Salaat behind a homosexual

[haqq]

Question: What is the state of Salaat of the muqtadis who perform behind a man who is a professed homosexual? He not o*nly confesses to indulgence in sodomy, but he claims that this evil deed is allowed by the Qur’aan. He furthermore believes that it is Islamically permissible for homosexuals to enter into ‘marital’ unions. Is it permissible to perform Salaat behind such an imam? If in the vicinity where the Mosque is with this imam there is no other jamaat Salaat taking place, should Muslims perform Salaat behind him?


Answer: This person, if he was at any time a Muslim, has become a murtadd (renegade) from the time that he had professed his kufr belief of the permissibility of homosexuality. Salaat is not valid behind him. Those who perform Salaat behind him inspite of having knowledge of his irtidaad and belief of kufr, also become murtadds. It is haraam to allow such a filthy renegade entry into the Musjid. The community is under Shar’i obligation to excommunicate this evil man and to sever all ties with him.

All those who had performed Salaat behind this evil renegade from the time his filthy kufr became known, have to compulsorily repeat their Salaat.

What about our Salaat? (http://www.themajlis.net/Article112.html)

[Mossy]

Erm.. That's interesting.

Whatever happened to helping a brother out?

Instead of vitriol, why not some advice and convincing?

[VeiledOne]

Dawah would be good insha'Allah

Just becareful while giving dawah though. This case is a bit sensitive. It would be best for men to maintain their level of hijab as well...

[muslim786]

Dawah would be good insha'Allah

Just becareful while giving dawah though. This case is a bit sensitive. It would be best for men to maintain their level of hijab as well...
lol. But yes we do need to give dawah, but sometimes this futile, As Imam Ghazzali says if their hearts are cooked in their wrong ways then they wont listen anyway. Taken from Hazrat Shaykh Nuh's talk on the people of bida.

[suhayl]

This case is a bit sensitive. It would be best for men to maintain their level of hijab as well...

LOL.. yes give dawah and if that fails then by all means stop praying salaah behind him.

[Muawiyah]

dawah should be given of course. However as for praying behind him, the case here is of istihlaal of haraam, which is kufr so prayer behind such a person won't be acceptable. Even if he didn't consider his actions to be halaal, the imamah of a fasiq is makrooh.

[haqq]

dawah should be given of course. However as for praying behind him, the case here is of istihlaal of haraam, which is kufr so prayer behind such a person won't be acceptable. Even if he didn't consider his actions to be halaal, the imamah of a fasiq is makrooh.

Exactly.

The question is regarding the state of the salaat performed behind such a Imam. Not 'dawah'. Just think, he is an Imaam of a Masjid!

scary...

[Ibn Umaysh]

Exactly.

The question is regarding the state of the salaat performed behind such a Imam. Not 'dawah'. Just think, he is an Imaam of a Masjid!

scary...


Da'wah can be given without the flowery things. You have to understand- the homosexuals who calimt o be Muslim are of two types: one who are, but say they can't help it and know they are wrong, they are still Muslim, but sinning, and the ones who deny its impermissibility and become murtad. Most Muslims will know already the arguments against homosexuality, and you can eb sure they've tried to research the issue to make a way for their lifestyle, so giving da'wah must be firm I believe. If the person is not knowledgeable, you give da'wah but still be clear.

This is such a surprise... can you imagine telling the Muslims of the past this? A gay man is leading salaah, and we are even tking the time to *think* about whether or not to remove him, or to repeat our salaah, and considering a soft approach with da'wah. I think he has given us more da'wah than we can to him. The da'wah should not be in removing him from imaamat, but perhaps afterwards when everyone's salaah is secure. Allahu 'alam.

[Mossy]

I was referring to the excommunication and severing of all ties.

[Abdullah]

" O believers be concerned with yourselves let not those people harm you who have deviated as long as you are upon guidance." Quraa'n

there is a hadith narrated by Al-tirmidhi in his sunnan where this verse is explained where Abu talaba says i was confused about the verse of the Quran and that verse of the Quran is " O believers be concerned with yourselves let not those people harm you who have deviated as long as you are upon guidance." he abu talaba says i couldnt understand this verse so i went to Abu Said Al-Khudri(ra) and I said to him i am confused about this verse. Abu Said Al-Khudri(ra) said you have come to one who have knowledge of this verse and he said i heard messenger saws said in explanation of this verse that this doesnt mean that dont invite people to the truth and dont prevent them from commiting evil and sin..dont be bothered about anybody else just be concerned with yourselves and if people go astray then as long as you are upon guidance they cannot harm you and there is no wrong. NO. Prophet saws said the menaing of this verse invite people to good enjoin the good and forbid evil and continue to do this until there comes a time when you see avarice and greed which is being followed.when you see people following their desires when you see people being engrossed in duniya and giving prefernce to duniya over akhirah and every man being obsessed with his own opinion then stop giving dawah then stop inviting people then stop enjoing good and forbid evil and just be concerned with yourselves.

I am posting this hadith from notes that i have taken in a class searched for the hadith on the net couldnt find it . May Allah forgive me.

so doesnt this hadith apply to this man who holds kufr belief of the permissibility of homosexuality isnt he following ..obsessed with his own opinion..

[Salah ud Deen]

Erm.. That's interesting.

Whatever happened to helping a brother out?

Instead of vitriol, why not some advice and convincing?
Or maybe doing what the Prophet(saw) ordered to do with homosexuals? That might be the right thing to do instead of coming up with kafr ways of dealing with him like saying "oh hi how are you. you know even thought the Prophet(saw) said that I should do this, I'm not and I'm going to do this.." Yea, sticking to Shari'a sounds good to me. :cheesygri

[Abdullah]

, sticking to Shari'a sounds good to me. :cheesygri

same here...

[Muawiyah]

Isn't prescribing social boycott of the mubtadi'een and the zanadiqah is the normal ruling in this regard?

[Mossy]

Or maybe doing what the Prophet(saw) ordered to do with homosexuals? That might be the right thing to do instead of coming up with kafr ways of dealing with him like saying "oh hi how are you. you know even thought the Prophet(saw) said that I should do this, I'm not and I'm going to do this.." Yea, sticking to Shari'a sounds good to me. :cheesygri

Yes, following the Shariah is good.

Have a read, especially q.5.x:
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000160.aspx

There is a correct adab to everything.

What did the Prophet (pbuh) order individual muslims to do with homosexuals as a primary action?