Work of Tablīgh is not the duty of Ulamā alone

[abuhajira]

:salam:

These days some people have started to think that the work of tablīgh is the sole duty of ulamā. If it is the sole duty of ulamā then let these ulamā also keep fast on your behalf, and you may go ahead and live a life free of any religious restriction. This is just like some villagers used to think and perhaps there is still a place where similar thinking may exist. Read the rest of this entry » (http://qafila.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/work-of-tabligh-is-not-the-duty-of-ulama-alone/)

[shatibi]

:ws:

:jazak: for that.

:mash: Maulana Thanwi's malfoozaat are very beneficial in understanding Tabligh.

Maulana Abdurrahman sahib once commented that Maulana Thanwi's malfoozaat are like sweet bread, eat from wherever and it is all sweet.

[hope1]

Assalamu aliakum,
Did Moulana Thanwi live to see tablighi jama'at? If so then what was his opinion?

[shatibi]

Assalamu aliakum,
Did Moulana Thanwi live to see tablighi jama'at? If so then what was his opinion?

:ws:

Maulana :rahim: passed away in the early years of Tabligh. He lived to see perhaps a decade of it, but back then it was not very well known.

I have heard plenty of Maulana Thanwi's sayings on Tabligh, (and they're all positive), but I am unsure of their authenticity, so I refrain from quoting them.

In Mufti Mahmud Hasan Gangohi aur Jama'ati Tabligh by Shaykh ul Hadith Maulana Fazlur Rahman A'zmi sahib, there is a question to Hadhrat Mufti sahib about Maulana Thanwi's opinion of Tabligh. If I remember correctly, he directed the questioner to a specific book, where the opinions of several Akabir were found. i.e. it shows that Maulana Thanwi did not write/say that much about Tabligh Jamat that Mufti sahib would know right off.

However, plenty of Akabir publicly supported Tabligh, and their writings are easily available for all to see.

[abuhajira]

Assalamu aliakum,
Did Moulana Thanwi live to see tablighi jama'at? If so then what was his opinion?

:salam:

Jazak allah for your positive comments. Gives me a boost to keep working.

Maulana Thanvi r.a saw the beginning of the work of Jama'atut Tableegh. Some people have said that he did not like the idea in the beginning, since some people told him that Juhala (laymen) give addresses in it to the masses. However after maulana Zafar r.a explained to him that these juhala are told to stay within the limited topic and speak only about those, then Maulana Thanvi became content with it.

Another statement which is famous from Maulana Thanvi r.a about it is that he would say "Maulana Ilyas has changed the yas (despondency) into Aas (hope)."

Moreover, many of the senior Khulafa have taken part in the work OR have promoted this work at many occassions. Hazrat Sheikh Zakariya r.a has made a detail mention of it in two different sections in his book Jama'at Tableegh par A'tarazaat aur un kay Jawaabaat. See Page 36.

:ws:

[True Life]

:ws:

I'm not sure about the following, but I heard it a few times from a certain brother. Till today I don't really believe this. But anyway, maybe someone heard something similar...

Hadhrat Hakim al-Ummah Ashraf Ali Thanvi [nawwarallahu marqadahu] first had many objections about the work of "Tabligh Jama'at". But when he found out that most of his Muridin in the Khanqah can't pronounce the Kalimah correctly or didn't know the meaning made him realize the dire need and benefits of this effort.

I don't remember correctly how or who supposedly brought the condition of the Muridin to his notice... Maybe it was Jama'ats coming there. Wallahu 'Alam.

[sudoku]

:salam:
...
Maulana Abdurrahman sahib once commented that Maulana Thanwi's malfoozaat are like sweet bread, eat from wherever and it is all sweet.
So true :mash:

Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi (rah)was indeed an amazing personality... Allah truly blessed us laymen that we have with us his guidance and wisdom even years after he has gone... Baheshti Zewar is still the first fiqh book I consult when in need of answers.

Moulana saheb (rah) was indeed a complete person, in ta'leem, tableegh, and tazkiyyah.

[True Life]

:ws:
Moulana saheb (rah) was indeed a complete person, in ta'leem, tableegh, and tazkiyyah.As well Maulana Sa'ad Kandehlvi [damat barkatuhum] always emphasises to regard all of these 3 as efforts of Nabuwwat and not belittle someone engaged in a different one than yourself. May Allah grant us the correct understanding of his Deen.

[abuhajira]

:ws:
Hadhrat Hakim al-Ummah Ashraf Ali Thanvi [nawwarallahu marqadahu] first had many objections about the work of "Tabligh Jama'at". But when he found out that most of his Muridin in the Khanqah can't pronounce the Kalimah correctly or didn't know the meaning made him realize the dire need and benefits of this effort.


:salam:

I have never heard this claim, inshallah I will be working on the piece about clarification from Maulana Thanvi r.a about TJ.. perhaps I will look into it. One of the primary goals of Maulana Thanvi r.a in all his bayans and kutub is to teach people again and again.. It seems so far fetched that this would be the case.

:ws:

[Nu'ayman ibn Amr]

:salam:

:jazak:

Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim: himself stressed the importance of Hakim al-Ummat's :rahim: 'ulum.

Interestingly, there is an article in Maqalat-e-'Uthmani in which it is mentioned that 'Allamah Zafar Ahmad 'Uthmani :rahim: devised syllabi of ta'lim and dhikr for the tablighi jama'at upon the instruction of Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim:

These included the writings, lectures and even the tafsir of Hakim al-Ummat :rahim: . Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim: expressed his pleasure at the syllabi. However, they were never popularised for some reason.

[shatibi]

:salam:

:jazak:

Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim: himself stressed the importance of Hakim al-Ummat's :rahim: 'ulum.

Interestingly, there is an article in Maqalat-e-'Uthmani in which it is mentioned that 'Allamah Zafar Ahmad 'Uthmani :rahim: devised syllabi of ta'lim and dhikr for the tablighi jama'at upon the instruction of Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim:

These included the writings, lectures and even the tafsir of Hakim al-Ummat :rahim: . Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim: expressed his pleasure at the syllabi. However, they were never popularised for some reason.

:ws:

Was this syllabus similar to Maulana Thanwi's "condensed curriculum"?

[Nu'ayman ibn Amr]

:ws:

Was this syllabus similar to Maulana Thanwi's "condensed curriculum"?

:salam:

I have no idea. The compiler of Maqalat-e-'Uthmani writes that it is not known what books were included in the syllabi.

[ENIGMA]

:salam:

:jazak:

Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim: himself stressed the importance of Hakim al-Ummat's :rahim: 'ulum.

Interestingly, there is an article in Maqalat-e-'Uthmani in which it is mentioned that 'Allamah Zafar Ahmad 'Uthmani :rahim: devised syllabi of ta'lim and dhikr for the tablighi jama'at upon the instruction of Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim:
These included the writings, lectures and even the tafsir of Hakim al-Ummat :rahim: . Hadrat Mawlana Ilyas saheb :rahim: expressed his pleasure at the syllabi. However, they were never popularised for some reason.


can you popularise it for me please. would love to know this syllabus.

obviously if the books are in english,all the better.

[ENIGMA]

:ws:



Hadhrat Hakim al-Ummah Ashraf Ali Thanvi [nawwarallahu marqadahu] first had many objections about the work of "Tabligh Jama'at". But when he found out that most of his Muridin in the Khanqah can't pronounce the Kalimah correctly or didn't know the meaning made him realize the dire need and benefits of this effort.




never heard of that and to be frank,I refuse to believe it.

There is the incident of Maulana Thanwi:rahim: and his barber,but the one above ive never heard and if someone does say it,immidiate reference should be sought.

[ENIGMA]

:ws:

Was this syllabus similar to Maulana Thanwi's "condensed curriculum"?

which books are included in this?

[shatibi]

:salam:

I have no idea. The compiler of Maqalat-e-'Uthmani writes that it is not known what books were included in this curriculum.

:ws:

:jazak:

Is Maqalat-e-'Uthmani a collection of malfoozaat of Maulana Zafar `Uthmani sahib?

[Nu'ayman ibn Amr]

:ws:

:jazak:

Is Maqalat-e-'Uthmani a collection of malfoozaat of Maulana Zafar `Uthmani sahib?

A collection of his writings and lectures etc.

[shatibi]

A collection of his writings and lectures etc.

Do you know who they were collected by, and from where the collection can be obtained? :jazak:

[Nu'ayman ibn Amr]

Do you know who they were collected by, and from where the collection can be obtained? :jazak:

:salam:

It is compiled by Hafiz Muhammad Akbar Shah Bukhari. Published in 2 volumes by Bayt al-'Ulum in Lahore.

[Ali al-Hanafi]

:salam:

I heard something about Hadhrat Mawlana Madani (rahmatullahialayh) being opposed to the Tableeghi Jama'at during its early days. Does anyone know anything about this?

[ENIGMA]

:salam:

I heard something about Hadhrat Mawlana Madani (rahmatullahialayh) being opposed to the Tableeghi Jama'at during its early days. Does anyone know anything about this?

to be honest,alot of the akabirs of that time were very uneasy towards the effort in its very initial stages. The effort was so different to what had been known before that one can understand why they had reservations. I mean think,laymen,going in groups,to different villages for days at a time,it was so different and unheard. But in reality it wasn't.

Theres many stories of how different akabirs supported the effort and what incidences prompted them to change their initial negative views to postive views.

And as time went by,as the effort was explained to them,when some spent time themselves and when they saw the fruits of the effort themselves,Allah gave them understanding.

Just think,if today,a deoband alim came out with a reformist movement which was like nothing done by our elders or others before,how would that person and the effort be viewed?

[Abu_Bilal]

:salam:

I heard something about Hadhrat Mawlana Madani (rahmatullahialayh) being opposed to the Tableeghi Jama'at during its early days. Does anyone know anything about this?

Walikum-us-salam.

No brother that is not true.

Just pick up the book called "Jamaat Tableegh per Aiterazaat aur Unn kay Jawaabat" written by Maulana Zakariyya (RA). It has all the answers.

I was absolutely amazed when i read some speeches of Maulana Madni (RA). Specially the speeches that he delivered at the Tableeghi Ijtemaas. If you read those speeches, you would think of Maulana Madni as a hardcore tableeghi.

If you can't get hold of the book, give me some time, atleast till Eid. InshAllah after that i would try to scan some stuff from the book. That would settle the case of Tableegh once and for all.

[Ali al-Hanafi]

Walikum-us-salam.

No brother that is not true.

Just pick up the book called "Jamaat Tableegh per Aiterazaat aur Unn kay Jawaabat" written by Maulana Zakariyya (RA). It has all the answers.

I was absolutely amazed when i read some speeches of Maulana Madni (RA). Specially the speeches that he delivered at the Tableeghi Ijtemaas. If you read those speeches, you would think of Maulana Madni as a hardcore tableeghi.

If you can't get hold of the book, give me some time, atleast till Eid. InshAllah after that i would try to scan some stuff from the book. That would settle the case of Tableegh once and for all.

:salam:

I was a bit sceptical of it myself since my Hadhrat was a student and mureed of Hadhrat Mawalna Madani (rahmatullahialayh) and fully participated with the Jama'at during his time at Deoband. Had Mawlana Madani (rahmatullahialayh) been opposed to it, my Hadhrat would not have participated. :jazak: for the info.