Imam Bukhari's discredit of Imam Abu Hanifa

[nuaym]

Some narrations in the Juz Raf ul Yadayn of Imam Bukhari to discredit Abu Hanifa (ra):

101- ولقد قال ابن المبارك: كنت أصلي إلى جنب النعمان (ابن ثابت) فرفعت يدي، فقال: ما خشيت أن تطير؟ فقلت: إن لم أطر في الأولى لم أطر في الثانية. قال وكيع: رحمة الله على ابن المبارك، كان حاضر الجواب. فتحير الآخر وهذا أشبه من الذين يتمادون في غيهم إذا لم يبصروا.


182- وسئل الأوزاعي وأنا أسمع عن الإيمان فقال: الإيمان يزيد وينقص، فمن زعم أن الإيمان لا يزيد ولا ينقص فهو صاحب بدعة فاحذروه.

[Abd'Al-Muqtadir]

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It was well known that Imam Bukhari (RA) was a follower of the Shaf'i fiqh initally, which is way, Allahu Alam, Imam Bukhari (RA) collects hadiths for Raful Yaden. As we all know the Shaf'i Fiqh consists of Raful Yaden, so this can be the reason for Imam Bukhari (RA) collecting hadiths for Raful Yaden and not against Raful Yaden. Of course Allah best knows his intention. Also Imam Abu Haneefah (RA) was widely respected and held in a high position in the era of Imam Bukhari (RA). Hope that helps you :)

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[a_muslim_bro]

Some narrations in the Juz Raf ul Yadayn of Imam Bukhari to discredit Abu Hanifa (ra):

101- ولقد قال ابن المبارك: كنت أصلي إلى جنب النعمان (ابن ثابت) فرفعت يدي، فقال: ما خشيت أن تطير؟ فقلت: إن لم أطر في الأولى لم أطر في الثانية. قال وكيع: رحمة الله على ابن المبارك، كان حاضر الجواب. فتحير الآخر وهذا أشبه من الذين يتمادون في غيهم إذا لم يبصروا.


182- وسئل الأوزاعي وأنا أسمع عن الإيمان فقال: الإيمان يزيد وينقص، فمن زعم أن الإيمان لا يزيد ولا ينقص فهو صاحب بدعة فاحذروه.

Akhi can you translate it in English, I always wanted to read the Juz unfortunately I cannot read Arabic. Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) had many scholars disagree with some of his ijtihads, but one must realize that he was not infallible, like the other 3 mujtahid imams his service to Islam should not be overlooked. The Muslim Sunni population is about 1 Billion, and approximately 30% of this population makes taqlid of his school = 300,000,000 that's pretty impressive.

May Allah raise his rank and the other imams and forgive them for any mistakes.

Wasalaam.

Wasalaam.

[Ali al-Hanafi]

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[godilali]

:salam:

Actually, its more than 300 000 000. That's just the total number that follow his school in Bangladesh. Then there's Pakistan (about 280 000 000) and India (around 290 000 000) too not to mention some of the Arab countries, Turkey, etc.

Where are you getting these statistics from?

[ENIGMA]

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It was well known that Imam Bukhari (RA) was a follower of the Shaf'i fiqh initally, which is way, Allahu Alam, Imam Bukhari (RA) collects hadiths for Raful Yaden. As we all know the Shaf'i Fiqh consists of Raful Yaden, so this can be the reason for Imam Bukhari (RA) collecting hadiths for Raful Yaden and not against Raful Yaden. Of course Allah best knows his intention. Also Imam Abu Haneefah (RA) was widely respected and held in a high position in the era of Imam Bukhari (RA). Hope that helps you :)

:ws:

You trying to say Imam Bukhari :rahim: intentionally kept out Sahih ahadith from his Sahih if the ahadith went against his school?

Are you trying to say, if there were/are Sahih ahadith on not doing raf al yadain, the Imam has intentionally left them out so to give support to the Shafi'i school?

That is ridiculous.

Unless im wrong in which case I apologise in advance.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

POINT ONE: Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) believed that Imaan neither increases nor decreases

While

POINT TWO: Imam Bukhari (RA) believed that Imaan does indeed increase and decrease

There have been many unsavoury things written about this difference of opinion and Imam Bukhari (RA) did indeed criticise Imam Al-Adham and Hanafees (RA) over this.

The simple explaination is that Imam Al-Adham Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) is a Jurist and he is talking about Eeman (as in Belief in Allah etc.) as a defacto belief which indeed DOES NOT increase or decrease. When you take someone to a court (Juristically) then you ascertain their Faith i.e. ask the person in a Court "Do you believe in Allah (SWT)"? There is no increase or decrease in this matter...you either believe in Allah (SWT) or you don't!

While Imamul-Muhaditheen Imam Bukhari (RA) is talking about quantity of Eeman e.g. someone our Eeman gets weak and sometimes it gets stronger and we all experience it so it DOES INDEED increase and decrease.


They are both right, just two different ways of looking at things and we agree with both of them.

It is absurd to suggest that Imam Bukhari (RA) went out of his way in his collection because he had an Agenda against Hanafees!

[ENIGMA]

It is absurd to suggest that Imam Bukhari (RA) went out of his way in his collection because he had an Agenda against Hanafees!

exactly my point.

[abulayl]

Are you trying to say, if there were/are Sahih ahadith on not doing raf al yadain, the Imam has intentionally left them out so to give support to the Shafi'i school?

As long as i know , bukhari sharif isn´t perfect source of shafii school. there may hadith present which isn´t evidence of shafii school!

[ENIGMA]

As long as i know , bukhari sharif isn´t perfect source of shafii school. there may hadith present which isn´t evidence of shafii school!


I don't think any of the major Hadith books have set out to favour one particular madhab, even though the Writer/compiler of the Hadith kitaabs may have followed one particular madhab.

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Imam Bukhari (RA) wasn't Shaf'ae, he was a Mujtahid Imam and yes he disagreed with Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) on Aqeedah.

:-) Big deal. :-)

Imam Bukhari is the Ameer of Muhaditheen and his book is the most Authentic after the Qur'aan (althout some Muwatta Imam Malik fans would dispute that :-)

Imam Al-Adham Abu Haneefa (RA) is a Tab'ae (RA) and Imam of Imams, his students are teachers of Imam Bukhari (RA) and he (RA) never got a chance to comment on the comments of Imam Bukhari (RA) but the Hanafi Ulama have repaid the debt and replied ALSO the entire Saheeh Bukhari has ONLY 22 Triples in the book out of which 20 are narrated by Hanafees

VERSES

The Hanafi Madhab as a whole generally is a double (one link LESS then the best Saheeh Bukhari has to offer).

One is the greatest Imam of Fiqh
The other is the greatest Imam of Hadeeth

To us both are equally respectfull and we are not worthy.

May Allah (SWT) be pleased with both of them and make us mere blind followers of both of them (Ameen)

Allah (SWT) knows best.

[hope1]

exactly my point.

Assalamu alaikum,
From what I understand, (I could be wrong), Imam Bukhari did not compile Sahih Bukhari to compile all the sahih hadith. Imam Bukhari had a particular ruling/legal opinion regarding a certain issue, which he would state in the title, and then he would bring sahih hadith to support his legal view. So ofcourse he might have left out hadith which may show rafa yadain is not required. But this does not mean any agenda against the Hanafis. It's like I'la al Sunan where the hadith pertaining to the Hanafi fiqh are collected (maybe in there contradictory hadith are quoted too to counter them - I am not sure).

[True Life]

Assalamu alaikum,
From what I understand, (I could be wrong), Imam Bukhari did not compile Sahih Bukhari to compile all the sahih hadith. Imam Bukhari had a particular ruling/legal opinion regarding a certain issue, which he would state in the title, and then he would bring sahih hadith to support his legal view. So ofcourse he might have left out hadith which may show rafa yadain is not required. But this does not mean any agenda against the Hanafis. It's like I'la al Sunan where the hadith pertaining to the Hanafi fiqh are collected (maybe in there contradictory hadith are quoted too to counter them - I am not sure).:salam:

Can someone knowledgable enough shed some light?

[abulayl]

So ofcourse he might have left out hadith which may show rafa yadain is not required.
well how can we get an answer when the sentence is based on assuming?

[hope1]

well how can we get an answer when the sentence is based on assuming?

Assalamu alaikum brothers,
Well I am not an 'alim so I cannot be explicitly sure of this fact. But this is what I understand the issue to be. So I will not use words like "for sure" or "definitely" but will use words like "might" to not misguide anyone, because I am drawing conclusions from my limited knowledge, just for discussion.

Also there are probably hadith in Bukhari which implicitly imply that one does not have to rafa yadain because they don't mention rafa yadain in the description of salaat. Even though these hadith are probably in Bukhari they are not quoted in the chapter concerning rafa yadain. The Hanafis will however refer to these other hadith (in other chapters) and say that since rafa yadain was not mentioned in describing the prayer it shows that one does not have to do it.

[a_muslim_bro]

As'salaamu Alaykum,

I believe that one has to remember that Imam Bukhari (ra) was a member of Ahlul Ahadith, like Imam Hanbal (ra) and there methodology differed from Imam al Azam (ra). Both of these Imams had to a certain degree enimity towards Abu Hanifa which surfaced in their writings, in Abu Hanifa's own time other ulema were sceptical of his ijtihad partly because the Imam himself never documented his reasoning. Regardless of criticism Abu Hanifa's fiqh has stood the test of time just look at the number of people who make taqlid of his school, the Noble Prophet (pbuh) sums it up the best when he said that "my community will not agree on an error."

Wasalaam.

[Abd'Al-Muqtadir]

As'salaamu Alaykum,

I believe that one has to remember that Imam Bukhari (ra) was a member of Ahlul Ahadith, like Imam Hanbal (ra) and there methodology differed from Imam al Azam (ra). Both of these Imams had to a certain degree enimity towards Abu Hanifa which surfaced in their writings, in Abu Hanifa's own time other ulema were sceptical of his ijtihad partly because the Imam himself never documented his reasoning. Regardless of criticism Abu Hanifa's fiqh has stood the test of time just look at the number of people who make taqlid of his school, the Noble Prophet (pbuh) sums it up the best when he said that "my community will not agree on an error."

Wasalaam.

:ws:

Hmm, interesting but I don't seem to agree with you. Akhi, could you please place your proofs where Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal (RA) and Imam Bukhari (RA) had a 'supposedly' enmity with Imam Abu Haneefah (RA). As far my little knoweldge knows, yes, there were many points where the Imams did not agree on Imam Abu Haneefah (RA), as this is a difference of opinion, and is nothing but a mercy. I would just like to know how did you get this thought Akhi. And of course Allahu Alam.

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