Who is a Muslim and who is not?

[Abba]

I want to know from my Hanafi,Sufi brothers (coz they control this forum).I have a friend who is Sufi Hanafi.We had worked together in debating the Hadeeth Rejector for long time.

However today i was,by this frined that i am out of fold of Islam coz i do not follow one Imam and i do not beleive in tasawuff.

So what makes a person Muslim,rather,i would ask what makes one Kaafir?

[Mossy]

Hmm, I wouldn't say the Hanafi Sufis control this forum ;)

Being a muslim is, of course, an aqeedah issue. Some examples of what would take you out of Islam would thus be the following:


> What are the agreed upon acts that make a person misguided (exit
> the sphere of Islam)?

According to Ibn Juzayy al-Kalbi (the person given the most credit for
summarizing the various views in the Maliki school and also outside of
the Maliki school), the acts are:

a) Negating that Allah has Lordship over His creation.
b) Negating that Allah is one in His Entity, attributes, and actions.
c) Worshiping another entity along with Allah (shirk).
d) Changing one's religion to other than Islam after having learned
about Islam and understanding it. (Allah has said that "Whoever
seeks other than Islam as a din, it will not be accepted from him").
e) Claiming that Allah can become manifest in His creation (e.g.,
take the form of a man).
f) Believing in reincarnation.
g) Negating any one of His known attributes (e.g., the 41 attributes
mentioned in Song 2 of the Guiding Helper). Included in this
is claiming that the Universe was created by other than Him or
that He was born from something else. Included in this also
is claiming that the Universe had no beginning in time.
h) Claiming that one has sat alongside with Allah literally speaking
or claiming that one has ascended to visit Him literally speaking.
i) Claiming that a person after the time of Prophet Muhammad ibn
`Abdullah is a real prophet from Allah (and that Prophet Muhammad
is not the last prophet). Included in this is claiming that one has
received revelation from Allah (like a prophet)
k) Stating that it is possible that the prophets lied to us (or did not
have the other qualities mentioned in Song 2 of the Guiding Helper).
l) Claiming that the message of Islam is only for Arabs (or only for
another select group).
m) Claiming that one will enter Paradise (literally) while still in this world.
n) Claiming that the punishment and reward in the next life is *only*
confined to being metaphorical.
o) Calling all of the Companions of the Prophet (all together) disbelievers.
p) Denying any of the necessarily known and obvious parts of the din
(e.g., claiming that formal prayer, fasting in Ramadan, Zakat, and Hajj is
not obligatory; or that the nineteen beliefs mentioned in Song 3 of the
Guiding Helper are incorrect (but differences in detail are allowed))
q) Claiming that there is no need to worship Allah externally any more
after becoming spiritually advanced. For example, claiming that
the formal prayer is no longer wajib after one has reached some
high spiritual station with Allah.
r) Denying any part of the Qur'an left by the Prophet (May Allah bless
him and give him peace).
s) Intentionally adding to (inserting one's own words into) or changing
any part of the Qur'an left by the Prophet (May Allah bless him
and give him peace) [Included in this is fabricating *obligatory*
tenets of belief or *obligatory* acts of worship which have no
basis in the primary texts].
t) Claiming that others besides Allah could produce the Qur'an.
u) Claiming that the later scholars (e.g., Imam Malik, Imam al-Shafi`i)
were better than the prophets.

[QF: page 323: line(s) 7-18: {book 17, chapter 10: clarification}]

The way the scholars have reached these above list of 21 acts that
make one "misguided" is by extensively studying the Qur'an (and Allah's
statements about guidance and misguidance in it) and also the actual
interpretation of the Qur'an by the Prophet and the early Muslims.

Other acts not listed above do not have total support among the authentic
scholars of our din as acts that make one become misguided and exit
the sphere of Islam.

As a final note, the true scholar is very careful before calling people misguided
or labeling them as kafirs as the Prophet (May Allah bless him and give him
peace) has said:

When a man says to his brother [in din], O Disbeliever. This [word] comes
back/over to [at least] one of them. If the mentioned person is as claimed,
then it goes to him, else it comes back to the person who uttered the words.

[{Muslim, iman, bayan hal al-iman man qala li akhihi ya kafir, hadith #92}]

Not following one Imam would not do it - I very much doubt not believing in tasawuff would either (although if you declare it haram, possibly for the Hanafis coz you're making halal haram).

[faqir]

Your friend must have lost his mind

[Muawiyah]

A muslim is one who believes in all the necessities of the Deen i.e Everything clearly proven from the Quran, Mutawatir ahadeeth or ijmaa of the Ummah.

[Abba]

Hmm, I wouldn't say the Hanafi Sufis control this forum ;)

Being a muslim is, of course, an aqeedah issue. Some examples of what would take you out of Islam would thus be the following:



Not following one Imam would not do it - I very much doubt not believing in tasawuff would either (although if you declare it haram, possibly for the Hanafis coz you're making halal haram).


I agree withe list of 21 that u have mentioned.

[Abba]

Your friend must have lost his mind

My friend says that he has taken the fatwa from:

HAED MUFTI OF DEOBAND MOULANA MUFTI SAEED PALANPURI SHEIKHULHADEETH

I do not know who thiss guy is,may be someone here does.

[Muawiyah]

He's one of the senior teachers at the Dar ul `Uloom Deoband, what exactly did he say?

[Abba]

He's one of the senior teachers at the Dar ul `Uloom Deoband, what exactly did he say?

I do not have access to the Fatwa,he has only cited his name.

[Abdur_Rahman]

However today i was,by this frined that i am out of fold of Islam coz i do not follow one Imam and i do not beleive in tasawuff.

:salam:

:subh: that is something truly worth to scratch your head over you don't believe in 1 imam and do not call to tasawuff. In all honesty I thought that this was only in the category of the muslims who call towards the salafi dawah :confused: .

I guess not, I see that we as an ummah go extreme in certain measures

[Muawiyah]

The standard opinion of the `Ulama of Deoband is that Taqleed Shakhsi is Waajib and in Hanafi terminology a Waajib is an obligation which is not a necessity of the Deen i.e denying it would be sin not kufr. I think your friend might have misunderstood Mufti sahib's fatwa,

[Yasin786]

O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the (Prophetic) Messenger and those in authority from amongst you (4:59)

I dont think i would consider anyone more in Authority then Imam Hanafi. Just my opinion. And it's to bad your friend is going to extremes to prove that small point, your friend is definatly wrong about you being "out of the fold of Islam." Just remember this was a man who dedicating his life to find out the best way to follow the Sunnah of Rasullulah (s.a.w) And i doubt that we have half the understanding that he does and are able to decipher what is a more accurate sunnah then what he prescribed. I would trust Imam Hanafi, just my opinion, but your friend is definatly wrong bro.

Walaikum Salaam.

[abby]

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