Need Sunni posters on Usenet group soc.religion.islam

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

for those who are unfamiliar with the concept, there is a thing called "Usenet" which is basically the same as a message board, but one which you can access through Outlook Express and such programs. Anyway, there is a moderated muslim group "soc.religion.islam" in which many newcomers to the deen ask questions, and in which many people who dont know much about islam (whether they be muslim or non-muslim) ask about the deen. The problem is that the majority of posters are not sunnis, and one of the most vocal posters is an enemy of the Ahle Sunnah, who rejects the hadith and criticises the sahabah and the awliyah. The problem is that these people being the most vocal, are giving the image that they represent what true islam is - and so we need to combat it. So I urge everyone here, to have a look and keep an eye on the group, and do what you can to promote the correct beliefs.

I give you a couple of examples of some of the latest postings on there:

Discussion of Qur'an 4:15-16 (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=92717884.0407200944.3177ed4f%40posting.goo gle.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dsoc.religion.islam%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D% 26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg)

Discussion of Qur'an 9:29 (http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=92717884.0407200944.3177ed4f%40posting.goo gle.com&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dsoc.religion.islam%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D% 26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg)

I think the following can sum up it quite well:

> As for the commentary of the verse you quote, I shall point to
> Tafseer ibn katheer:
> http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20980

Yes, one of the worst and most shocking pieces I had ever to read. Is
this guy a muslim? Why then does he allow himself to spread things of
which he has apparently no clue?

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Wasalam

[Mossy]

You're shocked by Tafseer Ibn Kathir? Yeah, he can be a bit ott at times..

[fnaeem]

Assalmu Alaikum,

Lets discuss this a little bit more. The incessant attacks from
non-muslims, shias , qadyanis etc on different things, can leave you with a feeling of being beseiged and exhausted. then there are people like the following

www.***************** ( supposedly ex muslims, blaspheming)

so one should always engage them on one's own turf.
if that is by starting posts, or replying early on to mould the direction
in a positive way. otherwise they come at you from all directions. IMHO

lets discuss this a little bit futher on how to approach and engage.
Then inshallah.

Wasalam
Faisal

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

yeah, we should add *********** to that category aswell.

[Muawiyah]

Oh yes Jawaid Ahmed Ghamdi is our very own zindeeq from Lahore, he claims to accept only mutawaatir ahadeeth, but then he doesn't accept them either. He's currently considered to be the head of the Faraahi-Islaahi Firqah in Pakistan.

[Muawiyah]

Followers of Faraahi-Islaahi-Ghamdi have a a website "understanding-islam" you guys must have seen it.

[Muawiyah]

I would also request that brothers register (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Userlogin) and post on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org). because the articles there are mostly Rafidhi-centric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muawiyah) or or Ghayr Muqallid-centric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh)

[Abu Usama]

Salam,

yes, i really do think that we need to make ourselves more vocal on these forums. I urge every sunni here to register on the forum at *********** and promote the beliefs of the ahle sunnah. That site is unfortunately hell-bent on attacking the great scholars of this ummah, and whats even worse, they claim to be from the ahle sunnah wal jamaat. So i urge everyone to sign up, and i urge the brothers who have posted on there before, such as brother saleel, to rejoin the forum and spread the true beliefs of the ahle sunnah.

Wasalam

[Zaid 'Abdur-Rahman]

Followers of Faraahi-Islaahi-Ghamdi have a a website "understanding-islam" you guys must have seen it.

:bism:
Yea, I've seen it a few times. I've only seen a few articles, but what I have seen so far hasn't been that bad or over the top. In what respect do they cross the line?


Salaam,
Zaid

[Zaid 'Abdur-Rahman]

:bism:
As for soc.religion.islam NG, I've been there for awhile. You have a few people who can safely be considered to be on the "outside" (G. Waleed, a few others), but you also have a large amount of qualified sunnites there (GF Haddad, Altway, and M.S.M Saifullah).

I wouldn't worry. As for the people there who need guidance: most of them simply don't know they are wrong. We must simply show them As-Sirat Al-Mustaqim. It's not like we're at war with them.

Salaam,
Zaid

[Omar HH]

I would also request that brothers register (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Userlogin) and post on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org). because the articles there are mostly Rafidhi-centric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muawiyah) or or Ghayr Muqallid-centric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh)

I did, I have done some

Search for Tafseer, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Ibn Kathir, etc.

Jazakallah wa Khayrun

[Omar HH]

Followers of Faraahi-Islaahi-Ghamdi have a a website "understanding-islam" you guys must have seen it.

Oh so thats what Understading-Islam is. I really didn't have any major problem with it, but then I read an article about how sinful Muslims are doomed to hellfire forever or something like that, and thats when I totally decided to avoid it (I wasn't really using it anyway)

Jazakallah wa Khayrun

[GenN]

Assalm alykum,

the best way of making yourself and Sunni Islam more vocal is NOT by going to these boards and refuting and arguing and discussing. this will only effect your own emaan and get you down sometimes. As a scholar once said to someone that came to aargue with him "i have found my deen, if yuo have lost your go and find it". It will also take up a lot of your time.

Yes discussions can sometime be very benefical, but NOT by going into the shaytans den and then arguing with him in his own home. In his own home he has all the tools there neccassary, all the support from his family (the other devaited people) to weaken you and then destroy you, to make it look as if you are alone, or with a minority that will soon dissapear into the anals of history. In this way he will soon weaken you and destroy you. You need to get the shaytan to come into YOUR den and discuss with him there becaseu at your house you will be in control, you will have the neccassary tools and resources, you will have the support of you family (the other sunni brothers and sisters), you will be in the stornger position and hence able to influence more.

I tell you this from experience. when i came onto online disussion boards about 2 years ago, everywhere i went it was salafi sites, salafi boards, they were big on the net, and there was hardly any sunnis. No sunnipath back then no sunni fourm, no htspub or any of the other resources we have now, and this really effected me for the negative.

So what i suggest the best way of making yourself more voacl online is every brother/sister who has the capability setup your own website propagating sunni islam, some sites can specialise in certain aspects whislt others in other aspects, and some sites can be gerneal whaterver so long as it is ahlul sunnah matrerial, and then of course link to each other, all sites linking to each and inshallah sunni islam will hava big presence on the net and when people come online and see sunni islam dominating, come to your sites for guidance they will Inshalla see the truth.

One may argue that these days even if you do go onto their boards we still ahve thiings like sunniforum to fall back onto for support, i still do not htink it is a good idea, as it will take up time, which could be spent writing articels that can get passed around all over the net and guides 100's instead of refuting a few, and you won't get so worked up, or fell down, your emman inshallah will increase. i belive this is the way, as this way there are almost none negative consqences, whereas if you go to deviant boards some good may come from it but also a lot of bad would come from it. of course on your own sites have articels pointing out the deviane of the deviants.

And it is not you who guide, Allah guides whoso ever he wills.

May Allah guide us all, keep us guided, and let us die upon guidance.

Was salaam.

[Mossy]

I agree with br GenN. However, for those that choose to engage in apologetics/debate, I will post this reminder on debating by Imam al-Ghazali (http://www.abc.se/~m9783/o/deb_e.html).

I would heartily recommend you read and consider it.

[Muawiyah]

can someone please write a nice encylopedia-like article on Muawiyah Radhi Allaahu 'anhu for the Wikipedia