Iman & Shirk

[True Life]

:salam:

I was listening to a lecture by Mufti Mudassir on al-Aqidah at-Tahawiyya and he was mentioning something, which surprised me, when telling the difference between Kufr and Shirk. Listen to the lecture here... (http://www.esnips.com/doc/a3238e11-d466-481f-b627-c195b130c19a/C_aqeedah_dars1_tauheed_shirk)

He said, that Kufr and Iman can not go/be together [jamma nahi hosakta hai]. But Shirk and Imam can go/be together [jamma hosakta hai]. I think he means while Kufr clearly contradicts and nullifies Iman, Shirk and Iman can co-exist (in a person).

Is there any relaible articles or texts elobarating this point? :jazak:

[ataullah]

:salam:

I was listening to a lecture by Mufti Mudassir on al-Aqidah at-Tahawiyya and he was mentioning something, which surprised me, when telling the difference between Kufr and Shirk. Listen to the lecture here... (http://www.esnips.com/doc/a3238e11-d466-481f-b627-c195b130c19a/C_aqeedah_dars1_tauheed_shirk)

He said, that Kufr and Iman can not go/be together [jamma nahi hosakta hai]. But Shirk and Imam can go/be together [jamma hosakta hai]. I think he means while Kufr clearly contradicts and nullifies Iman, Shirk and Iman can co-exist (in a person).

Is there any relaible articles or texts elobarating this point? :jazak:


Nothing is more reliable and authentic than the Quran itself:

http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps13/ch13g.html#106

The verse clearly mentions that majority of people while believing also is Mushriks.

waslaam.

[True Life]

:salam:

Nothing is more reliable and authentic than the Quran itself:

http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps13/ch13g.html#106

The verse clearly mentions that majority of people while believing also is Mushriks.

waslaam.:jazak:

I looked up the Tafsir of this Ayah and it seems to indicate towards what I was asking about:

It means that those of them who profess a belief in Allah would do so by lacing it with Shirk. They would suggest others as partners in the attributes of knowledge and power which are exclusive for Allah Ta'ala -which is rank injustice, and ignorance.

Ibn Kathir has said that included under the sense of this verse are Muslims who, despite having 'Iman, are involved with different kinds of Shirk. According to the Musnad of Ahmad, the Holy Prophet Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam: Peace be upon him said: The most dangerous of things I apprehend for you is the small Shirk. When the Sahabah asked as to what could that be, he said: Hypocrisy is the small Shirk. Similarly, swearing by someone or something other than Allah has been called Shirk in another Hadith. (Ibn Kathir from Tirmidhi) Vows and offerings (Mannat and Niyaz) in the name of anyone other than Allah is also included under it, on which there is a consensus of Muslim jurists. Ma'arfiul Qur'an (http://www.classicalislamgroup.com/index.php?view=tafseer/s12-v102to109)


(And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him.) Ibn `Abbas commented, "They have a part of faith, for when they are asked, `Who created the heavens Who created the earth Who created the mountains' They say, `Allah did.' Yet, they associate others with Him in worship.'' Similar is said by Mujahid, `Ata, `Ikrimah, Ash-Sha`bi, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam. In the Sahih, it is recorded that during the Hajj season, the idolators used to say in their Talbiyah: "Here we rush to Your service. You have no partners with You, except a partner with You whom You own but he owns not!'' Allah said in another Ayah,

[إِنَّ الشِّرْكَ لَظُلْمٌ عَظِيمٌ]

(Verily, joining others in worship with Allah is a great Zulm (wrong) indeed.) [31:13] This indeed is the greatest type of Shirk, associating others with Allah in worship. It is recorded in the Two Sahihs that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "I said, `O Allah's Messenger! What is the greatest sin' He said,

«أَنْ تَجْعَلَ للهِ نِدًّا وَهُوَ خَلَقَك»

(That you call a rival to Allah while He alone created you.)'' Al-Hasan Al-Basri commented on Allah's statement,

[وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ بِاللَّهِ إِلاَّ وَهُمْ مُّشْرِكُونَ ]

(And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him.) "This is the hypocrite; if he performs good deeds, he does so to show off with the people, and he is an idolator while doing this.'' Al-Hasan was referring to Allah's statement,

[إِنَّ الْمُنَـفِقِينَ يُخَـدِعُونَ اللَّهَ وَهُوَ خَادِعُهُمْ وَإِذَا قَامُواْ إِلَى الصَّلَوةِ قَامُواْ كُسَالَى يُرَآءُونَ النَّاسَ وَلاَ يَذْكُرُونَ اللَّهَ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً ]

(Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them. And when they stand up for As-Salah, they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little.) [4:142] There is another type of hidden Shirk that most people are unaware of. Hammad bin Salamah narrated that `Asim bin Abi An-Najud said that `Urwah said, "Hudhayfah visited an ill man and saw a rope tied around his arm, so he ripped it off while reciting,

[وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ بِاللَّهِ إِلاَّ وَهُمْ مُّشْرِكُونَ ]

(And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him.) In a Hadith, from Ibn `Umar collected by At-Tirmidhi who said it was Hasan, the Prophet said,

«مَنْ حَلَفَ بِغَيْرِ اللهِ فَقَدْ أَشْرَك»

(He who swears by other than Allah, commits Shirk.) Imam Ahmad, Abu Dawud and other scholars of Hadith narrated that `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said that the Messenger of Allah said,

«إِنَّ الرُّقَى وَالتَّمَائِمَ وَالتِّوَلَةَ شِرْك»

(Verily, Ar-Ruqa, At-Tama'im and At-Tiwalah are all acts of Shirk.) In another narration collected by Ahmad and Abu Dawud, the Prophet said,

«الطِّيَرَةُ شِرْكٌ وَمَا مِنَّا إِلَّا، وَلَكِنَّ اللهَ يُذْهِبُهُ بِالتَّوَكُّل»

(Verily, At-Tiyarah [omen] is Shirk; everyone might feel a glimpse of it, but Allah dissipates it with Tawakkul.)''Tafsir Ibn Kathir (http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=12&tid=25271)

So, although one commits all these kinds of Shirk it does not eliminate a person's Iman totally like Kufr would do? Or only if it stays in the boundaries of little Shirk?
Are there any other reliable texts explaining this verse or this point in general?

[Colonel_Hardstone]

Asslamo Allaikum,

Yes this is possible.

"Showing Off is Minor Shirk"...The Hadeeth about the Generous person, Scholar and Shaheed being thrown into the fire of hell is an evidence for this.

They had Iman but they did their actions for Showing off (Minor Shirk) and as a consequence will be thrown into the fire of hell.

[ataullah]

So, although one commits all these kinds of Shirk it does not eliminate a person's Iman totally like Kufr would do?

Brother,

You are totally wrong. The term "shirk" has not been defined as "small" or "azeem" shirk. It is shirk in all its way and manifestations. In Quran sura Inaam, it is said that even if "Prophets" had commited "shirk" all their deeds would have been vanished. Again Quran reminds that "Do not commit shirk of any kind". All Mushrikeen will be in the fire hell. Unfortunately, while explaining Quran, the Mufasirs have done a great injustice in a way that whereever this thing "shirk" has been mentioned, they had tried to restrict it with "those who were at the time of.........". This is is the great injustice done. The shirk is an quality and it will remain till the last day of judgment.

My dear Brother, if the word "shirk" is defined in truly Quranic sense, then only Allah's refugee can be sought because "majority of heads will roll".

May Allah save us all from this curse.


waslaam.

[drsheikh22]

I think that dawate islami followers are more commited shirk, like during going to dargah (shrine) they commited SAJDAH, asking their demand to WALI (AULIYAH) etc ...


this id very dangerous thing..

[ataullah]

I think that dawate islami followers are more commited shirk, like during going to dargah (shrine) they commited SAJDAH, asking their demand to WALI (AULIYAH) etc ...


this id very dangerous thing..

Shirk is to "Call anyone except Allah, Pray anyone except Allah, and with Allah". The Quranic words are " Min Doonayhee". This includes anything, anyone whatsoever it may be. The worst type of Shirik is that:

""Bar doh johlee meri Ya, x,y,z""" ( Fill my spread bowl oh you (anyone except Allah).

'''Lay chodiveen walay da naam, tay doobi ohee tar jay dee" (Take the name of Fourteen-wala and your drowned boat will sink"

""Bari Bari Imam Bari, meri Khoti Qismat karo Khari"", (Oh Bari make my false(bad) luck to be a real one).

""Yah Ali Madad" (Oh Ali help)

The list cannot be long and also contains all those who in their own make thinking take that If they will go to x,y,z Grave, (Shrines), Allah will hear their prayer, as If Allah is not everywhere.


Most of the people believe but at the same time they are Mushrik (Quran).

waslaam.

[umar_italy]

The list cannot be long and also contains all those who in their own make thinking take that If they will go to x,y,z Grave, (Shrines), Allah will hear their prayer, as If Allah is not everywhere.

Is it in your 'Aqidah that "Allah is everywhere"?

[bugmenot]

Is it in your 'Aqidah that "Allah is everywhere"?
many people say "Allah is everywhere" intending of course by His knowledge.

[ataullah]

Is it in your 'Aqidah that "Allah is everywhere"?

Brother check Quran, perhaps it may further clarify you.

[ataullah]

Salaam,


Hast thou not seen that Allah knoweth all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth ? There is no secret conference of three but He is their fourth, nor of five but He is their sixth, nor of less than that or more but He is with them wheresoever they may be; and afterward, on the Day of Resurrection, He will inform them of what they did. Lo! Allah is Knower of all things. (58:7)

Waslaam.

[abulayl]

Salaam,

(58:7)

Waslaam.

and what do you say about this?

13:2 Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the THRONE (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.

10:3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the THRONE (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?

7:54 Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the THRONE (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!

[hope_n_fear]

:salam:

Please stick to the topic brothers.
:jazak:
:salam:

[ataullah]

and what do you say about this?

13:2 Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the THRONE (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.

10:3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the THRONE (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition?

7:54 Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the THRONE (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!

Salaam,

I have nothing to say on this. You have pasted out of context and off-topic verses. The one I pasted was in question of a member.


Please stick to the topic brothers.

Very Good. Iman & Shirk do not go together. But unfortunately the reality is that "Shirk" is ripe.

waslaam