truly amazing incident - is it true?

[usmanqamar1]

I heard this story...i want to know if its true...please verify

reportedly
"A jew came to Aisha (RA) and asked her about the character of the prophet (SAW)...she said go to ali (RA) because he knows his character better then me...he went to ali and asked him....he replied "describe the dunya to me".....he said "where should i start? the dunya is so big and so much".....ali said the quran says "Qul Mataa ud dunya Qaleel" (Say that the items of the dunya are few) while the quran says "wa innaka la ala khuluqin azheem"(You are of great character)....How can I describe that which the quran calls great when you cant describe that which it calls less?"

How true is this? from where is this?

[usmanqamar1]

anyone?

[Husain]

:ws:

I couldn't find it in hadith books; it is mentioned in Tafsir Razi (vol.32 Pg.21), with slight difference:

يروى : في هذا المعنى أن يهودياً من فصحاء اليهود جاء إلى عمر في أيام خلافته فقال : أخبرني عن أخلاق رسولكم ، فقال عمر : اطلبه من بلال فهو أعلم به مني . ثم إن بلالاً دله على فاطمة ثم فاطمة دلته على علي عليه السلام ، فلما سأل علياً عنه قال : صف لي متاع الدنيا حتى أصف لك أخلاقه ، فقال الرجل : هذا لا يتيسر لي ، فقال علي : عجزت عن وصف متاع الدنيا وقد شهد الله على قلته حيث قال : { قُلْ متاع الدنيا قَلِيلٌ } [ النساء : 77 ] فكيف أصف أخلاق النبي وقد شهد الله تعالى بأنه عظيم حيث قال : { وَإِنَّكَ لعلى خُلُقٍ عَظِيمٍ } [ القلم : 4 ]

The Jew came to Umar :anhu: during his khilafah, who sent him to Bilal :anhu:, who sent him to Fatimah :anha:, who sent him to Ali :anhu:, who then answered him.

[usmanqamar1]

jazakallah mufti sahib...what ayat is that under?

[Husain]

Surah Iqra, ayah أَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِى يَنْهَى عَبْداً إِذَا صَلَّى

[usmanqamar1]

Jazakallahu Khayran Mufti Sahib...Wallahi you have been a great help to me...Ive asked you so many references and Alhamdulillah you never cease to respond...May Allah give you Jannah for your efforts....May I ask where you find this? How did you know it was in there? Do you have some sort of search program containing hadith and quran reference kitabs?

[Husain]

:ws:

Amin to your duas

If you can read and type Arabic, then you could use Maktabah ash-Shamilah, which could be downloaded from here:
http://islamport.com/6688.htm

It allows one to search through thousands of books.

[usmanqamar1]

I downloaded it but the arabic is all ??!!?#&? why's that? how can i solve the problem?

[shatibi]

:ws:

I couldn't find it in hadith books; it is mentioned in Tafsir Razi (vol.32 Pg.21), with slight difference:


:salam:

Mufti sahib, how do we receive narrations (such as this one) that are mentioned in Tafasir but not in the books of Hadith? Will such narrations be quotable? Where does the author of the Tafsir get these narrations from?

:jazak:

[Husain]

I downloaded it but the arabic is all ??!!?#&? why's that? how can i solve the problem?

See this thread (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50257)


:salam:

Mufti sahib, how do we receive narrations (such as this one) that are mentioned in Tafasir but not in the books of Hadith? Will such narrations be quotable? Where does the author of the Tafsir get these narrations from?

:jazak:


:ws:

They cannot be quoted until one has a chain for them whose authenticity has been verified. These narrations could be from anywhere, esp. as tafsir works are full of very weak and fabricated narrations.