assalam-o-Alaikum,

First of all, we have a choice. Who do we think should judge our actions? People or Allah Kareem? If one wants to please people then, yes, they should do what people like. But, if a person wants to please Allah Kareem then one must do what Prophet Sal-Allaho-Alaihi-Wasallam instructed us to do.

I remember reading somewhere, May Allah Kareem forgive any addition or subtraction, that a Sahabi RAA had only two long hair on his chin. Our Prophet Sal-Allaho-Alaihi-Wasallam once looked at him and smiled. He, RAA, thought that Prophet Sal-Allaho-Alaihi-Wasallam smiled because of the hair on his chin. So, he went ahead and cut them off.

When our Prophet Sal-Allaho-Alaihi-Wasallam saw him again, He, Sal-Allaho-Alaihi-Wasallam inquired why he did that. The sahabi RAA told the reason. Our Prophet Sal-Allaho-Alaihi-Wasallam said he smiled because there were two angels on his hair who swayed to and fro.

Don't worry about other Muslim brothers and their curry. Keep your beard one fist long and keep it neat and clean.

[shoeb.momin]

Salaam

One of my TJ brother had advised me to avoid combing hair & beard while standing, and do the combing in sitting position. Is it correct?

What is the islamic ruling on colouring, white hairs of skull & beard?

Some of our brother's get irritated if someone calls them ''moolaji'' bcoz of beard.
Why do people call bearded guys moolaji?
Moolaji Rehmatullah was one of the teacher of Mughal emperor Aurangzeb Rehmatullah.
He was one of the most reverred wali of his time therefore out of respect & dignity, in the earlier days non-muslims used to call bearded muslim ''moolaji'' .
One should not care about the comments of other and inturn pray for them.

[sahih-baba]

salam
i posted on this thread that:\

1. long beard doesn't mean dirty beard
2. the other madhhabs do not specify length for the beard. it may be short.


if the trigger happy moderator is truthful, then rather than deleting my post, it would be better responding to it in a civilised manner.

salam

[Intrepid]

Who defines beauty?

I just think the brother is looking for an excuse to shave his beard.

[hope1]

salam
i posted on this thread that:\

1. long beard doesn't mean dirty beard
2. the other madhhabs do not specify length for the beard. it may be short.


if the trigger happy moderator is truthful, then rather than deleting my post, it would be better responding to it in a civilised manner.

salam

Assalamu alaikum brother sahih baba,
Can you show me a quote where it says from the Shafi and Maliki madhab that a short beard is acceptable.
As far as I can understand trimming and shaving (both) in the Shafi madhab is makhruh - according to Imam Nawawi. Again a length is not specified but obviously he is not saying a short beard is ok - he is saying it is makhruh. And if we are to say one can shorten, then why not shave altogether as both are makhruh and not fulfill the sunnah.
As for the Maliki even though the a length is not mentioned it has be long. One cannot shorten it - at least that's what I understand from the Risala of ibn Abi Zayd (translated by Aisah Bewley). I believe something similar has been said by Moulana Bilal Ansari's Maliki teacher from Tunisia.
Please can you show me something which actually says a short bear is ok.

[sahih-baba]

wa'alaykumussalam warahmatullah

What is the correct posistion of the beard in the maliki madhab. Are
we allowed to trim, have a goetee or shave the hair on the cheeks?

Ustadh Abdullah says:

Abdullah ibn Abi Zaid says in his Risalah,

"And the Prophet (pbuh) ordered that the beard be left alone and
allowed to grow abundantly and that it not be trimmed. Malik
said: "And there is no objection in trimming from its length when it
becomes very long." And what Malik said, more than one of the
Companions and the Successors also said."

[Hashiyat al-'Adawi: 2/445]

According to Shaykh Al-'Adawi the order given by the Prophet (pbuh)
to let the beard grow long is indicative of encouragement, not
obligation. But he does say that if shortening the beard leads to
disfigurement (muthlah) - like making a man take on the appearance
of a woman - the order is taken to imply obligation in which case it
would be haram to shorten or shave it. However, if shortening it
doesn't lead to disfigurement, there is no sin in shortening or
trimming the beard.

He states that Ibn Naji considers it recommended to trim hair from
the width of the beard also when it grows too long.

'Adawi also states that some of the commentators on the Risalah
state that the beard being 'too long' is determined according to
custom in that if one's beard is longer than the average (Muslim)
man, then it is considered too long. In such a case, it is
recommended to trim what exceeds the norm, since it mars one's
appearance and one may be accused of seeking to be noticed (shuhrah)
as stated by Abu al-Hasan (another commentator).

But the general rule is that one should not touch the beard and let
it grow long.

As for when someone has only a short beard, 'Adawi relates that some
commentators rule that trimming such a beard is haram (forbidden)
just like shaving. Then 'Adawi states that the apparent context of
this opinion is premised on whether or not trimming or shaving it
produces disfigurement muthlah - like if doing so makes a man look
like a woman. So if disfigurement occurs, it would be haram. But if
it doesn't, then there will be no objection.

But in the case of the long beard, it is always recommended to trim
it when it exceeds the customary norm of men and mars a person's
appearance.

As for the goatee, the hair of this area should not be touched at
all. But remember to apply this ruling based on all that has been
mentioned.

[hope1]

wa'alaykumussalam warahmatullah

What is the correct posistion of the beard in the maliki madhab. Are
we allowed to trim, have a goetee or shave the hair on the cheeks?

Ustadh Abdullah says:

Abdullah ibn Abi Zaid says in his Risalah,

"And the Prophet (pbuh) ordered that the beard be left alone and
allowed to grow abundantly and that it not be trimmed. Malik
said: "And there is no objection in trimming from its length when it
becomes very long." And what Malik said, more than one of the
Companions and the Successors also said."

[Hashiyat al-'Adawi: 2/445]

According to Shaykh Al-'Adawi the order given by the Prophet (pbuh)
to let the beard grow long is indicative of encouragement, not
obligation. But he does say that if shortening the beard leads to
disfigurement (muthlah) - like making a man take on the appearance
of a woman - the order is taken to imply obligation in which case it
would be haram to shorten or shave it. However, if shortening it
doesn't lead to disfigurement, there is no sin in shortening or
trimming the beard.

He states that Ibn Naji considers it recommended to trim hair from
the width of the beard also when it grows too long.

'Adawi also states that some of the commentators on the Risalah
state that the beard being 'too long' is determined according to
custom in that if one's beard is longer than the average (Muslim)
man, then it is considered too long. In such a case, it is
recommended to trim what exceeds the norm, since it mars one's
appearance and one may be accused of seeking to be noticed (shuhrah)
as stated by Abu al-Hasan (another commentator).

But the general rule is that one should not touch the beard and let
it grow long.

As for when someone has only a short beard, 'Adawi relates that some
commentators rule that trimming such a beard is haram (forbidden)
just like shaving. Then 'Adawi states that the apparent context of
this opinion is premised on whether or not trimming or shaving it
produces disfigurement muthlah - like if doing so makes a man look
like a woman. So if disfigurement occurs, it would be haram. But if
it doesn't, then there will be no objection.

But in the case of the long beard, it is always recommended to trim
it when it exceeds the customary norm of men and mars a person's
appearance.

As for the goatee, the hair of this area should not be touched at
all. But remember to apply this ruling based on all that has been
mentioned.

Assalamu alaikum brother sahih baba,

JazakAllah for the response. (1) I agree that many (probably most) Malikis believe the lihya to be the goatee region - some disagree but that's fine its a matter of difference. Would be correct to say though that growing the sides is sunnah as the Messenger had it?
(2) I understand that the words of the Messenger to lengthen it is encouragement implying sunnah and not wujub - also a matter of difference, and that's fine.
(3) My question is here: "However, if shortening it doesn't lead to disfigurement, there is no sin in shortening or trimming the beard." - Since the words of the Messenger is "lengthen your beards" and if in certain cases there is no sin in shortening, then why should there be sin in shaving, if it does not cause disfigurement. How did the scholars come to the conclusion that shaving the goatee area is unlawful when the only type of statement regarding the lihya is to lengthen it, and that is taken to be a recommendation.

(4) Also brother sahih baba - is it alright to say that some Malikis believe that the lihya is the entire jawbone as mentioned by the Tunisian Maliki teacher of Moulana Bilal Ali Ansari?

(5) Would you also say based on the quote of Shaykh Adawi: "As for when someone has only a short beard, 'Adawi relates that some
commentators rule that trimming such a beard is haram (forbidden)
just like shaving. Then 'Adawi states that the apparent context of
this opinion is premised on whether or not trimming or shaving it
produces disfigurement muthla" - that there is a difference of opinion in the Maliki madhab - (a) some say it is haram to trim (b) some say it is haram to trim only if it causes disfigurement?

[Ansari]

JazakAllah for the response. (1) I agree that many (probably most) Malikis believe the lihya to be the goatee region - some disagree but that's fine its a matter of difference.

Whether Fiqh al-Maliki agrees with the goatee position should be first cited from their texts. A solid Maliki scholar was asked about this position and he said there is no such position at all. The beard is everything which grows on the jaw.

[sahih-baba]

Whether Fiqh al-Maliki agrees with the goatee position should be first cited from their texts. A solid Maliki scholar was asked about this position and he said there is no such position at all. The beard is everything which grows on the jaw.

the fact is there are different positions within the madhhab, it's just not so clear cut.
also there were the eastern and western malikis with differing views on matters.

the faqih i studied with studied in mauritania. he had a long beard but as he progressed in his studies, he shortened it.

also i knew a staunch hanafi who had studied in syria and when i asked him why he didnt have a long beard, he simply said that it's just not as important as it has been made out to be.

hope 1 i am afraid i do not have sufficient knowledge to answer your questions.

[hope1]

the fact is there are different positions within the madhhab, it's just not so clear cut.
also there were the eastern and western malikis with differing views on matters.

the faqih i studied with studied in mauritania. he had a long beard but as he progressed in his studies, he shortened it.

also i knew a staunch hanafi who had studied in syria and when i asked him why he didnt have a long beard, he simply said that it's just not as important as it has been made out to be.

hope 1 i am afraid i do not have sufficient knowledge to answer your questions.

JazakAllah brohter Sahih baba for you discussion and contribution

[sahih-baba]

also here (http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/beard.htm) is shaykh nuh's take on the subject. we know he is shafi'i and prefers 'azimas to rukhsahs

[hope1]

Assalamu alaikum,

I am afraid Shaykh Nuh's position in that article does not conform with the relied upon Shafi opinion. He basically says that keeping a beard is fardh (something which he repeated in one of his suhbas in England) but the length does not matter. Whereas in the Shafi fiqh keeping a beard is sunnah and shaving it off is makhruh.

One person told me (who is quite close to Shaykh Nuh's circles) that in that article Shaykh Nuh chose the Maliki position (even though this is not explicitly stated in the article).

Whatever the case his opinion in that article will not apply to people of all the madhabs.

[Ansari]

the fact is there are different positions within the madhhab, it's just not so clear cut.
also there were the eastern and western malikis with differing views on matters.


Pleace cite the view from Maliki texts on the goatee issue please. Then the reader can decide for himself what a "fact" is.

[sahih-baba]

Pleace cite the view from Maliki texts on the goatee issue please. Then the reader can decide for himself what a "fact" is.

i wish i could, but i have nothing at my disposal, other than ustadh 'abdullah's words which i have already posted, where he mentioned the goatie at the end.

[taahir]

As salaamu Alaykum

Bismillah

I just want to add that the beard is not the most important sunnah, what about good character? So what, you have a beard to the floor (as one of my teachers said) but you look like a monster because you frown all day. Is that sunnah? Or you have a fist length beard, but you backbite. Dont trivialize the sunnah. Not all the sahaba had long beards, Al-Suyuti relates through Ibn Sa`d’s report from `A’isha her description of Abu Bakr: "He was a man with fair skin, thin, emaciated, with a SPARSE BEARD, a slightly hunched frame, sunken eyes and protruding forehead, and the bases of his fingers were hairless." And also the description of Imam Al Buhkari mentions he was clean shaven.

Ma salaama

[umar_italy]

As salaamu Alaykum

Bismillah

I just want to add that the beard is not the most important sunnah, what about good character? So what, you have a beard to the floor (as one of my teachers said) but you look like a monster because you frown all day. Is that sunnah? Or you have a fist length beard, but you backbite. Dont trivialize the sunnah. Not all the sahaba had long beards, Al-Suyuti relates through Ibn Sa`d’s report from `A’isha her description of Abu Bakr: "He was a man with fair skin, thin, emaciated, with a SPARSE BEARD, a slightly hunched frame, sunken eyes and protruding forehead, and the bases of his fingers were hairless." And also the description of Imam Al Buhkari mentions he was clean shaven.

Ma salaama

:ws:

Sparse beard: maybe he couldn't GENETICALLY grow it?

And why always hearing this dichotomy "INTERIOR OR EXTERIOR"? Who said it's impossible to do BOTH (grow the beard and try having the best akhlaq)? Where is it written one has to choose: Interior OR exterior?

This is not an Islamic concept, nor it's from Islamic mentality. This is silly dualism with some christian origin (and I'm speaking as an ex-christian).

:ws:

[taahir]

Salaam,

I'm not saying dont do both, I'm saying grow your beard, BUT dont make it the most important thing you can do, if your beard is longer then the next man don't look down on him(I'm adressing myself first and foremost). Maybe Abu Bakr couldnt grow a long beard, but I haven't heard that discussed in any hadith or ANY transmitted story. Umar(ra) never questioned him about it for example. I was thinking earlier, this is the reason we as a ummah are in this position. We should be discussing what is the sunnah way to deal with each other...