View Full Version : Takfeer on the ulema-e-deoband
20-07-2004, 02:53 PM
"certain elements" continue to propogate thier slander against the ulema. One of the things they say is that thier fatawa were endorsed by over 300 of the ulema of Hijaz (Makkah and Madinah). However, I have read that there was also a number of those ulema who reversed their fatwas once the truth was apparent to them, and also that many other Sunni ulema from the hijaz supported the position of the deobandi scholars. Can someone provide me please with the names of both sets of scholars. I ask because a lot of brothers are confused about this and people who claim to be of the Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaat, and claim to love RasoolAllah (saw) are saying that "It is the sunni position that one should not doubt the kufr of these deobandi ulema as to save thier own iman".
20-07-2004, 03:27 PM
This site has some info on the scholars of hejaz who supported the ulema of deoband and declared them ahle-sunnah wal jamah , http://ahnaaf.tripod.com/ , after the accusation of kufr from the brelwis :astagh:.
20-07-2004, 05:33 PM
Have you guys read the rubbish on *********?
20-07-2004, 05:46 PM
Have you guys read the rubbish on *********?
Yep its nothing but rubbish. Their whole site (well most of it) is dedicated to refutations and slandering, I was wondering don't these salafi's have anything better to do.....probably not. maybe they should refute themselves first.
Who can in their right mind deny the great service in islam the jamaat (tabligh) has done and is doing for this ummah?
20-07-2004, 06:24 PM
I wonder why none of the established sunni sites have refuted ahya's untenable positions regarding ilhaam, karamaat , tassawuf and tawassul etc. Just checking up the quotes will show that these people don't even know urdu.
I don't understand why the sunni ulama have written whole books defending hanafi fiqh positions against the attacks of the ghayr muqallideen. If you manage to convice the ghayr Muqallideen of the validity of folding hands below the waist, what of that? The ghayr Muqallideen will remain mulhideen for ascribing shirk to the one who holds kashf ul quboor to be possible, for declaring tawassul to be "shirk al-Akbar" for denying the life of Ambiyaa alyhim us Salaam in the quboor. Similarly the new tendency to engage with them in discussions about Allah Ta'ala's sifaat. Most people cannot understand that stuff. Meanwhile the ghayr muqallideen have built their whole dawah upon denying and making fun of Karaamaat ul Awliyaa.
20-07-2004, 06:37 PM
Do you know what, I came across a quote of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab on tawassul where he seemed to think it was makruh - funny how his followers are quick to label it Shirk akbar!
Here is the quote from Sayyid Muhammad bin 'Alawi al-Maliki's excellent book "Mafahim Yajib An Tusahhah (Notions that Must be Corrected)", pg. 141:
Shaykh Muhammad bin 'Abd al-Wahhab said: "Sulayman bin Sahim has fabricated on me statements which I never said, nor have they ever came to my mind. and from amongst it: that I do takfir of those who perform Tawassul by the righteous, and that I do takfir of [al-Imam] al-Busayri because he said: "O most gracious of the creation", and that I burn Dala'il al-Khayrat. "And my reply to this issue: Glory be to Allah! This is awful slander!"
Reference: "Rasa'il al-Shaykh Muhammad bin 'Abd al-Wahhab", the eleventh epistle, pg. 64.
On the preceding page, he expresses his opinion on Tawassul by saying:
"The correct position according to us is the statement of the majority, that is it is makruh. Therefore, we do not detest those who perform it, and there is no detestation with regards to the issues of ijtihad.
However, we do detest those who invoke the created objects in a much more serious manner than he who calls upon Allah but really intends by that the grave [of a righteous person], praying near the shrine of Shaykh 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani or his likes and requests therein protection from sorrow and assistance in ones yearnings and the giving of sustenances.
So where is [the seriousness of] this act in comparison to he who calls upon Allah, bearing their religion to Him in sincerity, not calling upon anyone save Allah, but he says in his Du'a: I ask you by your Prophet or by the Messengers or by your righteous slaves, or he goes to a known grave [of a saint] and prays therein, but does not call upon anyone save Allah, bearing their religion to Him in sincerity..."
Reference: Fatawa al-Shaykh Muhammad bin 'Abd al-Wahhab, the third section pg. 68, printed by The University of Muhammad bin Sa'ud during Shaykh Muhammad bin 'Abd al-Wahhab week).
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