13th Century: Fall & Rise of Muslims

[True Life]

:salam:

As probably all know in the 13th century the barbaric Mongols/Tartars tried to erase Islam and Muslims from the surface of this earth. But aproximately forty years after the brutal conquering of Baghdad they all became Muslims. So, I have a few questions about the validity of things I heard concerning this era.


The leader (I don't know if it was Chengiz Khan or his grandson Halagu) swore, that he wouldn't stop until the blood of Muslims would reach the knees of his horses. And when the slaughtering went on the Muslims begged him to dig a hole, fill it with dead bodies of Muslims and ride his horse into it, so his oath may be fulfilled and he could stop the rampage.
The Muslims (of Baghdad) were living in such a disgraceful state and awe, that a Tatarian women could tell a bunch of male Muslims to wait, so she can get a sword from home and cut off their heads. And they actually would wait.
It became a bad sign to see the face of a Muslim at the morning, it was supposed to mean that the whole day would mess up. Once a Tartar was on his way to hunt and a Muslim faced him, he got angry and asked him: "Who's better: My hunting dog or you?" He replied: "If I die on Iman I'm better than your dog. If I don't die on Iman your dog is better than me."
What caused the fall and disgrace of Muslims? In which kind of evil had they indulged that Allah Ta'ala put such a test on them?
What exactly made the Tartars/Mongols to come into the folds of Islam? I've heard many different narrations about it.


I've heard these things from quite reliable people, but I can not find it anywhere to become 100% sure. Maybe someone can as well post what authentic books on Islamic history like "Saviours of the Islamic Spirit" by Maulana Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi or "Al-Bidayah wa an-Nihaya" by Hafiz Ibn Kathir has to say about this era in general, especially about the means for the fall of Muslims of that era and the rise of them again.

:jazak:

Related Links:
The Story of Baghdad (http://www.albalagh.net/food_for_thought/baghdad.shtml) - by Khalid Baig
Timeline of 13th century Muslim history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_13th_century_Muslim_history) - by uncle Wikipedia
When Islam Almost Vanished (http://web.youngmuslims.ca/articles.html?aid=94) - by Jawad Jafry

I know these links give answers to my questions to some extent, but I want to know the real story.

[bugmenot]

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What exactly made the Tartars/Mongols to come into the folds of Islam? I've heard many different narrations about it.

As for this point the first to convert to Islam was Berke or Baraka Khan (see this for example (http://www.al-inaam.com/library/tabligh-mongols.htm)) and it was partially because of him that Mongols couldn't conquer Egypt. From this point Islam spread amongst them with interactions between people,etc.

[True Life]

:salam:

:jazak:

Anyone with more info?

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I got your reply in Urdu Bayan mp3 format
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[True Life]

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:jazak:


I got your reply in Urdu Bayan mp3 format
if you please i CAN UPLOAD IT FOR YOUPlease do it, I would like to listen to it.

[as-Salik]

salaam,

Mufti AR ibn Yusuf Mangera (db) covers all the details in on one of the tracks of "Saviors of Islamic Spirit", sold on al-Rashad.com. As you may know, the CD set is based upon his Ustadh's book Saviors of Islamic Spirit [Shaykh Abul Hasan 'Ali an-Nadwi (ra)]

In it, he states the narration of what you mentioned in (3) with the name of the actual Muslim who made that statement to the governor who owned the piece of land upon which this pious Muslim accidentally wandered upon and was arrested. It was this interaction which led to his conversion, and subsequently to other conversions amongst the Mongol leaders. Mufti sahaab mentions both these persons by name.

For (4), Mufti AR ibn Yusuf describes the spiritual degradation of the Muslims in great detail. He states in his CD that the Muslims of an area in Egypt were going through some food shortages, but had degraded to such an extent that they resorted to cannibalism.

For (2), the info on the CD relates that the Mongols were seen as invisible. And this was not an exaggeration, as the Muslim across the empire really thought there was absolutely no way to defeat the Mongols. When they sacked Herat in Afghanistan (prior to the sacking of Baghdad), only 17 people came out of the rubble of that city (and Herat at the time was a very large, bustling city). The Muslims were absolutely terrified and subservient to the Mongols. In this context the incident of a female Mongol warrior ordering some Muslims to wait for her to bring her sword is mentioned. As far as I remember, Mufti AR ibn Yusuf says that when one of the men finally realized that the warrior was a woman, he mustered up some courage to challenge her.


These are the things which I remember from the track on the Mongols of the CD set.

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[mama]

:salam:

Brilliant talk, I think it was the victory of islam which is at masud.co.uk by abdul hakim murad.

Been a long time since I heard it, just checked the link it's down.

This talk had lots of info. If anybody has it let me know.
:ws:

[Ahmed]

:salam:

:jazak:

Anyone with more info?

on my blog:)

[True Life]

:ws:
Mufti AR ibn Yusuf Mangera (db) covers all the details in on one of the tracks of "Saviors of Islamic Spirit", sold on al-Rashad.com. As you may know, the CD set is based upon his Ustadh's book Saviors of Islamic Spirit [Shaykh Abul Hasan 'Ali an-Nadwi (ra)]

In it, he states the narration of what you mentioned in (3) with the name of the actual Muslim who made that statement to the governor who owned the piece of land upon which this pious Muslim accidentally wandered upon and was arrested. It was this interaction which led to his conversion, and subsequently to other conversions amongst the Mongol leaders. Mufti sahaab mentions both these persons by name.

For (4), Mufti AR ibn Yusuf describes the spiritual degradation of the Muslims in great detail. He states in his CD that the Muslims of an area in Egypt were going through some food shortages, but had degraded to such an extent that they resorted to cannibalism.

For (2), the info on the CD relates that the Mongols were seen as invisible. And this was not an exaggeration, as the Muslim across the empire really thought there was absolutely no way to defeat the Mongols. When they sacked Herat in Afghanistan (prior to the sacking of Baghdad), only 17 people came out of the rubble of that city (and Herat at the time was a very large, bustling city). The Muslims were absolutely terrified and subservient to the Mongols. In this context the incident of a female Mongol warrior ordering some Muslims to wait for her to bring her sword is mentioned. As far as I remember, Mufti AR ibn Yusuf says that when one of the men finally realized that the warrior was a woman, he mustered up some courage to challenge her.


These are the things which I remember from the track on the Mongols of the CD set.:jazak: for all the information! I gues I'll have to get the CD or book...

@ bro. Ahmed: Where? lol