Learning Quran first without Tajweed?

[Al-Faruqi]

:salam:

I recently started learning some ayat with a brother and I used to memorize them with tajweed (I don't know every rule but at least the basic ones) but now he says that I shouldn't memorize with tajweed. He says that I should memorize the plain Ayat without tajweed so that I'll be able to learn real tajweed later and then apply it to ayat I memorized in former times.

Is this thinking correct?

:ws:

[intentions2actions]

:salam:

I recently started learning some ayat with a brother and I used to memorize them with tajweed (I don't know every rule but at least the basic ones) but now he says that I shouldn't memorize with tajweed. He says that I should memorize the plain Ayat without tajweed so that I'll be able to learn real tajweed later and then apply it to ayat I memorized in former times.

Is this thinking correct?

:ws:

:salam:

Is this brother a teacher or a student teacher? if so, they would know what they are talking about inshallah from experience what has worked best with their students.

See the difficulty here is we cant hear you recite and say if the advice given if adequate as in is this the best way to proceed for you

What i normally advice is: recite the Qur'an with tajweed no matter how little it is as it will most definitely be more accurate than what was being previously recited inshallah. Also this means as your tajweed improves so will your recitations so keep going back to your surahs and it becomes easier for you to correct as your making less and less mistakes. also you are more aware of what you are doing and know where your at, rather than having to memorise it knowingly wrong and then unlearning it only to learn it again - i find it's harder this way and a long process, as old habits die hard.

You should be aiming to avoid Al-Lahn Al-Jaliy these are the plain and obvious mistakes/major errors which are Haram. for example 1. Replacing one letter for another, 2. Replacing one vowel for another, 3. Ignoring necessary Madds (long vowel), 4.Stopping or pausing in the wrong place.

Try not to worry too much about Al-Lahn Al-Khafiy, the concealed mistakes, you'll soon avoid this also with practise and more understanding of the makraj (place of origin) and sifaat (qualities)

Allah tala knows best!

May Allah swt help you learn tajweed and make hifz easy for you and for us. Ameen!

i hope i've helped and have made sense if not inshallah i'll try to correct this tomorrow after a goodnight sleep.

:ws:

p.s. the more you practise your tajweed the more easier it'll become

[Al-Faruqi]

:ws:

:jazak: for yor detailed answer.

No, as far as I know he is not a tajweed teacher.
I don't think that he disapproved of my tajweed, it more seems to be a type learning method, instead of learning ayat with little tajweed by heart he prefers no tajweed and says that then when making hifz learn real tajweed and apply this to what you already memorized.

:jazak:

:ws:

[KeepTheGazeDown]

:salam:

I recently started learning some ayat with a brother and I used to memorize them with tajweed (I don't know every rule but at least the basic ones) but now he says that I shouldn't memorize with tajweed. He says that I should memorize the plain Ayat without tajweed so that I'll be able to learn real tajweed later and then apply it to ayat I memorized in former times.

Is this thinking correct?

:ws:

:salam:

When a bad habit sets in than it is very hard to break. Important point in tajweed is not memorisation but how to apply the tajweed rules effectively. Going down the line insha-Allah after constantly reciting the proper way even if you forget the tajweed rules you will still naturally read correctly.

:ws:

[intentions2actions]

:ws:

:jazak: for yor detailed answer.

No, as far as I know he is not a tajweed teacher.
I don't think that he disapproved of my tajweed, it more seems to be a type learning method, instead of learning ayat with little tajweed by heart he prefers no tajweed and says that then when making hifz learn real tajweed and apply this to what you already memorized.

:jazak:

:ws:

:salam:

Akhi if I’m not being too forward you should really find out if the brother has permission to teach as when he is reciting to you, you may pick up/adopt his mistakes if any.

out of curiosity whose recitation do you listen to? I've been advised by my teacher to listen to Shaik Khaleel Husary as his recitation is clear and at a slow pace therefore you can hear the rules being implemented. If you copy him exactly you are more or less there.

Also this aids in hifz: if you listen to the surah you're memorising repetitively and copy with and without the text, inshallah you will be memorising faster and with tajweed.

:ws:

[Al-Faruqi]

:ws:

No I don't think that the brother has an ijazah, anyways it is very difficult to find any scholar in Germany, even more if you want some with ijazah.

I like Sa'ad Al-Ghamadi very nice to listen and he's not reading to fast :hamd:

:jazak:

:ws:

[intentions2actions]

:ws:

No I don't think that the brother has an ijazah, anyways it is very difficult to find any scholar in Germany, even more if you want some with ijazah.

I like Sa'ad Al-Ghamadi very nice to listen and he's not reading to fast :hamd:

:jazak:

:ws:

:salam:

fair enough, it took me a long time to find a teacher so i can appreciate your predicament and circumstance

Best of luck, may Allah make it easy for you! Ameen!

:ws:

[bint abdul hameed]

Asalamu Alaikum,

um I think u should definitely learn Tajweed first according to my own experience, nd 2 what my friends, teachers said....cuz after completing you will have a hard time applying it all to Tajweed....

[Abdul Sattar]

salaam,

With full respect to the brother, that is some of the worst advice I have EVER heard with regards to memorizing Quran.

DO NOT, DO NOT - learn Quran without Tajwid. If you are a child and are learning your first Surahs, it is a different story.

But at this point - you must absolutely learn the correct makhaarij for all the letters, and understand the rules of tajwid. If you memorize without doing this, you will end up forcing yourself to have to spend DOUBLE the time in re-memorizing all of your old surahs.

It is much harder to root out incorrect sounds and replace them with the correct ones, than to memorizing them right to begin with. I have seen so many students who struggle because they memorized so much......but have the makhaarij completely messed up.

Please learn tajwid first - it will save you much time and effort.

On top of that, this is Quran. It is the Book of Allah. It has the RIGHT to be recited in accordance with the rules and beauty that is part of the tradition by which it was passed down to us. We shouldn't recite it with anything less.

wa salaam
Abdul Sattar

[sudoku]

:salam:


DO NOT, DO NOT - learn Quran without Tajwid. If you are a child and are learning your first Surahs, it is a different story.

Please learn tajwid first - it will save you much time and effort.


I partially agree with the above quote, since I think a child should definitely learn with tajweed too!

My father is not a Qari but he has ijaza to teach and :mash: is very particular about his tajweed. When both he and my mother teach the children in the local masjid, they always make sure the child learns with tajweed. They teach from the Noorani Qaidah which in itself is almost like a complete tajweed book. Many times children who studied with other teachers end up having to restart the Qaidah with my parents because even their makhaarij are wrong. Learning with tajweed is essential; according to my Dad, there's no such thing as reading the Quran without it. When some students would be told to recite a particular surah from memory, and they'd ask "with or without tajwid?", my parents purposely put a bewildered face and ask back, "How do you read without tajwid?"

Even if you're memorizing small suraat, do it with tajweed, because reading without, as someone mentioned, is like a bad habit that'll be even more difficult to rectify afterwards. There are teachers who make their students memorize the Quran without even proper makhaarij, and I promise, it makes you cry thinking how much effort the child must have put it memorizing, and yet he's making Lahn-e-Jalee while leading taraweeh! :cry:

The first thing I learnt from every single tajweed book I studied was

"Wa Rattilil Qur'aana Tarteela" (And recite the Qur'aan with Tarteel)

According to Ali (RA) "At-Tarteelu tajweed ulhuroofi wa ma'aarifatul wuqoofi" (Tarteel is to recite the letters with tajweed and knowing all the places of stopping (waqf and sukoot).

Since I'm posting from memory, I don't have the source at hand. Insha Allah I'll post it when I find it.

[meelash]

"How do you read without tajwid?"


Seriously, this is exactly the first thing I thought when I read this post. If you know how to read with Tajwid, why/how would you put effort into reading without it? I really don't see the advantage either. If it's so that you can read fast, with a little practice you can read just as fast with Tajwid, anyway.

[AbdullahbinAbdullah]

Assalam-u-Alaikum,

Just to add, Imam Jazari says that:

وَالأَخْـذُ بِالتَّـجْـوِيـدِ حَـتْــمٌ لازِمُ مَــنْ لَــمْ يُـجَـوِّدِ الْـقُـرَآنَ آثِــمُ

Learning Tajweed is necessary; whoever does not read the Quran with Tajweed sins.

This obviously has conditions such as the availability of a teacher (what blessings some of us have!) e.t.c.

But generally, if one knows Tajweed and is able then he/she should recite with Tajweed.

But probably the brother who helps you with recitation means something else?

The sister whose dad has an Ijaza summed it up well in the last post.

[xyz999]

Salam

Read with Tajweed whilst you memorise, you will enjoy the process so much more. At the end of the day you are memorising in order to be able to read the Qur'an with Tajweed anyway! :)

[Al-Faruqi]

:salam:

When doing hifz, will it be beneficial to use a colour coded mushaf? Or will this bring a negative effect to you?

:ws:

[Umm]

:salam:

Is this brother a teacher or a student teacher? if so, they would know what they are talking about inshallah from experience what has worked best with their students.

See the difficulty here is we cant hear you recite and say if the advice given if adequate as in is this the best way to proceed for you

What i normally advice is: recite the Qur'an with tajweed no matter how little it is as it will most definitely be more accurate than what was being previously recited inshallah. Also this means as your tajweed improves so will your recitations so keep going back to your surahs and it becomes easier for you to correct as your making less and less mistakes. also you are more aware of what you are doing and know where your at, rather than having to memorise it knowingly wrong and then unlearning it only to learn it again - i find it's harder this way and a long process, as old habits die hard.

You should be aiming to avoid Al-Lahn Al-Jaliy these are the plain and obvious mistakes/major errors which are Haram. for example 1. Replacing one letter for another, 2. Replacing one vowel for another, 3. Ignoring necessary Madds (long vowel), 4.Stopping or pausing in the wrong place.

Try not to worry too much about Al-Lahn Al-Khafiy, the concealed mistakes, you'll soon avoid this also with practise and more understanding of the makraj (place of origin) and sifaat (qualities)

Allah tala knows best!

May Allah swt help you learn tajweed and make hifz easy for you and for us. Ameen!

i hope i've helped and have made sense if not inshallah i'll try to correct this tomorrow after a goodnight sleep.

:ws:

p.s. the more you practise your tajweed the more easier it'll become

Assalamualaikum,
I thought it was lahnekhafi.

[AbdullahbinAbdullah]

Assalamualaikum,
I thought it was lahnekhafi.

I think you are right sister.

General rule of Lahne Jali is that it changes the meaning of a word through addition / omission of a letter, changing of letter/harakah e.t.c.

Rules of tajweed fall under lahn khafi.

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[Sulaiman84]

:salam:

When doing hifz, will it be beneficial to use a colour coded mushaf? Or will this bring a negative effect to you?

:ws:

:salam:

From what I heard, ulamaa have mixed views on it. I know some of my teachers said they didn't like it because students put little effort in memorizing the ahkaam. Instead they just look at the colors in the book. I have seen it used in hifth schools though.

Allah knows best

:ws:

[Aakhira]

:salam:

This is just my personal experience.

A color coded mushaf is a big help masha'Allah. It works for me. I haven't learnt all the ahkam but I can manage with a normal mushaf as well. Especially if you don't have access to a qualified teacher, I would recommend a color coded mushaf.

[verdana]

:salam:

I recently started learning some ayat with a brother and I used to memorize them with tajweed (I don't know every rule but at least the basic ones) but now he says that I shouldn't memorize with tajweed. He says that I should memorize the plain Ayat without tajweed so that I'll be able to learn real tajweed later and then apply it to ayat I memorized in former times.

Is this thinking correct?

:ws:

:salam:

No it is not!

Qur'an was revealed and read with tajweed (rules were later formulated according to how Prophet (saw) and Sahabah was reciting Qur'an). So, suppose if you never manage to learn how to read it from Mushaf, but only from memory then that is sufficient for your Deen and your Namaz will be valid with that recital. However, if you memorize letters and wordings, then I can't see how beneficial it is for someone who might not even wake up on the next morning and pass away! Yet, Namaz with such recital would be invalid (in most cases).

So, for the time being memorize Qur'an with proper tajweed (i.e by listening to Qurra such as Mahmud Khalil al-Husari or al-Hudhaifi), and at the same time hasten to learn reading from Mushaf with proper tajweed as soon as you can. Because combination of booth will definitely boost the process of learning Quran.


A color coded mushaf is a big help masha'Allah. It works for me. I haven't learnt all the ahkam but I can manage with a normal mushaf as well. Especially if you don't have access to a qualified teacher, I would recommend a color coded mushaf.
Yes, indeed. Although at the beginning it is very useful to use such Mushaf, however, I think one should continue with Mushaf without colors because they make your brain lazy in keeping rules of tajweed fresh and gradually you are completely replacing the knowledge of tajweed, by the codes of colors.

I used to teach my students reciting Qur'an with Madina Mushaf where tajweed rules are already implemented inside the script. Noways I intend to use Ottoman style Naskh Mushaf, (http://lisan.hostzi.com/photo/nesih.jpg) where reader has to know the rules of tajweed. And that's a really a challenge and great opportunity to master tajweed.

[Sulaiman84]

:salam:

I have to agree with brother verdana. Mal lam yujawwidul Qur'ana aathimu: "whoever does not read the Quran with Tajweed sins." As Imam Jazari :rahma: has said. If person reads the Qur'an without tajweed, he can unknowingly change its meaning. For example, the makhaarij of huroof (pronounciation of letters) is among the first things you learn in tajweed. If a persons not solid with his makhaarij, he'll mess up most likely when he comes across ayaats in the Qur'an. Take the letters Qaaf and Kaaf. If he reads an ayah like,

"illaa man atallaaha biqalbin saleem"

"Except he who came to Allah with a pure heart"

If he doesn't know his makhaarij and changes Qaaf with Kaaf, he'll change the meaning of the word "heart" into "dog"......Qalb=heart and kalb=dog. Imagine of he reads others ayahs in a similar way......yikes!

So it's very important. Ulama and Qurraa have told me that tajweed is among the superior forms of ilm because of which a person can perform his Salah correctly and Salah is the most important action after Iman.

Oh yeah one more thing, these aspects of deen are better passed and learned from chest to chest, person to person (I forgot who said something like that from salaf)

Learning tajweed without a qualified teacher is like becoming an Alim without qualified teachers. What happens after that is nothin but a little confusion and a lotta mistakes.

:ws:

[bballtab10]

As Salamu Alaikum,
When I memorized the qur'an I realized all the tajweed just came to me naturally. This is because I used to listen to Sudais a lot. If you listen to some major qaris in your spare time, tajweed will come to you naturally because the pattern is extremely easy to remember. Also, the different qirats have different tajweed rules so be careful and stick with one.

[meelash]

As Salamu Alaikum,
When I memorized the qur'an I realized all the tajweed just came to me naturally. This is because I used to listen to Sudais a lot. If you listen to some major qaris in your spare time, tajweed will come to you naturally because the pattern is extremely easy to remember. Also, the different qirats have different tajweed rules so be careful and stick with one.

السلام عليكم,

Are you sure? Tajweed doesn't just mean that it sounds nice, you actually need to follow some rules, right? I think you better study with a teacher to make sure your tajweed is correct. I also used to consider myself having good tajweed, until I actually sat with a qari. Big shock- I wasn't even reciting ta-awwudh properly...

[bballtab10]

السلام عليكم,

Are you sure? Tajweed doesn't just mean that it sounds nice, you actually need to follow some rules, right? I think you better study with a teacher to make sure your tajweed is correct. I also used to consider myself having good tajweed, until I actually sat with a qari. Big shock- I wasn't even reciting ta-awwudh properly...


I'm sorry I realize I was not clear at all. When I said all the tajweed, I apologize, I meant to say most of the tajweed came to me naturally. I know this because after I became a Hafidh, my teacher gave me books and booklets on tajweed and the only thing I had to work on was the length of the different madds. I also recited to many different qaris until I was allowed to lead the taraweeh prayers alhamdulillah.

[MujahidAbdullah]

I originally memorized surahs without using tajweed - then when I learned proper tajweed, I had to re-memorize everything from scratch because I still applyed my old habits when reciting.

[AbdullahbinAbdullah]

I originally memorized surahs without using tajweed - then when I learned proper tajweed, I had to re-memorize everything from scratch because I still applyed my old habits when reciting.

One of my teachers used to say that breaking a habit is a miracle.

Personally, I have seen that the Syrian and Egyptian schools/Traditions of Tajweed are very strong. Some Indo Pak teachers are extremely good, May Allah Ta'ala bless them, however the general level is not very good even among the huffaz, May Allah Ta'ala bless them.

Hifz and Tajweed are two different sciences, there a few teachers that master both, while others only master one. It is important to know who is a master of what.

[suleimanibnsalim]

CRAZY advice. SubhanaAllah...

[motheroftwo]

The person who is teaching Quran must know tajweed and he must know his makhaarij huroof and sifaat huroof well.

[AbdullahbinAbdullah]

The person who is teaching Quran must know tajweed and he must know his makhaarij huroof and sifaat huroof well.

Mashallah, thats a good point.

However, the next question is who 'knows' them?

Person A: Mr. Joe Hajji has studied Tajweed on his own by listening to the great Qari's on his Halal iPod and by reading many books on Tajweed.

Person B: Mr Humble Lee has been studying Tajweed for the past year with a Quranic Teacher who has been authorized to teach Tajweed. Mr. Lee has not received his Ijaza yet but his teacher has allowed him to teach beginners and told him that he is at a good level.

Person C: Ms. Maryam G has studied tajweed for over 5 years and has many Ijazas.

Person D: Mrs. Mukhtar B. Khan has studied Tajweed for many years with various "aunties". None of them has studied from any authorized person but they claim to know Tajweed really well. The aunties have encouraged her to start her all class as she is the "best student ever".

Person E: Hafiz Ali Quick has memorized the Quran. He doesn't know whether his teachers had Ijaza's in Tajweed. He never really studied many books in Tajweed but he is certain that he must know it since he has memorized the Quran.


Which of these people actually knows enough to teach Tajweed?

Wallahu Ta'ala A'lam wa huwa hasbuna wa ni3mal-wakeel.

[Sulaiman84]

:salam:

Mr. Humble Lee and Ms. Maryam G. For the rest there's a big chance they may not know it properly.

[Salikah Muslimah]

I have experienced with my students how difficult it is to instill tajweed after they have already recited/memorised without tajweed. It is very important that any seeker of the Qur'an starts with tajweed and then moves forward inshaa Allah, in my opinion. There are a lot of teachers who, sadly, don't know tajweed and this in turn leads to a load of students who consequently don't know tajweed and thus one can only feel the lack in preservation of the pure Qur'an. Sometimes, I wonder at how almost all Indian subs (I have come across) have been taught without tajweed and now some in their almost old age are trying painfully to rectify those mistakes. The new generation needs to have suitable teachers and inshaa Allah, with Allah's will, a whole nation may soon change their attitude to tajweed...

[ahmedkhan00]

So do we really have to MASTER tajweed before we start Hifz? Or is knowing basic tajweed rules enough? Personally, I know almost all the basic tajweed rules like Ikhfa, Ghunna, Idghaam, Qalqla etc. My makharij are also correct. The rules of Madd I know but I need to practice as I'm not very good with it. And generally my recitation of the Quran is very slow when I'm applying all these rules. Can I start Hifz or do I need to absolutely master these rules and be able to recite the Quran fluently while applying tajweed rules before I can start Hifz?

[meelash]

So do we really have to MASTER tajweed before we start Hifz? Or is knowing basic tajweed rules enough? Personally, I know almost all the basic tajweed rules like Ikhfa, Ghunna, Idghaam, Qalqla etc. My makharij are also correct. The rules of Madd I know but I need to practice as I'm not very good with it. And generally my recitation of the Quran is very slow when I'm applying all these rules. Can I start Hifz or do I need to absolutely master these rules and be able to recite the Quran fluently while applying tajweed rules before I can start Hifz?

السلام عليكم,

The two things are not mutually exclusive, right? You don't have to do one or the other. Practice your tajweed by memorizing. If you read very slow when applying all the rules, then read very slowly the bit you are memorizing and gradually increase your speed until you can apply them fast, and by that time, you probably will have memorized that section as well.

If you're memorizing something without applying tajweed- then you're not really memorizing anything at all. You're just wasting your time. So going slowly, if that's necessary in the beginning, is better than doing nothing at all.

[Al-Faruqi]

So do we really have to MASTER tajweed before we start Hifz? Or is knowing basic tajweed rules enough? Personally, I know almost all the basic tajweed rules like Ikhfa, Ghunna, Idghaam, Qalqla etc. My makharij are also correct. The rules of Madd I know but I need to practice as I'm not very good with it. And generally my recitation of the Quran is very slow when I'm applying all these rules. Can I start Hifz or do I need to absolutely master these rules and be able to recite the Quran fluently while applying tajweed rules before I can start Hifz?

:salam:

First learn all the tajwīd rules and train to apply them until you are able to read the Qurʾān fluently while respecting the the rules of tajwīd. Once you have reached that state you can then proceed to memorizing the book of Allāh, inshā Allāh.

During the Euro-Sunni Scholars Scribe (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?65557-Euro-Sunni-presents-Scholars-Scribe-Intense-and-dedicated-Tajweed-Fiqh-practical) course the participants learned all the rules of tajwīd within two weeks. Everyday two hours were dedicated to learning the tajwīd rules and practice with two teachers who were also ḥuffāẓ. The participants of the course had only basic knowledge of how to read Qurʾān and most of them did not know tajwīd.

In view of this I am sure that you should be able to get proficient with tajwīd in a short amount of time if you are dedicated and have access to a teacher.

:ws:

[Hafiz Gee]

Salam,

I'll just say that it is essential to know how to pronounce the letters (a'in, thal etc.) properly before starting memorization. the other rules like iqlaab, ikhfa, could probably even be implemented while memorizing without experiencing too much difficulty. but if the letters are not pronounced properly and the quran is memorized in such a fashion, then all that has been memorized previously will have to be "re-memorized" - a somewhat daunting and depressing task (i.e. thal will have to be distinguished from zaal, and so on) - when the memorizer learns that their recitation is full of errors. I myself had to "re-memorize" the 30th juzz because i had initially memorized it with improper pronunciation.

to sum it up:
focus on pronunciation of the letters before starting, other rules like madd, ikhfa, iqlaab, are essential but can be learned in the early stages of your memorization (as i did), tho learning them all before hand would be preferable as stated above.

Also i totally agree with listening to a tape/mp3 of your "sabak" (whatever you memorize that day), as it will really boost your madd and tajweed skills.

[meelash]

Salaam sister I am looking for a female quran tutor with tajweed to teach my daughter at home. How much do you cahrge. Are you able to come home and teach? Mrs Sheikh

السلام عليكم,

This is not the place to seek for that. You don't know who any of the people online are. Please go to your local masjid.